Real Estate May 9, 2012 12:00 PM

Plans Advance for Fruitbelt Townhouses

Plans Advance for Fruitbelt Townhouses
The Buffalo Planning Board approved plans for 49, two to four-bedroom residences in the Fruitbelt neighborhood.  St. John Community Development Corporation has been designated developer for the fifty City-owned properties needed for the project.  The Buffalo Common Council signed-off on the $80,500 sale in April.  

The new, affordable residences will be built on 17 scattered sites.  Buildings have been designed to complement the 28 townhouses units St. John CDC built five years ago with predominantly brick front facades, siding, cedar shingle accenting and full-front porches.  Parking will mostly be in the rear of the buildings and landscaping is proposed to be native and draught-tolerant.
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Planned buildings will have two to three townhouses each.  Three of the buildings along Virginia Street however will be ranch-style residences (elevations below), each containing a handicapped-accessible unit.  A two-bedroom ranch unit will be constructed at the southwest corner of Virginia and Lemon, a three-bedroom plan will be built at the northeast corner of Virginia and Maple and a four-bedroom plan will be built at the southwest corner of Mulberry and Virginia.

Foit Albert Associates is project architect.

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THIS is not what we were promised!!!!!!

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Promised? they don't owe you sh*t. God forbid some people with less money than your rich ass get to have a new home. When these are built in Williamsville or Elmwood you can talk, until then, quit bitching.

replied to Lego1981
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These designs already indicate brick, so it's not like they're going with cheap materials. No one is demanding more expensive design choices that would limit this development. Good proportions and careful material application don't cost more money. Neither do careful siting and landscaping. I imagine the people who will live in these homes would prefer that they not look cheap and advertise themselves as subsidized housing.

In the long run, designing these so that they attract additional residents and encourage new development will be the best thing for the city overall, including these residents.

replied to Polonia
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I don't agree at all that these are good for the city in the long run. Please, somebody tell me why are we building new subsidized housing.
Is there a shortage in the city?
Have all the $300 duplex units dried up?
Did section 8 stop all of the sudden?
Is there so much demand for existing space that this couldn't be satisfied with putting money in existing neighborhoods?

The answer to all of these is no. Once again there is too much welfare in Buffalo and NYS as a whole (double the national average per capita), and it puts a serious drag on the people and business's that actually create wealth. We need to stop building new subsided units ASAP, and cut benefits across the board. Imagine having tax rates that could actually attract people and business again!

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Promised as in those designs the media had last year showed completely different style of housing. These are the same style we see going up all over the east side. We will never see that part of the city prosper with cheap low income housing and ONLY that!

replied to Polonia
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Does “affordable residences” mean affordable to purchase for anyone from the starving artist to the returning Iraqi/Afghanistan veteran, who may be underemployed with a wife and children or is this the standard subsidized housing routine?

Also, how many of these units are ADA compliant?

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I would hope they would not discriminate against the soldier or anyone else. If the soldier buys a house, a good job at the BNMC comes with it.

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Very sad that there is not a modicum of taste left in new construction in Buffalo. Cheap, plastic, character-less, uninspiring....while Brown continues to test down historic, well-built properties throughout the East Side. Criminal.

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Wait, how are these evil?!

You people will bitch about anything.

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Everything the city does needs to reinforce Buffalo's desirability. The city needs to attract and retain residents. It's easy to shrug this kind of development off as unimportant because it's public housing and therefore design isn't or shouldn't be a primary concern. However, good design isn't necessarily more expensive than bad design. In fact, it can be less expensive if it's clever. All infill needs to be held up to high design standards. For better or worse, people respond to aesthetics. and there are a lot of cities competing for residents, both regionally and nationally. The city does its low-income residents a disservice if it fills the city up with unattractive buildings that drive away middle/upper income residents who can provide the tax revenue for essential services (like subsidizing this housing). If the city continues on with this design, it's missing out on competitive opportunity.

replied to Jesse
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What happend to the cool modern housing designs that this area was supppost to get? Mixed use housing, sleek designs, no front yards, and fit well with the growing medial and downtown development. THIS is just the same old cheap crap we've been seeing going up. What about this so called 'Green Code' we keep hearing about that will change all new development in this town?

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hamster houses i call them because they will be chewed up in 3-5 years !!!

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Future drug houses that my tax dollar$ will subsidize... Sect 8..the city ..the "connected" Rev. will all benefit...except for the Taxpayer...and what "middle class " family in their right mind would want to live here...just another product of benefitting from those poor people in guise of helping them.
Some people were destined to be renters...and some were destined to be owners...subsidized housing such as this, normally out of reach of the average owner , who dont have the financial ability to EITHER own OR MAINTAIN..guarantees future SLUMS...wait...history has shown to repeat itself..especially here in Buffalo...

replied to warehousedweller
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Just paint those row houses yellow and they look exactly like the new housing they just built on E. Ferry St. (announced on this same website). No originality in this town what so ever.

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How is that a "porch"? More pay-to-play crap. Please, Mr. US Attorney, get those arrest warrants for 2nd flr city hall already.

