Thank You, Rich Family!
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Leave a commentI can not argue with any of the writer's points, but . . .
For a home grown company that ranks #161 on Forbes list of America's Largest Private Companies
And the heir, who stumbled into a self worth of almost $2 Billion, then moved to Florida for a life of leisure.
. . . . Triple A baseball? . . Really?
And for those that don't know, the defunct Bass Pro idea was an idea hatched on a fishing trip between owner John L. Morris and Rich, who then installed his choice of Larry Quinn for ECHDC.
I dont fault anyone for retiring and enjoying life.
On the other hand CHENANGO is within his right to point out Rich doesnt have anymore manufacturing jobs here in Buffalo (as I recall) they were outsourced to canada and elsewhere.
One also has to wonder where on the ranking would Rich Products be if he didnt retire? Would they have diversified into more products and bought out more companies?
Could they have spun out companies into other local companies (they do it in Rochester)?
I suppose we have to be greatful they are in Florida and havent lost all concern for Buffalo or that they werent like APPLE and gave up their citizenship for the Bahamas to save their taxes.
But like most of Buffalo's wealthy and powerful, the days of Elsworth Statler going from Bellhop to national Hotel Chain are over. Most of Buffalo's wealth and power sit back and enjoy it rather than use it, grow it, philanthropize with it, etc.
With Buffalo there is always an "I wonder if we only....(fill in blank)"
"Rich doesnt have anymore manufacturing jobs here in Buffalo (as I recall) they were outsourced to canada and elsewhere."
I don't know what exactly you mean by the word 'outsourced', but according to the map on this http://www.rich.com/businesses/us-canada
web page, Rich Products has one manufacturing facility in Canada, and 17 of them in the U.S.
It looks like they have four plants each in Tennessee and California, two each in Georgia and New Jersey, and one each in Connecticut, Texas, Ohio, Illinois, and Minnesota.
If Buffalo and NY state aren't desirable enough for even one of seventeen manufacturing plants in the U.S. across nine of our 57 states… well, I don't know if that can reasonably be blamed mostly on Bob Rich.
Perhaps in some ways it's not him, it's us.
(was about to add a joke blaming Muriel Howard or Goldman Sachs, but can't decide which… maybe both are involved somehow!)
It always amazes me that there are people out there who feel obligated to explain how other people should spend their money, or run their own business...or decide where they should live....these people rationalizing other people's decisions try to come off us liberal, open minded do gooders....but they really just seem whiny and ignorant .... I wish I had a dollar for every "you don't live in the city, you don't matter"...or "go back to the suburbs" vibe read on this site
When someone is continually lauded about the great things they've accomplished "for buffalo" or selflessly given up for the people of a city, then it entirely valid to have a conversation about where they chose to live and how they chose to invest their money. That doesn't mean the person is being vilified... it's ok to balance the praise with the reality that he may have just made private investments without necessarily considering the benefit (or damage) to his hometown.
Any article that praises Rich (like this one) is going to trigger the usual comments about where he retired to, or the Bass Pro fiasco, or where the jobs went. If you're against the criticism then you should be just as against the hyped praise.
It doesn't look to me that Ivan said anything about Bass Pro criticism being out of line or not. I disagreed very much with what Rich favored for corporate welfare to Bass Pro. I don't think there's ever a wrong time to criticize him for that aspect. I think he was 100% wrong on that.
(I'll also think it inconsistent if any of you guys advocate corporate welfare for any other retailer at Canalside after opposing it for Bass Pro, but I won't wander too far off topic...)
CW aside, just the idea of having a Bass Pro store in Buffalo - I've head Rich interviewed about that, and I'm convinced he genuinely thought it would be a good thing for the city and area. People can disagree, or feel Canalside would be a bad place to put it, but I don't think Rich's advocacy of Buffalo to Johnny Morris (or of Bass Pro to Buffalo & NYS) was at all sinister. He really had nothing personal to gain from it, as far as I know. Probably he truly thought it would attract a lot of visitors to here. It seems he was trying to do something good. All things considered it was a failure of course, and in the end even Bass Pro decided it a bad fit.
However, where he chooses to live or in which U.S. states he decided to grow the business, I agree with Ivan that those things simply don't deserve criticism - not for Rich, not for anybody.
There's nothing wrong with deciding to live in Florida, just like there's nothing wrong when anybody moves to Buffalo from somewhere else (which sometimes gets a cheery write-up on BR, which is fine). It's precisely the same thing - somebody moving from one place to another. Shouldn't try to have it both ways.
I'm not a minor league baseball fan, so I don't share Mr. Weekes' enthusiasm and gratitude about that. However, Rich did have a major role in funding the Sabres to keep that franchise alive during years they were financially in huge trouble before Golisano. And I'm pretty sure I've read that Rich made big donations to Buffalo high school sports, so there's that too. Plus of course growing and investing in having the corporate HQ here with 100's of very well paying professional jobs.
All in all, not bad.
I never understand comments like this. This website is called *Buffalo* Rising. 95% of the posts deal with noteworthy items taking place within the city. Of course there will be a bent toward city dwellers and criticism of those who live/spend their money elsewhere. I don't place a value judgment on anyone's decision to live in the suburbs. People have lots of good reasons to do so. I live in the suburbs. But I certainly don't visit this site with the belief that my decision to contribute to the decline of the city will be applauded.
Here's a dollar. Go back to the suburbs.
Link below is from a New York Times article, 1989.
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/30/magazine/rich-makes-his-pitch.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
At the time, we seemed to be in the running for an expansion team, or the Expos. As I recall, Rich was quoted as saying, sell a million tickets to AAA, and I'll do my best to get a major league team.
About the same time, player's salaries jumped, and the idea of Buffalo getting a major league team faded. He sold the million tickets, but didn't try too hard to hold up his end of the bargain.
And while the writer thanks the "Rich Family for reminding me in the most heart-felt, intimate way of how lucky I am to live here" and the soft nights at the baseball park.
He might want to also thank the $22.5 million interest-free state loan, which was supplemented by $5.25 million in Erie County development agency bonds, $5.3 million in city-backed bonds plus $2.9 million in direct city appropriations.
All, so the Bisons can compete against the likes of Lehigh Valley, Pawtucket, Scranton and Gwinnet. 25 years later, we can now ask: "Was it worth it"?
Only somewhat off topic:
What about that different rich family, the Knox family?
Just how rundown and worn out and incredibly expensive to the rest of us is caring for that land in E. Aurora going to ultimately be?
And how long will it take for this comment to finally post?
Nothing like growing up and deciding to finaally kiss that arse huh?
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Well its not just the rich and powerful. Its everyone.
It used to be that there was a social compact. The wealthy and the powerful were supposed to serve and care for those less fortunate. A good person of faith (jew, christian,etc), a good civil service worker because the government was there in service of the public good, companies were in service of the public good, etc. Even the good samaritan had something called the dignity of the common man (or woman).
Somewhere in the 60s we went from being a nation that banded together for common goals (farmers banded together to build barns), citizens banded together for public spaces, etc...to being a disposable society of individuals interested in their own interests.
You can see the worst examples of irresponsible self interested behavior at all incomes, all faiths (including jews), all companies and all areas of government.