Conceptual Design for Women & Children's Hospital Released
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Leave a commentThis will be an end to the resurgence of this part of Elmwood near Bryant ...... Ambrosia, epic, coffee culture, go veggies all benefit greatly by the traffic and employees created by children's ..... This is clearly evident by the scrub wearing people that sit and eat at these places ...... They need the building to be some sort of collegiate teaching school
Sounds like the people trying to put the Vet Hospital in Milliard Fillmore could locate it to Womens and Childrens?
I actually misread your comment of the 'Vet Hospital' as the VA Hospital on Bailey Avenue...which actually gave me an idea.
What if the VA hospital moved from Bailey to the current W&C site? This would actually allow for a couple of things.
1 - Upgrades could be made at W&C for a 'new' VA at the location. I think it's safe to say that the need for VA services is sadly on the uptick due to the last 20 years.
2 - The current VA site could be demolished and absorbed by Grover Cleveland Golf course and expand the course. Find a way to have the county transfer the course to the COB.
3 - The improved course would allow for the course on Delaware Park to be removed and restore that space to open green space for city residents.
A chain of events that would:
Provide better services to Vets
Keep the activity around the W&C site
Remove the course from Del Park and open green space
Create more revenue for the course as it would significantly improve.
> The current VA site could be demolished and absorbed by Grover Cleveland Golf course and expand the course. Find a way to have the county transfer the course to the COB.
The COB transferred the course to the County years ago.
Also, contrary to popular belief, the course is in the City of Buffalo, not the Town of Amherst as many believe. The city line runs down the center of Main Street to just short of Longleat Drive.
I understand the course is with the County and not the city.
My point was the COB has 3 sub-par golf courses on the Olmsted Parks. That really does not make sense to me. Why use so much green space for such a small % of residents when you could not only open the green space but lower the cost of the maintenance?
Give the COB 2 'duffer' courses on South Park and Caz, convert Grover to a really nice course for city residents and convert Delaware Park to an awesome public green space...the way Olmsted intended it to be.
Hospitals don't contribute that much to neighborhood retail and restaurants. They're almost completely self-contained, having their own restaurants, cafeterias, coffee houses, stores, and so on.
Elmwood Village will be fine.
does children's also have on-site cafes or public cafeterias? i am not sure. maybe someone who works there can chime in.
when there used to be a coffee house at elmwood & bryant, the proprietors told me that hospital employees were a huge chunk of their business.
Sounds like you're not in the health care industry Elmdog. Doctors and nurses don't have the time to sit in the restaurants or shop the stores on Elmwood...they get take out. And the doctors and nurses on the Buffalo medical Campus get that same take out too. So much for your end of the resurgence theory. Further, upscale brownstone-type housing belongs at the intersection of Bryant and Oakland....not an ugly hospital that cant even support a pediatric residency. It's all good bro.
looks like mess- design by committee. lets see a winter rendering as well.
Replace Children's with hundreds of new housing units, and that will more than make up for the loss of doctor's roaming Elmwood in scrubs.
what happned to all the DoDo's who demanded that CHOB stay on Bryant? The Hospital could and should have moved 10 years ago. Think of all the money wasted these past 10 years on the old building. Now: nevermind, let's move. How (typically)short-sighted.
Not short sighted at all. Times change, and so do people's thinking about things. That's normal.
The benefit to waiting, is that UB is on board with their medical school. So the entire development can be designed for maximum collaboration. This would not have been possible if Children's Hospital had moved 10 years ago.
what's changed? did anyone back then really believe that the hospital would not eventually move to the campus? also, had childrens' had their way, hodge avenue would have lost at least six more houses, and utica would look like a giant parking lot, more than it does now. and, kaleida then agreed to a new, stand alone for childrens...
What's changed. Now there is the BNMC, and a new Medical School. It makes sense to put Children's Hospital on the medical campus.
10 years ago they were talking about occupying 3 floors inside Buffalo General - not building a whole new facility. Does that sound like an adequate new Children's hospital to you?
The folks at Dino BBQ and Panera Bread are breathing a sigh of relief as all the BRO regulars flock to this new story to offer their expert opinions on the horrible design for this hospital. "We've got a big building to critique!! Yay!!"
If they must move from Bryant St. can we start planning NOW for it's use instead of waiting till after they leave and we are stuck with a vacant building just like we are now with the former Gates Hospital?
They've already begun. They held 2 public meetings with residents last month. Contact Michael Hughes at Kaleida if you want to get involved.
Glad to hear the external color scheme could change, I'm not really a fan of the green on white look.
I have to admit, I'm a bit underwhelmed with these renderings... but I'm just happy to see this much needed adjustment move forward.
The people on this message board need to get a grip.
