City July 9, 2012 2:38 PM

Bloomberg attempts to limit soda size to 16-ounces

Bloomberg attempts to limit soda size to 16-ounces
Mayor Bloomberg is attempting to limit the size of soda pops that are served in places like movie theaters and restaurants in order to help curb obesity. I think that this is a long overdue initiative that should be used as a stepping stone towards more limitations on fast foods and sodas that people are depending on more and more. As some hospitals are finally taking a good look at fast food chains located in their own buildings (see WBFO), we need to continue to take actions that will reverse the super-sizing of our nation's school children as well. 

While we will never see in our lifetime the demise of McDonald's and Burger King, we can begin to limit what is being served. Who really needs a 64-ounce soda? Or a single serving of 24 chicken McNuggets (have you ever seen what those things are made of?) At this point there are hardly any regulations on what chain restaurants are serving up and marketing? The temptation is part ultra convenience, part sugary and fatty taste and part cheap price. Dirt cheap prices, fried foods and ever-present locations make it way too tempting to rely on self-control. I congratulate Mayor Bloomberg in telling the New York Board of Health to crack down on super-sizes. Hopefully this is just the beginning and Buffalo can jump on-board with similar initiatives. 

According to PreventObesity.net, "Right now, about one-third of children and two-thirds of adults are overweight or obese. Obesity is an epidemic, and it contributes to growing rates of type 2 diabetes, heart disease, hypertension and even some cancers. If we do not reverse childhood obesity in particular, this generation of kids could be the first in America's history to live sicker and die younger than their parents' generation."

Bloomberg has been an advocate in changing the way we look at our diet. He has fought for taxing sodas and restricting the purchasing of sodas with food stamps. There should be no reason not to regulate what can and can not be purchased with food stamps. The other day I was in line at a corner store and I witnessed woman who purchased a bunch of junk food with food stamps and then proceeded to pull out cash from her purse to purchase lottery tickets! There comes a time when we need to step back and ask ourselves what we are doing, regardless of those who feel that as Americans we deserve to have anything and everything, regardless whether we pay for it ourselves or not.

It is said that obesity-related illnesses in New York City cost $4 billion a year. Who's paying for that? Am I against soda, burgers or sugary sweets? Of course not. Am I worried that I'm seeing more and more obese children and adults? Yes. Does everyone agree with my stance? No. We live in a free nation where people can do as they please. But when it comes to what is being marketed to us, it seems as if poor food choices are being forced down out throats. It's time to rethink how we are treating our bodies. If food is indeed a drug, then we Americans are rapidly on a course of OD'ing.

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"May Bloomberg"

Freudian slip? :)

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would the bill also limit free re-fills?

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I realize obesity is a problem but this also punishes people who live a healthy life and enjoy soda.

Where do you draw the line? Will the govt then dictate our entire diet?

And if it's just on sizes what about free refills? What will stop someone from buying two drinks under the size limit? What will stop people from switching to other sugar rich beverages that won't be regulated?

I think the whole idea sucks. I truly love drinking soda and I'm rarely ever sick, I live a pretty active lifestyle.

I'd sooner support mandating exercise than I would taking away personal freedoms. Not that I think that idea would be great either but I'm sure it accomplish a lot more for the general public.

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Do I agree that a 64 oz "pop" (this is a Buffalo blog, right?) is ridiculous? Yes. Pop in any size is terrible for you and it goes well beyond the calories. Nutrition and lack of exercise in this country is disgusting and it needs to be addressed for the health of our nation.

HOWEVER... At what point does it stop? Are we really going to regulate the stupid out of our society?

On a lighter note, we know the effect prohibition had on organized crime. Could these sugar regulations blow a whole new revenue stream for under-ground sweets trade????

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It absolutely WILL create a black market for bigger sodas.

So completely stupid.

replied to GDubs
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eh eh I can hook you up with a 3-liter of Jolt and a plastic barrel of Pixy Stix dust. Keep it on the downlow.

replied to Jesse
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I disagree that you can necessarily prevent someone from buying those sizes, and I find it kid of ridiculous that people are calling for a ban on large sizes. No one is being forced to drink these. Maybe require that nutritious facts for an average soft drink are on the cup prominently, like candy bars do.

I do agree, however, there needs to be a crack down on food stamp and EBT usage and abuse. Why should food stamps be able to be used at fast food places to buy processed garbage at the store? That carries a cost to everyone, especially when tens of millions of food stamp users are also on taxpayer funded Medicaid. It should be guided into a more flexible WIC type program - don't subsidize junk food and pop, let them buy healthy food and household necessities. Update the list maybe once a twice a year.