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FBI seriously needs to do a full investigation of City Hall and all their housing buddies... everyone and their "reverend" seems to have a hand in the pot in building subsidized houses in a city that has ZERO need for anymore cheap housing!

replied to Joe E.V.
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and a church is the developer ??????pleeeeeze !!!2nd floor at city hall must have collected the basket!!! PAY TO PLAY.SOMETHING STINKS REAL BAD HERE.......

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These houses are to replace the ones being demolished so the "Medical Corridor" can have its way, no? Building an exclusive factory-like complex for the medical industy, especially when its funding is on the verge of collapse, is nothing positive.

Ten years from now, the cry will be: "WHY did we build these giant hospitals nobody can pay for???!!!"

replied to warehousedweller
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I feel like they're trying desperately to make these look like separate houses. They're not. They're townhouses. Design them accordingly. The mix of materials and colors just makes it look cartoonish. Consider the whole building together and make an integrated overall design.

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Never noticed 'em before but there are great townhouses on Columbus Parkway, at Rhode Island I believe. Fit in with the neighborhood. But like I say below, having a couple trees around that are more than 10 years old really helps with a neighborhood's image.

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Stupid mistake!!!

Look at the density that we are creating in the downtown Life Sciences Campus which is the best part of Buffalo's growth. Are we going to artificially create barriers to that growth with low quality, low cost, low density municipal housing.

Let the Life Sciences Campus grow and everyone benefits.

There is no shortage of inexpensive places to live nor is there a shortage of land to put such housing.

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These look great. Good job St. John CDC. Huge win for everyone

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Huge win for the construction company, those at the "church" and at City Hall... for the people who are actually paying for this, not so much.

replied to YesSir
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I don't suppose that there will be any fruit trees in the fruit belt anytime soon either.

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Do they really look so great? When I look at them, I see "Projects For the Twenty-First Century." Why? They are built in the same areas where others either currently or formerly exist. The floorplans can easily be inferred as similar with repetitive patterns. And they do not look, despite the facades, like quality construction.

The government housing built around the city had been initially built to serve a similar population...the working poor and those just a step above. Then they became something different especially when the welfare culture prevailed.

I think these qualify better as the "Future Slums of America."

Slings and arrows expected and welcomed.

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But, Pegger, we need new housing for the poor so we can demo their old houses and pretend we are creating real 'Progress' in this city. It's almost election time again.

replied to Pegger
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Why is it so hard to replicate the Rabin Terrace development in other parts of the city? Props to the church for taking initiative, but this just is adding the other crappy looking homes that have been built on the east side.

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I'm a little ambivalent to Rabin Terrace. I don't mind them personally, but I've heard the case made from people not tickled by it and I can understand their POV. IMO a big difference between the Rabin Terrace and Cary developments is that it doesn't look barren like the newer east side developments. As in there is landscaping and trees. Density, too.

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Two years ago the projects at Carolina and Busti were completely redone with millions in taxpayer money. I was able to see the project in several stages and was appalled by what was going on. Finding feces among other treasures on the walls and scattered throughout the old units was only a small surprise. The real surprise was seeing a few units that had been completely redone (which looked very nice at point of completion)and within a month, they were already trashed. I really don't think anyone could really imagine what the sight was unless you were actually there. Mind you, taxpayer money also payed to have the "tenants" moved in and out while their units were being modernized.

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All of these new "homes" aren't new for very long. Its unfortunate but it seems that in WNY and especially East Buffalo that the people who are working the least to make the poor "not poor" are infact the poor themselves.

Why on earth is the City involved in project that calls for "rental subsidies"? Theres no shortage of livable housing for $350 a month all over east buffalo...so this is essentially a blank check donation to the church.

$80500 for 17 parcels in direct proximity to the Medical campus...seems a bit low does it not? A dream of mine would be an exit of the municipal housing market for the city..period. Projects of the future..LOLOLOL..you got that right.

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An updated ghetto. Nothing more nothing less. So much for wanting doctors, nurses and other professionals to live in the area.

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Would you live in the neighborhood if a brick mansion were built for you there?

These replies are frankly elitist. Is any one of the negative commentators a resident of that community?

replied to ladyinwhite
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Not elitist, I think it's just citizens who wish Byron and friends to stop funneling tax money to cronies for some ridiculous game... It's time to stop these crooks from profiting off poverty.

replied to BPS_Rising
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Even if mansions were built in that area, they wouldn't sell unless they were affordable. When people choose a place to be, they must consider many factors. One of them would be to think about who they would be rubbing elbows with on a daily basis. I would question where I would be shopping and where my kids would be attending school.

But it seems to me that these will be perfect for the targetted "purchasers" as they are new versions of what they already have.

replied to BPS_Rising
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I'm was referring to all of these "ugly housing!" comments.

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St. John has a track record, spanning decades, of commendably maintaining its properties, as evidenced by their McCarley Gardens (located a few feet from the Hauptman-Woodward Research Institute).

They have announced they will be spending $100,000 yearly for professional management of the new townhouses. (The townhouses they already built, like McCarley Gardens, do not look cheap.)

Re: “An updated ghetto. Nothing more nothing less.” Make sure that Roswell is notified. Upon receipt of the cynical opinion, perhaps they will halt further expansion in the area.

Forty-nine new, good quality housing units where there were barren, forsaken City lots is a great thing for the Fruit Belt, Medical Campus and the City.

Best wishes and many hats off to St. John!

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