City June 7, 2012 7:39 AM

The Death of the Bidwell Indie 5000 Summer Music Festival

The Death of the Bidwell Indie 5000 Summer Music Festival
My name is Brandon Schlia. I'm the President and Founder of Steak & Cake Records, a pro- local indie record label based in the village of Elmwood. Last August the label held the first annual Bidwell Indie 5000 music festival. It was the perfect end to a summer that saw the beginnings of a resurgence in our music community. The little kids were dancing, the grandparents were laughing, the bands played great and we all had an excellent time celebrating the artistry of our home town.

We had chosen that location in particular considering its proximity to our headquarters as well as its prominent visibility. Scheduling it in conjunction with the final day of the Elmwood Arts Festival also boosted the amount of random foot traffic, furthering our goal of providing maximum exposure for our well deserving local artists.

This year we got a head start on planning. Seeing that our event is funded wholly by donation, we were all very excited to make it bigger and better as a way to honor everyone who's been so generous with their contributions. I submitted all the necessary paperwork and payment to the City of Buffalo on April 21st and breathed a sigh of relief knowing that we'd have it all wrapped up early this year. On April 29th we were notified that we had been denied access to Bidwell.

This decision was allegedly based on complaints from resident(s) that we were illegally selling alcohol and that we'd breeched our permit time. However, both of these accusations are wholly untrue. We didn't sell anything at the event and we were done well in advance of our permitted time. If there was any merit to their claims you might assume there'd be some sort of police involvement. That day, one officer stopped by early on to check our paperwork, and that was that.

We were shocked. We requested a formal meeting with the Parks and Recreation Department's Deputy Commissioner. At the very least we sought to clear our name and restore an accurate representation of who we are, what we do, and why we do it. The response back was: "The decision from the committee is final - you cannot have your event at Bidwell Park this year." We weren't even granted the chance to discuss the misinformation. We were all very disappointed in such a blatant lack of professionalism. If it were the case that the residents of the parkway were unanimously against the event, then we'd be glad to respect their wishes and cease proceedings. However, it seems more than likely these complaints were lodged by a singular source with some strings to pull. Unfortunately we'll never know the specifics due to their unwillingness to sit down together.

We're a community conscious organization. This winter we held a fundraiser for the Buffalo Public School's "Let the Band Play On Campaign" because we believe in investing in a good foundation for the future artists of Buffalo. We host our summer festival for one reason only, to provide a clear channel between our underground talent and the everyday citizen. It costs nothing to attend, there aren't any vendors competing for your dollars. It's all about the music and the city for us and it always will be; if only they'd allow us to do what we do best.

I want everyone who donated and supported us to know that we wanted to give you another Bidwell Indie 5000. We wanted it to be bigger and better than last year and it could have been but the powers that be have decided otherwise. We will continue to plan events but as of right now we haven't decided what's next. If you have any questions or suggestions please email us at steakandcakerecords@gmail.com.

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Nothing like grumpy nattering farts imposing their ideals on everyone else. Here's a hint: Do. It. Anyway.

Screw them.

Why the hell do we need permission to enjoy ourselves on some grass in the middle of a city?

And this year, sell some alcohol.

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But the m&t concerts are ok and all the open alcohol container that follows? I'm pissed this happened to you and while I won't name names I'm sure you known who was doing the complaining and I'm pretty sure his goal in life is to get a 10 foot fence around bidwell some can enjoy it all to himself and to keep "those people" out of the park

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Friends of bidwell parkway's Facebook page actively discourages use of the park

replied to NorthBuf
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Do you have a link to the page, it would be interesting to check out.

replied to NorthBuf
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Oh man I actually used to hang out with that guys son, Josh. He seems like a well intentioned person, but he def needs the have the stick removed from his ass, or maybe thats where he likes it, you never know?

replied to LouisTully
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Those are some very dedicated dorks - Christopher Guest style.

This Bruce Sanders guy actually took photos of strangers sleeping in a park and posted them online. That is extreme behavior in my book. I cannot understand that.

"Bruce Sanders
Got up at 6:45 this morning to let the dogs out. As usual the farmers were setting up aver an hour before the permit allows the market to open. Icing on the cake was the two slobs that slept in the parkway overnight. Called the police non-emergency number."

Unbelievable.

And of course he's wearing a boater hat.

replied to LouisTully
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Recognizing that practicalities are what they are, their declaration that the decision is 'final' is questionable, and a challenge.

