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Could Buffalo, one day, be home to a Plantagon?

By Jennifer Zeh:
Buffalo has been presented the opportunity to be the third city in a 100 city initiative to grow a greener urban world. 
Plantagon International AB, a global brand leader within urban agriculture, is currently in the process of building the first Plantagon outside Stockholm, Sweden. The production is scheduled to be completed in early 2013. 
A Plantagon (facebook) is a vertical greenhouse for urban farming which would eliminate the need to transport fresh and organic produce to consumers. The result is simple: better food at a better price while reducing environmental damage and creating jobs in the city.
Plantagon is partnered with SWECO, an international consulting company with sustainable engineering and designs, and is selected to partner with Swedish company SymbioCity.
Plantagon is seeking to construct a second structure in China, with Buffalo as a possible third, and then Barcelona as the fourth. At this point spokesman and director of the Buffalo project Pierre Wallinder told me that he is hoping that The City would play a role in helping to make this happen, and that Plantagon has expressed a willingness to come up with a portion of the funding. Other funding sources would be dependent upon site locations and configuration studies, and Pierre is currently in the process of seeking appropriate partners. “The goal is to produce, on a 12-month cycle, organic and local produce at lowered prices,” Wallinder said. “The Plantagon concept is flexible and could come in many forms – the Plantagon being built in Sweden is a $15,000,000 project, which, when considering the benefits, is not a prohibitive figure.”
With Buffalo being the third poorest city in America it has a substantial need for organic produce. Buffalo also has immense potential with its location being able to access 40 million people within a four hour commute. “I would not be surprised if we see a continued integration into this area,” Wallinder said. 
Along with being cost-effective, Plantagon is more space-efficient and the helix process it utilizes increases the production possibilities. The energy efficiency is also higher than that of a normal green house.
Along with the produce benefits, Plantagon would work in cooperation with the Living Green Institute of Buffalo (facebook) under executive director Laurianne Griffis to provide nutrition education to citizens. 

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The structure is also considered to be attractive and would create jobs for local industries such as construction, hospitalities, agriculture and tourism. The structure can be free-standing and designed and built to utilize space provided, or it can revamp an existing structure or area, which is more eco friendly and would give certain Buffalo landmarks a helpful spruce. 
The chosen architect for the project is David Stieglitz of Stieglitz Snyder Architecture. 
Places that have been considered for the Plantagon location include the Broadway Market, the waterfront and the old grain silos, a Buffalo invention and the largest collection of silos in the world. Wallinder said that ultimately the location decision will be based on the community’s wants, but the Buffalo team feels that the Outer Harbor would be best due to its accessibility. “We are finally seeing that area rising up. Our whole lives should be down there,” Griffis said.
Among other initiatives being put into action around the city, Plantagon would help change Buffalo into America’s first and largest green and sustainable city. A sustainability center would benefit Buffalo by not only selling the organic produce but by cooperating with local farmers to expand the organic options in a complete market, providing for restaurants and cafes, a recreation and health center and an educational center.
Integrating Plantagon into an existing infrastructure of the city would take the current surplus heat and waste and would put it to use, creating food out of wastes and decreasing energy costs and emissions. Other advantages to Plantagon are food security, decreased CO2 emissions, selling directly to consumers, better land use and an increase in value of surrounding properties. The payback period is estimated to be three to five years. 

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Newell Nussbaumer is 'queenseyes' - Eyes of the Queen City and Founder of Buffalo Rising. Co-founder Elmwood Avenue Festival of the Arts. Co-founder Powder Keg Festival that built the world's largest ice maze (Guinness Book of World Records). Instigator behind Emerald Beach at the Erie Basin Marina. Co-created Flurrious! winter festival. Co-creator of Rusty Chain Beer. Instigator behind Saturday Artisan Market (SAM) at Canalside. Founder of The Peddler retro and vintage market. Instigator behind Liberty Hound @ Canalside. Throws The Witches Ball at The Hotel @ The Lafayette, and the Madd Tiki Winter Luau. Other projects: Navigetter.

