Real Estate August 21, 2012 12:15 AM

Developers Drawn to Downtown Hotel Market

Developers Drawn to Downtown Hotel Market

Is there a glut of hotel rooms coming to downtown?  Announcements for new projects seem to be occurring monthly.  In reality, there are eight hotel projects planned in the downtown area totaling 643 (or more) rooms.  Occupancy rates seem to suggest the market is not saturated.  But announcements don't equal new beds as room rates need to match up with development costs.  The cost to develop a new hotel is significant and it will be bankers deciding which projects move forward. 

There are 9,163 hotel rooms in Erie County according to the latest Smith Travel Report; 1,798, or 19.6 percent, are located downtown. 

Erie County has consistently been above the national hotel room occupancy rate average and developers have taken notice of the area's strong performance.

Two hotels are under construction downtown representing 128 rooms.  Earl Ketry and Rocco Termini are converting the Webb Lofts into "Lofts on Pearl," a 32-room boutique hotel located near the Pearl Street Grill.  It is expected to open next month.  Benderson Development's 96-room Courtyard by Marriott at 125 Main Street will open next year.  The two new projects represent a 7 percent increase in the number of downtown hotel rooms.

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Eight projects representing more than 640 rooms are in the planning stage.  Both Ellicott Development and Terry Pegula are proposing hotels for the Webster Block.  Ellicott's would be a limited service 140 room hotel and Pegula's would be a full-service hotel built by Benderson Development with 200 rooms.  A 200 room hotel would be downtown's third largest if built. 

Most of the proposed hotels are in the 90 to 120 room range and limited service (no restaurant and minimal meeting and fitness facilities).  Properties smaller than that are generally boutique hotels.  Mark Croce's Curtiss Building hotel falls into the boutique category.  The hotel component of the AM&A's Department Store redevelopment is also expected to be a boutique property.  A hotel of unknown size is likely to be a part of the Statler Building redevelopment in the future. 

The 640 rooms planned represent a 33 percent increase in the downtown inventory and an 8.4 percent increase in the number of hotel rooms in Erie County.

Supply growth in the area isn't limited to downtown of course.  A number of hotels are planned or underway near the airport, in Williamsville, Amherst, and elsewhere. 

With new hotels entering the market, older properties are updating to maintain their share of business.  Hampton Inn and Hyatt both completed renovations.  The owners of Adam's Mark, downtown's largest, has been planning a rebranding for some time.

How will the new construction impact the market?  That depends on how many of the hotels actually get built and growth in the number of business and leisure visitors.  In other words, I don't know.

The planned additions are targeted and smart.  They aren't large 400, 600 or 1000 room convention center headquarter hotel behemoths.  Downtown Buffalo's newest crop of hotels promise to be urban and unique, helping them stand out in the regional hospitality market.  Let the market decide.

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I don't think it would be complicated to change plans and build apartments if the situation arose in the market.

It's actually smarter to build these smaller hotels because the potential conversion to apartments or office space would be quicker.

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I agree. It happens all the time in other cities. Suites get converted to studio apartments etc.

I think its time to start a discussion of a new convention center.

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New convention center is going to come with a new stadium. :-)

Wonder what the magic number is for convention and visitor center folks to reach a new type of convention customer (the ones that Buffalo is missing out on).

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Very well written article. Let the market decide indeed.

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The beauty of Pegula plan is the ice rinks draw new visitors/groups that will occupy that particular hotel and probably the Marriott for a good amount of nights. In a couple years add the Childrens Museum and you have more visitors to that area. Buffalo is not far off from becoming a legit weekend getaway for 150 mi radius (Cleve, Ontario, Roch, SYR, Ithaca).

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What about the horrid/suburban/dryvit hotel that is to go on Main St., on the current Travelodge (?) site, just north of the medical campus? Haven't heard anything about that in a while....(maybe/hopefully it is dead?!?!)

Also, let's not forget about the boutique hotel planned for the Richardson complex. And, we really don't think the Statler will add some hotel capacity?

I hope the Adam's Mark gets torn down eventually--that could open up a whole new area for smart development.

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They could build a [deleted] factory and it would still be better than the travelodge on Main st.

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Of course if they keep building we won't be above average in occupancy rate. Our market is strong due do the lack of rooms. On the other hand competition is good between hotels, keeps them on their toes.

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I still believe they should add more proposals for the Webster block

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I have a feeling that nothing is going to be done on court street, but hopefully I'm wrong. I'd love to see the city pick Pegula and call Paladino out for all of his other proporties and then have Paladino "wake up" and get to work on them. Can't see that happening either though (the wake up call I mean, not the Webster decision)

On a different note. What's the deal with the Wingate? This is the first I've heard so I looked it up and all I find are articles from 3 years ago. Is that where we are or is something else happening with that?