That they say there is no appeal does not make that so; have you checked out the regs of Parks and Recreation? Or of the City Charter generally as to a procedure, which may not even specify appeals for this, but which may apply more generally? For that matter, it seems like something that you could apply to be heard at Common Council or the like.

You may lose, this appears to be an insider thing. But ... a) you'd be surprised what having to rule (IOW, commit to paper) does to a bureaucrat, and b) figuring out and making available a simple go-by as to the appeal rules would be a service to anyone who ever has to deal with this.

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Brandon, I hope you sent this to the Buffalo News and other media outlets. I used to think bringing awareness to BS like this got you nowhere but I was pleasantly surprised earlier this year when some local concert promoters successfully achieved the ability to put on concerts on the outer harbor after the NFTA initially denied them. I believe the decision was reversed due to such an outpouring of complaints to the NFTA by people who wanted to see the concerts happen.

Good luck, sometimes the city and its citizens can't get out of their own way. I bet if you had jazz bands it would be ok, in fact you should re-apply under that pretense and another name to see what happens.

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I agree-just do it.

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What people don't realize is that Bidwell Parkway is actually Bruce Sanders' back yard. Its his own private property. It seems anyways.

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Any only his friends are allowed to play in the park.

replied to townline
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Wow, I just checked out th FB page and can't even begin to wrap my head around that guys arrogant attitude. I mean I understand being pissed about litter and people sleeping in the park overnight but according to him it's not a park but a parkway and people shouldn't be allowed to congregate there at all. He was even mad that the Farmer's Market was setting up an hour earlier than their permit allowed. Seriously? [although we believe that you are not placing a threat here we have removed language which suggest a threat of personal harm] I think he thinks it's like 1905 still according to his rants.

replied to townline
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Some of his quotes:

"As usual the farmers were setting up aver an hour before the permit allows the market to open",

"Of course, it would be nice if some of the people who think of the parkway as a park would be a little more considerate."

"Just saw an article in Buffalo Rising about Steak and Cake Records planning an August music festival in Bidwell Parkway called the “Bidwell Indie 5000.” I wonder if they have an event permit? I wonder if the City of Buffalo will inform Bidwell residents and seek input if Steak and Cake applies for a permit?" -From last May 2011

Brandon I think this is your culprit. Maybe you should dress like Colonel Sanders and challenge him to a gentlemens duel, but not in the park, people shouldn't gather in a park.

replied to townline
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Yet he busts a complete nut for the M&T concert series which is probably the most disruptive and destructive thing that part of Bidwell sees yearly. Basically if the participants drink wine the event is ok, if they favor beer they are not welcomed

replied to brownteeth
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I noticed he condemns alcohol in the park but then mentions providing wine to his friends cleaning up the garden at the park (parkway).

Like I said Brandon, have a friend pull the permit under the guise of a jazz concert benefitting civil war reenactments and see what happens, I bet he will praise you on FB.

I wish I had spare money to apply for random event permits at Bidwell just to make this guy mad. Like a hackeysack tournament or a camping tent exposition, or a protest to protest against protesting in Bidwell Park.

replied to NorthBuf
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If you guys only knew where he worked and what he did there; the irony is amazing!

replied to brownteeth
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Public Affairs for the Army Corp of Engineers? I'm missing the irony

replied to 14213
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It's his job to have a positive rapport with the public? No? Not even a smirk?

replied to NorthBuf
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Ah, I got it! I'm a little slow sometimes, well.. most of the time

replied to 14213
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What a d-bag that man is! His posts on Facebook are nauseating.
Best of luck to you, Brandon. Clearly Mr. Sanders has nothing better to do than show up at hearings that pertain to his "front yard."

replied to townline
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Who pays for the maintenance of the Parkways? So, it's a public park, correct? Screw 'em. Have the concert at Days Park, I'll welcome you with open arms.

Brownteeth,,,

I'm going back to bed. Your last comment was the highlight of my day.

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That would be a nice space for it.

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Bruce Sanders:

"Thanks to the patron(s) of Elmwood Taco and Subs who left their garbage all along Bidwell Parkway last night. m A special thanks to the cretin who decided to splatter my car with his drink and leave the cup on my lawn."

"Got up at 6:45 this morning to let the dogs out. As usual the farmers were setting up aver an hour before the permit allows the market to open. Icing on the cake was the two slobs that slept in the parkway overnight. Called the police non-emergency number."

What a miserable old man. I bet he yells at the paperboy when his paper isn't there in time for his coffee.

I say we make him the d-bag of the week.

