City August 6, 2012 8:04 PM

Infringement Leaves Its Mark

Infringement Leaves Its Mark
You're either going to love it or hate it. During the Infringement Festival one Elmwood property owner offered up his empty building to four graffiti artists in order to attract some interest in the storefront. As I was taking photos of the facade earlier today, Infringer Curt Rotterdam happened to be passing by on his bike. He told me that the property had an interesting history, and that back in the day the Goo Goo Dolls used to practice inside. He also told me that U2 had autographed one of the walls. "I'm thinking that I might like to turn it into an art collective space," Curt told me. "It's the perfect location for something like that. Now that people are noticing it, the storefront is likely to get a tenant... and if it doesn't then I might just do something myself. Basically, I could continue to run Infringement type of activities throughout the year, host gallery showings and let artists use the space."

No matter what happens to the building, one thing is for certain - people are noticing the facade. Personally I think it's a good fit for Allentown [ducks]. Curt tells me that the intention is to have rotating graffiti artists showcase their work on a regular basis. That means that the building will constantly be changing in appearance. Then, when a permanent occupant moves in we will most likely see something different. Unless Curt manages to work something out to secure the space, which would mean that the storefront would have an extremely charismatic appearance that would constantly leave us wondering, "What's next?"

The storefront is located on Elmwood in Allentown, near Virginia.

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^Sides of the building

BRO commentor Bung's first comment on this post gives us an inside look into Buffalo graffiti culture via the following video that was produced as a message to save 5 Pointz in NYC. Check it out:


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Our own little version of 5pointz.

http://5ptz.com/graff/

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Its interesting that the video is actually pro-historic preservation.

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uh oh - mixed messages

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Hmmm... I talked to the building's owner when the first graffiti appeared, he said that it was temporary and that it would be removed once the festival was over...seems like he wasn't telling the truth. It's hardly appropriate in an historic district where building owners have to comply with multiple guidelines for renovations.

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Wrong part of Allentown for that. It is a hideous way of trying to attract a tenant. With nearby improvements like Loco, Cakery, and the renovated space south of Colzumel - this idea/attempt to market space is pathetic.

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I like it. We could use some more well done graffiti in this town. Beside I don't see how it is much different from the brightly colored houses on that block, it will fit in just fine. And since its not a historic building why not have some fun

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Hate it. The property owner should be flogged.

Graffiti is not art. It's vandalism. You want to express yourself? Go on YouTube or buy a blank canvas, you cheap adolescent shit. This kind of permissive attitude makes the vandalism problem worse, and the owner should be cited and dragged into housing court for encouraging such an eyesore.

It is un-*@*#-believable that a responsible property owner gets hauled into city hall for making expensive and attractive, yet "unauthorized" improvements to his "historic" property, but some scumbag with a can of spray paint gets written up and lauded in Buffalo Rising. Allentown is already enough of a dump without BRO or anybody else encouraging this kind of useless garbage.

Shameful.

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"Elmwood property owner offered up his empty building to four graffiti artists in order to attract some interest in the storefront." How is it vandalism if the owner offered up the building? Its a store front not some victorian house built in the 1890's. This Graffiti is art it takes time and talent to create. These are not just some names scribbled on the side of a building. If this doesn't fit your definition of art, you need to change your definition.

If you all hate graffiti so much move to the damn suburbs. This is a city! There will always be graffiti, the sooner you accept that and become less stodgy the better.

replied to Captain Picard
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No, Midnight. I don't have to accept it.

It doesn't matter that the building owner offered this "canvas" to the "artists." It's inappropriate and ugly, and if Carl Paladino or some other big developer owned this place, you'd all be calling for his head and accusing him of "demolition by neglect."

I paid enough property tax last year to send my kid to a public university for three semesters. If I decided to make unauthorized improvements to my house, I'd be cited immediately and made to answer for it. Not once, in six years of owning multiple properties, have I ever received a timely response to a call to police, city hall, the mayor's "resolution line (what a joke, by the way)," or any other city agency. Basically, I've flushed tens of thousands of dollars down the City of Buffalo toilet. And for what? To employ arrogant do-nothing people who won't even help me when I call their offices. It's disgusting, and it's exactly why this city is shrinking and deteriorating in the way it is.

