City July 26, 2012 12:30 AM

Beautiful Historic Home Looking for Caring New Owner

Beautiful Historic Home Looking for Caring New Owner

A beautiful, city-owned home is getting a shot at a second chance this week as demolition has been halted for thirty days in an attempt to find a qualified buyer. David Torke of fixBuffalo sat down with Al Steele of the demolition crew and Commissioner James Comerford yesterday in an attempt to save this stately home at 557 East Utica Street.

There has been an incredible amount of investment in the surrounding area as people have begun to recognize the history and integrity of the rich building stock. Many of the homes on East Utica and those that line Humboldt Parkway, just steps away, have been lovingly maintained and/or restored, which all adds up to a strong sense of place.

The fantastic pink house to the left of 557 has a very caring owner; you couldn't possibly ask for a better neighbor. When she purchased the home it was in almost the exact same state as 557, but it's now the pride of the street. These projects are not impossible, they just take someone who can see past the dirt and problems to the gem underneath. 557 is a fantastic example of one of these gems because it has a newer roof, a high level of original integrity on the exterior and interior, and is dry as a bone throughout.

David also spoke with Julian Adams of the State Historic Preservation Office (SHPO) for his opinion on the home. The following is courtesy of David's post, which can be seen here. "557 is an outstanding example of how bold forms and ornament can make a house standout in a neighborhood," said Julian, "The bold broken and scrolled swan's neck decoration in the third floor gable reflects both the colonial revival style of the period as well as the exuberance of the time in which it was constructed.  It adds a grace note to the street, being both a singular presence and part of a stronger historic neighborhood."

Dana Saylor of Old Time Roots, David, and I are currently researching the building to tell the story behind this wonderful home. If you are interested in more information and checking the house out, contact David Torke at davidtorke@gmail.com.


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With the description you give it just underlines in bold the mysterious nature of the city demo list. Does it havae any logic at all?

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This is an extraordinary house in a great neighborhood. Someone save it. I would if I lived in Buffalo.

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What's the asking price and does the vacant lot come with the property?

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This house should not be demolished. Bring in habitat for humanity! A crew of volunteers should at least be able to preserve the house for more than 30 days.

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Every year when I volunteer for Habitat they tell us that they have no shortage of houses to choose from. The problem is they are not big enough to tackle every house that is offered to them.

The other issue is the amount of work that must go into these houses will far exceed the market value of these houses thus limiting the potential development/rehab possibilities. I know this is a maybe a harsh reality but the financials are probably just not there.

That being said, it will cost the city so much to demo the house, estimates I've heard are about 40K per house. What may help to attract investment dollars are a matching program where the city will match up to $20K at a rate of $1 for every $3 invested into the property. This would give you $80K in rehab dollars $60 of which is private and may have a chance of getting your investment back. You could then forgive recapture for every year of ownership (thus eliminating flippers but oking investment ownership). The City saves $20K in demolition costs.

The last part of this program would have to be writing off past taxes and or liens on the property. We need to stop burdening new owners with the sins of past owners. You've taken the house - that is your collateral. Get a civil order against the former owners if you still want the uncollected revenue, but it is probably a waste of time and money.

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MikeN you point to a real need and reality of rehabbing/or restoring properties in buffalo's more distressed neighborhood. I was able to rehab an 1882 carriage house which managed to get saved one-half hour before the demo wrecking ball. The process through the city was really fast since I could document the resources and a plan to rehab it. But I was uncomfortable using my credit lines and preferred to go through a mortgage rehab loan. This took almost two years to finalize the mortgage. My credit history was not the issue, the issue was the difference between the appraised value after rehab and the estimated cost from the licensed contractor to complete the rehab. I still do not know how the bank came up with a $50,000 appraised value, but without that estimate, there was no way the bank would move forward. Plus I had to document that I could come up with the funds to make the differential between the $50,000 and the $75,000 estimate from the contractor.

Having some sort of program that you suggest would really facilitate rehabbing pre-1920 houses in the city. A lot of these houses are built with far better materials and craftsmanship than current houses being built. More thinking outside the box and creative approaches would really help move the city in the forefront of creative neighborhood revitalization.

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Are there any contractors out there willing to comment? What do you think the total dollar figure would be to totally redo this place? It looks to be in really bad shape. Given the location, would it be worth it to sink big time bucks into a total rehab?