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LOL...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7szlXJzKxRs
Here is a hilarious example.

Fast forward to 3:30 for Frasier's speech.

replied to LouisTully
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Hilarious. You're right. We should appreciate the entertainment value by fanatics like this nut.

replied to Captain Picard
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This is messed up. I had a lot of fun last year.

Brownteeth - good find! I hate people like this, unfortunatly they have nothing better to do than to rain on people's parades.

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Ironic that the Dept. Parks Commish is a musician himself, but also one of the most arrogant, pompous (D)efensive (B)acks on the face of the planet.

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I say instead of a Flash Mob have a Flash Concert.

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Brandon:

Don't take no as an answer. After reading the Friends of Bidwell facebook page, it seems the only reason Bruce Sanders' requests are answered is because he is a squeaky wheel - an uber-annoying squeaky wheel. Call your councilman, call the city, get a petition out. He, nor any Bidwell residents, own the Parkway. I'm sure there are plenty of nuisances to living there; however it's their choice. And if you ask me, after seeing how warm of an individual he is, he's being treated how he treats those who have a >right

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It's clear that he thinks it's his park and the immediate residents of the park(way) and absolutely no one else's. I completely understand getting upset about the litter and vandalism but he seems to be unreasonable when it comes to any younger person using the park for anything. To me he loses credibilty when he complains because people are using the park for hackey sack. While hackey sack is obviously lame, they have a right to be lame in the park.

replied to LouisTully
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You too far calling Hackey Sack lame.
Call parks and tell that patronage pit you want an explanation. Sounds like laziness and buck-passing to me. I'm telling you that the person you spoke with is not a nice reasonable dude, anyone who has worked under him almost universally reviles him. He's a politically connected hack with a forestry degree. A smart guy actually, but a dismissive jerk who looks down his nose at anyone he feels isn't worth his time. Keep swinging the hammer and something may crack.

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To each their own, but isn't that the point Mr. Sanders cannot comprehend?

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"go" too far. sorry

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i feel like there might be something else being left out here. is it really all about one cranky grinch that has power over the city? or did something happen at last year's concert that gave the event a black eye?

I didn't go to the concert and I don't know Mr. Sanders or what he does, so this is just an honest question...

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I don't care one way or the other about this event, nor am I speaking for any other neighborhood residents, but the clean-up (or lack thereof) after this event last year was particularly disappointing. I understand that a few bad apples shouldn't spoil the event for everyone, but nobody wants to be picking up garbage all over their lawns and street, nor is it enjoyable to see the parkway littered like that, either.

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Buffalo's park and parkway system is one of the best remaining jewels in it crown. That being said my question is ,Did you leave the area the way you found it? Did you police the area up properly at the end of the event? (I.e. big black trash bags and volunteers). It doesn't matter whether or not you sold anything. Crowds litter. Most cities would require a small bond be posted. Clean up , you get your money back. Don't clean up, the city does it and charges.

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I love all of you very much. Thanks for making me smile. He is a huge tool. Will all of you marry me and move to Utah?

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Um...well, could I at least try your lasagna first--?

replied to lauras
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In response to your questions about the condition of the park post-event, I can assure that it was cleaned up. I went through the entire parkway with a team of people, cleaning up any and all remaining trash which we then deposited in the city approved receptacles and moved them to the proper place for pickup. I find CGirl's comment particularly curious considering that I saw, with my own eyes, a perfectly clean parkway. I was motivated to be tediously thorough as I'd been so grateful for use of such a nice space.

If the park had been in a dire state following the event then I'm sure the city would have used that as a means to bar us from holding another festival. However, their complaints were in no way related to any sort of left-over mess. The reason being, there was no mess. They made mention of two specific, albeit false, claims and indicated nothing otherwise.

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Agreed...first of this guy does sound like his is wayyy to tightly wound (especially for being from Brooklyn)..BUT..this seems to be a "owners" in the neighborhood vs. "non-owners" in the neighborhood. I don't know what Indie is and I am all for a festival..but it seems to me that this place was a mess afterwards. His facebook page and some of the comments above definately make it seem like its steak and cakes own fault.

I would never buy a house on Bidwell Parkway..100's of thousands of dollars infront of a historic parkway thats consistenly full of litter, miscreants smoking pot,people constantly brown bagging it (concert or not) and bums sleeping overnight? I'm liberal but good god..you can't disagree with this guy that there is absoluetly no excuse for a majority of what goes on in the parkway.

