City August 10, 2012 4:36 PM

Complete Trees

Complete Trees
Even though I don't recall trees being in front of the Henry Smith Building at 13 Wadsworth Street, I can't imagine that there were not tree beds there at some point. Much of the sidewalk in front of the building was just replaced, which left an incredible opportunity to plant trees along the street. 

If we are ever to be the City of Trees again, then we should implement a Complete Trees program, similar to the Complete Streets initiative (or at least the way the initiative is intended to work). I would think that the residents living in the Henry Smith Building, many of whom are refugees, would have liked to see some tree beds filled with trees outside of their building, especially considering that there is no shade at all. 

Every chance we get, we should be looking at restoring the lost trees and the tree beds in this city. This is such an important quality of life enhancement. Not only is it a 'green' goal, it is also an aesthetic consideration. This circa 1890 building deserves to be located on a tree-lined street, and Allentown residents should not have to be satisfied with a long stretch of sidewalk that looks cold and barren and devoid of life in the middle of the summer. 

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Damn shame

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Why can't ReTreeWNY do this?

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Re-Tree can't plant a tree on top of concrete...

replied to Greg
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How do you plant on top of concrete though? I'm guessing you need above ground planters boxes. But at the same time, can you plant a tree like that and expect it to safely grow almost 30ft?

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What the hell are you talking about?

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How do you plant on top of places covered by concrete? You're either going to have to tear out the concrete or install a planters box for a tree.

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Ideally you would cut out and remove the concrete, which is probably only 4-6" thick. Then you'd plant the tree in the dirt under the sidewalk.

Before this new concrete was poured it would have been easy to form tree pits (or a tree lawn) and simply pour the concrete around them. Saw cutting the concrete now and removing a square to create a tree pit isn't hard, but it would cost someone money.

replied to Greg
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Thank you!

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I was a Spot Coffee on Hertel this morning thinking the same thing.

Like many of the city's streets, Hertel suffers from too much asphalt and concrete. It wasn't' that long ago that Hertel was redone, but it still doesn't have many trees.

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I think when the trees were installed on Hertel they forgot to do something / didn't do something properly so the trees will either die or never grow like they should.

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Yeah, that's kind of a bad job. A little landscaping would go a long way. However, is there any possibility that they didn't plant trees along the sidewalk because they'd be too close to the building? Or once the trees grow larger that roots would damage the building, being so close?

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Agree 100%. Trees also would add so much more to the tansit mall than cars will...

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Disagree.

Just got back from Ithaca. Their pedestrian mall is very depressing.

They actually have put in statues of people, to try to liven things up.

Ithaca has a very vibrant downtown, and a much shorter mall than Buffalo's. But I predict the pedestrian mall there won't survive another 10 years.

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they are planning to redo the pedestrian mall in ithaca. Part of the problem there is the obstruction of storefronts by the many objects/ playgrounds/ plant massings/ picnic shelters built on the mall. the redesign will create a much more simplified layout but will not restore vehicular traffic. There is a conceptual design out there but i don't know if they have acquired the funding yet to move forward.

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A Complete Trees program would undoubtedly be ignored just like the Complete Streets program is being ignored (or at least every loop-hole would be used to get around actually following it)


So how do we get the city to take tree-planting and maintenance seriously?


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Each neighborhood commercial district should lobby for trees. And make sure they get them.

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Most shopkeepers and business owners would more likely lobby against having more trees. The block signs as they grow, make a mess that the city would never clean up, etc.

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One of the problems at this location is that the wide sidewalk in front of that building is used regularly as a parking lot. People just blithely drive up any old way, including nearly hitting pedestrians who are walking in front of the building, as if it's their fault that they didn't get out of the way. People park right in the middle of that wide sidewalk with vans, so that there really isn't space to walk by on either side, so you're forced into the street.

I have no idea why there's no enforcement of this problem. One evening there were 2 vehicles parked w/no way through, and someone in a wheelchair had to go into the street to get around. Well, the "corner" where Allen becomes Wadsworth is more like a blind curve where sometimes drivers don't even slow down. So the person in the wheelchair was nearly hit by one of those drivers. I called 911 about the vans, with the plate numbers, and 911 WANTED TO CONNECT ME TO PARKING ENFORCEMENT. I had to tell them in detail about the person who was nearly hit to convince them that there was a public safety issue happening RIGHT THEN that they needed to get into the dispatch queue.

It's also not unusual, especially on weekends, to see that sidewalk used as loading/unloading zones by musicians with gigs at one of the clubs on the Allen/Wadsworth bend.