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  • rpm40

    Cool idea, I’d love to see it! There’s already a great project in Chicago that incorporates a greenhouse, fish farm, brewery and other mutually beneficial programs into a reused grain elevator:
    http://www.plantchicago.com/
    Maybe the Plant could provide inspiration for such a project in one of Buffalo’s old elevators, like the Connecting Terminal elevator on the outer harbor..

  • Travelrrr

    Talk about a project that would put Buffalo on the map. Wow. I bet tourism dollars alone would provide a payback in under five years. I hope this concept has legs.

  • PaulBuffalo

    Is Plantagon simply a brand for a concept that is being considered for a number of cities, including NYC and Los Angeles?
    What additional expertise, from planning to execution, does Plantagon bring to this concept?

  • SadLlama

    Buffalo could also take it to the next level by following Seattle’s model of a public food forest. I’m sure there are some tracks on the East side that could support this.
    http://planetsave.com/2012/02/24/seattle-to-creat-nations-first-public-food-forest/

  • DeanerPPX

    I could see this as a glass structure built against, and partly supported by, one of the south-facing grain elevators. The interior of the silo could then be utilized as cold storage, processing, distribution, or even dark-grow areas for mushrooms and the like. Easy access to water and rails, and a modern facelift to the exterior of the structures for those who still see them as eyesores (while maintaining their beauty on the interior and north face).

  • Chris

    Wish Cornell would do something like this in Buffalo. It wouldn’t have to be a full school maybe just a program where people can become certified.

  • NotFromBuffalo

    this is a fantastic idea for buffalo
    the city better make it happen

  • 300miles

    just curious… how did Buffalo get on this initial list of cities?

  • STEEL

    Lots of pretty pictures of teh outside. Not much on teh specifics. How does it work? How much does it produce? I would sure want to see a lot more information before I beleieved this was not a scam. Sorry to be debbie downer.

  • queenseyes

    Steel, all of the links are provided so that you can go and see additional videos and read more in-depth on the technical aspects. As we learn more about the specifics, we’ll be sharing them. As for getting on the list of cities, that’s Pierre doing what he does best – networking with 100% enthusiasm and never taking “no” for an answer.

  • PaulBuffalo

    Perhaps, the ownership group has something to do with it, too.
    http://www.plantagon.com/governance/owners
    OWNERS
    The Onondaga Nation
    The Onondaga Nation is a member of the Haudenosaunee (“People of the Long House”), an alliance of native nations united for hundreds of years by traditions, beliefs and cultural values. Also referred to as the Iroquois Confederacy or Six Nations, the Haudenosaunee consist of the Mohawk, Oneida, Cayuga, Seneca, Onondaga Nation’s and Tuscarora nations.
    Swecorp Citizenship Stockholm AB
    SWECORP Citizenship® AB. Since spring 2000 Swecorp Citizenship® AB combine concrete engineering with knowledge within Corporate Social Responsibility and Corporate Citizenship. In this area they offer analysis, basis for decision and policy, guidance and education, implementation of policies, monitoring and management consulting. SWECORP also develop projects such as making energy use more efficient within corporations and other large organizations. The corporate mission of SWECORP Citizenship® AB is “Value Change For Survival”. The corporate vision is “For a Market with a Human Face”.
    FOUNDERS
    The Companization PLANTAGON was founded by SWECORP Citizenship Stockholm AB and Onondaga Nation.
    CHAIRMAN & CEO
    Oren R. Lyons, Chairman of Plantagon International AB
    Professor Oren R. Lyons, Faithkeeper, Turtle Clan, Onondaga Nation, Haudenosaunee, Six Nations, Iroquois Confederacy Cat- taraugus Indian Reservation, New York. Member of the Onondaga Nation Council of Chiefs of the Six Nations of the Iroquois Confederacy.

  • crescent1251

    While the building and idea are cool; if built will it go the same route as the South Buffalo tomato greenhouse? Sounds like that “Silver Bullet” dreaming Buffalo is so famous for.
    I would love to see a similar building structure as part of a interactive children’s museum, IMAX theater or a cross between Ontario Place and Chicago’s Navy Pier, with a huge outdoor amphitheater to rival Darien Lake.

