Real Estate September 14, 2012 12:45 PM

Future of 5-7 Genesee Street in Doubt

Future of 5-7 Genesee Street in Doubt

The northern end of the 500 block of Main Street, one of the few intact 19th Century blocks in the city, could be losing a building.  Word on the street is that the Texas Red Hots property, two connected buildings at 5-7 Genesee Street, could be demolished due to structural issues.  That set off a debate amongst property owners, politicians and others with an interest in the block on whether that is a good idea and what should become of the site if the building is removed.

In May, Ellicott District Council Member Darius G. Pridgen requested that the Department of Permits & Inspections more aggressively enforce City building codes at the Texas Red Hots building, the adjacent property at 9 Genesee Street, and the Rose Nails building around the corner at 535 Main Street. 

The 9 Genesee property remains vacant while 535 Main Street was recently purchased by Kevin Helfer and Paul Lamparelli for reuse as commercial and residential space.  Structural issues have been found in the 6,920 sq.ft. Red Hots property.  Not long ago a potential buyer was looking to open a Greek restaurant at the site but has bailed.  The City is said to be considering taking action to demolish the structure. 

A number of options being discussed by block stakeholders include:

• Demolishing the building, building a façade and creating a 'pocket park' behind it

• Demolishing the building to provide additional access to neighboring buildings including 9 Genesee, 510 Washington and 535 Main including outdoor dining for the restaurant planned for the Grevers Florist Building at 537 Main

• Complete demolition and appropriate infill

• Demolition but saving and reusing the façade with a new building constructed behind it

• Using City money to stabilize the building until a capable buyer is found

Redevelopment of the 500 Block has been a goal of City officials and downtown leaders for three decades.  Developers and end-users have been snapping up properties as of late creating an interesting dilemma on the block.  Should the building come down, potentially assisting the redevelopment of four adjacent, vacant properties?  Or should the building be stabilized and saved as investment on the block makes reuse of this building more attractive and viable. 

rooseveltplaza.bmp5-7 Genesee fronts on Roosevelt Plaza across from the Hyatt hotel and M&T Center.  It is located in the 500 Block of Main Street Local Preservation District but is a non-contributing structure. 

Access and visibility will improve as a new road is planned in front of the building providing one lane of east-bound traffic from Main Street to Washington Street along with car parking as part of the Main Street retraffic project, reducing the size of Roosevelt Plaza.

mainandgenesee_1940s.jpg5-7 Genesee has not always been a stucco mess as seen on the left here in a picture from the 1940s

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I'm not too informed on the dos and don'ts of preservation, but why not rebuild the structure and re-use the facade? Seems like a good compromise.

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IF the original facade is recoverable, yes keep it. If not, demolish and build something in its place. There is enough open space in the plaza.

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Keep the facade.

Vote in a city government that will start imposing codes on negligent property owners.

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Oh, is that all?

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I agree with Dagner. If the original facade is intact under that stucco or whatever it is, then keep it (the whole building or just the facade, whichever is feasible). If the existing facade is all there is left to work with, then I would demolish that building and rebuild *in the same footprint*. I.e., shoulder-to-shoulder with the other buildings, and squared right up to the lot line. But I would prefer to not demolish it until an actual redevelopment plan is solidly in place. Depending on how much stabilization would cost, it might make more sense to stabilize it so that a buyer can be found who would not be able to afford the cost of new construction but who could afford to buy this building and house a business there.

As an aside, I'm not sure I'm really keen on sacrificing Roosevelt Plaza just to make a glorified turn lane from Main to Huron. Ever since Genesee was blocked by the Hyatt Atrium, this block of it really serves no purpose. The public space of the plaza is more beneficial to redevelopment (e.g., sidewalk cafes, etc.) than an extra block of car traffic will be.

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Well, if you're going to demolish it, this seems like a better situation than doing it while everyone is sleeping.

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What is the cost of demolition vs what is needed for stabilization or correction of fundamentals of the building?

Is the legal status of who owns the building known and stable or complicated by repo or bankruptcy?

Is there a buyer? Is there a interested developer?

Is there the possibility of a matching where the City will match $1 for every $3 to fix the structural needs?

Will demolition create stress on the the rest of the block?

There are a lot of unanswered questions.