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so it sounds like the last time they had this Indie concert, they left a huge mess along the parkway. If that's true then I guess there is plenty of reason for denying them a repeat this year.

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Kudos to bruce for standing up for the rights of property owners on bidwell pkwy. A concert of this magnitude should take place in a city park (lasalle? Delaware?) and not on what is essentially dozens of property owners front lawns. Far too many people seem to forget that bidwell is a residential area and the lack of respect for the adjacent properties is mind boggling. I completely understand that someone who chooses to buy/live there should not expect a pastoral experience -- it's a vibrant, bustling area with a public green space steps from your door -- however they should not have to tolerate people using their property as a garbage can or bathroom, which happens all too often. The fewer "organized" events on bidwell the better...

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What property owner right is this Bruce Sanders character standing up for??

replied to rayzor
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Every Olmsted parkway in the city is located in a residential area... to be used by the residents of the CITY, not just the people fortunate enough to own property adjacent to it.

If you don't like it, move.

Sell me your house. We'll pay cash. I just sent Sanders a message on Facebook offering him cash for his place. First one of you on Bidwell who can no longer stand living near such horror can get my direct contact information from the publisher of this fine blog.

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You have over $300,000 cash to pay for a house?

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We do.

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Sanders is now whining on his Facebook group about "threats" against him... what a tool.

The equally crazy Melanie Gregg is also a part of that group... I noticed this little gem from her:

"I saw a rat on Brantford Place last night; I've never seen a rat in our neighborhood before. Please, neighbors...clean up dog waste and put your garbage in the cans provided. I don't want to see another rat in this neighborhood, again."

We do have our share of neighborhood Nazis, don't we? You'd think people like those two would have all moved to the suburbs and their fascist embrace of its totalitarian "civic" associations by now...

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City residents and homeowners really can't catch a break on this site. If someone doesn't keep their property up to BRO standards, the site finds it acceptable to post a picture for all to critique and ridicule. Yet, this woman takes care of her property and the fact that she wants to keep rats away makes her a crazy fascist. Sorry, but if not wanting rats and garbage all over my lawn and neighborhood makes me a Neighborhood Nazi, then so be it. Please feel free to post your address so that my friends and I know where to throw our trash next time we're walking around.

Wanting to live in the city and enjoying a clean neighborhood are not mutually exclusive.

replied to osirisascending
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A couple of rats are not a problem and are a typical urban phenomena. We had rats (thought us attempting to leave birdseed in the garage) and a couple snap traps took care of teh problem. We didn't need to make crazy proclamations online about the issue, we dealt with it

replied to CGirl
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Well, as I haven't seen her exact comment, I will just say from the context posted here, it doesn't sound like a crazy proclamation to ask that neighbors remember to pick up trash, etc. in order to mitigate a rat situation.

And for the record, I've lived in the city for 9 years and I have seen exactly one rat. So obviously some places are managing to avoid this typical urban phenomena.

replied to NorthBuf
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So perhaps you should read it in it's proper context before coming to the defense of an obviously crazed woman?

replied to CGirl
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you people are pretty damn ignorant and really shallow with these comments. Bruce isn't a tool or a d-bag and it's not surprising that people come to such conclusions after ZERO research. Oh yeah? Your copied Facebook posts are supposed to prove something? Let's go ahead and make your posts public and pick on petty things you "believe" in. Not to mention how absurd it is that someone actually went as far as posting his home address. I assure you if anything happens at his house, this whole "internet" thing might be a nice paper trail as to whom to look for.

Give us your address. We'll come set up camp for a huge turnout in front of your house and leave a huge mess and disrupt the peace of a residential area. Who's cleaning it up? Who's responsible for the teardown after the setup?

Don't come sit here online behind the safety net of your computer screen. You people are pathetic cowards.

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Listen, champ. The internet isn't some sort of private domain. He posted something on facebook which is open for anyone to see, and he should realize that before hitting 'post'. Kinda like phone books... ya know, it lists people by name and displays their address and phone number.

If you read his posts, BS references the "quiet on Bidwell" quite a few times. He even uses the metaphor of a cancer patient in remission in more than one instance. Seems to me if it really were quiet on Bidwell, General D. Bidwell here wouldn't have anything to whine about.

replied to shazamank
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I do appreciate the proper use of the possessive your.

If anything happened to his house? So his address being posted on here is some sort of breech of privacy, though in 15 seconds a person's address can be found in a phone book or the City's property information site?

Our posts are public. You didn't have to pay to see this page, right? Bruce puts himself in the line of fire, and frankly, it sounds like he likes the attention.