It's insulting and infuriating to see this kind of VANDALISM glorified on a website that supposedly longs for Buffalo's rebirth and renaissance.

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Graffiti is not an art, it is vandalism? Are you serious?
Vandalism problem? Where is this problem? and since when is it an abundance in Buffalo, NY?
Allentown is already a dump? Allentown is blossoming right now and so is the city of Buffalo for that matter.
Sounds to me like you need to find a new place to live...Or stay out of the city...

I cant even believe you would post something so negative, whether you like it or not

replied to Captain Picard
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Most people who own property in Allentown would agree with everything I've said regarding graffiti and other tagging activities.

replied to Dustice4ALL
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This looks disgusting - and should NOT promote this type of activity. Cooincidently I've noticed the same mickey skull-like graphic on other buildings and that person should be identified and ARRESTED as such. I hope the BPD comes in on this and I hope the building owner is written up/charged with code violations. This does not send a positive message to investors or people returning/coming to the city.

I hope it is removed soon. I think the folks at Buffalo RIsing should not be positive about this. TWO THUMBS DOWN

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This looks disgusting - and should NOT promote this type of activity. Coincidentally I've noticed the same mickey skull-like graphic on other buildings and that person should be identified and ARRESTED as such. I hope the BPD comes in on this and I hope the building owner is written up/charged with code violations. This does not send a positive message to investors or people returning/coming to the city.

I hope it is removed soon. I think the folks at Buffalo RIsing should not be positive about this. TWO THUMBS DOWN

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I admit that when I first saw this, I thought that the owner would have a surprise on Monday morning. Turns out he was asked permission by Infringement folks and readily gave it. Why do we assume that all street artists are "scumbags" or have nothing better to do? This is not tagging to mark territory like some poorly-scrawled names in one color for criminal purposes. Believe it or not, this kind of complex work takes talent and dedication. Street art frequently takes the form of imagery, but sometimes it's in words like this. Allentown is a unique place, where unique expressions are generally embraced, and while you may not appreciate the work, does it mean that it's bad or wrong? Finally, I heard that the owner would paint over the imagery soon and that it was, indeed, meant to be a temporary exhibit. Perhaps Curt of Infringement was just musing about what HE would like to see on the outside, were he to own the place. Let's not jump to conclusions before we know the whole story.

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I love it. You're not going to find this kind of vibe in the suburbs. I also love the density this building gives to this block. The sidewalk is close to curb too...Sorry if this is a little jumbled, I just got back from happy hour at Bric Haus

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You are a moron.

This has nothing to do with density, and the suburbs don't have this sort of "vibe" because they arrest and prosecute filthy vandals, rather than celebrate them.

replied to ivan putski jr
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Captain Picard says 'It adds blight and conveys an image of decay' ... HAHA like Buffalo doesn't already convey that image? Now I respect those who are bothered by this art due to the historical aspects of the Allentown community (although this building seems to have zero significance to historical meaning). But isn't Allentown known for its involvement in the arts? Yes I said arts, whether you like it or not 'Street Art' is ART and has its history just like any form of art. If you know anything about art history you'd understand that, and I'm not here to give a lesson in art history. But look at artists like Keith Haring, Jean Michel Basquiat (who also collaborated with Andy Warhol) and now more modern artists like Shepard Fairey and Banksy ... all became well-known and successful for what they started in the streets.
I want to spread awareness to the narrow minded that believe this is not art and has no place. Maybe it doesn't have a place in this city but it is a very significant part of the art world across this country and around the world. Open your eyes people! For those that have such strong feelings about how this is not art, what is it that you know about art? Street art is being taught in art history, street art is on display in art museums and galleries across the world (successfully may I add). Do yourself a favor and crawl out of your little hole, drive yourself to the nearest Barnes and Noble .. go to the ART section and you will find several books on Street Art/ Graffiti.
There is a difference between accepting it as art and liking the art. All art is subjective, you can either love it or hate it. But fact is STREET ART IS ART!

