UB Selects HOK to Lead Design of New Medical School
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The Buffalo market isnt exactly a hotbed of demand, jobs, and money influx with investors lined up to build $375 million dollar projects. To have an expectation that new builds in Buffalo "rise" to this is premature. Buffalo's historic gems were built in a time where the City was extremely rich. Our large scale new builds nowadays seem to be done mostly with public dollars and I expect if the area decides to go forward and eventually build a new Bills stadium that large project will also have a lagre sum of public cash behind it. Buffalo is one of the poorest cities in the Country. I appreciate the Benderson project and what they are doing down there. That didnt exactly have a laundry list of developers lined up either.
Is it just me or does Buffalo appear to like "sky bridges" over downtown roadways? I'm actually surprised this building concept isnt demonized as suburban-like and sprawling, disrespecting the layout of the city blocks and bridging over them out of character with the alignment of other historic buildings in the area. Even if its just a conceptual design it appears to be a design that has been bought into, resulting in a contract reward. It wings out similar to the Uniland suburban office building along the 190 in Amherst. Is it truly the design or is it being star struck over a flashy architectural firm like HOK?
With that said i'm happy to see things are progressing.
Ever been to Minniapolis flyguy? They have about 25 miles of skyways through thier bustling city center.
I'm from the Niagara Region, Ontario but earned my post secondary in Buffalo and now live in Calgary, Alberta. We have approx. 10 miles of skywalk system here and it works wonders on a brutally cold, winters day. In the summer people choose to walk outside so it doesn't kill the streetlife. Skywalks are perfect for colder climates like Calgary, Minneapolis and yes Buffalo too (albeit slightly warmer!).
HOK is a good architectural firm and I hope they build a great building for Buffalo.
I wish Buffalo all the best (most of my close friends still live there) and I enjoy reading how it's getting better day by day.
At least the skywalk appears to be four floors up, instead of one like the Central Library's span over Ellicott.
The UB Medical School has set as one of its goals the creation of a great urban project.
This shows that the "better than nothing" crowd, that thinks mediocre is "good enough" is all wrong. If you want excellent design you can get it, right here in Buffalo.
Good point, Hamp. For $375 million dollars you can achieve great design. I learned a great lesson.
Cute, but you actually missed the point.
The cost for Canalside far exceeds UB Medical's first phase. Yet the design process and results for One Canalside fall short of what could have been a great urban design.
It's not a money issue. It's about vision and leadership.
I'm not sure I did. "vision" and "leadership" are just words. I could logically argue the big piece missing is "execution" and "consensus". It's way too much money to spend IMO but great for UB for attempting to secure public funds and moving this proposal to the next phase.
I just "love" putting "quotes" on stuff. It makes me feel "smart".
Rather than look for issues with the project, let's call it what it is, a great success for the city.
Let's not compare it to this or that. As a Buffalo-lifer, who attended UB, and owns property in this area, it's beyond anything I would have hoped for just a few years ago.
We've had the arrival of Terry Pegulla, a reprieve for the Statler, the Lafayette project, now this. The weather forecast is warming, maybe on a grander scale the city is entering a spring of it's own, after many years of a long drawn out economic winter. It's Buffalo, it's improving, and I'm glad I'm here.
With Children's on the opposite corner and the rest of the campus this creates some density that downtown has not seen in decades. We are talking 24/7 activity of working professionals, students, visitors, staff and residents that will need 24/7 services. It would be nice if this picked up the east end of Allen Street.A Co-op style market in Red Jacket building and a couple nice restaurants in the houses along Allen, I belive Enchante was thier a while back.
""We will not build any of the four designs," Shibley said. "This process was never intended to produce a winning design"
Wait, why are we getting bent out of shape about the design pictured?
We've spent the last three years turning the old Enchante Restaurant back into a private residence. The momentum that this will bring to this end of Allen is very exciting!
I think a number of property owners (at least me) are in wait and see mode. Let's take a very simple example...if the first floor of the proposed building has retail in it, let's say a Starbucks, and other restaurants, that will eliminate that type of company needing to lease/purchase/build something off campus.
My preference would be for people to need to find some amenities off campus, wandering off into Allentown, and improving the community as a whole.
The next few years will tell whether those property owners in the immediate vicinity were wise to stick with apartments, or doing more retail.
Any retail space on the first floor of this project fronting Main Street will only enhance the opportunities for retail on Allen Street. The density of med students and visitors here will find Allen Street as a great off campus hang-out and commercial activity at Main and Allen will only enhance the sense that the Med School is part of a great neighborhood encouraging a spill over onto Allen. The more active and dynamic a project at the end of Allen Street, the better for the street as a whole.
I'd keep all of the retail on Allen and Mail. Think of it like the Casino, if you locate everything in a Casino there's never a reason to leave and explore the surrounding area.