I have to believe that the good folks of the Allentown Association field a lot of complaints about this situation. Perhaps one of them will weigh in.

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If that's a problem, the best way to solve it is to have an extensive line of trees and boxes with little iron fences around them.

replied to RaChaCha
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This is a no brainer.

Who allowed this?

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Until people, officials, etc, see trees in the Urban environment as the INFRASTRUCTURE they are, there is little to change the current disregard of plants in the environment. I have said over and over that plants in the urban realm add significant ecosystem services such as decreasing temperatures, filtering pollutants, storm water management, etc. They are part of the infrastructure of the city and do more work to aid the city than given any credit for. These spaces need to stop being seen as aesthetic enhancements that need weeding and watering, these are living systems that need management. Just as our roads and sewers have management teams, the urban canopy needs a management team that is educated in horticulture and ecosystem services. Trees in front of this building should have been a given and not an option, and the care for them should be a given not a luxury.

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Honest question: Is there anything this administration can say it does well? Utter fail.

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one would think that trees would be the easiest thing any leader in the city of buffalo could champion.

Buffalo is part of the great eastern and midwestern temperate forest. We used to be a temperate rainforest except that the growth of farms, cities and suburbs ended it.

Id say, aside from individual ower/residents planting tree's themselves...we just continue the ReTree Buffalo that is (STILL) replacing trees from the October Storm until every property has a tree in front of it.

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please, enough of the fiction writing.
Buffalo never was a temperate rain forest in recent history, it's to far north. to blame it's demise on cities and suburbs and farms is absurd. this was mentioned the last time you made this claim.

from wiki;
Temperate rain forests in the eastern USA are limited to areas in the southern Appalachian Mountains where orographic precipitation causes weather systems coming from the west and from the Gulf of Mexico to drop more precipitation than in surrounding areas. The largest of these forest blocks are located in western North Carolina,[7] northern Georgia,[8] and far eastern Tennessee,[9] largely in the Pisgah, Nantahala, Chattahoochee National Forests and nearby Gorges State Park.[10] In addition, small areas in the highest elevations of the Great Smoky Mountains also receive substantial rainfall, with Clingmans Dome, for example, collecting about 2000 mm of precipitation per year.[11] Although the highest summits of the Green Mountains of Vermont,[12] the White Mountains of New Hampshire,[13] and Mount Katahdin in Maine[14] receive over 2000 mm of precipitation per year, some of these locations have alpine environments and whether or not temperate rain forests exist in these regions is subject to debate. It is possible for small blocks of temperate rainforest to exist along the slopes of these mountain ranges below the tree line where annual precipitation is sufficient for such forests to thrive.

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you obviously have an adversarial and closed mind.

More than 200 years ago everything east of the Mississippi was forest and uninterrupted forest canopy creates its own water cycle, its own clouds, its own rain, etc. Enough of he history lesson

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Buffalo receives about 40 inches of precipitation per year which is about 20 inches short of the low end of the scale to be considered a temperate RAIN forest.

but why let facts get in the way of your bogus proclamations.

please provide any links/evidence to support your claim that Buffalo was;
a) ever in a temperate RAIN forest
b) that cities, suburbs and farms destroyed said temperate rain forest.
I would be more than happy to read those.

the only history lesson here is your version of revisionist history of something that never happened.

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One resource would be:

Quaternary History of Deciduous Forests of Eastern North America and Europe

Your reacting to our current forest canopy but I am speaking historically...certainly more than 300 years ago

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certainly? if you're so certain then where's the proof?
the link you provided has no mention of Buffalo/WNY ever being in a temperate RAIN forest.

you also provided no evidence that cities, suburbs and farms decimated this theoretical TRF.

what's the common factor of all the TRFs in the eastern US?

they're all in mountainous terrain, the mountains force the air up the slopes where it cools and condenses and drops the precipitation onto the slopes.
the Buffalo area was not situated in mountainous terrain a 1000 years ago nor 100 years ago and it doesn't receive enough rainfall to fit the criteria for a TRF.
So if there never was a TRF in the Buffalo area in recent history (relatively speaking) then there was no TRF for cities and suburbs and farms to destroy as you claimed in your first comment.
if you have links to prove otherwise please post and I'll read them.

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Buffalo needs new/progressive leadership. Period.