replied to Captain Picard
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Captain Picard says 'It adds blight and conveys an image of decay' ... HAHA like Buffalo doesn't already convey that image? Now I respect those who are bothered by this art due to the historical aspects of the Allentown community (although this building seems to have zero significance to historical meaning). But isn't Allentown known for its involvement in the arts? Yes I said arts, whether you like it or not 'Street Art' is ART and has its history just like any form of art. If you know anything about art history you'd understand that, and I'm not here to give a lesson in art history. But look at artists like Keith Haring, Jean Michel Basquiat (who also collaborated with Andy Warhol) and now more modern artists like Shepard Fairey and Banksy ... all became well-known and successful for what they started in the streets.
I want to spread awareness to the narrow minded that believe this is not art and has no place. Maybe it doesn't have a place in this city but it is a very significant part of the art world across this country and around the world. Open your eyes people! For those that have such strong feelings about how this is not art, what is it that you know about art? Street art is being taught in art history, street art is on display in art museums and galleries across the world (successfully may I add). Do yourself a favor and crawl out of your little hole, drive yourself to the nearest Barnes and Noble .. go to the ART section and you will find several books on Street Art/ Graffiti.
There is a difference between accepting it as art and liking the art. All art is subjective, you can either love it or hate it. But fact is STREET ART IS ART!

replied to Captain Picard
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You are truly an @sshole. There is one scumbag in this thread...ITS name is Captain Picard. Keep up the awful incite

replied to Captain Picard
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Once again, I'm speaking for the majority of property owners in Allentown. They might not say it publicly, but you can be damn sure they'd complain about it in private.

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I beg to differ. Speak up. Sounds to me like you just like to complain and like to complain for your neighbors as well. Maybe it is time to move on and sell to a younger, more diverse, more open minded couple.

replied to Captain Picard
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Right! You wanna talk density?!? This should be the new home of the proposed Urban Bocce Court. If not here, then at Del Denby's beautiful Backyard Oasis (once they dig up and relocate the corpses). Freak power!

replied to ivan putski jr
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I do not think graffiti artists are scumbags. They have a unique talent. But, there is a place for everything. This particular work of art is out of place. Otherwise, it would not have been written about right here on this platform itself.

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It's not art, Scott. People who tag buildings without permission are SCUMBAGS. Most "graffiti" is unauthorized tagging, plain and simple.

The Allentown Association, the KCA and the Preservation Board should be all over this horse @%*#. If they are allowed to embarrass and harass a hardworking and responsible owner for putting in some glass block or building a small fence, they sure as shit should get their panties twisted up over this.

Sorry, but anything else if ridiculous and hypocritical.

replied to Scott E. Krajeski
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This is not art, this is not clever (like the mural that was tastefully just done on Main St.) This is bush-league vandalism, Buffalo-style. I hope they fine the $%$# out of the owner and force him to remove it.

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Whether or not you agree that graffiti is an art, it stands as a fact that if this building is in the Historic District, the owner must obtain a certificate of appropriateness from the Historic Preservation Commission. They should have done so before allowing the painting.

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1994 wants its fad back.

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I have a garage on an alley and it's not uncommon to find graffiti on my garage doors. I actually thought about offering it up to an artist as a canvas... you know, can't beat 'em let them paint on your garage doors.

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Dumb in a whole host of ways. Including the fact this graffiti doesn't come close to rising to the level of street art.

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I know Buffalo Rising seems to have a soft-spot for graffiti, but the double-standard is a little ridiculous.


If this same house was on the East Side and the owner didn't cover up graffiti tags, everyone would say it was a typical absentee slumlord that should be fined. But put the building in Allentown and associate it with the Infringement Festival and suddenly it's art and hip?


It's crap. It's illegal. Paint over it.

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I saw this today and was surprised, taken aback even. I don't think it works, at all. I am open to street art that is special and breathtaking and even maybe a bit thought provoking, something that would have to work in a unique way with the history and the building, and be beautiful. An off the wall idea if it just flowed better...But this does not do it for me. And I know you can't censor an artist's art, but we should honor the community with something that gives proper dues and respect to the people that have to look at it. Doesn't have to be an epic undertaking but just get someone with a vision and a different design palette for this sad building.