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According to the Buffalo News Canadian Visitors make up 1.2 million overnight stays at hotels last year.

There is no doubt that the area could use some more hotel rooms with those numbers.

http://www.buffalonews.com/business/article1004742.ece

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One thing I really wish this blog would stop doing is preemptively writing articles about things that might happen. That Hilton Garden Inn article was like six months ago, and there's been zero movement on that project. Same with 50 Court Street -- and you do honestly think Paladino is going to build that project if he doesn't get the Webster Block deal? Hell no. Spiteful man he is.

And Statler/Curtiss? C'mon. Are we really sitting here wondering when Croce is going to move on these projects?

He made a profit on the Statler with the NYE party, but that building still looks like a big steaming pile of crap. And there's a giant crater in the ground next to Curtiss. Give me a break.

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Hamister Group is still moving forward with the Tishman Building. (http://www.buffalonews.com/business/article1014684.ece)

The rest I agree with you on!

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You might not like Croce's progress at Statler, but the lights are on because he was the one that stepped up. It was a distressed property and he capitalized, that is what business people do. It is a huge project and it happened suddenly, give the guy some time to sort things out.

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You're right! As much as I would like to see this moving faster he is the one who took on the project and slowly but surely it is being completed. It doesn't help that the city isn't giving him the money they promised...probably due in part to the strong opposition of it from none other than Carl Paladino. I would love to see Croce filling in some of the store front on niagara square...hopefully soon!

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I also think he is waiting for historic tax credits. Which leads to a question. If someone applies and is approved for the current tax credit, then the new one is (hopefully) passed, can they reapply?

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I agree that we need development. But, in the face of development, we need deadlines and those deadlines need to be adhered to.

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http://www.buffalonews.com/business/article1014684.ece

Sorry not sure why the link didn't work

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Could you give some update on the Statler and how it's Hotel project is coming along. Now that should be restored to a beautiful hotel !

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This is a potential bubble disaster looming, but also a true opportunity for the city to take advantage of.

If the city, CVB, B-N Partnership, and even local businesses and attractions use the info as a selling point, it can help to attract visitors and grow the economy. Even if it 'bubbles' the market and leads to lower rates, that can be an economic incentive to attract thrifty tourists - we certainly can't say there isn't already a wealth of hidden and unknown attractions to market. If it is portrayed as a pro-active response to recent complaints that we lack a decent hospitality infrastructure, that can help turn around attitudes that we are a can't-do city where we are a slow train on the wrong track.

There is definitely something to be said for allowing the market to fill gaps without official intervention. We've seen that succeed with Chippewa, Larkin, BNMC and potentially even Canalside. But city Hall and the tourist bureaus DO have a key role to play in building upon the spontaneous free market successes. Instead of legislating hotel zoning or spending cash to lure hotel chains with tax discounts... get some ambassadors and representatives active to SELL our city to the world to fill those rooms. Attract new businesses to supplement and support this influx.

Sitting on our hands while patiently waiting for success or doom does nothing useful.

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I think fears of a "downtown hotel bubble" are about as serious as the oft-cited fears of a downtown housing bubble. So far, the demand for downtown apartments has still not been fully satisfied, even at the high rents being charged. City hotel occupancy rates are still high enough that new hotels are filling existing demand. And in both cases, there is great potential to shift customers from suburban housing and hotels into the city. How many visitors are stuck in hotels by the airport because downtown hotels consistently book up during large events?

Besides, several of these hotel projects are on the order of 30 rooms, which is insignificant in a region this size. Frankly, I would love to see many more 10-20 room hotels open up all over the city. European cities are full of tiny little hotels and B&Bs scattered throughout residential and commercial streets.

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Any positive and swift development will be viewed by some as foolish and bubble like. The numbers do not support a bubble.

This semi organic progress in Buffalo is great! The Buffalo News had a story about how the owners of the Mansion want to build a new high end hotel. Although I would prefer a mainline brand as it is more recognizable to visitors a locally owned and operated 5 star joint would be just as good and might even show a larger developer the market opportunity.

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I wouldn't be sad to see the Adam's Mark close and be demolished. It's not a "bad" hotel but it doesn't convey first-class accomodations. The hotel can be a bad first impression for businessmen traveling to Buffalo who are used to first-class modern downtown hotels. It's tired and stale, the way may people see Buffalo. It could be replaced by two or three smaller hotels or hopefully someday one blockbuster hotel like a J.W. Marriott or Westin.