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I've remodeled my whole house and work part time with a friend of mine who own's his own reno company and I can tell you that it all comes down to the roof. If the roof is in good shape it keeps the water out which can cause thousands in damage. But from the pictures the house still looks plum, there no sagging in any spots. That being said if you had someone with enough "gumption" they could probably reno this place for around 20-30k. That being said it wouldnt be a high end reno, that would just be the bare minimum, but it would def be a livable house.

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Man, that's really optimistic for the whole house. My new roofs (both house and garage, total tear-offs) ran me almost $18,000.00). Looks like you're going to need a few windows as well.

replied to Up and coming
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You have to keep in mind that my estimate was for someone who does most of the work themselves and does things on the cheap (but not cheaply done), ie patching the roof. Plus, if you only replace the windows which arent there, you're probably looking at another 5k. So the roof and windows can be done for 5k. Then that leaves 25k for cleaning new porch steps and materials for inside, ie drywall, painting, new sink toilet etc.

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I've gutted and remodeled two homes by myself to date (I've worked on countless others). Depending on your tastes you can get this done doing the majority of the work yourself for as little as $50k. A couple things worth spending the extra money on to sub out would be drywall finishing, the roof, and glass block basement windows. If the roof only has one layer you can go over it which will save some money.

Plumbing is quite easy to do yourself if you don't mind bypassing the inspection/permit process. Anyone can run all new pex waterlines. Those materials would be well under $1k to redo the whole house as opposed to copper. Replacement windows are extremely easy to install too. I assume there's hardwood floors so resanding those is fairly cheap to do yourself too. If you're savvy enough or know someone in the HVAC biz you can buy a new 90% efficient furnace for around $800 and it's not difficult to swap out assuming the ductwork is in tact and sufficient.

Those are most of the big ticket items that I have personally done many times without much help and saved thousands. But like others have said it comes down to purchase price. I can just see the city wanting fair market value for a house that nearly cost them $40k to demo.

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90% efficient furnace for $800?!? Where? I've got estimates for $5,000 - $7,000 to replace my furnace. It's a boiler I need as I have radiators.

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I got one for free at 557 East Utica Street a few weeks back. You just need to hunt around for them, Dr.

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That's actually pretty funny (in that twisted Karl Malone sort of way)

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A layperson can't just go buy one from an HVAC distributor but if you have a friend in the biz that can buy it on your behalf then it's possible. I have two 90% furnaces in my house that I installed. A neighbor of my parents used to run Northeast Distribtors on Walden and would sell them to my brother and I. A Payne brand 90% was around $800. Obviously that does not include any ductwork or installation. Depending on the brand, BTU's, accessories, etc., the price will likely vary and can be much more.

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There isn't enough information but one can guess not even being a contractor. Is the plumbing there? Does it work? What shape is the electrical? Furnace or boiler and is it there? Hot water tank? Right there you are talking at minimum $5K. Roof $5-20K. Porch another $5K-7K. Trees in the foundation - ouch.

Whats the purchase price of the house? If its anymore than $1 forget about it. Guarantee the city wants its deferred tax revenue. Yes you have the land value but you have a dilapidated house which may need to be dozed to offset the land value.

I would say the roof isn't all that new as stated judging by the big whole in the photo.

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As MikeN stated there are many unknowns here but I think it is safe to say this house would require at least 50K to make livable and closer to 100K to complete. This is assuming most of the work would be performed by the owner. I would guess the plumbing, electrical, and heating system would need to be replaced or at the very least upgraded. The house is probably not insulated and also appears to need door and window replacement and or repair. On the interior the woodwork, plaster, and floors would need attention including the removal of modern materials and restoration of the original fabric. That said the house appears to be structurally sound and the exterior millwork is remarkably intact. I think this is doable by the right person and has the potential to be a very attractive home.

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Take all the negative out and assume the plumbing and electrical still work and youre looking at half that estimate. But, it's probably safe to say the water heater and furnace are gone.

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Most likely, if the house given its size and the high probability of it being totally stripped, the cost of rehab would be over $200,000 if done by a licensed contractor. It would be lower if you have the funding in place and the skills to undertake such a rehab. But this is just speculation. An experienced contractor would need to check out the house provide estimates for the plumbing, electrical, heating, drywall, roof, insulation, etc, and permits. And, all of this will require, most likely certification of compliance or co from building inspections.

