Zoning Makes City's Most Popular Neighborhood Illegal
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Leave a commentSo, David, how are things in Chicago? I heard Chicago was just ranked in the top 10 on Forbes most miserable cities list? I heard you also have the highest sales tax in the nation, some of the worst school (over 50 percent drop out rate), rediculously high crime and drug rates, terrible infrastructure (ie bus and train routes were just cut) and some of the most corrupt politicians in the US (see Rod Blasonofabitch and Mayor Daley). So maybe you can start writing for Chicago Rising, because it looks like your city could use some help.
Why is this ad hominem argument relevant?
HA! Are you mad? In terms of transportation infrastructure Buffalo isn't on the same planet as Chicago. You'll never ride a rail from an Erie County suburb to downtown Buffalo. And if your going to talk about negatives, can we not lump "drugs" in with crime? You sound like you belong in the 80s or something with the War on Drugs going on. Everyone knows marijauna should be legalized.
In any event this was a great post by Steel. I understand Dan's point, but backwards thinking is rampant in WNY so I'd prefer to run up the score on this one. These folks who insist on suburban style parking at all doorsteps need to be exposed for their wrong-headed thinking, even if the law is about to change. We need to break their spririt by loudly and clearly opposing them at every turn.
Wait you don't even live here? All this time, I thought you lived in the neighborhoods you always talk about. ha.
That would be a lot of neighborhoods.
What I was alluding to is I don't understand how you can write/make so many blatantly opinionated articles about a city you don't choose to live in/anymore. You are my African American Studies teacher that is a white dude.
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Take issue with my opinions then - In this case I am presenting facts and then giving my opinion of those facts. Do you have any or are you going to just spew irrelevant nonsense.
Just because someone no longer lives within Buffalo does not mean that they stop loving and caring about the city.
It also does not mean that you're no longer allowed to have an opinion about the place you're from.
I left Buffalo. Still had an opinion about everything that has gone on in my absence, and will be even more outspoken when I return for good in three weeks...
I assume that YOU own property in the city, since you take such offense at others who don't currently reside there having an opinion?
Steel:
Out of curiosity, how often do you come to Buffalo? I ask because even with just an occasional visit, your knowledge of the City and contributions to constructive discussions exceed that of many of your critics. You could live in Bangladesh and I'd still put more worth in what you say over many others, even if I don't agree.
But then, it's easy to be a coach from the bleachers.
Some folks in the community like the current code just the way it is, because it gives them a tool to stop every project they don't like. When bascially all good urban development is illegal under our current zoning ordinance, is it any wonder that it's difficult to invest in Buffalo?
The Green Code couldn't come fast enough!
While I agree with your premise, I agree completely with Dan's comments. This site's readers are generally very well informed, and most will be aware of the changes on the way thanks to the Green Code. The way this article ignores those developments makes it come off as a one sided rant, and that just kills the credibility.
As I noted to Dan - Do not assume that a code written is a code passed. There is already talk of modification to the lowered parking limits because of a few outspoken parking lot advocates at the meetings.
The planners show what the Green code can do but they neglect to show what the status quo means right now.
My house on Highland is X out so I speak as a stakeholder, but honestly, how cool would it be if these houses were removed.
The open greenspace between houses would be a welcome for all the kids and dogs.
I'm with Steel on this one, anyway we can force the city to enforce this code and get these structures knocked down before the new code gets put into place?
I think the latest posts from Steel were inspired by a discussion on Facebook where Chris Hawley (one of Buffalo's city planners) was explaining how and why many of the buildings and businesses that we love in Buffalo are completely illegal on multiple grounds under the current code.
Some of the examples were Betty's (restaurants not allowed in a residential neighborhood, not enough green space and landscaping, no on-site parking, etc.), the youth hostel in the Theater District (hotels not allowed there, no on-site parking, etc.). Even City Hall is non-conforming under the current code!
It was really an eye-opening discussion as to why we need a new form-based code that actually legalizes all of the types of buildings and building uses that we like about our city.
Steel.s comments are very relevant!
This code is not a done deal.
My take on his post is that we have to still fight for the way the code is written as of today and not take for granted that certain attorneys, politicians and residents will push to severely alter it or water it down.