Give you my address? I'm not stupid, the internet is a scary place. But I bet it wouldn't be that hard to figure out. The "All American" isn't exactly plastered around Buffalo. btw, I live on a residential park in the city. Lots of stuff goes on. I deal with it.

replied to shazamank
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It might be interesting to get the 'slobs' take on his posting their images on the internet, while they slept. Posting his address would seem on par with posting images of people without authorization.

Call it karma, call it what you will, you choose to play in traffic sometimes you get hit.

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Wow! So many comments from folks that don't know what a parkway is...it's a vehicular thoroughfare with green space or a meridian between the two lanes. It's not a park. We have Delaware Park; LaSalle Park; MLK Park; South Park; Hennepin park to name some. We have Bidwell Parkway; Lincoln Parkway; McKinley Parkway etc. I can't help but sympathize with the homeowners/residents of Bidwell Parkway. The trash, noise and behavior of some of the people that use the green space as a park is disgusting. How many residential neighborhoods would put up with this behavior? I am appalled at the threats that appear in this discourse. One man, wanting to preserve his family's peace is being threatened. Perhaps his facebook comments are over the edge, I don't know for I haven't read them (but I will). Was he always this way or did the constant noise, litter & using his property as a toilet push him into being a "squeaky wheel?"

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Clearly its more than a no-mans land between two lanes. Its larger than some parks. But I would like to know if the city officially considers it to be a park. Is it zoned differently?

"One man, wanting to preserve his family's peace" could be a tagline to a pretty disturbing movie.

From the looks of it this Sanders guy is not your average citizen homeowner. Most people would not care or even notice that a farmers' market is setting up an hour before their permit allows. He seems too extreme which is too bad for the Friends of Bidwell. Maybe they actually had a good reason to complain about the festival but now Sanders' string of unreasonable comments discredits the whole group.

replied to IMA DIVA
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I actually agree with most of General Bruce's complaints as I deal with the same problems as a homeowner one block away from the city's busiest party district. However, I don't agree with his tact, or lack there of. It's quite clear that he is very prejudice towards any young person enjoying the green space.

Just because someone added the word "way" doesn't make this place any less of a public space to gather. That name was designated at a time when people thought morphine was a cure for alcoholism. So spare me the history lesson and scemantics.

There's just something about the way this guys attitude rubs people the wrong way. He may want to try a different tact to achieve more harmony with the people rightfully using public space.

As for the Indie 5000 concert, if the issue was trash being left behind why was that not one of the reasons cited on his rejection letter? I imagine similar problems happen after all first-time events that can easily be remedied if given the opportunity. If the residents are so opposed to concerts at Bidwell why does M&T get to put them on? It's also not a huge concert and probably draws less people than the M&T concerts.

replied to IMA DIVA
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Bottom line is that it is PUBLIC space not someones private yard. I agree that people should pick up after themselves but fact is that some don't. Do you ban them off the streets also? Every morning I clean up bottles and cups from my front lawn and street that is deposited by local bar patrons. I have people urinate in my yard on weekends. This weekend is the art festival, I'll get little sleep. I live in a city there's noise, litter, rats..... excitement, great restaurants, people. It's a trade off accept the bad, deal with it and enjoy the good.

replied to IMA DIVA
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"folks that don't know what a parkway is...it's a vehicular thoroughfare"

Wait a sec....

So you're telling me that a parkway designed in the 19th century was designed with the interests of a vehicle foremost? And designed by a guy who was dead before the vehicle truly reigned? And designed by a guy who created spaces for humans not machines?

Wow, you just BLEW MY MIND! Had no idea.

replied to IMA DIVA
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I think you're confusing vehicles for cars. A Horse drawn carriage or just a horse for that matter is a vehicle.

The parkways were designed specifically for "pleasure drives".

replied to LouisTully
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With all the talk about how cool the East Side is, why not move this to MLK Park?

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I live directly across the street from an informal neighborhood playground. The green space along Amherst St. was once the lawn of the old Public School #20. Neighborhood kids have been playing there for over 150 years, my father and grandfather played there as well as my own children. The kids can be noisy and sometimes they leave litter behind. Occasionally there is an argument or fight but for the most part the kids get along. I have never had a problem with living here, I tolerate the minor inconvenience and understand this to be part of urban life. The alternative is much worse, a neighborhood devoid of any activity or vibrancy is not healthy or desirable.