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I think it is very unlikely the electrical and plumbing systems are operable, even if the house wasn't stripped by scrappers the pipes would have froze. If the house had hot water or steam heat (common in these old victorians) these pipes would have frozen as well. The electric system is likely to be outdated loom wiring even if the service panel was updated. I have worked on houses and buildings for over 40 years, hold an engineers license, and have much experience in the nuances of older structures. I don't see doing this one for any less than my original estimate.

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To start with, this house was reported as having an asbestos roof and asbestos flooring Abatement of these materials could be in excess of $12,000, not including required air monitoring.

Most of these abandoned houses have been stripped of their copper, meaning plumbing and wiring. To bring these up to code gets very expensive, unfortunately. And when the piping gets stripped, the asbestos that used to insulate the lines usually finds its way to the basement floor. Getting that cleaned up legally can cost thousands of dollars. So right off the bat, the asbestos cleanup could be a huge chunk of anyone's budget possibly.

I would like to see a real estimate of what plumbing and new electric service would cost for a typical house not unlike 557. I for one cannot do this myself. I can do other stuff, but wouldn't dare try electrical work. And the city is supposed to inspect it all before it gets buried behind drywall.

Has anyone done this all by the book? It would be so much easier if this was Pennsylvania as far as the asbestos goes at least.

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In the past... to get National Grid to turn on the power, if it's been over a year, they want a licensed electrician to say everything is safe. This can be like writing a blank check to the electrician. He has final say, and he's also the one telling you what needs to be done.

It's in these details where the rehab of this type of property becomes prohibitive. If you have the ambition, skill, and money to make a profit on this type of project, it's likely you can get a much higher rate of return on your time doing something else.

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New York State permits home owners to do their own abatement of asbestos. I would not recommend the average person tackle pipe insulation but asbestos floor tile, siding, and roofing can all be safely handled with some education and a common sense approach.

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That's correct. It's not very difficult or dangerous to remove non-friable asbestos and a homeowner can legally do this themselves though I believe a survey must be done first, which seems unnecessary because it's also legal to just put it out to the curb with regular trash!

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The law specifically states "owner occupied". You can't just own, you have to be living in. That house is not occupied by the owner. And it has to be surveyed first and then signed off by a licensed project monitor, even if the owner (if they live in the house) does it themselves.

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You are correct the home must be owner occupied but in the City of Buffalo a permit is not required unless the removal and haul out costs exceed $750. The material must be wet down and bagged, the pick up is at the discretion of the garbage crew, in any case the homeowner can bring the material to the city transfer station.

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3,072 square feet. That's a _big_ house. Think of the costs of maintaining a house of that size. Heating alone would be hundreds a month during the winter. Making a house of that size energy efficient by today's standards would take tens of thousands of dollars; insulation, roofing, new or thoughtfully rebuilt windows, an energy efficient furnace/boiler.

That's just the beginning, as others have said.

The numbers might work in a better neighborhood, but on the East Side ... well, it's going to take a very committed person to do that's needed to bring this house back to its former glory.

Set Buffalo Reuse loose, and pour out a little Genny for another fallen beauty. It's probably going to go, and whatever will replace it ... well, with residential construction costs at about $100 a square foot for something basic ... yeah, vinyl, subsidized, no regard to its context and setting. The usual.

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This home, even in its dilapidated state, still has great curb appeal – Imagine what it must have looked like 100-years ago…

However…

In all honesty, unless you locate an individual or organization that truly wants to restore this beauty into its former glory, perhaps dropping $75,000-$100,000 in renovation cost, this grand old lady will not see another year.

It is a shame that we, “collectively” could not establish a “new” sub-division with plots solely earmarked for architecturally unique homes, such as this, and have it relocated by the likes of International Chimney to this new neighborhood slowly and selectively establishing an area that would depict every type of home built throughout the history of Buffalo.

The Wilkeson-Storms House on Busti Avenue would make for an excellent example of post-civil war Italianate construction.

If you consider all of the money spent on public housing, subsidized housing, renovations to both within a decade of abuse perhaps such a scheme would not appear to far-fetched.

Unfortunately, it does have a museum-sounding quality to it that may not appeal to many and the project would only be open to those who could afford to purchase these homes after total renovation and maintain them according with perhaps some form of association fee.

Yes, I am really out on a limb; so much so, that even I could not afford to live in such a neighborhood!