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I own 4 St Johns Place which is on the corner of Wadsworth. Dan and Holly my wonderful neighbors and myself planted 9 trees on Wadsworth last fall, several of which have been snapped in 2 by the Drunks from Allen Street on any given night! There were trees planted several times in those openings and the so called educated Hipsters get a cocktail in them and snap they go! while they're dumping so much garbage you wouldn't believe. When asking the Police to patrol the area at night I was told "It was too dangerous to be out at that hour, we have a patrol car on Allen some times!" I have seen it very rarely and I've seen drugs delt right in front of them when they are there. One so called officer even told me "we have 43 police on in the day and 8 at night for this district and I have work for 24 years and I am entitled to work the day shift!" I looked him in the eye and said "NO your not" and that is why we have these vandals running a Muck! When we have Unions dictate what is the time our employees work, we get Anarchy, the police chef in the city is unable to manage his staff he should be gone! Also the lighting on Allen makes a "Jack the Riper Movie Setting" which the businesses seem not to care, as when they close their doors at 5pm off goes the lights, if they even put them up or on at all.

Yes, more new trees should be planted with decretive Iron guards and fencing to keep out the educated Hipsters!

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Unrelated, but living nearby I walk past often... if you go by take notice of the windows: the windows on the upper floors are all covered with security bars; however only a few of the ground floor windows are. Makes sense...

Maybe they were anticipating trees being planted and burglars climbing those trees in 48 years to the upper floors.

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I think those bars on the upper windows are to keep young residents from falling out, not to keep people out.

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Once again a building in a decent Buffalo neighborhood owned by a crummy landlord who wsnts to squeeze as much cash out of the building as possible. Im sure if someone decent owned it they'd take care of the building as well as sidewalk in front.

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How about the Puritan across from Brick Bar. Great location and great architecture but sitting on the edge of craphole. The only thing I've ever heard about it is that it is haunted.

The same could be said for the Antique Man's building (Hosmer) where the top two floors are boarded up, but it has equally as impressive character.

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I know one person who claimed to have seen a ghost in The Puritan. I visited a number of times over a few decades as I knew the former owners: we never saw ghosts. Of course, Allentown is filled with these stories so it's not surprising.

This is a wonderful building and I was sorry to see it in such disrepair recently.

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Was it Paul Mielcarski? That's who is listed on the city property information page. But a quick search turned up that Paul A Mielcarski passed away in 2009. It's an absolute shame that building is sitting empty. And same with 232 next door, Antique Man. I have no idea the condition but one would think the upper floors would be prime for rentals.

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A lot of business owners don't like trees because they obscure signage. So developers looking to lease out storefronts will avoid planting trees if they can. It's really up to the city to make trees a priority and establish canopy zones where all businesses have to "suffer from those horrible, wretched trees". And please, for God's sake, quit with the Maples!

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If you let tree's grow tall enough then they form a canopy and there is no obstruction of view for signs.

Other cities manage to handle this quite nicely, I think its an embarrassment to the poverty and backwardness and lack of leadership in Buffalo that we cant.

If Buffalo cant handle a plan to put trees on a street, then its no wonder the city cant handle bigger issues like filling potholes, plowing, housing inspections.

on the other hand, they seem to be able to create deputy mayors and hire patronage quite easily at the taxpayer expense. I love Buffalo but I hate its corrupt liberal political machine.

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Yesterday coming home (Arlington park)I noticed on tree on the corner of Arlington and Wadsworth torn out and laying on the ground. I don't know if it was vandals or the guys doing the sidewalks but it is ridiculous. The trees cost money, beautify the neighborhood and give a quality of life to the neighborhood. They should be protected and taken care of.

Also, @timatbuffalo, when I walk my dog on the St Johns side I have to scan ahead for needles thrown along the fencing of the apartment parking lot.

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I noticed the same thing. I figure it was the concrete guys. Ironically the tree dug up looked healthier than the ones in the ground further down. I notice the same thing along the Days Park Commons parking lot bushes; along with the bricks that regularly seem to be pulled up from the Wadsworth/Days Park divide.

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I've never seen a needle are you talking the friends of the night people parking?

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I've never seen a needle are you talking the friends of the night people parking?

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No. Along the black iron fence to the parking lot the city should not have sold to Days Park Commons, but that's another story.

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Buffalo will never again have a decent number of street trees, unless its people are EDUCATED to UNDERSTAND that trees are good and beautiful and helpful and need to be NURTURED (watered). The only 2 decent street trees on my block are the ones within reach of my garden hose.

ReTree is a noble effort, but it is largely a failure - I see a 50% death rate of the trees they have planted. Let's not even discuss the ignorance/stupidity/laziness of the business owners who won't give a couple buckets of water each day to the tree which could beautify their stores.

Gosh, just think - maybe if the City of Buffalo showed some kind of interest in its own beauty, we would have trees being planted everywhere they'd thrive. Maybe we'd have trees being pruned (not hacked) and sprayed when needed. Maybe we'd have a place where people want to live, instead of wanting to flee.