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It would be interesting to know, at what point does a festival get to the size where the City cleans up. Obviously we'd prefer to have people clean up after themselves, but for two events that occur directly in front of my property, the St. Patrick's Day Parade and the Allentown Art Festival, the city does a very good job of picking up. By 7AM Monday morning, you wouldn't know the event occurred.

The lesser attended events, with less City cleanup, are the ones that leave property owners to holding the bag (garbage bag in this case). I'd agree with your comment, some cleanup is part of being a good neighbor.

replied to Black Rock Lifer
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I cleanup the Market Square Historic District about once a week, takes about 15-20 minutes to cover the three blocks on both sides of lower Amherst street. Most of the litter comes from passing cars. We also maintain a couple of trash cans, most people use them, it is rare to see pedestrians litter. The only way to keep a neighborhood clean is by a volunteer effort, the city simply does not have the resources.

replied to benfranklin
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While I completely agree that people should be respectful wherever they are (picking up after themselves, no drugs, etc etc etc), this man surely presents himself as a pretentious d-bag. Relax, Colonel Sanders, nobody is trying to threaten your home or wellbeing. Geesh.

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The Village of Elmwood? I can see why they tossed ya.

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"UPDATE: I do not appreciate being personnaly threatened, not to I appreciate my son being brought into this. Buffalo Rising Editor Jason Powell called me and agreed that some of the posts were over the line and should be removed. I will be meeting with Buffalo Police District D. If the law allows, I will look into pressing charges against some of the threatening commenters."

This guy needs to get over himself if he is taking anything said on here that seriously... aside from the parts about him being obnoxious.

General Sanders: there are murders and drug trafficking and real problems. Please don't waste law enforcement's time with your self-righteous paranoia. Nobody really cares enough to violate your personal space; but the point is not to violate the rights of others.

As a side: aside from brownteeths OBVIOUS sarcastic "threat" where were the threats to this guy? Or his son? You mean because someone used to hang out with the kid and had non-negative things to say about him?

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Bravo! Bidwell Parkway belongs to all residents of the City of Buffalo, not just those fortunate enough own property adjacent to, or on it.

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"[although we believe that you are not placing a threat here we have removed language which suggest a threat of personal harm]"

Thank you for acknowledging my sarcasm, as it was just that. If I had had a real issue I would simply confront Mr. Sanders face to face and talk to him. Furthermore, my comment wasn't sent directly to him so there is no basis of a threat anyway, besides, I'm out of leather face slapping gloves. I was merely expressing my disdain for his arrogance and self righteousness.

Perhaps if Mr. Sanders learned to diplomatically deal with people such as this concert promoter he may realize that not everyone is trying to ruin his little utopia of a park[way]. I don't understand how you can live in such a dense urban environment and not expect/tolerate issues like these to some extent?

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I bet the comments here are only making public what has already been said privately among those who have to deal with him.

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I'd have to agree.

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Apparently, I'm going to have to start using Bidwell Parkway more frequently.

Particularly the block between Potomac and Elmwood.

With my dogs.

Maybe we'll spread out a blanket and enjoy the day.

Think I'll bring my drum too.


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About the permit denial and how it was handled -
If what Brandon's article says is the full account of reasons the city gave (not mentioning trash cleanup at all, but saying last year it sold alcohol and went past the allowed time), then the city decision makers were very unreasonable to not at least allow the event group a fair chance to formally defend themselves and refute allegations.

In hindsight, it would've been smart last year to proactively record some good video that somehow shows what time the event ended (and the completeness of trash cleanup in case that became an accusation too). Maybe it wouldn't make a difference anyhow if the city refused to reconsider, but it would be something stronger than one side's claims vs another side's.

About the Bidwell resident in question - his statements do sound like he's probably a control freak about what happens in that public space. Also he might be a jerk, but he has a right to advocate his views even if most of us disagree.

However, about posting his address in a comment here on BR - that stepped way over the line. BR was smart do delete it. The argument from Louis that the address could be easily found out in other ways isn't a good justification. Anyone who's dumb enough to do vandalism might be too dumb or ignorant to know how to find out an address even though to most of us it's easy. Yeah, they'd have to be very dumb to not figure it out, but again, inherently there's a good chance they're dumb if they'd really do anything physically against his property.

Look at it this way - what legitimate purpose is served by posting an address? How did it add anything to the debate? Seems to me it didn't at all, but potentially (even if unlikely) could help enable some harm.