Look at the people complaining about parking disappearing from Elmwood next to Globe Market to construct a new building. These people influence the policy makers.
Be very vigilant.
Based on the down votes on this thread I am led to believe that that pro parking pro low density crowd doesn't like seeing this kind of thing published.
We need people at the Green Code public meetings who will speak out loudly and firmly in favor of the proposed code. The parking lot proponents will and if theirs is the only voice they will be able to water down this PROPOSED code. I am surprised at Dan's opening comment because as a planner he more than most know how difficult it is to pass this kind of reform.
I attended one of the planning meetings and I can back up exactly what steel is saying. There were many loud-mouthed residents there that did their homework, came prepared, and said loud and clear how they are firmly AGAINST parts of the Green Code, including parking issues.
If you think Steel should stop talking about this because the Green Code is here, then you're kidding yourself. If enough people protest parts of the green code, they WILL get it watered down. Even the people presenting the Green Code said - If you want changes to the proposed code, make your voice heard. They made their voice heard and it was for the status quo.
Most people have no clue at all about zoning codes unless they have some project that directly involves them.
I say scrap the whole 1950 building code and go back to the 1910 when Buffalo was successful and wealthy and then start over from there.
These zoning codes have given us nothing but demolished buildings, sprawl and empty lots where once stood multistory buildings with character and craftsmanship.
I say scrap the whole 1950 building code and go back to the 1910 when Buffalo was successful and wealthy and then start over from there.
So, true, ChristieLou. Ever since they loosened the restrictions on horse hitching post height requirements, it's all gone downhill.
I don't know. I think it's the strident, "I know better than all of you" attitude exhibited by the Windy City Resident that makes people "thumb down" you. The Steel comments have gotten bitchier and snarkier as of late, and haven't been helpful to the debate.
I'm a suburban child of the 60's who lives in an 80 year old house, still in the 'burbs. I work in the city. Have free parking. But I take the bus. And ride my bike. Try to do all the good, green, preservation-y, enviro things. But frankly, Mr. Steel's comments lately make me want to fire up the bulldozer.
Don't alienate. Convince.
You are dead on with your comments, well put. I could care less with what he has to say based upon how he says it. I'm sure he is mostly correct, but again...
His influence is minimum though in real power broker circles, so that should at least allow you to sleep at night.
The idea that Buffalo's new code will only allow suburban style sprawl is simply stupid!!! The new code is an attempt to marry some of the attractive attributes you find in the suburbs with the benefits of the city. Why is it considered wrong in the city to want a 2 car garage to park your car when you walk to Elmwood, or a yard for children to play in. The code isn't done and your simply stating opinions and not facts.
Who said that the new code will only allow suburban style sprawl? No one did. I only stated taht the existing code makes Buffalo's most popular neighborhood ileagl to replicate. Why do we legislate against what people want and like? Odd how none of the sprawl loving property rights people have disapeard on this thread.
Buffalo's most popular and fasted growing neighborhood is legislated against. Why?
There was no code in 1910. And anyone arguing that returning to that era is uninformed because zoning wss developed intentionally to address public health, safety and welfare due to noncompatible uses being adjacent to each other... like heavy manufacturing near housing or due to poor living conditions in tenements. Zoning and land use planning have always and will always be reactionary rather than progressive (like preservationists). Codes are always used to correct problems and/ or meet market and residential desires. the suburbs will always be desirable and so will the city but a city code has to be urban!!! Kudos to the city for trying but the proof will be in the final version of a $3M document not on the effort alone.
I don't understand Steel's logic. The houses in these photos are old houses that were built when Buffalo was prospering and the city was a much denser place overall. Why in the age of urban farms and prairies wouldn't you want to spread out a little? Is Steel assuming that there is a direct correlation between density and a community's pleasantness? because there are plenty of examples of places that are dense and miserable.
I am saying that there is no conceivable reason to legislate against the way the Elmwood Village is built. People like it and its property values are growing a. Why does EVERYTHING have to be built to the sprawl design pattern? Can someone explain why we are not allowed to build this way? Where are the property rights people on this thread?