This is a spectacular design. If it turns out anything like the rendering, Buffalo should have a new architectural icon to add to its very long list of treasures.
Cars AND pedestrian access on the Allen Street extension please.
Can you define, cars and pedestrian access?
Maps and other renderings have been produced that show Allen continuing into the Medical Campus where the metro rail station currently sits. I think what WCP is saying is this should be for both cars and pedestrians.
I honestly couldn't see it being any other way? I doubt someone would make a road for just people (whoops Main St. is already like that) and not cars, or vice versa.
WC perspective, what is the impetus behind placing a vehicular extension through a mere two blocks? I am not sure what they are doing on the West Coast but internationally in dense urban environments, the planner play is accommodating pedestrian and alternative modes of transportation, not building roads two blocks.
What is gained there?
In my non-planner mind the two block extension is a functionally and psychologically improved connection between Allentown and the campus. we already know there's thousands of parking spaces for thousands of cars on the campus. May as well improve the infrastructure connection to integrate the neighborhoods instead of having the complex siphoned off from an intersection that could use some lovin'.
I know this design is not exactly what's going to be proposed, and I certainly hope the one that does get proposed is less of a fortress wall. I am not crazy about this design at all. It's impressive, but also very heavy and imposing. It looks like it's meant to keep people out of the medical campus, not invite them in.
Its a medical campus... you do want random people just wandering in.
Though it should be inviting for the patients I suppose.
HOK is the largest corporate architecture firm in the world. They are not going to produce a work of art in Buffalo, NY. Lets make that clear. This is not adding to Buffalo's legacy of extraordinary architecture. By selecting HOK, UB (Shibley and co.) are deciding that this is not that kind of project. The investment is great -- i'm not knocking that. I'm totally on board with the direction of the BNMC. But in terms of architecture - this is still just "good(for Buffalo)". We are still applying a very local standard to design in Buffalo. Thats whats so unfortunate about Shibley's authority. His rise is a doubling down on the Buffalo standard. Cornell is planning to build a new campus on Roosevelt Island in NYC. Cornell selected the architecture firm Morphosis out of a stellar group that included OMA, Diller Scofidio + Refro and Steven Holl. Morphosis is a firm that is prepared to produce innovative and historic work. So lets be very clear. When we read comments like "A-M-A-Z-I-N-G" or "This is a spectacular design." we are talking about the Buffalo standard and not the global standard.
Diller Scofidio and Renfro were selected as finalist but dropped out because they were chosen for another commission. So obviously the plan which they never submitted could not be evaluated. In other words whose fault was it that they were not chosen.
I read that in the last BRO article but since then I heard a different story from someone I know. Do you know for a fact that DS&R removed themselves from the competition and were not eliminated or disqualified? I'm sincerely asking because I do not know. Are you close to the process at all? Do you know if Diller Scofidio and Refro submitted any design work at all to this competiton?
That is about the most cynical post I've read on BR in a long time.
Starchitects don't always produce the best buildings. HOK may be big, but they also do good work.
UB's and Shibley's process seems to be very thoughtful (and very unusual for a university) and I believe it will produce a great building.
Oh am I treating one of the largest architecture firms in the world unfairly? HOK does good work, cannon does good work, karl frizlen does good work, Benderson does good work. Everyone does good work. How great for Buffalo.
I actually think an open competition where any architect can submit an entry anonymously would have been best. Don't you agree? Bring in the new blood, right? This was not that type of competition. This was more curated than that. If we are going to have an invitational competition of "the world's leading architectural firms" lets choose the ones that are run by visionaries. You called my comment cynical. I am not cynical. The word starchitect is cynical because it suggests that these firms are the products of media hype and not hard work and big ideas.
Frank Gehry and Daniel Liebskin are both very famous, but a lot of there work is awful.
HOK also produces crap. Buffalo just got lucky.
From the renderings it looks like it could be spectacular. Let's hope that bottom floor is packed with stores and restaurants and the design and size do not get watered down.
Kinda typical for HOK lately, a set of renderings that look nothing like one another, and are even further removed from the final product.
20 years ago, they actually tried, now they're so big that they've become cookie-cutter McArchitects.
I know thats not the selected design, but am I the only one who thinks it looks kinda ugly?
Just curious: do restaurants or other retail really belong in a medical school? Are there any in the current building?
It's all about mixed use. Yes, restaurants, retail etc belong in an URBAN medical school.
That's what will make UB medical more attractive to students.
Is there a reason not to mix uses? It seems like the natural thing to do on this site.
I'm not saying there shouldn't be a cafeteria. But would a Gap fit in this building? Or a TGIFriday's? I get the idea of mixed use, and I'm all for it. But in a medical school complex? Is there a precedence for it?