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I will try to play peacemaker here. I live next to Bidwell Parkway and by the Elmwood Strip. I am attracted to the neighborhood because of the accessibility to restaurants, shopping, nightlife AND the beautiful historic homes and the Olmsted Parkway system that pretty much serves as the backbone and foundation of what became the most desirable destination for city living.

The idea that Mr. Sanders has to accept trash and people sleeping in front of his house as a precondition to living there is ridiculous. Why? Us city residents should accept what you wouldn't? Mr. Tully, you lost any credibility or legitimacy when you posted his address but refuse to do the same. Are you trying to intimidate Mr. Sanders?

Yes, it is a Parkway, not a park, not simply a street median either, but a hybrid. This particular area is literally the intersection between bars and restaurants and a beautiful well kept and proud residential street.

Both sides are right, Indie 5000 deserves some sort of explanation as to specifically why they were allowed a permit last year and not this year, how else will they know where they are deficient. Brandon asked for as much in the article. If it's the trash, let them know that.

Can this event still happen? Let's have Brandon and the organizers of this event agree to sit down with Mr. Sanders and the Friends of Bidwell and see if there's a middle ground and perhaps a working group set up by the organizers to agree to promote concertgoers pick up after themselves or agree to pick up remaining trash after the concert?

We are leterally at the intersection

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Mr Peacemaker, How do you feel about Mr Sanders photographing people sleeping in the parkway, calling them slobs and posting it on facebook? Or going up to people and video taping them http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=424036987100 while they sit in the park or play hackysack? Would you be upset about a farmers market setting up an hour before their permit allows? It sounds like you're sidestepping the extreme behavior of Bruce Sanders which is what inspired all of these comments targeting him.

If the discussion were about something other than where a man lives, posting his address would be a very strange thing to do. Bruce Sanders feels the right the videotape strangers using a public park because of his address. Sanders and his supporters see the Parkway as their front lawn. Even you wrote "people sleeping in front of his house", confusing fact that its across the street in public space.

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Mr Peacemaker, How do you feel about Mr Sanders photographing people sleeping in the parkway, calling them slobs and posting it on facebook? Or going up to people and video taping them http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=424036987100 while they sit in the park or play hackysack? Would you be upset about a farmers market setting up an hour before their permit allows? It sounds like you're sidestepping the extreme behavior of Bruce Sanders which is what inspired all of these comments targeting him.

If the discussion were about something other than where a man lives, posting his address would be a very strange thing to do. Bruce Sanders feels the right the videotape strangers using a public park because of his address. Sanders and his supporters see the Parkway as their front lawn. Even you wrote "people sleeping in front of his house", confusing fact that its across the street in public space.

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Time to set the record straight.

1. I did not oppose granting a permit for the Indie 5000 concert. I did not even know there was a concert planned. I venture to say that we may even agree on one item: the City of Buffalo permit process is defective and in need of revision and/or oversight.
2. Olmsted did not design Bidwell, Lincoln, Chapin or McKinley as parks. He designed them as park access ways to convey people to the parks. If you doubt me, go to the Olmsted Conservancy's website and read.
3. Read the City of Buffalo Charter under section dealing with parks, access ways and greenspaces. It sets out clearly what is allowed and what isn't. Before you call me a "d-bag" for insisting that laws be enforced, maybe you had better lobby the Common Council to change the laws to align with your wishes.
4. You want me to respect you and your rights? There needs to be a balance. Your right to swing your arms in public ends with my nose. You need to respect the rights of residents living adjacent to Bidwell Parkway. Don't play bongos at 2 a.m. Don't use illegal drugs and leave your works behind. Don't leave your garbage behind and expect the Mayor's Impact Team or the Olmsted Conservancy to pick up after you. Don't sleep overnight in the parkway. Don't get drunk and create a nuisance.

Despite what many of you have intimate, I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth. My wife and I sweated blood to purchase the house we live in and maintain it. Can you blame me for trying to protect what we have worked so hard for?

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I clicked on your name. I read your previous posts. And now I regret taking a civil approach to a response. You are an arrogant individual, certainly in line with what I read on FoBP's facebook. I wouldn't wish ill on a person, but I wouldn't waste sympathy either.

"Frisbee golf represents the latest idiocy to come to Bidwell Parkway--that's right I said Parkway, not Park. Bidwell is not a park. The City of Buffalo code refers to Bidwell, Chapin and Lincoln Parkways as "park access ways." They were not designed as parks by Olmsted and Vaux and given the proximity of residences, should not be used as parks.

