City July 5, 2012 11:57 AM

Response to "Creating More Waterfront Opportunities"

Response to “Creating More Waterfront Opportunities”
Earlier today I received and email from Tom Blanchard, retired Empire State Development's Regional Office Director for Research and Planning. Tom had read my recent post on Creating More Waterfront Opportunities and shared with me some of his thoughts regarding the questions/ideas that I posed. In his email he addressed the issue of bringing bigger passenger ships into the Inner Harbor, and also how to get more people out enjoying the water on a smaller scale. Rather than relegating people to stringent time schedules and destinations, there also needs to address flexibility concerns. 

From Tom Blanchard:

I saw your piece on the visiting WWII Navy patrol boat and its ability to take people out on the water. Your point about the need for more access to the lake for the public is a good one. Driving the Excalibur, I've been amazed at the number of people that have never seen, never mind been on, the Buffalo River or Lake Erie. Seeing Buffalo, especially at night from the lake is pretty dramatic. That's what the South Basin in the 2004 Master Plan was there for (see image below). It provided a berth for the Miss Buffalo, The Cotter, The Spirit of Buffalo and one other similar size vessel in a very visible location with easy access for ticketing and boarding passengers. 

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The Spirit of Buffalo and Miss Buffalo are now almost hidden from the center of activity. The Spirit of Buffalo is in a hole in the mouth of the Commercial slip, away from her ticket booth and the Miss Buffalo is down the street. Yes, the basin would take away some of the people space for concerts, but it would have added a dimension of continuous activity when there are no special events or concerts going on. 



There were some who argued to the ECHDC that the South Basin is not historically authentic. The Prime Slip, which was privately built and then filled in at about the same location, was intended for berthing more vessels in proximity to factory buildings. Different dimensions, same economic uses.

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In your article you also raised the question of whether there are former military vessels available for passenger use. The answer is "Yes". The US Navy surpluses 40 foot motor launch hulls all the time. They can be bought from dealers that buy surplus goods in quantity (see photo). They're call "liberty launches" or liberty boats and were used to take crew ashore for liberty when their ships are at anchor in foreign ports (see Liberty Hound restaurant). They are heavily built fiberglass, diesel powered and can be converted to passenger use to meet US Coast Guard stability rules for passenger vessels. They can be modified and licensed to carry about 20 including a crew of two. I think there is one of these, or the covered Captain's version, on the Little Rock right now. There are tons of those Coast Guard passenger licensed boats around that could be converted for passenger use. The more boats like that, the more awareness of the lake and the river.

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He's right about the fact that the GSA regularly sells former USN whaleboats and crew launches at auction prices. The issue with these hulls is that many are extensively stripped and in a non-operational condition at the time of their sale, and I'd say a solid 90% of them are sold out of the Marine Corps Station in Barstow, CA. Trucking alone on a 40ft multi-ton boat to Buffalo would run at least three times the price of purchase. Then you still have to get the thing running. And crewed.

He's also right that there is an Admiral's Launch on the Port side of the Little Rock. It's in decent enough shape inside and on the important parts of the hull, but its USN property and getting it running again would require USN permission, a crane to get it off its current location and lots of restoration work to its topside fiberglass.

It all comes down to the old question; "who will pay?"

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UMMM.........Taxpayers as usual!

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Most of the adirondack lakes and finger lakes have this and it works - have rentable party pantoon boats for inside the break walls -...... Pantoon boats ate easy to drive, fit many people and would create places on the water where people could spend the day ...... Imagine the inner and outer harbor littered with party pantoon boats - it would draw people to the water .....

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This is fascinating -- I hadn't seen those South Basin plans before. Thanks for weighing in, Tom. Your name sounds very familiar -- I wonder if I might have met you at a Canal Society of NYS event.

So this raises the obvious question: what is the status of the South Basin--? Is is part of a future phase, or has it been kaibashed--?

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I think there were a bunch of different versions of the original Bass Pro plans that had different canals and docks in different locations. (Remember when Bass Pro wanted to be on the water edge for a while?)


There were also plans for a marina next to the hockey arena, where they also planned to relocate that sewage pumping station. What happened to those plans? The sewage pump has to go... It stinks!

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Why waste space for Cruise Ship docking when the DL&W was built for a Cruise Ship to dock there and light rail is there too? (does the bad planning insanity never stop?)

I thought the canal was supposed to go all the way to the donovan building ... that was part of the plan of extending the successful canal further into downtown. Did they abandon it?

And what about that parking garage? The whole thing is accessible to free light rail which means people can park for free at any number of locations...another parking garage here is just stupid.

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It's too bad that this slip wasn't able to be built. I think centralizing all of the cruises into one location would provide even more foot traffic to Canalside. Think of the Moondance Cat, Miss Buffalo and Spirit of Buffalo launching from the same spot at Canalside.

What would be even better would be to have a Canal-era spec building that would basically serve as a ticketing office and central scheduling location for all three.

Too much common sense?

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Anyone know where I can download that 2004 Master Plan linked to in the article? The link brings me to a pay-for-use page; and the text is distorted.

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Paulsobo - a little tact would be nice.

Saying "Does the bad planning ever stop" doesn't help one bit. Offer suggestions - don't slam everything.

Instead of slamming a parking garage, point out other options and leave it at that.

Wow - you're bitching about everything in Buffalo while others are trying to help out and build the city up....

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