  • longgone

    If these work…build a couple of them near the Central Terminal. Convert the CT structures to a product exchange. Connect by rail to the cities and towns within 100 miles.

  • elmdog

    One of 4 places in the world and we are being looked at for this project and the continued projects to turn buffalo into a green friendly haven ?
    What a great way to change the landscape to this cities future and also create a real reason for people to want to visit ……. Tourism dollars etc…. Also is the plantagon is done in the correct spot and built correctly this could be the iconic feature that our city lacks …………….

  • Timothy Domst

    Delivering produce by rail is a stupid idea, it’s too slow to deliver it before it’s rotten.

  • paulsobo

    Who is going to pay $15,000,000 dollars to get this built?
    (Cant be Buffalo and Erie County thats for sure)
    We cant let something so forward thinking stand alone. If built it must be supported by complementary sciences, schools and businesses. We have such success with the Center for Excellence grouping and sharing resources…this should follow that theme.
    How about a Center for Excellence in sustainable food, packaging, warehousing, distribution and transportation? Where we take on both growing food for sustainability but also the supply chain.
    How did Buffalo make the list and not Rochester? They have many more millionaires looking for a purpose than Buffalo. Usually Rochester outspends and outcompetes Buffalo in branding and job promotion.

  • Bison716

    GREAT PROJECT!!! I say let’s build this on the Webster Block right in front of the Sabres Stadium. It would fill that part of downtown nicely considering its right off of rail, soon to be Canal Side and for all visitors to see before and after the games. Incorporate another building to sell its produce (farmers market/ organic food court)

  • rcgalbraith

    What would the point of this thing in Buffalo be? The city has hundreds of acres of vacant land that would be put to good use growing food. Vertical gardening makes sense for cities with food systems problems and no area to devote to growing. The proposal is to build a giant high-tech building to grow food in a new high-tech way? That’s overthinking it. We know how to grow food already; we’ve been doing it for 10,000 years and we have ample land to do it on. What makes anyone think some new over-designed marvel is better than 10,000 years of human experience and trial and error?

  • grad94

    read my mind, rcgalbraith.
    how many calories of energy will this thing consume (production of steel, glass, and other materials up front; heat, plumbing, electricity, and other inputs thereafter) vs. calories produced? it is a simple energy-return-on-energy-invested (eroei) question.
    if it consumes more calories than it produces, it is a net energy loser and there is nothing ‘green’ about it. period.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_returned_on_energy_invested
    my guess is our ample fallow land within the city limits and our good levels of sunshine and rain out perform by any eroei measurement a shiny glass sphere, no matter how beautiful it is. without needing $15,000,000 for construction costs, to boot.
    sorry, but this thing smells like either a bad investment or an outright scam.

  • PaulBuffalo

    Agreed. Obviously, The Onondaga Nation is the owner so that’s the only reason Buffalo is being considered. Unless they plan on financing this endeavor, this project has no chance of being built. How would it make a profit to sustain itself?
    Vertical gardens, if/when necessary, should be integrated into the community on a human scale. Unless they present a more humble plan that makes sense for Buffalo, this idea is mere spectacle.

  • Bison716

    It’s amazing how many individuals in this city are pessimistic. YOU GUYS ARE THE REAL REASON WHY NOTHING EVER GETS DONE HERE! If you don’t like ideas to better Buffalo, then you obviously don’t love our city. LEAVE!

  • saltecks

    Is one of the principals involved from Manchester UK.

  • p525

    Wow — reading through the happy comments on how this is so awesome, I could only think, “really? We have to go vertical?”.
    Thanks rcgalbraith for coming in with a little sense; we’re hardly short of land here for farming — urban or traditionally rural. The video seems to only include several views and perspectives of the outside of a cool looking geodesic dome with a rail line (obvioulsy electric) running past it. We never see inside or hear any details — other than some ecological buzz phrases.
    This is trying far to hard to LOOK cutting edge — real food production just ain’t that pretty and should cause you all pause.