I agree with Steel here. If people want to build dense neighborhoods like you can find in the Elmwood village, they should be allowed to. If there's a market for it, which there certainly seems to be, then that's a good situation. However, I also think that to allow one should allow someone to build in a more suburban style density should they so choose, then they should also be allowed to do so too.
They are. In the suburbs.
Erie County has no lack of low density suburban sprawl. IF that's what you want, Erie County is your oyster!
But not everyone likes that. Some people like higher density, the very things that make a city a city, and not a suburb. Why can't WE have that option? Why can't we have more of it?
HOw many housing units in all of Erie County, including the cities, are suburban-style density? Compare that with how many housing units are at city density. I'm sure you will find that there is a tremendous imbalance in favor of the suburban type. WE can't we even it out a bit, especially since there is a market for it?
I read your post there, and I am not sure what you're saying there that disagrees with what I was saying. I was agreeing with Steel that they should allow Elmwood Village - style density anywhere in the the city where people want it and the market will bear it. But not everyone wants to live so densely packed together, so why not them build like that in other parts of the city? That way you can provide these people with the option of remaining in the city instead of fleeing to the suburbs. You would think there would room for both in the city.
No one goes to dense places anymore. They're too crowded.
the fact that the elmwood district has some of the highest property values in buffalo tells us that homebuyers approve of its density and will pay a premium to live there, even if their house doesn't have its own driveway or garage.
But how do we know the market is choosing Elmwood based on the density of buildings and not other factors like crime rate, architecture, demographics, proximity to parks, private schools etc.? What if you could offer the Elmwood quality of life plus a driveway?
We are discussing density here as though its the cause and not the effect.
To some extent, density is a reason people are choosing their location. I know that I, personally, prefer a tightly built street. I really like residential streets where even the fronts are close to one another. For example, I much prefer the character of St. James Place to the character of Lafayette Ave - where the houses are built a little further apart. I suppose to many people, they're both really dense, and not much different. But I think St. James has an urban character Lafayette can't match. Some of the densest streets in Allentown, I like even more.
Now this is probably not the case for everyone, and I wouldn't suggest that we force everyone to live on a super dense street, but I guarantee I'm not the only one who prefers this density - and Elmwood & Allentown's prosperity, to at least some extent, speaks to this.
You're exactly correct. If STEEL's argument actually held any weight the whole East Side and Old First Ward would be a bustling metropolis. The reason why Elmwood is the way it is, is because of the housing stock, demographics and the close proximity to parks and free space. You could make an argument that the large houses make Elmwood less dense than neighborhoods in Tonawanda and Cheektowaga. If that's the case how come Tonawanda and Cheektowaga aren't high demand areas......housing stock and demographics is the answer.
My God...i can't believe the negative comments regarding Steel's post. He is saying that the current code PROHIBITS new construction being built at the same density as the Elmwood Village. The New Green Code encourages the density that makes this neighborhoods so desirable. Can anyone on here deny that this area is one the most valuable areas in Buffalo to live in?
Stop slamming him for living in Chicago and commenting. I'm an architect who has lived in Buffalo all my life and continues to live in the City and I totally agree with him
You're an architect. Can you imagine a scenario where a new neighborhood with a density lower than Elmwood is still pleasant, vibrant and valuable?
Yes I can imagine a neighborhood with lower density....But I'm against a code...the current outdated code.... that PROHIBITS higher density without an appeal
As far as I can understand, the new code will allow a wide gradient of densities in their respective locations. It's hardly one size fits all.
A neighborhood can be pleasant and beautiful at lower densities, certainly, but a neighborhood cannot be vibrant and lively at lower densities.
Great. That sounds realistic to me. The article isn't making that clear. By holding up Elmwood as the ideal place it doesn't say much for the preferences of many Buffalo and WNY property owners who choose not live there.
Speaking of larger lots and lower densities, I'm very interested in blotting. http://www.theatlanticcities.com/housing/2011/11/blotting-good-or-bad-shrinking-cities/470/
There is vibrancy and liveliness in lower density communities but its not constant. It may occur around events or places at specific times. Its not my cup of tea but many people seem to like it.