Or you know, just clean it up and keep it tasteful and nice to look it, and leave it be, then maybe a tenant would move in, something that could be a great asset to the people around it. The owner should give it a facelift, doesn't have to be too fancy. It's hard for me to tell what this building may have looked like originally, or when it was built really with the front looking so.. I don't know.. undescriptive. It's okay not everything can be historic splendor on Elmwood, though that would be wonderful. We must work with what we have. In any case I hate to see it looking like this. Just my two cents.

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Yikes! This isn't art because it doesn't fit into my narrow description of art and things that are not art make me ANGRY!

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This could work...if Buffalo had a neighborhood akin to Brick Lane in London; where they pride themselves in their graffiti(becoming a side tourist attraction besides the Indian restaurants,hipster bars, markets, and cafes). But Allentown is not it.

To be fair, London also has Banksy and other high class graffiti artists; who makes the graffiti tagged on the building look juvenile in comparison.

For all the graffiti haters here, check out some of Banksy's work. Its ten steps ahead, and has a worthy place in the artsphere. Most of you wont even recognize it as graffiti.

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For every amazing artist, writer, chef, musician you have some huge number of mediocre ones. Its all about developing a robust culture where people can learn from each other and challenge each other to do bigger and better work.

Also, it doesn't really matter if the graffiti on this building looks so-so now because it can be easily covered with something better next week.

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i want to see those supposed u2 autographs. owners have been known to make baseless historical claims for their buildings.

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Me too! I want to see the autographs. That would be cool. Otherwise, I think the graffiti on the building is sort of weak. It's a valid art form, but it's not my cup of tea.

replied to grad94
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evryone thinks they are a "artist" this does look like crap!!

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To me, it looks like tags. Illegible words and names scrawled as big and bold as possible. Art? I dunno. Ugly? Definitely.

Graffiti can be beautiful murals that add an artistic city vibe, or they can look like something you'd find haphazardly scrawled on an overpass. Guess which one this looks like? Maybe this falls into the category of an interesting idea, terribly executed.

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The fact that everyone hates this graffiti shows that Allentown and Elmwood are not real urban communities anymore they're just gentrified neighborhoods filled with yuppies that might as well be located in the suburbs.

Whether or not you think it looks good or it's ugly, graffiti is something that happens in cities and it adds character. It's real, plain and simple, and it's human expression.

If you don't like it then you should move to the artificial and fake suburbs where people don't interact with one another and you live behind a hedgerow.

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This does not add "character." It adds blight and conveys an image of decay.

Just because somebody wants to live in a convenient or historic area doesn't mean that they MUST tolerate the gradual destruction of their surroundings. Do you seriously think that in order for a place to be "real" that it has to be plagued with vandalism, loitering, and other quality-of-life crime?

Give me $250k for my house and you can "appreciate" as much graffiti as you wish.

replied to FadetoBlack
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You're just looking at this the wrong way. It only conveys blight to people who don't understand that it's art.

This type of art has been called graffiti and has been associated with tough neighborhoods and that's the only reason why no one here seems to appreciate it. If this is what traditional art looked like and people would go to art museums to see Picasso's tags everyone would love it.

My major problem here is the fact that everyone who lives in that area claims to love the arts but then complains about something like this.

It shows your true colors. You only care about your property value.

replied to Captain Picard
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Theres a difference between someone offering up his/ her building for the artists to paint and someone just feeling free to mark up someones property, whether public or private without their consent. Yes, graffiti is artistic but it can also be extremely selfish and illegal. This acceptance of more and more as just being part of a city is ridiculous, its a race to the bottom where everyone accepts everything, anything, and becomes numb to it. Should we accept the murder rate in the city as something that just happens too? Its a very fine line between positive urban character and nuisance. Was the graffiti party that took place at the expense of Marcy Casino and the Ivy Bridge in Delware Park in 2011 just something the public should accept as a positive character addition? I liken that to a dog pi$$ing to mark his territory, very animal like. Here we go again with the suburb bashing. Glad we think as a region in WNY. If the burbs took off tomorrow I wonder how the city would be? You can kiss a majority of the regions population good by, the Sabres good by, the Bills good by, many of the public institutions would no longer have a market size to support them. I think at this point the city and burbs are all in this together. The competition is distant states and cities and countries abroad. When will WNY get that?