  • Random Nerd

    With the limited information available, I don’t think Plantagon can operate purely as a farm without receiving an operating subsidy. Even traditional greenhouses, which tend to be cheaper to construct and operate than most buildings, do not prove cost effective for farms unless they are used to grow transplants or high value crops. They do not disclose anything concrete that will change that; harvesting waste heat for greenhouses is nothing new. To make ends meet, Plantagon would have to charge a premium for the novelty of its produce or find other revenue streams.
    http://www.cornellcea.com/frequently_asked_questions.html#q18
    As a museum and novelty, Plantagon might be a success. The concept, if implemented, would be unique draw. As mentioned in other comments, Disney runs a rather large attraction focusing on agriculture in Epcot.

  • Random Nerd

    Cornell is involved in intensive production in greenhouses. Some farms that use their methods are profitable but are limited to certain crops. Translating their research into vertical farming will be difficult, if not impossible. It all depends on solutions for specific problems being invented.
    http://www.cornellcea.com/frequently_asked_questions.html#q18

  • longgone

    You’re an idiot. They have refrigerated boxcars that deliver produce to distribution centers around the US. Must be a truck driver…or an idiot.

  • RaChaCha

    Despite the comment above telling me that I can find everything I need to know from following the links, this article raises way more questions than it answers, and even seems to contradict itself. First, all the visuals seem to show new glass structures, but the verbiage suggests the project could reuse an existing building. Suggesting a gigantic new building for something like this in Buffalo is laughable; it would make more sense to look at buildings such as the old Wonder Bread plant on the east side — especially if vertical height is needed (as the illustrations suggest).
    Also, the article points out the value of “integrating Plantagon into…existing infrastructure of the city…” shortly after saying “the Buffalo team feels that the Outer Harbor would be best due to its accessibility.” Well, which is it–? The Outer Harbor is neither accessible nor “integrated into the existing infrastructure of the city” (no matter how that’s defined).
    I can certainly see the value of having something like this in Buffalo, and beyond that the value of being ahead of the curve on this. But I can’t see the practicality of this happening unless it’s in an existing, former industrial building where the concept can be demonstrated & then expanded.

  • paulsobo

    The only place more nonsensical in upstate to put it would be Syracuse or Utica/Rome. Their in the middle of farmland.
    On the other hand, it Buffalonians really want to get onboard with this then find ways to complement it.
    A HEAT PUMP which exploits temperature differencials between the bottom of Lake Erie and Air Temp might also be sustainable for energy.
    -Partner it with Cornell
    -Partner it with UB Life Sciences and a Pharmaceutical Company or Naturopath Company and grow very expensive medicinals
    -Partner it with a Childrens Museum and make it educational and interactive
    -Partner it with a Center for Excellence in sustainable energy
    -Partner it with a Center for Excellence in supply chain…we have the warehouses and transportation.
    I like the idea of a major pharma or medicinal herb or vitamin company locating in Buffalo because of this…this we can do!
    No one says we have to grow the same corn and squash and pumpkins that we can grow on local farms and orchards.
    If we say “NO” then we are guarranteed it wont work. Who is thinking creatively to see how we can make it work? Buffalo either fails or succeeds whether we engage new ideas to create prosperity.
    (Lets face it sculpture from garbage, modern art that looks like scribblings from monkeys…is only going to take us so far).

  • grad94

    do not confuse skepticism with pessimism. i post all kinds of positive feedback for good ideas & jobs well done. just check my profile. unfortunately, this one looks like a loser, based on a solid scientific principle: energy returned on energy invested.
    now, if that doesn’t matter to investors and the community really wants a pretty glass sphere with plants inside, i have no complaints. that it was essentially the experience you had in the niagara falls wintergarden and it was magical. i loved the wintergarden but it was a monster energy hog, which is why it was closed and eventually demolished.
    if my hunch is correct (and maybe it is not) that plantagon will be a huge energy hog, then let’s not kid ourselves that we’re building a ‘green’ and sustainable solution to future food needs; we are building an entertainment and wedding venue and little more.