Having a centralized location for the major hospitals and medical research and education facilities will be HUGE for this area.
Looking at what is done and being developed there is going to blow people away in 5-10 years.
The Bryant land will make a terrific condo complex, since that neighborhood is very nice and upscale.
Lime green is emerging as a hipper version of pink for the 2000s, which is why it was probably chosen for the design of the Women & Children's Hospital. It's a very popular color among younger professional women, and it also carries the connotation of environmental friendliness.
TL/DR: yoga moms love lime green.
gaaaak! it's in the elmwood village association logo, too!
it will soon be as dated as '70s burnt orange. lackawanna city hall, i'm looking at you.
Dated in 10-20 years, maybe. In 40 to 50 years, though, it'll be seen as a "cool teens color", just as many view color schemes from the 1950s today.
Even 1970s-era colors like avocado green and burnt orange are making something of a comeback. They became popular in part because they were seen as earth tones, giving them a strong association with the growing ecology movement of the era.
One less (or at least reduced) surface lot, one more mid rise. Win-win.
Is this really a hospital dedicated to treating women and children? Or is this name just an historical artifact at this point? Since women live on average 8 years longer than men do, this would seem a strange demographic to target.
"Women" was added to the name in the last few decades. It was intended to indicate that the facility could serve the medical needs of mothers who suffer acute problems as a result of childbirth.
Some medical groups decided to stop delivering at Children's due to the perceived limitations of the care CHOB could give to the mothers. The desire to be near the fullest complement of adult services prompted the original move effort.
In the new location, women will have access to the the highest level of adult care for themselves, as well as the highest level of care for their babies.
So do they also treat adult males? I checked their website, and it seems like they do, though I find their focus on women troubling. Now that the government is running the healthcare industry as a public good, it should be focused more on adult males because statistically males suffer disease at higher rates than women. For example, accidents, which afflict males more than females is a top ten killer, yet childbirth is not. Where are the Men's Hospitals? Why are we discriminated against?
How insensitive and politically incorrect.
Women have affirmative action and descrimination laws favoring them in the workplace, they have divorce laws based on stay at home moms so they get they house and the kids and the car, they have harrassment laws (against men when its practically impossible for anyone to think women might harrass men) just incase the divorce and custody laws arent sufficiently biased, etc...they have Title IX to strip money from mens sports for womens sports...and just in case men might get to uppity and independent...anywhere that a man might get mentored is either sued and forced to integrate or its labeled as a hive of pedophiles. After all we cant have boys getting mentored to grow into men, fathers and husbands. Marriage is a prison for todays feminist and they only way to solve it is for women to not get married or not be able to find a responsible husband or father.
How could you possibly expect for Womens and Childrens Hospital to be gender neutral and say Children's Hospital, Natal and Reproductive Care.
You must be politically correct today or the leftwing liberals will picket you and label you with names....like my stalker PaulBuffalo.
seriously?
you're the guy who wants women to stay home and make babies, to stop having those evil abortions, and you have the nerve to bitch about a hospital that helps women become mommies.
> You must be politically correct today or the leftwing liberals will picket you and label you with names....like my stalker PaulBuffalo.
I blame our illegitimate Kenyan-born warlord-in-chief Barack ***HUSSEIN*** Osama for the hospital's name.
Are you being serious? If you think that the health care needs of women and men are at all similar, particularly in that age group, you are delusional. Maybe if you started menstruating and delivering children you might change your viewpoint. The hospital provides many valuable services to women, like prenatal care, and also is a large provider of birth control that the Catholic hospitals aren't allowed to provide.
Correct. They aren't the same and men in that age group already have a higher disease burden that only gets worse with time. Check the death rates for young adult males versus young adult females. Again, I don't understand why there are Women's hospitals but no men's hospitals.
no one is stopping you from starting one. every other innovations depends on someone starting something.
I LOVE a design with a blimp in it!
Although I suspect that, once opened, there will be more helicopters than blimps & balloons in the sky near the hospital.
While I love the color green, buildings should be in neutral colors to prevent their becoming severely dated in the future.
Somewhat agree, but it's also one of the design elements that connects a building to a time and place.
Buffalo doesn't have much in the way of 1950s-era contemporary or Googie architecture. In parts of the country where such buildings are abundant and considered an important part of the local heritage and built environment, the pinks and turquoises of the era are now cherished.
Exactly. Its OK that a building expresses the time in which it was built.
This design for the new Childrens Hospital is very pleasant and aesthetically pleasing. It will definitely be a major improvement over the barren empty site on High and Ellicott Streets. Another state of the art modern addition to our skyline is something to look forward to without any doubt.
I think this is one of the most interesting designs I've seen presented on BRO. I look forward to seeing more images as this project develops.
As far as the introduction of color: it's about time.
