Real Estate July 17, 2012 9:18 AM

Blockbuster Out, Panera in on Elmwood

Blockbuster Out, Panera in on Elmwood
Panera Bread is taking over the space now occupied by Blockbuster in the 700 block of Elmwood Avenue.  The fast-casual restaurant is leasing space from The Benchmark Group and is across the street from Benchmark's proposed mixed-use project at 766 Elmwood.

The Buffalo News confirms what has been rumored for months:

Panera Bread has submitted plans to the Buffalo Planning Board to convert the Blockbuster at 765 Elmwood Ave., at Cleveland Avenue, into a restaurant.

However, the financially troubled movie rental chain, which has been closing sites across the region and nation, has not announced plans to close or relocate the Elmwood store.

If the proposed renovation project gets the nod from the city, Panera could open as early as next year.

Panera Bread was started in 1981 and is expanding quickly across North America,operating 1,562 company-owned and franchise-operated bakery-cafes in 40 states and in Ontario, Canada as of earlier this year.  The company is headquartered in St. Louis.  
 
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mmmmmm Cheesey bread

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The chains-are-a-comin'-to-Buffalo. Batten down the hatches....

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Or in this case a chain is replacing a chain. I'd much rather see bread than the crap coming out of Hollywood.

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This is good (im not much of a panera fan) but man if it was a Brugger's Bagels I would have squealed with joy.

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I somewhat lament the loss of Blockbuster, but welcome the change. That building needs some help and Panera usually does a nice job of incorporating patio areas, which will hopefully make that little stretch more vibrant.

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I wonder if this will hurt Spot of Globe at all? Spot's clientele is kinda different but globe and panera overlap

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We will see what happens.... Panera is better than Blockbuster but do we really need another breakfast, lunch place in this block and or area? I imagine, Globe, Spot, Acropolis, O3 arent happy at all and will see a few of the smaller places close in the next few years....Panera would be great somewhere else...Zettis location.....

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Regardless of the fact this is a chain restaurant if people choose Panera over the nearby alternatives that should signal to those places to step up their game. That's competition and as a consumer we will win no matter what. I also think that this actually creates more demand and a destination. If I'm out looking for a breakfast sandwich I know to go to this block of Elmwood because there's at least 3 or 4 options and no matter what I'll find what I'm looking for instead of driving all over the place and settling on something because there's no other option.

It's the same reason 100's of clothing stores at a mall work together. They're all essentially selling the same thing but the density brings people in masses and most, if not all, thrive because of it. Not to mention you'll have some suburbanites or other visitors go there because they recognize the Panera name and may discover the local eateries possibly coming back for those.

I won't miss Blockbuster either especially with on-demand and redbox, both cheaper and more convenient.

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Dolci will be impacted as well....The only real benefit will be more space to relax on an outdoor patio and also they will have a real bakery...Something that Elmwood hasnt gotten....

but this might be better......

http://www.cornerbakerycafe.com/Press/Details/12-04-10/corner_bakery_cafe_to_enter_kansas_city.aspx

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A "real bakery" in my opinion is one where the bread dough is mixed and proofed on premise. Opening a box filled with frozen par baked bread and inserting the loaves into an oven till hot is not something a "real bakery" does.

replied to elmdog
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i cant wait for this to open! i can pretty much guarentee that there will be a lawsuit from someone! the buffalo way

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Sadly...you're right!

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if there is a lawsuit, it will be because the city bent over backwards to accommodate panara and chucked the elmwood village design guidelines, not because a big bad chain is threatening a mom & pop.

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Yes, what you wrote is a safe bet regarding explicit reasons a hypothetical opponent might give - considering cities can't have any legal grounds to stop something on the basis of it being a chain or nonlocal.

When Spot (which many people still oddly consider local even though it's a chain) renovated the record store and expanded into it, I don't think anybody sued to try forcing it to exceed 1-story. Or maybe that wasn't considered a true expansion since that part of the building into which they expanded their business already existed.

