Kay Dara Noodle Bar
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Leave a commentIsn't it better to have an office filled with people than a struggling restaurant?
How can you possibly suggest the restaurant is 'struggling'? It's not even open yet!
nope, rather have 'activity' along the street than blank windows where people hide behind weekedays 9-5pm. More people are moving and staying downtown than ever before, time for more businesses like this to occupy the first floors and put the offices above them. THAT creates a vibrant city.
There is no lack of parking in this neighborhood - unless you need the comfort of parking in a parking lot which surrounds your destination.
It's located just inside of the distance I can walk during my lunch hour. See you in July! :)
concept sounds great and the location can be great...I just hope they can navigate and last 3 or 4 years until the medschool is finished and the rest of the new workforce to the medical campus is down there...An Additional 2000 or so people could really help this area...I like Cocco as well down the street....
note to Steele: I agree. There's enough parking nearby.
I'm excited about this place. We need good Thai and Vietnamese. Off site catering is probably aimed directly at business meetings. My bet is that the medical corridor is able to sustain this place, even before UB Medical's move boosting it in the future. Capitalizing on the lunch crowd makes a world of sense downtown, something that martini bar could never do.
"that martini bar"
You mean the place with the shark tanks? LOL!
"Somebody opens a bar with shark tanks in Buffalo" is just below "Bashar Issa proposes the tallest building in the city" on my list of Top Ten Signs of a Bubble Economy That Will Soon Burst.
please make vegetarian pho!
agree completely about the dark glass. swap it out for clear glass and you will attract more customers.
Be still my beating heart-----Two restaurants opening in the downtown area within a short period of each other. It's great that this is happening. Add the Parisian cafe opening at 537 Main, and it's great news!! Parking (really) Park in any of the lots downtown and walk a little to the restaurant. You might enjoy the walk and appreciate some of the fine architecture we have. I can walk downtown everyday and never tire of the structures. No one says you have to take the subway from Amherst or walk ten miles, but a stroll through the city can be enjoyable.
Sidewalk seating would be nice too. There's plenty of room and would certainly draw attention. I agree about the parking not being an issue. I often stop at Foit Albert and Avalon on this block during the day and rarely can't find a spot within the actual block if not right in front of where I'm going. Perhaps that was more of a problem before they revamped this block.
This could be great, Martini Bar screams trendy and amateurish, this concept says foodie, cool vibe...destination. That is what you need to to overcome questionable location/parking. Best of luck, please good wine and spirits.
Ditto the previous comments about the dark glass windows. Make them clear.
They appear to be intent on providing an excellent customer experience. Good luck!
P.S. ─ I co-sign the suggestions for clear windows.
Vietnamese, Lao, Thai, Chinese, Korean and Japanese cuisine
So who's doing the cooking? Donna Chang[stein]?
What is with the obsession with this building's dark glass? For a commercial tenant to be viable certain things must be taken into consideration that perhaps are not pleasing to everyone. Did you ever stop to think that by having dark glass on such a huge space, that it can keep air conditioning costs down by a few thousand dollars per year? The black glass on the front is stylish and complements the red terra cotta facade, and even more, keeps people from gawking at those trying to enjoy a meal. Clear glass is what was on the building when it was a commercial office building, and it looked awful. Keep focused on the positive here...that a restaurant is occupying the first floor of this gorgeous building, hopefully adding to a burgeoning block of downtown Buffalo.
Had lunch at the Pan American Grill and I'm not impressed - actually I thought it SUCKED - I don't think it will make it. Little overpriced and high classed for Buffalo especially for the lunch crowd. Drinks are very expensive - won't find too many people stopping there after work.
I mean really - Duck Confete? and Pizza's - linen napkins are a little over kill - and the bread sticks - LOL....
Well, I've eaten there and disagree with basically every comment you made.
Why are you posting this with an article on Kay Dara? There is an article for Pan Am that you could have posted this on. Shows the credibility of your comment. Try Chili's on NF Blvd.
Our office is on this block and I'm really looking forward to Kay Dara opening!
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Look at the photos and you see the problem with this space, and why it hasn't been successful.
The dark, first floor glass makes it impossible to see into the space, especially during the day.
No amount of banners and/or signage will be able to overcome this. If this restaurant is going to have a chance, the glass should be replaced with something that is clear.
People want to see other people. That's what helps make for a vibrant, successful space.
I see your point about the windows. The one thing I love about Cantina Loco is the clear windows. You walk by and can see how constantly busy it is. It grabs peoples attention.