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It's hard to think like a region when the suburbs have experienced explosive growth the past 60 years at the expense of the city and so many suburbanites would be happy just letting the city rot.

replied to flyguy
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The average person passing by probably won't realize this graffiti was "approved" by the building owner. It screams blight to the passerby.

Also, those Mickey skull things are hideous. The prick hipster/artist wannabe who puts those up should be arrested.

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The owner would do a lot better to fix the property, paint the door, and repair the awful concrete sealing job on the base of the wall. Those things drag the whole look of the building down more than the spray paint and, for the haters, what's the difference between graffiti and murals? If I start tagging with oil paints does that make it art? What's the difference between tagging and utility companies obnoxious and ugly markings all over my city and even gardens and yards? What decorative elements are acceptable and which ones aren't? Billboards are the worst kind of graffiti, they are imposing, ugly and obnoxious. Blue Cross and Fucillo and Clear Channel and Lamar and Outdoor Advertising should be flogged and dragged into court. For that matter street signs, asphalt, and utility poles are all ruining my visual appreciation of the world lets get rid of all of those too! Also, that shirt you wore yesterday was hideous, don't do that ever again.

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I love the fact that people here are taking the attitude that this would be ok if they liked the way the art looked. Also saying that it isn't art. Has no one ever heard of Duchamp and his work Fountain? He made an excellent point with it.

I must say that I'm truly disappointed in Buffalo today because most of the commenters on here who claim to love art and cite it as one the reasons they live in Allentown or The EV are proving to be no more than close-minded yuppies who live where they do because it's trendy.

Way to remind be that Buffalo is a backwater town filled with people just a little bit more sophisticated than Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel from The Simpsons.

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Duchamp 'fountain' ... EXACTLY!!! One of the first things that came to mind when reading the naive comments on how street art is not art. These people have no clue!

replied to FadetoBlack
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THIS IS SO FAKE!

Why don't we hire some Vandals to "stage" a vandalism at a property... I know this is a subculture, and that they think of themselves as artists, but they are not and this is VANDALISM! Grafitti IS VANDALISM. TAGS ARE VANDALISM.

This is indefensible, kind of embarrassing for the building owner and this website quite frankly. Attract tennants...pff. How about scare them off!

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You are saying that its impossible for something to be both Art AND vandalism simultaneously. What is that based on?

I agree that there is something a bit fake about this. How the graffiti is so neatly confined to the brick. Still, its bold for Buffalo. Something more spontaneous like this would be pretty shocking http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmqhqKNovhw or http://www.illdigital.com/550/2009/07/2009_07_22_1101_88.jpg

replied to Arch
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For those of you with so much anger and hate in your hearts, I hope you find some peace because that shit will kill you.

As far as I understand there was specific permission given for this project making it a legal project, and therefore not vandalism. Whether or not you like it or hate it, these are people who have picked up a skill, practice it and are trying to better themselves and the community. I'm sure plenty of people disagree.

How about we start encouraging the young productive creatives who want to work legally and take pride in their work and their community.

And here's the good news if you hate it that much you can buy the building and paint it grey. Just like the rest of this colorless city.

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P.S. I got upset. This is not a colorless city. There are definitely people here trying to make it a more beautiful place to live. We just have to work harder than the people trying to keep it dull.

replied to OGRE
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It is art, I just don't think it is the 'right' art for the building... I believe community should have input. I live right on Elmwood, in fact I'm a student and I don't live in a really expensive house, I live in an apartment. I appreciate art, I practice it, I enjoy the history. I'm familiar with graffiti art, and I do find beauty in it, but like someone said above this isn't the right place for it. This doesn't make sense here. It may however make sense other places. People don't understand it quick enough for it not be considered blight.

Also if everyone on the street is supposed to be held to the same standards, then this debate is moot, because them's the rules... someone would have to reform that process first : )

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Basically, this "event" gives license to those graffiti "artists" to continue with other properties citing "art."

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And the article wasn't clear if it actually is going to be revolving art or not, it sounds like the idea came up after the fact (which isn't really kosher either, but this is a unique circumstance with infringement, so who knows?)then well maybe it would do some good, at least UNTIL someone wants to rent the place. The graffiti art could get painted over with something new and so on and so on, then we go can back in retrospect and ponder. Maybe the whole point of the graffiti art was to make us talk about this 'what is art and what isn't?' well then it did it's job and I would look forward to the next thing.