I think that's the major distinction over the present ordinance, which allows only two densities within neighborhoods (outside of downtown and R-4 and R-5 areas): 1,250 sq. ft. per dwelling unit and 2,000 sq. ft. per dwelling unit, both of which are significantly lower than typical densities in nearly every neighborhood except a few (like Kensington Heights and Park Meadow).
What what I read, the next ordinance will define density through the basic building envelopes and lot occupancies that are typical to each type of neighborhood (whether it's downtown, Elmwood, or Park Meadow), rather than an arbitrary d.u./ac. requirement created by 1950s planners. I think we've gotten beyond the idea that every lot should be a park with adequate space for children to play, especially in a city where the typical households are now singles, couples, and empty nesters. The Green Code places a much stronger emphasis on the quality of public space. How European!
By the way, Buffalo clearly has an opportunity to set the tone for all of North America if becomes the first large city to eliminate all minimum parking requirements. We'd be the only city in America, at the point, to be serious when it talks about removing barriers to compact development and supporting transportation choice.
exactly. the old code forced a one-size-fits-all pattern on every square inch of the city, regardless of the precedent set by previous development.
people who like allentown enough to buy there will be able to see more of allentown get built in allentown. people who like the tract houses on william near downtown enough to buy there will be able to see more of william street get built on william street. this is entirely sensible. no one should have to lose sleep over it. monoculture zoning is finally getting tossed out the window.
please note, fans of low density: this code applies only to the city of buffalo. if you like what you have elsewhere in wny, great! your neighborhood will not be affected.
and if you want low density in the city, great! we have acres and acres of open space on the east side. plus it is cheap and near useful services like bus lines. go for it!
i can't believe that the libertarian types aren't here cheering that the government is finally getting out of the way when it comes to what the buffalo market has been demanding.
grad>"i can't believe that the libertarian types aren't here cheering that the government is finally getting out of the way when it comes to what the buffalo market has been demanding."
Not sure who you're categorizing as "libertarian types" in that, but I agree with both halves of what pampinform commented a few days ago in this thread.
davvid said something similar too.
pampin>"If people want to build dense neighborhoods like you can find in the Elmwood village, they should be allowed to. If there's a market for it, which there certainly seems to be, then that's a good situation. However, I also think that to allow one should allow someone to build in a more suburban style density should they so choose, then they should also be allowed to do so too."
It seems to me some others (at least Rand503 in this thread) might be implying that lower density shouldn't be allowed in the city. I know Lego implied that in the past, like that the new housing with suburban style driveways in the new Colvin development shouldn't be allowed.
This reminds me of the parking lot debates on here in which steel and daniel sounded critical of the Wegmans being allowed in the city. I argued back that the city has plenty of available space for both to-the-sidewalk type small storefronts without parking and also some bigbox stores with parking, as well as in-between cases like Lex Co-Op or Guercios which are to-the-sidewalk stores that also have parking lots accessible from commercial streets. The new Aldi on Broadway is another example.
If the new code will be flexible and acknowledge that not everyone wants the whole city to have to obey preferences of steel, daniel, lego, etc - then that sounds fine to me. The city should allow a diverse mixture of development styles for both residential and commercial. People who want to build very densely without parking should be allowed to, of course. I'll be surprised if it turns out a lot of new houses will be built without driveways or apts without parking spaces. We'll see.
Being "allowed" to do something one desires should come with the associated responsibility of mitigating the consequences by one's self. In the case of sprawl - those who choose it should pay for its extra cost. If you want to be a purest libertarian, that is what you would advocate for. That is the only way libertarianism works - by taking responsibility for your own actions and not doing damage to others - and precisely why it never will work in practice in its pure form. Unfortunately for the rest of us those who choose sprawl like to spread the cost to all of us, they spread the damage to our environment to all of us, the spread the damage to our national security and wealth to all of us.
How do you make that statement to appeal to all sides and not come off as an extremist? Those who indulge in sprawl don't see it that way at all, regardless of how many quantitative facts you provide. It's America, "you can't tell me what to do with my property".
steel> "Being "allowed" to do something one desires should come with the associated responsibility of mitigating the consequences by one's self. In the case of sprawl - those who choose it should pay for its extra cost."
steel (or anyone who agrees with that) -
In the above if we're talking about within city limits then by the "those who choose it" are you referring to any or all of the following as those who should "pay extra" in return for being allowed to have parking spaces?