(this is one of those rare occurrences on here where a person is actually trying to initiate a legitimate, intelligent discussion, rather than throw stones)
Again why not a gap and who cares if there is no precedent ? The first floor of a major building on a commercial street needs to be permeable and open to all people for any number of uses. I see it as a perfect fit for this building.
.......and why not let develop spill into Allentown and help those neighborhoods. I think it would create a nice parallel. Living on shopping east of Main and a medical hub to the west.
Yeah, what a crime against urbanity that Trico never had quaint little shops and restaurants on the ground floor of their big factory either.
Louis, UB has an on campus retail cluster on North Campus called The Commons. I don't think they have anything like a Gap but it does have "neighborhood" level retail (pharmacy, coffee house, fast food etc).
But the thing is UB North houses 10's of thousands of students. This area will be dead after 5 oclock and the surrounding demographic could not support a GAP or any other first floor retail/restaurants. Bad idea at this point.
Some will disagree with me... but over the last 15 years this area has become 'busier' every year. The area is busy after hours, from Mothers/Tempo/Hardware/Colter Bay (I'm not naming alot...but you get the idea). An increasing number of BNMC people live in the area. Adding UB, and then Children's, will put it over the tipping point.
No, I agree. But ladyinwhite will tell you that the only thing this part of town has going for it is Mother's.
Some will disagree with me... but over the last 15 years this area has become 'busier' every year. The area is busy after hours, from Mothers/Tempo/Hardware/Colter Bay (I'm not naming alot...but you get the idea). An increasing number of BNMC people live in the area. Adding UB, and then Children's, will put it over the tipping point.
Its dead because all of the campus apartments and dormitories are far away, and have their own amenities.
I imagine locals are intimidated to enter the fortress of North Campus for the few decent restaurants they have there. Not to mention parking is impossible in the common's parking lot anytime before 5pm. (and they cannot park anywhere else without a permit).
So of course a gap could not be supported on North Campus...that is why there is a Gap less than a mile away at the Boulevard Mall, which is supported by locals, UB students, and Canadians alike.
The retail and shops on the medical campus will most likely cater to students. Do not expect anything great.
Now if we can get more people living downtown, then maybe a gap could be supported in the Mainplace Mall.
The medical campus wont be as imposing as the island of UB North; but the shops probably are not going to be the kind that attracts people from Allentown. ...though Allentown will almost certainly have the opposite effect. Especially considering many of the great restaurants.
I think we are agreeing and disagreeing at the same time. Allentown is already a great neighborhood, but it could use a little polishing if you get my drift. Think about it this way. Back in the olden steel days, you'd walk across the street and go to work. When you were done you'd walk back across the street and go home. We could do the same thing today. Dr's, nurses, and staff could walk across Main for work. Then walk back across Main when done, while passing tons of shops and restaurants (increasing the chance they'll frequent them). I also think locating shops and retail and restaurants inside the BNMC will keep people inside it's confies (see casino's) and make them less aware of their surrounding environment.
Hospitals and Universities don't empty out at 5:00 the way offices do.
Unfortunately for you I work at the biggest hospital in WNY and it's a ghost town by 3:30.
unfortunately for me, I've BEEN IN hospitals long after 5 and know they are not ghost towns. I've also been at UB long after 5 and know that it is not a ghost town either.
BEEN IN and WORKED IN, are two different things.
It is the most significant aspect of our city. Hopefully the design can support the interests of the community. A city within a city.
here's what i want to know. is it built to the lot line? are there corner entrances? will there be ground floor retail rather than blank walls or curtained windows?
With the success of this medical building, other buildings will come along. Dormitories, shops, etc. There is a lot of vacant land to build near Main on the east side. Allentown won't have any problem attracting people. We will have to manage the problems associated with this increase in population.
Not my favorite but quite good and HOK's solid reputation for delivering on budget and on schedule gives this plan a nice leg up. Note the classic HUGE floorplates that medical projects now demand. A new NYU medical tower going up in NYC will be only 21 stories but has 800,000 sq. ft. and costs over $1 billion.
For those dreaming of retail/dining establishments in conjunction with the UB med school coming downtown, consider this...
BGH and RPCI have a few THOUSAND employees between them, and there is not even a pizzeria within a block of either of them let alone a full service restaurant(beside Ulrich's). If a restaurant or food and beverage establishement can't make a go of it down here, how do you expect other types of retail to survive?
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A-M-A-Z-I-N-G. Let's hope this extraordinary new building elevates the level of new builds in Buffalo. This building (while immense in scope, budget, etc.) effectively complements Buffalo's historic gems.
Wish I felt as nearly as inspired by Benderson's, Frizlin's (newbuild), Uniland's, etc. work.