And I just think a lot of people who are repulsed by people not liking it don't get the importance of community and planning in regards to a healthy neighborhood. People need to feel positive about where they live.

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This goes out to cpt. picard, you crab if it hurts yours eyes don't look. You're the kid that took his football or hockey net home cause you suck at life. Grow up babygirl. Buffalo needs a breath of fresh air. As a gaff artist I will blow that shit out the the water but it's there, stop crying, go home and kick your dog, beat your wife - I don't care. Props to bflorising for acknowledging real art

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Ok, dude.

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'ok dude' ...thats it? whats wrong? did that hit too close to home? you mad?

replied to Captain Picard
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Centimental,

For the record I would *#$%...

replied to centimental
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haha resort to violence ... typical, what are you 12 yrs old

replied to BingBing
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No, I'm just acting like you are.

replied to centimental
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yea well maybe you should read my comments above bing bing (who very well could be captain picard) ... at no point did i stoop to name calling - 'morons' or 'scumbags' for lack of knowledge on the subject. So can you clarify how your immaturity is based off anything I said? And Im waiting for any of you that believe that street art is not art to back that statement. Because I can give you endless facts and examples on how it is art.

replied to BingBing
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There is no serious basis for these claims that graffiti(even mediocre graffiti)is not art. I'm glad you're challenging them on this.

"Street art is being taught in art history, street art is on display in art museums and galleries across the world.."

This is exactly the right point to make. In a city where culture and style can feel like its on a 10 year delay and with a population that continues to shrink, its important to point out these instances where Buffalo is clearly dragging its feet or trying to resist the larger advancing culture.

replied to centimental
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Nothing's wrong. It's just that I'm not going to converse with people like you (and sevenonesicks and Dustice4ALL) who create user names simply to call me an @sshole, when it's obvious you're just pissed off that your brand of art is inappropriate and unsanctioned.

FadetoBlack is the only one on here who disagreed with me in a reasonable fashion, and he/she has commented extensively on other articles. Frankly, he makes coherent arguments that I mostly agree with. You three, not so much.

replied to centimental
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i did not create a username to call you an asshole,i created one to stand up for an art form that is part of my life.I can easily perform any medium of art but choose not too,most of it is boring.Bing bing i like the whole internet thug persona but its played,either one of us can be a 230pound beast or a 100pound geek on here,either way theres no fear in my heart.Cpt picard we have much more to worry about in this city than legal graffiti,im sure two blocks away from your 250k house there is drugs and prostitution.Lets address the real problems befor we cry over spilled milk

replied to Captain Picard
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Well, on your final point we can agree 100%

replied to sevenonesicks
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FadeToBlack has nailed these points

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Dana Saylor ─ re: "This is not tagging to mark territory like some poorly-scrawled names in one color for criminal purposes. Believe it or not, this kind of complex work takes talent and dedication."

I co-sign your comments. They have artistic value. Also, it's intriguing to see the spray-on process.

This type of graffiti seems to be gaining appreciation with a broadening range of people. (Even HGTV has featured VERY expensive homes that sported authentic grafitti commissioned for the owners children's lavish "play rooms" and bedrooms.)

Some opposition opinions are perhaps the result of negative perceptions of the artists rather than a fair examination/weighing of their creative product.

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The person interviewed, Curt, is not the owner, and the article doesn't explain how Curt knows about the property. Apparently, this is an interview of a random 'infringer' who was just passing by. It would have been nice to hear what the owner has to say.

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I'm heading out tonight to tag the tags on this property. Watch for the black streak across it all tonight. My show starts at 2:00am for anyone who is interested in my exhibit.

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now your doing graffiti good job.......tool

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It's called art.

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see you at 2am

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bing bing where you at babygirl im i gonna see tonite.

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You goin to be my little boy carrying my cannons tonguing my penmanship as I add to my black book.

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ill hold your hand babygirl everything will be ok

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bing bing if u dont come put black streaks threw that shit tonite shows your full of shit bring it babygirl ill be there

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I'll be spraying in your mouth, just wait....