If the Blockbuster building needs expansion it will be interesting to see how the new EV rule for 2-story minimum is dealt with. Who knows, however, maybe Panera might even want a small dining area built onto the 2nd floor.
I'm not sure, but the Blockbuster building's size looks to me smaller than most Paneras.

replied to grad94
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I enjoy Panera I just wish they didn't have to be so predatory in their proximity to Spot.

Ideally it would be downtown, near/on the waterfront or in another burgeoning area like Amherst or Grant Street.

Come on city planners - do your job. Let's help create hubs of business in new areas not destroy established businesses through corporate competition.

We need to call on our city leaders to make better decisions when welcoming corporate chains.

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I too thought it was odd for Panera to be next door to Spot, especially when I realized they have the same landlord! But whatever... let the corporate chains fight it out.

I don't think city planners have (or should have) any say in deciding which specific businesses are allowed to locate near each other.

replied to Lukia Costello
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The one thing we could do is make an appeal to Panera Corporate via petition; thanking them for their investment so far and their expansion but, asking them to consider a more appropriate location. Anyone can create a petition at http://www.change.org/.

replied to JSmith
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We have enough experts here, locally sourced and organically grown, to create petitions. Itis actually a vibrant part of our community, it is actually what we do nest a

replied to Lukia Costello
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We have enough experts here, locally sourced and organically grown, to create petitions. Itis actually a vibrant part of our community, it is actually what we do nest a

replied to Lukia Costello
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I whole heartedly disagree.

Setting up shop near an established business is nothing new and certainly not an unfair business practice. I'm not a fan of monopolies, I think they create far more problems than competition between businesses. I don't want city planners interfering with competition between businesses. I think they should be doing more to make the city more hospitable to businesses so that there are more businesses in competition rather than favoring one over another. Make sure that businesses are subject to similar rules and equal enforcement of those rules(wages, employment practices and worker safety, zoning/building codes, no deceptive/unfair business practices, etc.).

I think Spot Coffee on Delaware stepped up its game when Starbucks moved in across the street. Valu almost went out of business when Home Depot first came to WNY, but found its nitch and appears to be thriving in WNY and Western PA.

replied to Lukia Costello
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Sorry, but Panera would never open a location on Grant Street.

replied to Lukia Costello
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Since 95% of the restaurants in the city are locally owned is there a good place to let a big chain restaurant open up? They'd have to go in a commercial district no matter where they decide so why make them go in a weaker one where they don't have stiff competition.

If anything I think Panera is the one who should be worried since most chains do not last amongst our list of strong local eateries.

Furthermore this is a private developer bringing in the restaurant, not the city planners. They have nothing to do with who operates a business nor should they. They should however dictate the buidling design and it's integration with the physical built environment.

replied to Lukia Costello
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Spot is an out-of-town chain as well. Why should they get preferred treatment? Hopefully, this will force them to improve.

replied to Lukia Costello
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What's difference between this and when Spot opened a new location near DiCamillo's in Williamsville?

replied to Lukia Costello
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It's Williamsville. It doesn't count.

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Can't wait till the national clothing stores start moving here.

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Well, it will bring more people to Elmwood. Panera does seem to be quite popular, and my understanding is they are generally good neighbors in terms of letting community groups have meetings, play board games, etc., in their space.

I am not a big fan of national chains in general, but it has to be admitted that in our current economic culture, national chains like Panera or even Dinosaur BBQ (majority owned by George Soros but managed by the original owners from Syracuse) moving into the city of Buffalo do indicate a positive change in perception about these neighborhoods.

I do wish Elmwood would get a larger diversity of shops. Video rental stores are a business model that is fading away, but it's a little sad to see an everyday household amenity like a video shop replaced with yet another restaurant. Diversity of type of shops is one thing Hertel has over Elmwood, for sure.

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I do truly fear that Buffalo could see a mall-ification in its future if it is not careful--it has happened in cities across the country, and in cities with much smarter, more progressive leadership. The city is getting cleaned up enough for people to venture in from the suburbs....and, with them, comes more money and a desire to frequent venues (like Paneras) with which they feel comfortable.