- any consumer business in the city that has a parking lot (including among many - the one Wegmans on Amherst St, the 5 or 6 Tops stores in different areas, the Target in North Buff, the Lexington Co-op, the new Black Rock Kitchen & Bar which Mark Goldman opened also on Amherst St, all 7-Elevens, Guercio's market on Grant St, all 3 Starbucks in the city, Dash's grocery on Hertel, the little Elmwood Market near North St, JP Bullfeathers restaurant, all Just Pizza locations, … on and on, etc, etc, etc);
- any house in any part of the the city that has a driveway;
- any apartment building in the city that has tenant parking spaces;
- any non-consumer business location in the city that has parking spaces for their employees (I won't even give examples…)
Seems a very long list of those not yet "accepting responsibility" based on that, doesn't it?
Very roughly-approximately about how much extra do you guys feel that all of those businesses & residents should have to pay beyond the taxes they already do?
Would an extra $10 per year per parking space be enough? Or maybe $20 per space per year? Or more, say $100 per space per year?
To whom should that extra money be paid? The City Hall govt?
(I'm not even being argumentative at the moment, but just curious what you guys have in mind.)
So I will mark you down for not being in favor of personal responsibility. And no I am talking region wide. If you want sprawl anywhere then pay for it. Why is that even controversial to you? Seems very logical to me.
You know the thing about arguing for personal responsibility is that it doesn't just pertain to things that you are in favor of. If the people who live in the less dense areas around here have to take the responsibility of paying for it, I think that's a perfectly fair proposition to make. But then again, on the other hand, what about the large segment of the city who depend on social programs. Why if we are talking about personal responsibility do we have things like housing assistance, food stamps, Medicaid, WIC? Why shouldn't we hold people responsible for taking care of their needs by themselves? That was certainly more or less the norm before the emergence of the welfare state, what's different now?
Well me and most city people are not on social welfare so I am not sure what that has to do with anything. I would certainly like to solve those problems. How would you suggest holding these people accountable? I am open to ideas on that. The thing you have to get out or your head though is that social problems are the responsibility of the people who live inside the city border. I live in the city. I pay for the social problems and I also pay for the sprawl that I did not choose and do not want to have to use.
It's just a matter of being consistent, that's all. How much tax revenue is derived from people who live out in the areas that you classify as "sprawl"? The people living in Amherst, Clarence, East Aurora, and Orchard Park pay the lion's share of county tax revenue. They also pay a lot of taxes that get redirected to the city in the form of transfer payments. So if you want to stress that people who live out in the suburbs need to be responsible for the costs that their lifestyle incurs, then why shouldn't that same for the large segment of the city population too? So why do you seem to think that people who live inside the city should be exempt from paying taxes which get used to pay for things that do not directly benefit them, but expect that people who don't live in the city should be responsible for paying for things that do not benefit them?
And by the way, did you move back here to Buffalo when we weren't looking, or are you talking in the abstract here? What kind of financial stake do you have in this issue? As usual I fully expect you to ignore/ gloss over that question. Perhaps dismiss it as irrelevant.
So because I *asked* a few reasonable simple questions moving from generality to at least some specifics, I'm figuratively "marked down" as something by you… and of course, you ignore the questions and just repeat a very vague bumper sticker type generality. Yay!
(btw, a nicer thing about discussing this kind of topic with some folks on here - such as DanielSack or JSmith - is they'll answer questions and can have grown up discussions with people who might not share their opinions - and without childish pouting and condescension that so often are the entirety of your replies)
Just for fun, let's try again -
steel>"If you want sprawl anywhere then pay for it."
In what form & very rough approximate amount are you saying the payment should have to be, and to whom are you saying it should be paid?
Like for example the Lexigton Co-op's parking lot (if you consider that lot to be sprawl? if not, why isn't it?) - approx how much extra should the Co-op have to pay per year and to whom?