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I'm for it. Street art and graffiti are not one in the same, and it just happens this artist's medium delivers paint from an aerosol can. Allentown is such an interesting place, during the day it prides itself on it's historic preservation, after dark it becomes the home to the creative and hip. Ask any twenty something to describe Allentown and you'll probably get a picture that allows a building such as this. That's my interpretation, and I respect any opposing views. But this building is looking for a purpose and the best it can do is becoming a canvas for some street artist. Something fitting about that in a city with the same troubles, no?

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I'm with Cpt. Picard. I own three properties in the city, one in an historic pres. district and every single change to my property has to be within the guidelines, and for good reason. Why is this property owner allowed to do this? Does graffiti meet historic preservation guidelines? If I owned a property next door to this awful sight I would park my butt outside Brown's office until I got a satisfactory answer. I also agree with the fact that Picard speaks for the majority of property owners in Allentown. Property owners want their properties to hold their values or (gasp) increase and graffiti on a storefront won't accomplish that.

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Some disjointed ideas from a man who knows loss,

I find it funny that people living in a "fun and edgy" urban environment are complaining about something fun and edgy.

Newsflash: City living involves a little more excitement. Excitement involves a little danger, adventure, and controversy.

This is what happens when an area of the city has "artists", things like this are why people like Allentown.

I am sorry that you can't cheap out and put in glass block in your overpriced rental apartment.

You can't live your life running draw plays on third down.

Go Bills!

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re: "fun and edgy" and the 'newsflash' that "excitement", spelled "danger, adventure and controversy", was part and parcel of urban living.

Newsflash yourself, Dick: those might be the qualities you seek, but not everyone does.

I'll bet the majority of Allentown property and business owners would prefer the neighborhood to resemble artsy enclaves after the artists get priced out. SoHo now, not thirty years ago. Think urbane, not urban.

There will be those who will lament the (slow motion) gentrification (should it continue it's long trajectory) of Allentown. But I'll bet most homeowners would be good with it. The area is certainly more upscale now than, say, 30 years ago. That's the direction most property owners like, even if a certain number don't.

Elmwood and Allentown neighborhoods offer charming homes, access to downtown, stores and restaurants around the corner, the chance to live an environmentally greener existence than commuting 20 miles. Walkable neighborhoods = attractive places to raise kids. Not everyone wants to move to the burbs to breed. And for them, the 'excitement' of 'danger, adventure and controversy' might make them prefer a wee less 'edge'.

But as to whether this paint job qualifies as 'exciting' . . . beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

To me this building's paint scheme should be a non issue. As long as the paint is in good condition, it's otherwise not the city's business.

Several years ago I went to the preservation board to inquire as to colors I was allowed to paint a building I then owned (southwest corner Allen and Mariner). I was told by the preservation board that they don't regulate colors. A lot of people think they do, but that's beyond their purview. They encouraged historic palettes, but couldn't enforce them. (I went with historic colors.)

I abhor graffiti generally speaking, but I have no problem with someone doing it to their own property. This job might not wow. But it's okay. You can tell what it wants to be. I'd sort of expect more, given that you know it was intentional, but at least you can tell it was on purpose. And who knows? Maybe it will be added to over time. The building certainly doesn't look vandalized. And if the owner sees beauty here, it's his or her property right to display it loud and proud, imo.

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That sleazy storefront should be ripped down, even without the grafitti.

Oxymoron Of The Day: "Grafitti Culture" .

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While I'm not personally a fan of what the artists did with this space, I'm excited to finally see an open wall made for artists. This is simply one style of writing, so to the people that are thinking this solely represents what this wall will look like in the future; relax. I hope to see more artists drawn to this wall, thus increasing the quality/diversity of the work.


Re: people that are up in arms about historic preservation of allentown,

I find all the preservation stuff a little over the top at times. Is Buffalo more in the business of preserving culture or creating it? Just a thought.

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PS - I find the Cellino and Barnes billboard on Allen more offensive than a tag any day. Those guys are gross.

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http://www.facebook.com/daddysgaragebuffalo


http://www.facebook.com/events/320257854730430/


you wanna see real graffiti art? and whats really going on in buffalo. go to this event.

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another vote for it (from a 30 year allentown resident). and why is it so hard for people to understand that it's NOT vandalism if the owner gave the artists permission?

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