At the end of the day, it will be up to consumers to continue to support locally-owned and run establishments. The need for organizations like Buffalo First! are becoming more critical.

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panera would be better suited downtown I would rather go to globe or spot for my sandwiches salad and soup.

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Spot and Globe also have downtown locations.

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I may be one of the only people that will lament the loss of blockbuster. I live in pretty close proximity to this area, and the ability to bike down there to pick up a blu-ray, or video game for an evening has always been a nice convenience. Had this been 2-3 years ago when Netflix still had so many of the major movie labels, and they had a much more vast catalog, I wouldn't have been as upset; however netflix has almost nothing of interest now. In order to reliably have access to a movie you want to watch, you need concurrent subscription to Hulu+, Amazon prime, and Netflix. And the MPAA wonders why pirating is so huge, haha!!!

What's the nearest movie/video game rental place now that they're moving out? Probably the family video on colvin, which is a good 15-20 minute drive. Again not the worst, but still an inconvenience.

So what are we getting in blockbusters place? ANOTHER restaurant/coffee shop, in an area already congested with the like. Not to mention it is a huge chain!! I fear for Globe, spot, Cafe Aroma, Dolci, and the slew of other coffee shops in the village. Here's to hoping that the planning board for some reason vetos this proposal.

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If you don't like Panera, don't eat there. Globe, Spot, Cafe Aroma and Dolci all better figure out what sets them apart and deliver on it or they too will join Buffalo's retailing graveyard. Personally, I think they each have the ability to deliver different experiences and better quality than a fast-casual chain restaurant.

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If you don't like Panera, don't eat there. Globe, Spot, Cafe Aroma and Dolci all better figure out what sets them apart and deliver on it or they too will join Buffalo's retailing graveyard. Personally, I think they each have the ability to deliver different experiences and better quality than a fast-casual chain restaurant.

replied to theincrediblehoek
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In the last two days two popular chains are opening up shop in the city, (Both of which are upgrades) and yet the majority of people on this site cannot find an ounce of happiness for this news.

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DMZ I'm totally happy about new business but, new development requires responsibility and planning. Previous planning in this city, or lack thereof, has created many of the bottlenecks in development we have seen up to this point.

New business is great but it has to be created with an eye toward the long term. Putting a popular chain cafe in the same building as an thriving independent cafe is not good. Yes it creates jobs but, if Panera edges spot out or Globe Market - those jobs go, the jobs of the businesses that supply.

Putting it in an area or on a block that is not already occupied by the same type of business is more beneficial. It creates jobs, and it attracts other new business, fostering new growth.

We don't need the city board of planners. We could show Panera suport and encouragement while asking them to consider other locations via petition. Anyone can start one at www.change.org.

replied to DMZ
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Then please explain why Spot and Starbucks on Delaware are ok together or Starbucks and Aroma on Elmwood? I love when people over analyze the worse case scenario for a small chain restaurant that hasn't even opened yet. I wouldn't lament the closing of Blockbuster as that's inevitable since they're in chapter 11 bankruptcy. Frankly I like the proactive approach of this developer.

One thing you overlook in your calculations is that many people in WNY or Buffalo proper have never eaten at Globe Market or o3 but will go here for this place and may discover those local places. There's a bigger world out there then the people who reside in the two block radius around Spot Coffee and it would be nice to draw them to here.

replied to Lukia Costello
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YES! Great point. If the chains ever start coming to Elmwood in droves, then to Travellrrr's point, Buffalo First! could be an important part of Elmwood Village Association's strategy of maintaining a healthy mix of locally owned and chain stores. I think it would be more beneficial to focus on how to attract different types of businesses to the Elmwood strip than dusting off the old Soviet-era approach of a controlled economy.

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You do realize that businesses are allowed to open up shop wherever THEY choose as long as they meet all codes and land use requirements right?

Planners don't tell regulate the type of retail and such that can operate..we're not gods (well, close though).

replied to Lukia Costello
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Lukia, I like Spot too but I have no idea what you mean by it being an "independent cafe" and not a chain.