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Love this.

Essentially what NY is saying..

Go to the movies, USING YOUR OWN MONEY to pay for your ticket and decided to indulge in a tub of popcorn and a super large soda = bad. We must prevent this.

Go to the grocery store, USING FOOD STAMPS to buy a 12 pack of soda because it tastes better than water or juice = ok. We must not regulate those on food stamps because they have rights you know.

Do I think 64oz of pop for a single person all of the time is disgusting? Yes. But sometimes I go with my better half and we treat ourselves by splitting one. Now I can look forward to buying 2 at twice the price because some fat people can not be responsible.

'MERICA!

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here's a novel idea WHY DON'T YOU TEACH YOUR CHILDREN BETTER EATING HABITS!!! there's an obesity problem because you let your chidren consume and consume like it's a good idea to keep consuming... that's not the theater's fault and it's certainly not mcdonald's fault, that falls squarely on the parents. who wants to debate me on that?

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As a parent I encourage my children to super size their drinks because when they are finished we bring them home and use them as a swimming pool during the summer months. Nothing like swimming in the Colonel.

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yes...a dip in the pool smothered in gravy, mmmm...

replied to YesSir
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PREACH brother! Let the adults do whatever they want, but somebody needs to protect children, or at least educate them to make better decisions.

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PREACH brother! Let the adults do whatever they want, but somebody needs to protect children, or at least educate them to make better decisions.

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let them drink it if they please. There shouldn't be a ban on such trivial things. Bloomberg should busy himself with more pressing issues in NYC

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Unbelievable - more government can cure anything - Bah humbug. Let's deal with the more important issues-there's certainly enough of them.

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Well, I'm just gonna keep smoking my cigarettes along with my 16 ounce soda....we're worried about soda...jeez. You can't "run off" cancer or COPD brother.

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If the government (meaning taxpayers) is going to pick up the tab for the sick then they should have some say in cutting down on public health problems. Who takes care of these sick, obese soda swilling, smoking Americans...the system (taxpayers)

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This is really a stupid waste of time.

No one has a gun to their heads being forced to buy huge portions. People will find ways around this silly ban.

Banning cigarettes (never gunna happen) would be much more benificial to the health of society.

Trying to regulate poor parenting/poor eatting habits is a waste of time and tax payers money. Spend your time on somthing more valuable Bloomberg.

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Yeah, did they ban refills to? I guess it works since I will need to walk up to get my refills so I am burning more energy.

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When voters encourage politicians to "run government like a business", this is the sort of approach they're asking for. Its the heavy hand of a technocrat. Thats the common thread running through this policy, anti-smoking laws, the trans fat ban, traffic congestion fees, Stop and Frisk and Police Monitoring of Muslims. Its all about the numbers. I wouldn't want a dangerous city of unhealthy people but somehow there needs to be a balance. Achieving that balance takes insight. Why would anyone expect a man who travels mainly by helicopter and bulletproof SUV to understand?

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davvid>"When voters encourage politicians to "run government like a business", this is the sort of approach they're asking for."

I disagree that's what most voters are really asking for, although Bloomy no doubt has it twisted in many ways.

There's a huge difference between the city government and the city. The former is full of employees who do work under the management of a mayor or other govt executive. The latter is full of residents who - if using a business analogy - would represent the customers or stockholders/owners of the government, not it's subordinates or underlings.

If a mayor or govt executive wants to use some business-similar practices in how he or she operates a govt, that shouldn't logically imply the right to boss around the residents such as with soda size limits, any more than a business CEO should expect to be able to boss around his indirect bosses (the stockholders), or the hands that ultimately feed him/her (the customers).

Although I'm not a big fan of that cliche "run government like a business", there can be some common sense ideas implied by that. For example, being able to fire people who are truly incompetent or even criminal. Too often it's next to impossible for that to happen with govt workers. Recently here some county jail guards who couldn't be fired (thanks to govt employee labor laws here) even after conviction for physically abusing prisoners.

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The idea of running a city like a business is vague enough to mean different things to different people. For me, the message is generally about efficiency. I can imagine that Bloomberg feels responsible for the public's health, has absorbed the data on obesity related illness and sees a crisis here. He probably sees an opportunity to save lives while reducing the burden of health care costs.

He remained popular after the same personal freedom arguments we made about anti-smoking policies and after the small business arguments were made about the traffic-congestion fee idea. By behaving more like a manager than a politician hes been able to avoid the typical political labels and containers. If a New Yorker doesn't like Stop and Frisk or Anti-Obesity laws, they might like the lower crime rate or additional bike lanes.