Or the Wegmans on Amherst St with a parking lot, and Dash's on Hertel with a parking lot, and all the Tops stores with parking lots in the city - approx how much extra should Wegmans & Dash's & Tops have to pay per year and to whom?
And houses with driveways (if you consider those driveways to be sprawl? if not, why aren't they?) on N Buffalo residential streets off of Hertel or Colvin, or on Richmond Ave, or on Fordham or Bidwell or Minnesota? - approx how much extra should those homeowners have to pay per year and to whom?
Or the parking lot used by the new "Black Rock Kitchen & Bar" across the street from it on Amherst St (if you consider that lot to be sprawl? if not, why isn't it?) - approx how much extra should its owner Mr. Goldman have to pay per year and to whom?
What's so objectionable about a few simple examples of how much extra you're advocating that so many property owners would have to pay?
If you're saying that hundreds, likely thousands, of business owners and house owners in the city aren't paying their fair share because they have parking spaces, then isn't it fair to ask roughly how much extra they should have to pay?
I am not a policy and tax expert. How could I answer your questions? By the way I am opposed to sprawl in the city and the suburbs. You don't have to point out that sprawl exists in the city. I do it all the time in my posts already. Here is an idea though. Instead of taxing the building tax the land. That way when your operation takes up a huge ammounts of land you actually pay for it. Or how about this. Tax people on a per capita to area of road and parking surface ratio. If your town has lots of road surface and parking surface in comparison to the number of people then you pay more. This would be a disinsentive to build and widen roads. If developers wanted more parking surface then the town taxpayers would have to pay more taxes. less road surface per capita you pay less.
steel>"You don't have to point out that sprawl exists in the city. I do it all the time in my posts already. "
I realize you do. I'm not pointing it out - just using city owners of driveways & parking spaces/lots as examples when asking who you're saying should have to pay extra-higher taxes…
(following up discussion a month ago on here about Wegmans-Tops-Dash's-etc grocery stores in the city which of course have parking lots).
steel>"I am not a policy and tax expert. How could I answer your questions?"
Yet without such expertise you sound 100% certain that the many 1000's of Buffalo/city homeowners who have driveways (and countless small locally-owned businesses here who have parking spaces for employees & customers) aren't now paying their fair share - despite all the high taxes they already pay in WNY/NYS for property taxes, gasoline taxes, sales taxes, income taxes, business taxes, etc.
You seem to insist those city of Buffalo residents should have to pay significantly more than they already pay, and yet you won't give even the _slightest_ hint of how much "more" tax payments from them would ever satisfy you. (It would never be enough, would it? You'd alwasy say they aren't paying enough no matter how much driveway owners or small local stores & restaurants with parking spaces would pay?)
Also interesting is that evidently there are *no* policy experts or any candidates for any political office in Buffalo who have ever publicly advocated for the kind of new extra tax you seem to be demanding on city residents with driveways and city businesses with parking spaces in exchange for them being "allowed" to not be limited to only use of on-street parking.
You're of course entitled to argue your demands all you want, although clearly they're way out on an extreme fringe. Most city of Buffalo households use cars often. Being able to park them near a store when weekly grocery shopping for example and then in a driveway when returning home to unload is a very common activity here in the city. Even quite a few Elmwood Village houses have driveways (not those in the photo you selected of course). Driveways are also common in some popular parts of N Buffalo, S Buffalo, and other parts of the city too.
Yeah, the city also contains many houses without driveways and some small stores selling groceries without having parking spaces (corner deli's mostly, the 24 Hour We Never Close, for example).
Still, I very much doubt most city residents-voters feel any negativity toward the concept of home driveways or any negativity about grocery stores (or even other kinds of stores - Target, Marshalls, Lexington Co-op, Guercio's Market on Grant, etc., etc.) having parking lots as those all do and not having new exorbitant taxes which they'd of course simply pass on in higher prices for all customers even those arriving on bike, bus, or foot.
You guys are arguing something that has no actual relevance to the current zoning code or the upcoming Buffalo Green Code. No one is suggesting that off-street parking will be banned, anywhere in the city.