Spot is a small but growing corporate chain HQ-ed in Ontario, publicly traded on a stock exchange (like Panera is, although Spot is in a much earlier stage), with corporately-owned locations in Buffalo, Amherst, Rochester, South Florida, Toronto, and planning to soon open more new locations in other parts of NY state, as well as a 2nd location near Toronto, a 2nd location in Florida, and several in Europe, Africa, and the Middle East.

http://www.spotcoffee.com/images/pdf/2012-06-20%20Growth%20Plans.pdf
"SPOT COFFEE UPDATES INTERNATIONAL GROWTH PLANS
Toronto, Ontario, June 20th, 2012- SPOT COFFEE (CANADA) LTD. (TSX-V: SPP) (“SPoT” or the “Company”) pursuant to its press release dated April 16th, 2012 would like to provide a further update on its plans to expand operations to new international markets.

… SPoT has been in strategic discussions with a leading café and restaurant developer to assist the company in setting up the infrastructure for an international licensing agreement in preparation of executing its business and financial plan for international growth. Today the company announced the commencement of international expansion into the Middle East, North Africa, United Kingdom and Ireland …"

For NY state -
http://www.spotcoffee.com/images/pdf/spot%20coffee%20development%20business%20update%20press%20release-%20april%2016%202012.pdf
"Mr. Ayoub, new president of SPoT, reported: “In keeping with my mandate and growth plan for SPoT, I have adopted a dynamic leasing strategy to secure more prime locations this year for the development of new SPoT cafés in Saratoga Springs, Albany, Syracuse and Ithaca so that we may constitute SPoT café centres that will tie up with our cafés in Buffalo and Rochester to consolidate our targeted regional growth and brand in upstate New York before moving into the outskirts of the City of New York in 2014.”
Also, on the 2nd page of this fact sheet, there's a map showing current and planned locations in North America, and just below that is a map of multiple locations in both Dubai/UAE and Saudi Arabia.
http://www.spotcoffee.com/images/pdf/Spot_Coffee_Fact_Sheet.pdf
Those maps are to the right of where it says
"SPoT currently owns and operates five corporate cafés with plans to strategically expand across North America and the Middle East"

replied to Lukia Costello
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DMZ I'm totally happy about new business but, new development requires responsibility and planning. Previous planning in this city, or lack thereof, has created many of the bottlenecks in development we have seen up to this point.

New business is great but it has to be created with an eye toward the long term. Putting a popular chain cafe in the same building as an thriving independent cafe is not good. Yes it creates jobs but, if Panera edges spot out or Globe Market - those jobs go, the jobs of the businesses that supply.

Putting it in an area or on a block that is not already occupied by the same type of business is more beneficial. It creates jobs, and it attracts other new business, fostering new growth.

We don't need the city board of planners. We could show Panera suport and encouragement while asking them to consider other locations via petition. Anyone can start one at www.change.org.

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Spot Coffee is not an independent cafe and has not been for some years now. It is an international corporate chain based in Toronto and most of the investors are from Saudi Arabia.

Globe Market... well, I would have had more sympathy to them before the unbecoming fit they threw over the proposed infill building next door.

replied to Lukia Costello
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You're correct, the truth of the matter is that a decent amount of the "cool" and "hip" spots around town are corporartely owned. Also I love the fact that Panera is locating downtown, altough I think they could make a killing on Chippewa, or a location on Canalside.

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Lukia, with your sort of mindset, you would be a welcome addition to the Albany scene. Yes, New York is open for business--as long as you agree with Lukia.

replied to Lukia Costello
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I'm pretty sure Globe will do just fine, they have two locations and a 3rd on the way, all of which are located near other restaurants. We should be happy that an outdated business is leaving, and a new business is coming in creating healthy competition and improving the surrounding area.

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Panera's coffee is horrible. Spot's coffee is great. They also have better food. They'll be fine. Isn't there a Starbucks almost right next to Talking Leaves? They seem to be doing fine. People (especially people in that area) appreciate quality and local establishments.