My issue with Mayor-Manager Bloomberg is that he is much more responsive to the wishes of the wealthy and well educated. Over time its shaped NYC into an overly controlled playground for the rich. I really find it hard to believe that he sees all New Yorkers as shareholders.

Also, the separation of city from city government is getting very blurry these days because of how much space is controlled by private property management and how many police officers are being paid my private companies.

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If I were the mayor (hehe) I'd probably also find myself getting frustrated with the limitations that labor contracts put on my ability to manage but I also know how the steadily waning influence of unions has negatively affected the stability and quality of life of working class families.

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"I really find it hard to believe that he sees all New Yorkers as shareholders."

I agree with you in that part. Bloomberg seems to think he's in the role of boss, commander, or parent of city residents. He's a progressive control freak for sure, even by NYC standards.

My reference to citizens as shareholders or customers of a city government rather than as its subordinates is how I think he should look at it if a business analogy is to be used at all. Not how he does look at it, evidently, based on many things he's done in office.


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How about instead halving the sugar content of soda? I'm sure it'll still taste sweet even with half the sugar.

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This is so much fun!

It is ALL ABOUT the parents/guardians - PERIOD. This is another Big Brother attempt to step in where parents should. We are now seeing the 2nd and 3rd generation brats raising kids now and going to Sav a Lot and buying 10 gallons of soda, Cheese "food" spread, chips, TV dinners..... Am IO the only one that witnesses this at local stores? The parents dont even know let alone care. "Whatever is easiest" That is the order of the day. Convenience is killing us!

Teach the kids about good wholesome local grown food - even try growing some of their own!! I dont impy shoving asparagus, sprouts and beans down the kids throats and telling them to shut up and like it. Rather, kids eat what parents eat and they live what they see.

The focus should be on educating PARENTS and providing the resources for every family to learn about healthy foods and top grow their own food. As George W used to say - it aint Rocket Surgery.

This topic pisses me off. This is ludicrous Bloomberg. It is stupid - for lack of a better word. Just Stupid. Now he will be able to claim that he was concerned for our children's health when he runs again. Like the Working Familes and Tax issues we are seeing in the Presidential Posturing today.

Spend my tax dollars on EDUCATION and opportunities for people to grow their own - or more managed co-ops. Cmon!

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"Spend my tax dollars on EDUCATION" I think you meant to say "waste my tax dollars on EDUCATION" We here in NY excel at this, see BPS.

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Jon Stewart tore this topic up. He wouldn't stop talking about it for a week..

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What does this topic have to do with the rising of Buffalo as a great city again? Why not an editorial about gun control? Or fireworks?

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Buffalo is a great city because it's way ahead in the war on fast-food; all the Downtown franchises are gone, aren't they? That must have been to save the fatties from themselves & not due to lack of customers, I'm sure.

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Right. Pizza, tacos and Jim's steakout is bursting with nutrition.

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"The Mayor of the City of New York is head of the executive branch of New York City's government. The mayor's office administers all city services, public property, police and fire protection, most public agencies, and enforces all city and state laws within New York City."

Parental powers over NYC's citizens is missing from the above duties.

Even though well-intentioned, never-the-less the restriction would be intrusive.

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I almost spit out my Mt. Dew when I read this!

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The Seneca Indians will soon start selling the biggest cups of pop you have ever seen! :)

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i can't stand this initiative. i find it so ridiculous for this to even be an issue concerning government. our government should be focused on public infrastructure, education, healthcare, and the like. these efforts should be redirected into health education in schools rather than regulating what a person can consume. teach a kid that soda/pop is best consumed in small dosages. you know what they say, give a man a fish...

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I don't care if you're Republican or Democrat, stay out of my life. Don't tell me what I can put in my body, be it a Big Mac, a 16 ounce soda, or a penis. I don't need some a**hole in Washington, Albany, or that little Umpa Lumpa mayor of New York City dictating what I eat or drink or who I screw. Most of these jerks can't take care of their own s***, let alone take care of mine. STAY THE H*** OUT OF PEOPLE'S LIVES!

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I don't like the style of the policy but lets be honest here, Bloomberg isn't making pop illegal and the policy wouldn't force you from putting unhealthy quantities of it in your body. Hes banning the quantity sold in a single container, right? You could get around the issue by simply buying two smaller containers if you really want. Regulating what can or cannot be sold to the public is nothing new. When you consider all the regulations on food and commerce, this one is pretty modest. Personally I think it should be targeted toward children, not adults who act like children.

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But you will still be able to buy a jug of wine at any liquor store. This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of, and I'm a little shocked that any reasonable person would side with this.

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