What is planned is to remove *minimum parking requirements*, where the city says to a developer that the developer needs to build X off-street parking spaces for a given square footage or number of apartments, etc., even if the developer is confident that they can rent the apartments or fill the storefronts, etc., with fewer parking spaces (or even none).
Again, nobody is suggesting that off-street parking will be banned. At most, there will be requirements that it be to the side or behind the building rather than in front, and perhaps stronger design standards regarding screening it from the sidewalk.
"You guys are arguing something that has no actual relevance to the current zoning code or the upcoming Buffalo Green Code"
We realize all that. Well, at least I think we both do. I'm pretty sure.
"should allow someone to build in a more suburban style density should they so choose"
I drove home to the Allen area today from the airport down Genesee today; I think I'd welcome any kind of investment. The state of the east side is incredible, and you really only get a sense of its condition from actually seeing it. There are so many vacant lots you almost might as well demo it all and give it back to nature.
My understanding is that the Green Code is interested in preserving the character of neighborhoods, so lot widths and building footprints will continue to reflect the existing ones on their block. Areas that are physically very dense (Allentown, West Village, etc.) will remain so. Areas where lots are slightly wider (e.g., North Park, Parkside, etc.) will remain so. Areas with a suburban form (much of the redeveloped East Side, Colvin Estates, etc.) will remain so.
So you can build a new house with a huge yard and a big two-car garage in front. You'll just have to do it in a neighborhood where that's already the normative housing type. You won't be allowed to do it in Allentown or the Elmwood Village.
sure, and we have lots of them. take your pick; no one is getting rid of them.
what we don't have is a code that permits any other alternative, even in spite of overwhelming market evidence to the contrary, namely that people like the density of elmwood enough to pay top dollar for it, and that they are not abandoning it for lower density alternatives.
kind of like the famous henry ford quote about how you could have your car in any color you liked as long as it was black. the market has spoken and it wants more choices than just black.
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You're talking about a zoning code from 1950. A code that's 62 years old, perhaps the oldest zoning code still in use by any American municipality. It's a code that just about everybody agrees is seriously flawed. I don't think anybody has defended keeping that old, legalese-filled wall-of-text that will soon be history.
Buffalo is soon going to be far ahead of the curve with it's form-based unified development code. I've written zoning codes myself, and from what I've seen, the Green Code is logical, comprehensible, respects the urban character of Buffalo, and like all FBCs, does a much better job at codifying the desired form of the built environment than standard codes. (Its sign regulations, though, will leave a lot to be desired, but thats one for another post.) I think it's got some advantages over the SmartCode, which many communities use as a template for FBCs.
We get it. The current zoning code, one that should have been replaced decades ago, sucks skunked Utica Club. Complaining about that abdomination, one that we'll soon be rid of, at this late stage in the game, is like launching a protest against the Vietnam War as the American embassy in Saigon is being evacuated.
I could not agree more with Dan. A constructive post would have focused on valuable criticism of the Green Code - the future. This backward-looking post is worthless.
Yes you get it. There are many who don't and many already screeching about lower parking amounts and higher density limits. I would not take this code as it is currently being developed as a done deal.
Exactly, the code still has to make it through final design and then approval by the Common Council without getting watered down by pressures from developers and others who prefer the status quo.
Articles like this explain exactly what's wrong with the current code and why the Green Code is important. It is important to make that case, because there will be others trying to make the opposite case later this year.
Buffalo's Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything (BANANA) crowd were in full force at the Lafayette High School meeting. All three of them!
"The current zoning code, one that should have been replaced decades ago, sucks skunked Utica Club. Complaining about that abdomination, one that we'll soon be rid of, at this late stage in the game, is like launching a protest against the Vietnam War as the American embassy in Saigon is being evacuated."
It's like complaining about disco in 1983.
Last I read, the Vietnam War ended about 35 years ago or so and the Buffalo zoning code from 1950 was still in force and affecting the way the city can be developed - that being the case I think it is entirely relevant to talk about this code in a Buffalo based web blog whereas the Vietnam War not so much.
As for disco - that could come back in some kind of crazed hipster nostalgia fad any day for all I know. Skinny Jeans out - white rayon bells in! That would kind of be the equivalent of keeping the current code.