Panera is more of a quick breakfast/lunch/dinner place. I welcome the vibrancy it will bring to the street and hope they somehow implement outside dining.

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Williamsville has a Cafe Aroma, Panera, Starbucks, Coffee Culture and Spot all within a mile of each other and last I checked they all do just fine. People will go where they want and where they enjoy the food/drink.

As far as the corporate chains in the city...bring it on! Any investment in the city is better than investment in Clarence or Amherst if you ask me. Would you rather a Whole Foods be on Transit Rd. or somewhere downtown? I think the answer to that question is rather obvious.

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It's especially convenient because the Williamsville Spot has very unreliable wifi. I can go to Spot, and connect to Panera Bread's wifi across Main Street.

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Both Globe and Spot have locations downtown as well so who's to say Panera won't head there next. They probably find Elmwood more suitable because it dosn't empty out at 5. This same conversation happened when Starbucks came to Elmwood and the private coffee shops have done just fine.

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I am strangely sorry to see Blockbuster go because I am a hold-out for rentals, not NetFlix, etc. I am looking forward to the day that we come full-circle and there are again local movie stores. Also, Panera is sad.

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I remember when Starbucks announced they were moving across the street from Spot on Delaware. Many of us feared the worse, and what is it now, like 12, 13 years later, both are doing fine? Moving on.

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I remember the big battle of Starbucks coming to Elmwood about 12 years ago and everyone freaked out (much like this announcement). Of course, it's over a decade later and everyone is co-existing. I don't have a problem with Panera coming to Elmwood - I much prefer Spot or Globe.

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Regardless of anything else, the removal of the blue and gold plastic awning will be a HUGE improvement.

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Dear everyone worried about Spot and Globe:

Fear not for your local brands; we are coming out with a cheap monthly service, offering easy access to tooth-chipping French Baguette and a mediocre-at-best menu.

Regards, Netflix.

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Elmwood could use some healthy competition, like how about some better hours and quicker service. Ever try to get a quick bite to eat on lunch break at Globe Market? Their food is amazing but they take forever. And after 6pm it's anyone's guess which stores are still open. A couple corporate chains aren't going to ruin Elmwood. Starbucks, Burger King, Pier One, and Subway all proved that to be 100% true. In most cases it's the corporate chain that takes a beating.


I can't wait for Panera... Bring it!

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Amen. Elmwood needs to step up in service and quality.

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This is good news, diversity is an excellent thing. Locals and chains need to mingle together to form a healthy mix.

For those who think it's a good idea to micromanage business location... this only really works in a place like a mall or large shopping center where there is a central management structure that's capable of making sound business decisions based on numbers instead of silly opinions no one can agree upon. Cities should never embrace the above model; city shopping districts are all about spontaneity and being different from the homogenized suburban norm.

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I love Panera and hope that once the Family Video on Hertel inevitably folds, they take that spot over too. At least the parking lot would see some use.

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I think that Paneras would be an exellent addition to Elmwood. So what if it is a national chain, that alone will help bring more recognition and customers into the Elmwood Village area. You cannot just restrict business development on Elmwood just to these little, price gouging mom and pops. It is time for more variety and a more diverse selection. Anyone who opposes Panera coming onto Elmwood is a brain dead fool.

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The inner harbor is going to need an amazing outdoor patio restaurant, bakery, coffee shop.... A place where people can go, sit, read, drink coffee, listen to music and relax ...... An upscale coffee shop like

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Huzzah! I like Panera. I also like Globe and Spot, but what I like the most is options. I'll frequent all three.

I don't understand it when people say it's up to us as consumers to be patrons of local businesses. Competition is good for consumers, and it's up to the local businesses to remain competitive with regional and national stores by providing quality products at reasonable prices. I'll support local business ventures over chains so long as the value is competitive. I'd prefer to buy locally and be a patron of small Buffalo businesses, but I'm not going to spend a great deal more money than I need to just to keep these stores and restaurants afloat.