  • whatever

    “If you don’t like ideas to better Buffalo, then you obviously don’t love our city. LEAVE!”
    Yes, bison – our civic duty is to rally behind every idea – “obviously”, lol
    If only everyone had just loyally cheered Bashar Issa fully, maybe given him $ for his big ideas – Statler, 40-story City Tower, Central Terminal – back when Queenseyes sang praises of him (while blaming local asbestos removal workers for not cooperating enough with Issa, if I recall correctly). And of course some commenters on here who accurately said what was really going on with it before it fell apart publicly were condemned as negative Buffalo haters.
    There was also that company who Giambra told us would for sure build a $100M huge year-round amusement-recreation park.
    “Giambra unveils ‘major waterfront development’
    Erie County Executive Joel Giambra has unveiled a major waterfront development/attraction.
    … Giambra said Syata Group LLC, a Toronto subsidiary of the Olympia & York conglomerate, has received designated status for a year-round 250,000 square-foot amusement and recreation park. The project carries a potential $100 million price tag.
    “This is the real thing,” said Giambra regarding much-talked about development on the Buffalo waterfront. …

    Everyone should have been more loyal & unquestioning, or else moved away!
    Questioning ideas on their own merits hurts Buffalo. It’s like Marge being skeptical of the Monorail – Mayor Quimby should’ve told her to leave town, lol

  • Tim

    I’ve learned that most proposals are such teases. They’re not very sustainable, either. The calories expended to bring such useless proposals to public awareness could very well be worth a whole cow. And we all know how much ozone-depleting methane they produce. This very proposal is why I got sunburned in March. It’s science.

  • DeanerPPX

    I do like the idea… but there’s a difference between being on the cutting edge and being on the bleeding edge.
    If some company wants to front the money to build a basically experimental business venture, then we would be wise to encourage them -within reason- with perhaps tax credits or land donation. For a low-cost investment, we would benefit from the forward thinking.
    But if Plantagon is expecting the city, county and state to come up with $15M to fund untested technology and an unproven business model… then we have a problem. There’s nothing wrong with rallying behind a promising bet, but we’ve lost a lot of expensive gambles in the past.
    Let’s see what they have to offer and approach it with an open mind. Just be skeptical if the deal starts to involve a lottery winning prince from Uganda.

  • PaulBuffalo

    Maybe Buffalo should speak to the folks in Syracuse. From an article in 2010.
    The Onondagas hope to erect the U.S. greenhouse in Syracuse, possibly along Onondaga Lake, Lyons said.
    http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2010/08/rejecting_casinos_onondagas_in.html
    You’d never guess who controls a Swedish company that plans to build 25-story-high, globe-shaped greenhouses that could cost $280 million each in cities around the world.
    It’s the Onondaga Nation.

    The Native American nation — whose only businesses are a cigarette shop and a sports arena — owns 85 percent of Plantagon International SA, a company that quietly has been pitching its futuristic-looking greenhouses to officials at the White House and to government leaders in Europe and Asia.

  • batmankh

    Haters… what do we have to lose by trying this out?
    When I sit down at Mutual Riverfront Park, I would rather see this project, even if it failed and sat empty, along the Buffalo River instead of the piled up old cars and trash dumps taking up all those acres.
    This site is called Buffalo Rising. Not Buffalo Obstructing.

  • ExWNYer

    They should put this next to the Immaculate Arch of the Holy Innocents. When is that going up?

  • Norse1

    Once the site has been determined, a following configuration study will outline the most efficient energy solution on that site. Plantagon’s partner SWECO is ranked No 4 in Europe in size with a total focus on sustainability projects, listed on the Swedish Stock Exchange, with 5300 employees worldwide, and with 31,000 completed projects in 2010 Buffalo can be proud if they decide to be interested in this region. Another Partner is MIMER, global leader in Thermal Heating. SymbioCity is Sweden’s Government Export Agency, focus Green and Sustainability projects.