Whatever the final design ends up being, it should be funky and fun. Lots of colors, shapes, playful etc. Make it a place that kids won't hate to be. This design isn't bad. As for the women part.... Why do women get their own hospital again?
Never mind. Read dagners comments. Just being an a$$.
A Ft. Lauderdale condo cut off at the knees. Top-heavy, tedious, and tiresome even before its construction.
People, it's womens and children's because of the Labor and delivery services the hospital offers ( which makes sense since the end product would be a patient at the hospital). Also, they provide women's clinics and obgyn services. It's not like they are managing hypertension and diabetes for women in the hospital!!
exactly. with a difficult pregnancy, the patient might be the mother or it might be the fetus. it makes sense to treat both patients at the same site. but if your wife gets cancer, a broken leg, or a root canal, i guarantee you she is not going to women & children's.
Yeah, i get the name. But why does every city have a Women and Children's Hospital but none have a men's hospital even though Males have a higher disease burden at every age group versus females? I don't begrudge females a hospital but where is the focus on the obviously underserved males?
Now that healthcare is essentially government controlled, this has moved from a quirk of market dynamics to a civil rights issue. Males pay taxes but are given separate and unequal care.
Because women have a number of internal organs that men don't have, perhaps? Men might face a higher disease burden, but women face more *different* medical issues. Urology is a much smaller specialty than ob/gyn.
That being said, there's not the same popular attention given to unique health issues that face men, compared to those facing women. Unfortunately, I don't think you'll see items labeled with blue ribbons for prostate cancer in stores, or a "Save The Balls 10K" anytime soon.
I applaud and your humor! Thanks you gave me the best smile and laugh Ive had all week.
The point very simply is if a Hospital specializes in "Children & Reproductive Care" then why cant it be gender neutral and called just that!!!
Why does it have to be gender specific for Women and Children only? They do treat men for reproductive care too!
I think that what I am most happy about is the younger generation of males is finally starting to understand the prejudice and biases that feminism has created against them in society. Your questioning the fairness and not taking the disadvantaged feminismt arguments at face value anymore.
For 50 years feminism has marched on the premise of being disadvantaged...marching in all the areas where they saw glass ceilings and statistical under-representation...WHILE IGNORNING AND REFUSING TO GIVE UP ALL THOSE AREAS WHERE WOMEN WERE STATISTICALLY OVER REPRESENTED AND AREAS BIASED IN THEIR FAVOR.
Thanks to guys like DAN there is actually hope for a society that has opportunity for both genders.
CHANGE THE NAME TO CHILDRENS & REPRODUCTIVE CARE HOSPITAL OR CRC HOSPITAL.
most women i know would be happy to give up their statistical over-representation amongst the ranks of sexual assault victims and the poor.
In an ideal society, none of us would have the burdens that come with the race, gender, sexual orientation, or some other trait we didn't choose at birth. Men are afraid of being seen as pedos if they're around a kid, women face financial burdens that come from faster-changing fashion trends and childrearing, some people still cross the street if they see a black man approach them, and everybody asks Asians for help with their math homework. Men, women, black, white, gay, straight, and we all have to face some kind of bull$hit that's unique to our situation. When it comes to human rights and social justice, more has been accomplished in the past 100 to 200 years than all the millennial before that. We still have a long way to go, and we may never have true equity in every regards because ... let's face it, we'll all different.
Anyhow, I thought we were talking about hospitals, not te men's rights movement.
Oh for god sakes, find something else to complain about. I hardly feel I'm discriminated against because there isn't a Men's hospital. Besides you're forgetting that health care in the United States is a private enterprise. These are private companies trying to make money - their mission is not for the public good or equitable treatment or anything like that. Without looking up any numbers - I would guess that women and children spend far more, per capita, on health care than men. The anti-liberal ideologue in you should love the whole money-driven basis for things like a "women and children's hospital."
Looking at the dismal real time picture at the bottom of how run down the area is how can anyone object to this fun edition? I also don't know how so many people can be critical of the design when I'm pretty sure most of you really have no clue to good design. Just becouse you've been to Disney does not make you worldly.
Wow, this design is surprisingly interesting...excited to see how it comes to life.
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Do the blimp and hot air balloons in the renderings imply that there won't be a copter pad associated with this hospital but rather a spot on the roof to tether up?
Little known fact:
The needle on the Empire State building was originally built to dock Zeppelins. So maybe balloon traffic could be the new mode of transportation?
LED ZEPPELIN ROCKS! Dude!
Littler known fact: so was the top of the Rand Building on Lafayette Square.
I'd love to see a life-flight or organ transplant arriving at the roof via hot air balloon!
Deaner rockin' some Buffalo trivia from the ATL, i'll give that a thumbs up.