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Panera's got NOTHING on Globe Market. I don't generally eat at chains but every once in a while I find myself at one for lack of a better place to eat. I was actually kind of looking forward to eating at Panera since it's style of food seemed right up my alley. I tried it different 3 times and every time I was disappointed. I'm not trying it again. Mediocre food and PRICEY. I don't mind spending $10-12 on a fast lunch if it's worth it but Panera just isn't worth it. Even so, people like it and I don't doubt they'll have a line out the door every day at lunch time.

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Won't miss the blue awning.

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The Blockbuster building ... this area of 1 story blank boxes...its just ripe for the other new builds with lovely retail on the first floor and 2nd & 3rd floor residential.

Elmwood and Hertel always had character because their lack of chain stores and predominant locally owned store. There are so many food choices in Buffalo that Panera's is nothing more than an option.

Still...put me in the category that would like to see a new build with residential.

A 1920 period new build that fits in with the character of the neighborhood.

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A few chain stores are necessary to get the respect of people from out of town - they show that this is a "place worth frequenting." Yes, I realize we all know that it is, but if you're an out-of-towner visting Elmwood on a quick foray from Niagara Falls, say, and you don't know what Dolci is, you might be comforted that there is a place you know. This is why chain hotels work as a concept. In any case, in city after city, including NYC or Chicago where chains are everywhere, independents continue to thrive, at least the good ones. So, the coming of Panera is great news in my view. If Elmwood starts becoming saturated by chains, that would be a problem, but we're nowhere even close to that...

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How many times have you been in another city, in search of lunch/dinner in a place you're familiar with. Type in Panera into your phone or GPS, and get taken to a great neighborhood you never knew existed?
Now think of everyone coming in for business or healthcare, doing the same thing, and deciding to tack on some souvenir purchases at Positively Main St or Spoiled Rotten (both within view)?
Or they're as daring as the readers on this blog, see the Panera but then see Spot, Globe, Wasabi, Blue Fin etc right next door and decided to try something new?

This can only help with out of towners (or new to towners), and the locals can make up their own minds on where to eat.

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You sir are dead correct.

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Seems like I saw something about all this on Twitter...

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I feel the same about this as the Dino BBQ article- I can't decide for certain one way or another what I think about either location choice. On the other hand, I'm confident both new tenants will greatly improve both the appearance of their buildings, and more importantly the amount of people going to their buildings.

I think it's safe to say is that panera will get this place looking a lot better than it does now- i'm sure we can expect a patio, more attractive signage, and a little overdue maintainance on the side parking lot, at a minimum.

I know it leaves a bad taste in some people's mouths here, but it's nice to finally see a few new chains coming into the city!

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This is great for Elmwood. There are people in this world who do not like to try new things and a lot of people love Panera. If people are thinking about coming down to shop and know that a place they enjoy is down there then its a win win.

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What's the difference between a "good chain" and a "bad chain" in your eyes?

From what I often see on BR, it seems like it just comes down to local ownership, or the perception of such. Mighty Taco good, Dinosaur bad. Spot good (even though it's not locally owned), Panera Bread bad.

How far away much a chain be to be "bad?" If you're against Dinosaur because they're from Syracuse, and therefore not local, would you balk at a Gimme Coffee from Ithaca in Allentown? An Aladdin's Eatery from Cleveland on Elmwood? Do Canadian-owned chains get a pass, as it appears from the positive reception Coffee Culture, Tim Horton's, and Spot usually receive?

If you're against out-of-town chains in Buffalo, would you boycott Delta Sonic if you have to fill your tank and get your car washed in Chicago, because they're not local? How about Chocolate Bar in Louisville? Tuxedo Junction pretty much anywhere?

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Well said, Dan.

I've made similar points about big inconsistencies in trying to say these 3 all at once - (a) people here should always buy from Buffalo-based businesses whenever it's possible, (b) people everywhere should always buy from locally-based businesses whenever it's possible, (c) yay-hooray-cheer when Buffalo-based businesses have a lot of customers in other places as do for example Dunn Tire, Perry's Ice Cream, New Era Cap, First Niagara, and countless others.