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I was going to ask why people blindly defend a person like Croce but the answer seems self-evident. This depressed area is so desperate for someone to "save" us that we are willing to support with full allegiance anyone who promises us redemption...Croce's boutique hotel project at the Curtiss sits empty and has so for almost 2 years after its "groundbreaking". I drive by the Statler weekly and there has been absolutely no signs of construction work being done for the past several months. Yet, with more frequency, we see Croce at press conferences and ribbon cuttings. Heck, his patronage now affords him a seat on the NFTA board. I am dismayed at times by the over abundance of cheer leading that goes on at Buffalo Rising and that it is never tempered by a real examination/critique of the snake oil that our "civic leaders" are selling us.

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I also agree with you. I am trying to keep an open mind and be optomistic. I support the effort that Croce has had on Statler so far and hope that he continues to work on it. You are correct though! He also has a lot of buildings that need work! The Curtiss building (and the brick one next door, which I would love to see developed) are just sitting there. I never knew that the new Dinosaur BBQ building was his. It makes me wonder what other properties he owns and is just sitting on. All of that said, I don't want to ignore the work he has done because as I recall, no one else was stepping up to the plate to do that work.

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Agreed on all - I think and I am not a developer, but the Curtis building renovation to a boutique hotel and whatever else he has in mind is a no brainer .... Location is great , building is amazing and the concept will play off great to the embassy suites and Hyatt .....

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"Let the market decide."

It's a "market" which is manipulated heavily by politicians using taxpayer cash handed to some multimillionaires (developers & hotel owners) and not to some others. In addition to IDA handouts and so-called "tax credits", a big example a few years ago was the NY state legislature giving $5M public cash to Paul Snyder for roughly half of an $11M project on the privately-owned Buffalo Hyatt.

For that upgrade, Obama's infamous quote was half correct - Paul Snyder didn't build that upgrade. Somebody else - the taxpayers - did, although Snyder still owns the result in full. Nice crony capitalism.
(funny how our politicians say taxpayers should have to fund a govt-owned convention center to help fill prvately-owned hotels here, then also say taxpayers have to help fund privately-owned hotels to keep viable the govt-owned convention center they also keep funding)

Other examples include a big chunk of public cash handed to Croce if I recall correctly for the stalled Franklin St boutique hotel, and a few million to him for the Statler - the latter announced conveniently after the auction for it of course.

It's just how it is - most voters don't mind handouts to hotel developers/owners - and even if they ever are bothered by it, there's often only one candidate on the ballot, or even if there's two often they both favor this stuff.

So yes, some type of market does the deciding - a mix of some customer demand factors along with political influence and taxpayer handouts to a few.

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Is there any other kind of capitalism other than crony capitalism?

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"Is there any other kind of capitalism other than crony capitalism?"

That's an interesting question in the same way as asking 'Is there any kind of socialism other than crony socialism'?
Are many (or any?) of these immune from widespread cronyism and related corruption? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_countries

Perhaps human nature will always result in no system being even close to immune from it.

Still, there are matters of degree. In a small scale regarding WNY hotels, I'd say those which aren't handed piles of taxpayer cash the way the Snyder and Croce were, for example, seem at least by comparison a less crony-based capitalism. Those who pay taxes without being granted exemptions from politician-appointed IDA boards also seem less so. Last few paragraphs in this quotes a local hotel owner who claims to be principled against receiving public subsidies.
Other local examples are the countless area restaurants who've never been handed taxpayer cash or special subsidies, compared to say Chef's, Gigi's, the former One Sunset, Pizza Plant, etc., - all of which have.

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Capitalism's bias is toward exerting whatever leverage is available toward achieving personal gain. Maybe that's why Crony Socialism isn't a known phrase. Crony Socialism isn't socialism at all, its just corruption.

We expect businessmen to make use of their friends and family in high places and we expect businessmen to accept free money. I'm not sure if Hart is against public subsides or just against them being offered to his competitors.

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davvid>"Maybe that's why Crony Socialism isn't a known phrase."

Phrases become known or not for many reasons.

The hope-and-change phrase became well known, and we've seen unfortunately new crony capitalism from the same source of that. Solyndra for one infamous example among many. This one for another, Exelon, in yesterday's NYT of all places
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/23/us/politics/ties-to-obama-aided-in-access-for-exelon-corporation.html
"Ties to Obama Aided in Access for Big Utility
By ERIC LIPTON August 22, 2012
WASHINGTON — Early in the Obama administration, a lobbyist for the Illinois-based energy producer Exelon Corporation proudly called it “the president’s utility.” And it was not just because it delivers power to Barack Obama’s Hyde Park neighborhood in Chicago.

Exelon’s top executives were early and frequent supporters of Mr. Obama as he rose from the Illinois State Senate to the White House. John W. Rogers Jr., a friend of the president’s and one of his top fund-raisers, is an Exelon board member. David Axelrod, Mr. Obama’s longtime political strategist, once worked as an Exelon consultant, and Rahm Emanuel, the Chicago mayor and Mr. Obama’s former chief of staff, helped create the company through a corporate merger in 2000 while working as an investment banker.