Unfortunately, I think any assistance should be the City fulfilling its $5mln obligation for the Statler, stepping in to get A&MA's and Termini going so that if Cuomo doesn't sign the expanded credit we don't miss the boat on this one. The State covers $5 mln, and it will cost at least $7 mln to demolish if Termini walks. Then give CP his money for the Graystone and Freezer Queen so he doesn't sue like he did with the Statler. The city then has 4 derelict buildings redone.

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I dont get it....This block, buildings and common area seem to be the perfect fit for something amazing...You have the Hyatt across the street, 3 banks with employees and traffic coming from all angles...New residential in the area as well...These buildings should be filled with commercial retail and restuarants with unbelievable green space and pation area in front....It doesnt make sense to me that this is a dead area....Other than the Jackholes that own the buildings, What am I missing?
It amazes me that ISKALO cant find someone for the corner lot at genesee, washing and ??? That building is amazing with great windows, exceptional floor plans....upscale breakfast joint, Whiskey or martini bar and restaurant- Bookstore/coffee shop..........ISKALO normally seems like someone who is willing to work with people on these things.....

I just dont get it, fill me in

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I agree...the building with the W inside the red apple is an incredible space. Personally I'd love to see a small grocery store and deli (a la Elmwood Market). I believe theres small warehouse/storage space within the building too. I know everyone has their urban planning napkin diplomas at the ready when speaking about grocery stores downtown but I think it's an ideal location. There's the lunch crowd and a good number of downtown residents in walking distance.

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I do like the upper scale delie/Grocer idea for this site...tables could like the windows...Look at Larkinville with the sandwhich place...its packed daily and its cool but the menu is overpriced sandwiches...

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I am really looking for some professional insight on this area....I am a person who types in opinions and thats it...I want to know why this corner is being dragged along thru the crap while it looks like to a lay person to be a perfect location..........

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Why don't you lease it and put something in there. Then we will see if this area of downtown is successful or not.

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Whatever is left of their historic facades must be preserved in order to maintain the continuous historic urban fabric that is so unique to this block. A new build can always be carefully hid behind.

No stupid pocket parks and alleys please. The street wall must be maintained.

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I disagree...yes it'd be great if the historical facade was easy (inexpensive) to save. Saying it 'must' be preserved could turn it into something that isn't fiscally responsible. This is a good candidate for a new build. It reminds me of a building on the SE corner of Park ave and 82nd. I think the contrast would make it a unique destination with modern, 19th century and art deco (Urban League building).

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A pocket park here is a ridiculous idea. It will always be a dark crappy space that no one uses and the city needs to save these intact rows of 19th century buildings because after decades of stupidity there are only a handful of them left. Too bad the city allows this demo by neglect nonsense to keep on happening.

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amen. might as well hang a neon sign that says "winos welcome!".

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Isn't everyone just DYING to know what lies under that plaster? Could be like a time capsule....

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i have a depressing hunch that applying that god-awful stucco required hammering off the original facade elements.

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What's going on with the building to the left of this one, The gray building just to the left of Texas Red Hots? Wasn't a big announcement made a long time ago that someone bought it and had a plan to restore it?

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That building is called "The Genesee Block" & it's a gem. Don't know about any plans.

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I found it, the Spa Loft project. My, how time flies!

http://archives.buffalorising.com/story/on_the_market_9_genesee_street

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Level it and build something that actually looks good...

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Insist on a thorough engineering study, remove the dryvit, determine the integrity of the original facade and if possible, restore everything, shades of Genesee/ Gateway. Under no circumstances should this space be occupied by anything other than a building of three or more stories, with storefronts. If all alternatives to restoration are ultimately exhausted and this rare remaining example of a downtown smile is going to lose a couple of teeth, then replace them with durable crowns on solid roots. No gaps.

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The facade could be rebuilt today. There is nothing architecturally irreplaceable. Infact, rebuilding the facade would probably be easier than trying to preserve it.

In this case...it really has more to do with infill that fits the period of the neighboring properties.

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What is that status of the Parisian Style restaurant thats been pending for a while @537.

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This is one time that I am against demolition. We need to maintain a solid street wall at this prime location. The only thing that needs to be done is the romoval of the hidoeus, blank covering on the building's facade and a complete restoration of the original facade. The interior of the existing building can be repaired and brought up to code and targeted for adaptive reuse as apartments on the upper floors and a business at street level.

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