If some people want to advocate (a) and (c) of the above but not (b), then they can at least be logically consistent in a Buffalo-first (lower case f) way I've compared to tribalism. But if anyone tries to claim that combination is a truly buy-local viewpoint, then it looks like hypocrisy.

On a side note, however -
note that very few comments in this thread are anti-chain - perhaps only Travelrrr, maybe a few others but not much at all. Even Lukia wrote some favorable things about the idea of big chain Panera opening somewhere in the city, but she seems to have a soft SPoT in her heart about a certain chain she may have mistakenly thought was an indy, and just didn't like the thought of Panera next door to it.

The overall reaction - perhaps contrary to what you said you "often see on BR" in the past - is overwhelmingly positive and welcoming about this new Panera. Perhaps public attitudes here are shifting.

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I don't think attitudes are shifting. People have personal preferences for chains whether they be local, regional, or national. Panera seems to be popular at the moment and their presence may spur other businesses on Elmwood to step up their game. Others, like Wal-Mart, have built a history of negative publicity and are unpopular in many areas of the country.

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Paul, that's a good point that chains have been pretty popular all along or else they couldn't have become successful chains in the first place. An argument could even be made that Walmart is popular. The 24-hour one they opened here at Sheridan-Bailey last year is often very busy, even being so close to other retail alternatives.

I suppose my reply to Dan was more applicable to what he wrote that he "often sees on BR" - pointing out to him that the overwhelming response even on BR about this Panera has been positive & welcoming. The Dino BBQ response on here was also.

So I'll revise that to - perhaps blog commentariat attitudes are shifting on here, at least a bit.

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You can call it "tribalism" if you like, but it is a fact that money spent in a locally-owned establishment stays in our own community much longer than money spent in a corporate chain. For those who want to see a strong local economy, spending money at locally-owned institutions is a way to contribute to that.

Personally, my take on your three cases goes like this. I advocate A and B with a fall-back position of C.

A) I prefer to shop at locally-owned institutions because it is good for Buffalo. I prefer my money to go to my neighbors so they can reinvest it locally.

B) When I am traveling somewhere, I like to support their local businesses, and I hope the locals support their locally-owned businesses. Part of this is because of a desire to experience the local flavor that I can't get here, and part of it is because I believe that strong local economies are simply better for people than consolidated economies where everyone shops at a single corporation like Walmart.

C) For me, B takes preference over C, but if someone in Pittsburgh has a choice between buying from a corporation headquartered in Houston and a company from Buffalo, I would be happy for the Buffalo company to get the business. That's good for Buffalo, even if it's not so good for Houston. Too bad; I live in Buffalo. But if there was a locally-owned business in Pittsburgh, I think Pittsburghers would be better off supporting that business than a Buffalo-owned one.

Some of these motivations have clear economic justification, and some I admit are more of an aesthetic choice, in that I prefer the diversity, community-focus, and even the idiosyncrasies of small local businesses to the bland homogeneity of large corporate chains.

But I don't see them as essentially hypocritical at all.

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js - the outlook your comment describes isn't what I compared to tribalism, and you misdescribed what my comment had referred to as (c).

I clearly wasn't referring to people who cheer about Pittsburgh customers buying from a Buffalo-based business in preference to a business from some other distant place like Houston. That kind of thing is 6 of 1 vs half dozen of another.

Let's use the example of Perry's Ice Cream which is often praised.

The combo my comment referred to was for example any so called buy-local advocates who also feel it's great when Perry's grows jobs in WNY by selling to customers in NJ, MA, PA, VT, VA, and Ohio….
http://www.perrysicecream.com/perrys-ice-creams-zero-visibility-honors-35th-anniversary-of-the-blizzard-of-77/
"Perry’s has maintained one of the most modern, state-of-the-art production facilities in the country to produce over 13 million gallons per year of great tasting ice cream, one batch at a time. With over 300 employees, Perry’s sells and distributes to New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Western Pennsylvania, Vermont, Virginia and Northeast Ohio."