... White House records show that Exelon executives were able to secure an unusually large number of meetings with top administration officials at key moments in the consideration of environmental regulations that have been drafted in a way that hurt Exelon’s competitors, but curb the high cost of compliance for Exelon and its industry allies. ..."
The whole thing is worth reading.

I don't blame capitalism for that kind of stuff, but rather the politicians directly involved.

If those same people like Obama or David Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel, etc, were socialists instead of so-called progressive Democrats (in other words, if they were a few more notches to the left than they are), would their personal integrity be any less open to corruption? The bigger and more powerful the government, the more widespread its corruption can be. Now, that of course doesn't mean there should be zero government. However, the more it keeps growing and expanding its powers and what things it's subsidizing or regulating, and how much, and in what ways - the more corruption it can cause.

Stepping back from theory and returning to this local example - why in the world should govts of NY state or Erie County be choosing winners and losers among hotels here in the first place for taxpayer cash grants, special tax discounts, "credits", etc? The hotel industry should be fully separate from government, except it should have to pay taxes just like anything else, and obey building codes, labor laws, etc. - all of which should be dealt with by govts equally for all hotel businesses.

davvid>"We expect businessmen to make use of their friends and family in high places and we expect businessmen to accept free money."

I expect all that also of govt bureaucrats and their friends/families/etc., and public employee unions, and … pretty much everybody.

davvid>"I'm not sure if Hart is against public subsides or just against them being offered to his competitors."

I'm confused by your uncertainty about that, unless you're saying he might be lying to that reporter - which of course is always possible for anybody. I can't see into his soul or put him on a polygraph, but if we take him at his word as quoted at that WBFO report I linked, he plainly says he's against them for hotels in general. He says they're wrong, absolutely wrong.

'… Hart Hotels President David Hart says his firm doesn't seek subsidies and government shouldn't offer tax breaks for hotels. "This is a retail business. We go after the same customers. We go after the same employees. We pay the same for our goods and services. When government decides to pick winners and losers by putting together a policy that gives tax breaks for something that is demand and market driven, that's the wrong use of the taxpayers' dollars. It's wrong, it's absolutely wrong," Hart said. …'

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webster block hotel.

If the sabres are really interested in building a practice rink. we have some opportunities for brilliance (though both of the designs are a bit zombie). take some of the visual harmonics of the movie theater complex at dundas square.

replace the advertising with balconies and a romantic use of nature. put an espn zone on the corner. Get labatt to build a micro brewing facility next to the arena. Bring in companies like chiavetta's and salens. and build a balcony street for the people who can't get tickets.


Excitement > shopping harbor.

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Does anyone know what is going on with the Hilton Garden Inn plan? Also the Statler Hotel development needs to speed up. At least Croce could finish the bottom floor on the outside and put in some shops to gain some re. Right now the ground floor on the outside looks terrible. If he fixed that up for now the Hotel would not look as bad. The Statler Hotel if completed right could be sold up every night, but I don't think Croce has enough money to really restore the hotel. I wish someone with more money took on the project and made it into a grand five star hotel.

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Not that I necessarily want any businesses to fail, but I wouldn't mind a few suburban hotels around transit, the airport or nfb to go under and getting more hotels downtown instead. Yes, some people will stay by the airport but in general if we got more brand name hotels dt I'm sure that people will stay there instead. I know that when I travel I usually prefer to stay in a chain hotel over a boutique since you never really know what you're getting in a boutique hotel. I'd bet that a lot of people are the same way and are often times loyal to staying only at one hotel. Plus, after reading this article I was thinking about the chatter of toronto hosting the olympics and buffalo possibly getting to host some activities. Without a lot more hotels built, we could never really host any events that large. On the flip side, if the statler doesn't get a hotel soon, there is a chance that they might miss out on their opporunity to grab a 4 or 5 star hotel since someone else might beat them to it. A Westin would be a perfect fit for the statler. They should model the set up after lafayette and add in condos into the mix with lofts, hotel and retail.

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I completely agree with everything that you just said. More large chain hotels such as a Hilton or Westin would be perfect in a downtown area that is developing. The Statler is the key hotel and I could see a Westin or a Marriot hotel chain take on the hotel and make it an elite five star hotel. In addition in order to hold any big events such as The Olympics or any big conferences not only do we need a larger convention center, but also a lot more hotels in the downtown area.

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What is happening to The Hilton Garden Inn plan?

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It's still green lighted...it just takes time.

http://www.buffalonews.com/business/article1014684.ece

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It is good to see things are still moving along.

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The title should read, "12 hotels downtown, most of them suck" HEYOOOOOOOO!

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