  • As one of the members of The Living Green Institute of Buffalo have to say I’m rather enthusiastic about this project. However it materializes structurally, this would be an extraordinary opportunity for fresh organic hydroponic produce to be grown year round and at a significantly reduced cost.
    Think of all of the soup kitchens and pantries that could provide fresh produce to their clients.
    Think of how many restaurants who would like to go all organic but currently can’t because the cost is prohibitive.
    Think of the educational opportunities that the BPS, Charters and Private Schools could access.
    We need to think outside of the “Buffalo Rut”, turn the we can’t and we shouldn’t into we can and we will.
    The board’s president is from Sweden and has been in talks on this for months now with officials from Plantagon and the Onodaga Nation.
    I believe that Buffalo is fortunate to be billed as the next Green Zone. Why wouldn’t we want Buffalo to become a tourist attraction for it’s unique take on green building and green growing practices?
    http://livinggreeninstitute.blogspot.com/

  • ladyinwhite

    I don’t see the sphere coming in at 15million. That is probably why they mention an existing building build out. The older article states over 200 million for the sphere. Mixed messages here.

  • Annie

    ladyinwhite
    $200 million was in krona (Swedish money) and is for a multiple building site.
    I know it’s confusing but the US dollar is .15 cents to their krona, ergo the seemingly disparate amount.
    And $15 million for a new building of that ilk is not unreasonable.
    The new courthouse was $137 million.

  • The Boss

    This could be our Space Needle/Arch/Golden Gate/Statue of Liberty/Sydney Opera House…well you get the point, a positive image that creates a sense of modern, forward thinking and urban progress, something we sooo badly have lacked for about 100 years.

  • PaulBuffalo

    … this would be an extraordinary opportunity for fresh organic hydroponic produce to be grown year round and at a significantly reduced cost.
    Annie, where is the math that illustrates how produce will be available at significantly reduced cost in western New York? How will the cost for hydroponic produce compare to the offerings at Lexington Co-op or the typical supermarket?
    Why did this project not get built in Syracuse in 2010? Why not Syracuse now?

  • PaulBuffalo

    Annie, this has nothing to do with the krona. It depends upon the size of the installation. Per Plantagon’s own site, check out the costs on their page 21.
    http://plantagon.com/sites/default/files/greenhouse_presentation_english.pdf
    36 m Greenhouse
    Construction cost: 10 to 20 Million USD
    Operational cost [per year]: 0.173 Million USD
    Pay back [years]: 4.4 to 17.5
    100 m Greenhouse
    Construction cost: 113 to 215 Million
    USD Operational cost [per year]: 2.8 Million USD
    Pay back [years]: 3.5 to 14.5
    142 m Greenhouse
    Construction cost: 280 to 555 Million
    USD Operational cost [per year]: 7.5 Million USD
    Pay back [years]: 3.3 to 14.3

  • UnionAMG

    Looks like Ladyinwhite has a “real kroner comprehension problem.”
    “Well, I’ve got a ten kroner, a five kroner, a twenty kroner. Empty kroner? How much is that?”
    (obligatory seinfeld reference)

  • rcgalbraith

    Can’t all of those benefits you listed by realized on low-tech, low-input, LOW-COST urban farms that have the added bonus of immediate community accessibility and of putting huge swaths of Buffalo’s vacant land to productive use?
    I think a low-tech approach to local, organic, and sustainable food production also has the benefit of proof of concept. It’s been done successfully in the past and it’s been done (relatively) cheaply.
    Occam’s razor is the maxim for most of views. We don’t need to reinvent the farm here.

  • PaulBuffalo

    Norse, then why does this project require outside funding? If this is such a home run, where are the institutional investors?

  • Up and coming

    “With Buffalo being the third poorest city in America it has a substantial need for organic produce.”
    What the hell does Buffalo being the third poorest city have to do with us needing organic produce. You think someone living in poverty gives two (insert your own word) about organic produce…..come on man.

  • Annie

    I’m going to cover three questions in one post.
    1. Mass production of hydroponic organics with less than a ten mile radius in transportation costs, zero pesticide and herbicide costs, decreased water usage, and climate control minimizes product cost.
    2. Farms that are currently in place within city limits provide only to those within their co-op or to their neighborhood not to the whole city as this would
    3. As someone who lives below the poverty line and is a food advocate who connects with other economically disadvantaged folks on a daily basis, I can say we most certainly do give a damn about having the right to access to organic, local, seasonal and ethically produced fruits and vegetables. It is a human right to have access to foods like these, not a privilege.
    We demand equity in the food system and this is one of many ways that equity can be achieved.