Difficult to believe that none of NJ, MA, PA, VT, VA, and Ohio have more locally-owned makers of good ice cream, so wouldn't a truly buy-local attitude be unhappy about Perry's job growth here by selling in those places?

Those who praise Perry's success (not saying you do, btw) while also saying Buffalonians should buy-Buffalo whenever it's at all possible seems a combination that's much more like just "strong loyalty to one's own tribe, party, or group" rather than a buy-local belief, no?

Other examples are those my comment listed and Dan's too. First Niagara is a well known one - growing office jobs at their parking-convenint Larkin HQ which support their expansions into other states, etc.

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I think the restaurants will be able to coexist. Typically, people coming down to Elmwood aren't looking to dine at a chain.
However, if the chain brings down different people, that are not currently visiting Elmwood, and these chain people purchase an item from a local retailer while their on Elmnwood,then it's a plus.

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Globe blows Panera clear out of the water in every way shape and form. Would have enjoyed a local upstart to take over that prime Elmwood spot.

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Wow! This is fantastic news. Not because I necessarily want to see chains coming to Elmwood, but I think a chain like this gives some credibility and familiarity to out of town visitors and suburban dwellers, both of which are critical to the continued success to Elmwood and the local businesses that thrive there.

These businesses can absolutely co-exist, as long as there's a clear differentiation between them. Dolci = sweets, Spot = coffee and snacks, Panera = bread. That seems like not only a differentiation from my point of view, but also a complementary offering to nearby residents.

Blockbuster has been an eyesore for years. Panera will offer a much more aesthetically pleasing environment and will likely encourage additional growth on the street. Really exciting for the community.

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Won't the addition of Panera and the 6-story apartment building across the street basically remove all of the extra, free, off-street parking from Elmwood Ave.?

It is a great thing that it is difficult to find parking on Elmwood (it shows how popular and vibrant this area is, but the free parking lot next to Globe Market is great and now it is going to disappear!

It's hard enough to find a place to park now WITH this lot. How will it be without it? (And I'm pretty sure Panera, with their re-build will both remove some of the parking spots the lot next to them has AND will probably limit those spots to ONLY customers of their business.) What will all the suburbanite/out-of-town Christmas shoppers do?
Probably go to the mall once they can't find a convenient place to park on Elmwood.

Maybe I'm being negative.

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I agree. I will miss Blockbuster as well. I have blockbuster online and it is a great convenience to be able to return my movies at a brick and mortar location. Since I do not have digital cable and cannot watch movies on demand, this is my best option. Redbox is too pricey for the time that I like to keep my movies.

Spot is not a chain. They were a locally owned business for many years, with several locations, and they were taken over by a canadian company when Mike and Sally skipped town. They did not come in to a neighbourhood and drive out other business. My issue with panera is that it is the fast food version of a cafe. It is geared toward suburbanites and whenever an area starts to cater to people from outside the gentrification begins. There is a difference between drawing customers from outside the neighbourhood with great business ideas and just catering to those outside customers by putting up stores that they have near then already. Elmwood avenue is not the mall, so why do we need to get stores that make it feel like a mall. Consumers need to move out of their boxes when going to another area to shop.

When my husband and I go on vacations to Toronto, or elsewhere, we like to try new places. Local places. If there is a McDonald's or panera, we skip them to try the local version of that product. Why can't the suburbanites do the same when they come to the city? I don't get it. You can go to Sheridan or the boulevard to eat at panera, when you come to the city you should be looking for something new and different.

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"when you come to the city you should be looking for something new and different."

That's what's wrong with the whole mentality.

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What is wrong with that mentality? What is the point of visiting a new place if you are just looking for old places to go?

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Your comment sounds like something a group of 30-something suburban soccer moms would say: "Let's go into the .CITY. and grab lunch, shop some, and maybe even see some homeless people begging for change".

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They do say that. And do that. And they should try something new when they come to the city. If they want panera they can stay in the suburbs.

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Both Spot Coffee and Blockbuster are in the suburbs too. So I don't really understand why a Panera replacing a Blockbuster kills any authentic city vibe.

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