As a long-time Bidwell resident, I am tired of event after event being held there; of large groups of unruly young people doing whatever they want in Bidwell, from playing music, to setting up grills, to consuming alcohol. Often, these inconsiderate barbarians arrive in the afternoon and stay until 10 or 11 p.m.

The real questions is: why does the City of Buffalo permit this abuse? "

You are such a miserable human, you certainly must be occasionally confused with a member of the Taliban.

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Who cares what Olmsted designed them as, that's what they're used as today, and it's one of the things to love and be proud of in this town. Would Olmsted approve? Perhaps not, but he also married his brother's widow and was also of an affluent background and lived in a time when it was alright to treat people 'below' you as if they were hackey-sackers or hipsters (for the record I'm neither, I like neither, but wouldn't care if they did their thing in Days Park across from my house; and I surely wouldn't video or antagonize any of the aforementioned).

"connecting the parks so users could travel throughout the system without leaving the park-like atmosphere. It was intended to be a relaxing experience with landscaped green spaces through populated, commercial, or industrialized areas."

OK, so how are you using the OPC definition to defend your extremism? It doesn't say anything to the effect of "travel through the parkway, do not touch or look at anything". From the organization's website it sounds like he intended it to be used exactly as it is presently used. Or do hackey-sackers not seem "relaxed" to you? From your ranting it sounds like you would prefer to live on the Scajaquada "Parkway", where the users are simply shuttled through with absolutely no chance at enjoying the remarkable environment created by a national icon.

I respect you for coming on here and reporting your position. You easily could have complained to your FoBP facebook community, or gone to the police about phantom threats.

Recently, I would get into it with neighborhood kids for cutting through my neighbor's yard from the alley behind our street. I had property vandalized and wanted to be proactive. My neighbor, a less than elderly woman, said to me that she doesn't yell at them but instead illustrates how she would feel so horrible if they were hurt from crawling under the fence or tripping on a rock in her yard. I adopted the approach. Recently the same kids I hassled let me know the neighbor who was the source of discarded tires ending up on my property.

There might not be as much good coming in as going out, but I'm happier now than I would be setting OP's for scoping the neighborhood. I would love it if more people knew about and were able to enjoy Days Park. There certainly should be a balance. But from your comments it surely doesn't sound like you have any type of open mind to anyone outside your clique.

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An Allentown Art Festival patron didn't pick up after their dog until I asked if they were going to, they played dumb, then I gave them a bag. This was on my property, not the public park across the street. I think I'm going to do my best to stand in the way of the festival getting a permit next year. Got any tips, Paladin?

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Best Buffalo Rising fight ever. I would like to recommend that this sort of discourse be promoted at least once a week. The last time a fight was this good, Al Coppola was trying to move his house and getting his feeling hurt!

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Brandon, you can put it on in my yard. I'll make batter for everyone!

And I hope I'm never wound so tightly as this guy....I can only imagine how much of his brain space is spent being negative, angry and miserable.

It'd actually be way cooler to see it somewhere like Days Park, the Elmwood Village has turned into a clique that thinks they're pretty hot stuff, but kinda a joke to us 'regular' folk that don't have $4000 mortgage payments.

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I have been enjoying this thread very much. The funniest part of the whole thing is the D-Bag's choice of screen name. Paladin? Seriously? Whose knight in shining armor are you? Lol.

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I love any outdoor music in buffalo, especially in a beautiful, yet centrally located area like Bidwell.... loved bringing my kids into my hometown and being greeted by a concert our first night... sun setting, music playing, people walking and dancing and enjoying each other's company... its why I love buffalo, o plz don't start taking that away... I cango to other cities to frown and ignore my neighbors

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I remember when the Elmwood/Bidwell area was essentially a slum, full of run-down buildings and absentee landlords,with trash & dog feces strewn everywhere. Houses were very difficult to sell - I recall a $34K house on Colonial Circle, which sat on the market forever, and one at Claremont & Potomac which had no takers at $13K . I still have the old MLS books as proof.

People such as Mr.Sanders turned it around, and they are the exact reason why the "Elmwood Village" didn't go down the drain.

The people declaring "d-bag" when they can't always do as they please just sound like petulant brats. Grow up.

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Spending alot of money on a home and keeping it up l don't preclude you from being a d-bag. He's a d-bag.

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One idea to throw out there, since Bidwell and surrounding areas have increased in home value, why doesn't the Elmwood Village Association or City levy a tax (Olmsted park tax) on the surrounding neighborhood in which the funds could be utilize to clean-up the park in a timely manner.

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Anybody wanna play hackey sack? I know a great place!

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