NYC's plan: "For the next 10 years, the city will plant 23,000 trees each year along city streets, to reach a goal of having a tree in "every single place where it is possible to plant a street tree." Buffalo's plan: Nothing. Just nothing. Pathetic.

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I don't understand why, other than money, more of those watering bags aren't used or reused as the trees take hold. But then again that is not how Buffalo works. I've gone out a couple of times to plant trees only to see them die. Trees should, at first, only be planted where there is a citizen interested in taking care of it. And along main streets, like Allen St, trees need to be larger to be able to stand up to the idiot drunks of the late night.

Buffalo needs to take pride in and protect the hard work of its volunteers. Utilize this opportunity as well as it utilized the federal money to decimate our tree stock after the October storm in 2006. They looked to take the tree down in front of my house just because there was money to spend. I assume their plan was to take every tree down that MIGHT die in the near future. I put almost 400 of my own money into the tree to save it when I bought my house. After 4 years of trying to get it shaped by the city I started thinning and shaping it myself. As far as I see the city doesn't care about our tree stock unless they get something out of it and quality of life doesn't count. At least not in this neighborhood.

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You are exactly correct: Cooperation from the property owner MUST be gotten, before a street tree is planted. If someone understands that his/her help is needed, to water and protect a little sapling, that tree stands a much better chance of survival.
Some people might think that we are "tree huggers", but those trees make the very air that we breathe.

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Let there be trees!

If not, let there be some color. I'm stretching . . . perhaps the large blocks could be a multi-colored cement "carpet" or given other decorative uplift. (Don't know if that would be prohibited by a City code.)

If preceding are thumbs-down, call the chalk artists for at least a temporary spark.

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maybe a concerted 'adopt-a-tree' program like adopt-a-highway? you get to plant a little sign in the ground for tending to the tree in front of your business?

i know, it should be a no-brainer that shopkeepers would take care of them anyway, but for small business owners, working for yourself often means 70-80 hour weeks, so i'm not inclined to fling around charges of laziness.

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Filling a pail of water each morning & dumping it into a street-tree's pit will not kill the laziest of Buffalo's shop owners.

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the people in that building could care less about the neighborhood- even if you planted 20 trees, I bet not a single resident would come out and water them. That building should be converted into first floor retail and high end apartments on the upper levels. It's a disgrace in its current state.

As for the Puritain and the Antique Man buildings- funny how the Allentown Association will harass homeowners about petty items like glass block basement windows and vinyl windows, but continues to turn a blind eye to this obvious blight.

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"Yesterday coming home (Arlington park)I noticed on tree on the corner of Arlington and Wadsworth torn out and laying on the ground. I don't know if it was vandals or the guys doing the sidewalks but it is ridiculous. "

That was our neighbor's gingko tree you saw. It was struck by a car on Sunday night/Monday morning and either that's where it ended up or it was uprooted and thrown there at some point after. At the same time, someone stole the dogwood tree from our front yard. The next evening we found it planted in the hole left by the gingko. I have no idea why.

It was Dan who rescued the gingko and is keeping it alive. The dogwood is dying in its current spot. Tonight both trees will be replanted in their appropriate spots and properly supported. Hopefully they will recover.

I will add that they guys who did the sidewalks were very courteous and careful with our properties. Unfortunately the residents were given no notice about the sidewalks. The survey was done Sunday afternoon and by Monday afternoon they were pouring concrete. Had there been some notice, the prior plan that had been made with the city forester to put tree wells on that section of Wadsworth might have been communicated to the contractor.

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"Yesterday coming home (Arlington park)I noticed on tree on the corner of Arlington and Wadsworth torn out and laying on the ground. I don't know if it was vandals or the guys doing the sidewalks but it is ridiculous. "

That was our neighbor's gingko tree you saw. It was struck by a car on Sunday night/Monday morning and either that's where it ended up or it was uprooted and thrown there at some point after. At the same time, someone stole the dogwood tree from our front yard. The next evening we found it planted in the hole left by the gingko. I have no idea why.

It was Dan who rescued the gingko and is keeping it alive. The dogwood is dying in its current spot. Tonight both trees will be replanted in their appropriate spots and properly supported. Hopefully they will recover.

I will add that they guys who did the sidewalks were very courteous and careful with our properties. Unfortunately the residents were given no notice about the sidewalks. The survey was done Sunday afternoon and by Monday afternoon they were pouring concrete. Had there been some notice, the prior plan that had been made with the city forester to put tree wells on that section of Wadsworth might have been communicated to the contractor.

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