  • Up and coming

    Annie,
    You may be a hipster self-proclaimed “culinary master”, but do me a favor and walk through the cities poorest ghettos and take a survey of how many care about “organic” produce. Also break down the economic impact of your first comment and how it relates to a 15 million dollar investment and the what the long and short term ROI is……i’ll be awaiting your response.

  • Annie

    Up and Coming you’re hilarious!
    Considering I live in the deep Westside next a 716 gang member I think I know a thing or two about being poor and living in a “ghetto”.
    Your disconnect from what us working poor want and need is quite obvious.
    Your snarky attempt to equate me to some uppity hipster image you may have is truly the funniest thing I’ve read in a while.
    And as we are still in talks with Plantagon and the Onodaga Nation and working with grant writers and applying for Federal and International grants your insensate and childish demands of “show me the money” are tiring. If you’d like to become involved because of your degree and work experience in land development, business development, working a non-for-profit, or you are in the local or state government would be appreciated.
    Otherwise please go darken someone else’s door.

  • Up and coming

    I mean if you take the emotionally dramatic soap box cliche rhetoric out of your post, you still have no business plan, correct?

  • Norse1

    @Up and coming: a business plan will be developed once the site is determined. A configuration study will determine final design and other factors such as choice of heating. Why Buffalo is on the map is rather obvious, but let me elaborate:
    1/Poverty alleviation
    2/Image Changer for the City
    3/Construction and parts made locally, potential for National Distribution
    4/Creating a highly visible tourist attraction
    5/Local residents are empowered
    6/More jobs
    7/Locally grown healthy food at reasonable prices
    8/Better utilization of energy- Clean Tech Solutions
    9/More educational opportunities
    10/Linkage to Europe’s 4th largest Engineering and Architectural Firm, SWECO, a firm which plays a significant role in developing sustainable energy solutions for Cities and Municipalities around the Globe, 31,000 completed projects in 2010!
    11/Linkage with other Corporate Partners; SAAB/Combitech, NASA and Symbio-City, Sweden’s Government Export Agency for Green Technology Projects
    12/Added values by possibility to add an Aquaponic Fish farm, Flowers, Herbs for the Pharmaceutical industry, Hemp for paper making, the additional application possibilities are numerous.
    This project will take all of the benefits of Urban Farming to a whole other dimension, and is truly a transformational project, which will, if implemented, once again put Buffalo on the World Map.

  • grad94

    “a transformational project, which will, if implemented, once again put Buffalo on the World Map…”
    translation: classic silver bullet, with a generous side helping of the “i can make you a star, baby” casting couch come-on that wanna-be starlets used to get from hollywood producers.

  • Buffplanner

    Why would some pay millions to construct one of these buildings to produce agriculture goods, when you can travel 15 miles out the city and purchase 1000 acres of flat prime agriculture land for the same price.
    Who believes this will actually happen????

  • RaChaCha

    At the risk of going waay off topic, what is the “deep westside”–? That’s a new one on me.

  • grad94

    heck, you can assemble some very nice large parcels just by walking a mile or two east of downtown.

  • Up and coming

    “Who believes this will actually happen????”
    Answer: no one

  • whatever

    And on a similar note, who believes the Canadian and U.S. federal governments will ever both agree to actually ban trucking at the Buffalo / Fort Erie international border crossing?
    Answer: no one
    Who believes a huge roof over the 33 will ever actually happen, or that a shut down of ECC North campus will ever actually happen, or that most people who buy new houses in the city actually won’t want them to have driveways, … on and on … although apparently some people do like to discuss those kinds of ideas – perhaps as organic food for thought.

  • Timothy Domst

    I’m an idiot, and you’re the one with the idea of making a produce center ( I assume you mean produce distribution center?) in the middle of a city where it would get a couple carloads from the plantagon, and have the rest TRUCKED from farms in the area to your brilliant rail center? Rail cars need full loads, you dope.