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It could be a very lucrative proposition to the right person and the right time horizon (10-15 yrs) and the right person who can maintain the character of the facade and within reason the interior. Someone with a lot of money behind them and a lot of time for the investment return (i.e. equity through increasing property values and/or rents). You could create a fair amount of jobs from roofing, painting, masonry, HVAC going street to street; finish one move onto the next.

We give subsidies to commercial developers (even to ones within the Harbor district- :( ), why not residential developers. Although commercial developers invest their own money and then get tax breaks on the improved lot. The city in effect would give up half the expense of demolition (a save), and any back taxes which weren't going to be paid anyways (already 0), and then get homes back on the roles ($). Plus with a recapture you still can earn back any residual to prevent fly by nighters. Funds would be released as reimbursement.

This would also allow the city more funds to remove homes that truly need to be removed and are unsalvageable. Finding a way to put these empty lots (already bulldozed homes) to neighboring property owners would also reduce blight and save the city money in maintenance as well as tax collections. For bank owned repos its a not as easy proposition.

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Here's another angle: Why not sell it to the Freegans for $1.00? I'm sure a few of the denizens of the Birdhouse would be happy to relocate. They'd be able to make a few repairs and at least make it livable. It's not going to be San Simeon, but I'll bet the Freegans have enough sense not to poop where they eat, so to speak. Plus, one of the chicks is hot.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/06/magazine/06Squatters-t.html?pagewanted=all

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Regarding the asbestos. When I met with Al Steele and Commissioner Comerford yesterday it was reported to me that the asbestos has already been removed from the property.

The systems - electric, plumbing and heating - need to be replaced. FIgure the costs here DIY v. contrator. Same with the shell. The roof is in v. good shape, save for the new hole that demo crew punched. There was no evidence of water infiltration in the attic.

The purchase price - I would argue - is $1. If you have access to 50K, I think that would be the level the City would take seriously - please let me know. A phased in renovation, first floor then second floor is probably manageable at that price point.

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Good information, I agree the access to 50K would be enough to make this possible as long as most work was done by the owner. That said this is not just a fixer upper but would require a dedicated individual to see it through.
Also agree on the phasing, once the exterior envelope is completed the interior could be done gradually by carving out a basic living space.

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That was my budget and phasing schedule on my home. I worked my way up from the basement and now just have a few loose ends like trim paint and small finishing touches to the upstairs.

Currently I'm at $117k into my house including the $50k purchase price, tools, and other random stuff like furniture that I eventually consolidated into my monthly home equity loan.

The key is to have enough funds available to make it liveable to a point where you can get a home equity loan/line of credit from a bank to finish all the loose ends. That's why the location makes this one difficult as you may end up upside down on the value/debt. However if you're looking for a permanent home or long term investment it makes more sense.

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Same here, I purchased my condemned house for 5K and took a home equity line of 50K against the two family home I was living in. My house was a complete gut restoration, the exterior took about a year and included rip off roof, reconstructed cornice, new windows, and the complete replacement of all exterior millwork and clapboard.
The interior took another four years to complete and included all new mechanicals, insulation, drywall, and stripping and reinstalling woodwork.
I moved into the upstairs using a bedroom as a living room, the downstairs was a shell with the exception of a basic kitchen. I worked room by room to complete the first floor using temporary partitions to contain the work area.
Still working on the project and I would estimate I have spent about 70K to date.

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These are all great experience in rehabbing older houses. In my case, not having the skills, I had to go the licensed contractor route. But even so, I was fully aware of the importance of phasing in and focusing first on livability and getting the infrastructure and structure up to code. And, my total estimate to date is around $125,000. Had I the skills to do it myself it would have been closer to $40,000.

But as MikeN points out, the city and community developers need to start focusing on a policy to facilitate and creative approaches to make rehabbing older houses in the more distressed parts of the city reasonable and attractive. This house is a jewel, the street looks stable, hopefully, someone will see the potential and rehab it. But taking on a project of this nature will take a true dedicated individual, not an investor looking to make a return. Eventually, the neighborhood could make a comeback and a return could be made, but not in the near future.

My rehab project for me is profitable since with all the expenses, it is still less in terms of monthly expense that I was paying for rent, that kept going up each year.

The dialogue on this has been great. Hopefully, the more dialogue can bring about a reasonable city policy for rehab older houses and make Buffalo a unique city for not just its institutional buildings but its unique neighborhood architecture.

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