I believe the previous restaurant went under and struggled due to service, quality of their dishes, and management. It wasn't the glass. With the correct lighting everyone and anyone will be able to see that Kay Dara is busy and vibrant (looking from outside in). Looking at the first picture above with only natural lighting coming in, you can see just fine into the remodeled space. Again with correct lighting at night this glass type will look clear. Due to the size of the storefront this glass type is need. There are a couple reasons why this tinted reflective glass will help Kay Dara. First and most important.... customers will be more comfortable. They will not have the sun shining in their face, and this high performing glass will block out most of the natural heat from the sunlight entering the restaurant again keeping the customers comfortable and happy. Second... this high performance glass will keep overhead down. Kay Dara will save huge in energy cost. This dark glass also will protect Kay Dara's furniture, floors, bar, and anything the sun's uv can reach.
Also if you know anything about advertising banners and signs are great for marketing and these banners and signs will draw customers in. Why...? because they will see the banners and signs from the road as they drive, walk, or ride by. This restaurant is in a great location and a few pieces of glass will not make or break this restaurant. Kay Dara will win their customers over with outstanding service, quality of food, and excellent management. No one will be thinking about a few pieces of dark glass but one maybe two people. I wish you the best Kay Dara!
All of the benefits you mention regarding the dark tinted glass can be accomplished using curtains. Look at the photographs again, and you will see the problem - you cannot see into the restaurant space from outside.
In order for restaurants and retail spaces to thrive, people need to be able to see into them.
Passers-by want to see activity and excitement. That's not only good for the restaurant, it's good for the street life too.
Installing new glass is not difficult, nor is it too expensive, especially in light of the overall cost of the renovation.
I want this restaurant to be successful. Banners are not going to make much of a difference.
I'm confused... you feel that Kay Dara will not thrive and be successful due to the dark tinted glass. You insist that the glass HAS to be clear so anyone passing by can see in. Whats the point of having curtains? If the curtains are down/closed for the customers to be more comfortable what is the point of having clear glass? Anyone walking, driving, or riding by will not be able to see in anyways. Jay D wants to comment on something looking tacky and cheap... curtains. I would rather have tinted glass then tacky curtains. At lease with the glass you can see in and get the performance that this glass type offers.
So... I want back and looked at the first photo at the top of the page and without zooming in I can see the 2x6 (maybe 2x8) leaning on the glass, part of the bar, far walls, piping and ducks on the ceiling. Thats looking through the glass (not the doors). Looking at the last photo... you are correct you can't see in. But if you cut the trees down and turns some lights on there will not be a problem seeing that Kay Dara is thriving with activity and excitement. But with the build as is you'll be able to see the success.
I'm one of the owners of one of the biggest glass shops for constructions (renovations and new builds), commercial, residential, auto glass, and whole sale in Rochester and up there for the state of New York. Glass is expensive. This would be very costly for Kay Dara to change the glass to clear due to the cost of the glass, taking the glass out of the curtain wall system that the glass sits in and installing the new glass, size of glass, and man power.
Banners and signs often look tacky and cheap
What is with the obsession with this building's dark glass? For a commercial tenant to be viable certain things must be taken into consideration that perhaps are not pleasing to everyone. Did you ever stop to think that by having dark glass on such a huge space, that it can keep air conditioning costs down by a few thousand dollars per year? The black glass on the front is stylish and complements the red terra cotta facade, and even more, keeps people from gawking at those trying to enjoy a meal. Clear glass is what was on the building when it was a commercial office building, and it looked awful. Keep focused on the positive here...that a restaurant is occupying the first floor of this gorgeous building, hopefully adding to a burgeoning block of downtown Buffalo.
What is with the obsession with this building's dark glass? For a commercial tenant to be viable certain things must be taken into consideration that perhaps are not pleasing to everyone. Did you ever stop to think that by having dark glass on such a huge space, that it can keep air conditioning costs down by a few thousand dollars per year? The black glass on the front is stylish and complements the red terra cotta facade, and even more, keeps people from gawking at those trying to enjoy a meal. Clear glass is what was on the building when it was a commercial office building, and it looked awful. Keep focused on the positive here...that a restaurant is occupying the first floor of this gorgeous building, hopefully adding to a burgeoning block of downtown Buffalo.
Before you destroy a new venture perhaps you should try it out. They are open for business right now (take away only until the city can get it's act together and send an inspector round). The food is excellent and the decor is fresh and clean. This area of Buffalo needs support, not naysayers and downers!