City April 19, 2012 12:05 AM

Railroad Renaissance: An Urbane North Buffalo Community

Railroad Renaissance: An Urbane North Buffalo Community

UB Law School's Regional Economic Development class is bringing fresh economic development ideas to neighborhoods that need a boost.  "Railroad Renaissance: An Urbane North Buffalo Community" was created by the student team of Michael Cimasi, Shervin Rismani and Jeffrey Tyrpak, with Teresa Bosch de Celis and Meng Yu. Below is an abbreviated version of their report.

This project seeks to blend certain notions of idyllic urbanity with a pre-existing North Buffalo Community by introducing a new mixed-use, pedestrian-friendly yet auto accessible, Boulevard across the now vacant Erie-Lackawanna Railroad Corridor (hereinafter the Corridor) between Delaware and Colvin Avenues.  The goal is to improve the neighborhood for current residents, and attract newcomers. 

THE NEIGHBORHOOD
The focus neighborhood lies on the northern edge of the city of Buffalo, and possesses little unity in the community sense. The investigators have determined the boundaries to be major roads that completely box in the area: Delaware Avenue, Kenmore Avenue, Colvin Avenue, and Hertel Avenue. While the neighborhood abuts Hertel Avenue, it does not enjoy the same cache as the neighborhoods near Elmwood Avenue or Allen Street.

The neighborhood's interior is dominated by residential housing and apartments. Most of the housing is multi-family, and most of the apartment buildings are two floors. As a result, this neighborhood is very dense. In a roughly 0.4 square mile area, there is a population of 4,876 according to the 2010 U.S. Census. That is roughly 12,340 people per square mile. As dense as that may seem, there is not a great deal of sidewalk life.

RRR1.bmpMost of the houses were built from 1920 through the 1930's, although some date back to at least 1895. In the northern part of the neighborhood, above the railway corridor, post World War II single-family homes date from the late 1950's.

One of the greatest strengths of this neighborhood is its population density. While some people would consider this a weakness, for an urban neighborhood, density is necessary for vitality and can bring a number of benefits. It can provide a higher volume of customers to local businesses, and promote safety by having more "eyes on the street" as Jane Jacobs described.  Density can also help build a sense of community, or neighborhood, if people routinely physically encounter their neighbors and local workers. Related to this, most of the houses have a front porch, at least on the second floor, which keeps more people watching the street than if everyone retreated to their backyards.

Another strength of this area is its economic diversity. As mentioned before, about one-third of the houses are owner-occupied. Besides the mix of renters and owners within the houses, there are also apartments and municipal housing units in the neighborhood. This mixture generally means there is a greater economic diversity within the neighborhood. Economic diversity is helpful in two very important ways for this project. First, it means that a wider variety of businesses can be supported. Second, it generally should prevent the neighborhood from shifting to extremes--overly wealthy with highly inflated real estate, or tragically poor with the scar of vacancy.

RRR2.bmpAREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT
The most glaring problem with the neighborhood, especially from an aerial view, is the old Erie Railroad Corridor that bifurcates the neighborhood on an East-West axis. The area north of the old railroad corridor is isolated and abuts the City line. There are no through streets connecting north-south across the railroad corridor within the neighborhood boundaries previously established. In order to walk or drive between the two disconnected areas, one must either use Colvin or Delaware Avenues; both of which have high traffic volume. Although relatively well hidden by trees and houses, the old railroad corridor is an eyesore.  It is also most likely an environmental hazard given that railroad tracks were notorious dumping grounds for many years in Buffalo's industrial past.

Another problem to address is the lack of foot traffic. While some people will wander down the streets with bags from stores, it is rare that someone will go anywhere on foot, unless they are walking the dog. Three factors greatly affect foot traffic. First, the major streets on the boundaries of the neighborhood make it unattractive for pedestrians. Other than Hertel, the major streets are not conducive to foot traffic, and all of them are difficult to cross. Second, there is nowhere to go within the neighborhood. Buildings that used to have ground-level corner stores on Tacoma Avenue now have apartments on both floors, forcing residents to leave the neighborhood in search of retail. Finally, the railroad easement cuts the neighborhood into north and south. Pedestrians in the north are completely cut off from the rest of the neighborhood and Hertel Avenue unless they want to walk out to Colvin or Delaware Avenues as evident in the Google Map image (right).

This problem may be ameliorated by improving another neighborhood weakness--lack of mixed-use. While several buildings on Delaware Avenue exhibit mixed-use, few buildings on the edges or interior of this neighborhood do. Mixed-use should help bring people onto the streets, and allow people to walk places where they would previously have driven.

Long blocks are yet another problem. Most of the blocks are very short in one direction, and very long in the other. These directions switch throughout the neighborhood. While shorter blocks have a number of advantages, including making people more likely to walk, this has not been a major focus of this project.  One must choose battles wisely, and this battle would involve significant residential displacement.

Lastly, while there is a great deal of commercial development on the edges of the neighborhood, it is wholly lacking in the interior. Necessities, like a full grocery store, are missing from the immediate area around the neighborhood. Hertel used to have multiple grocery stores, but now only boasts specialty markets. One substantive goal of this project is to provide a local grocery within walking distance to offer an alternative to driving to the Tops Market on Elmwood Avenue, or the Wegman's on Amherst Street.

All told there are many areas for improvement around, within and throughout the neighborhood.  This project will mostly focus on improving the quality of life and access to services within the neighborhood by developing the old Erie Railroad Corridor.  This development will connect the neighborhood north to south, and hopefully draw more public focus within the neighborhood utilizing the access provided by the major traffic arteries surrounding it on all sides.

PRO-DEVELOPMENT ARGUMENTS
The overriding goal of our proposed development is the transformation of a vacant land into a productive center of commercial and residential activity.

RRR3.bmpOur vision of this development is somewhat based on the mixed commercial-residential district known as the "Shops at Don Mills" in the city of Toronto. As you will see in the pictures above, this district consists of narrow streets with two to three story buildings on either side. There is ample parallel street parking, and a large multi-story parking garage located at the corner of the district. This new commercial-residential development has successfully revived an area previously in rapid decline. Since the initial construction and development, several new loft-style residential buildings have been erected that have increased the population density and provided more foot traffic in the center of the development. The presence of the center itself, and its style and structures, have also helped to sell the multi-story residential units to young professionals and empty nesters--both seeking walk-able, urban living outside of the downtown core of Toronto. The shops and stores located in the district vary in nature thus feeding the appetite of all ages and walks of life. There are mid-range to high-end cafes and restaurants, as well as mid- to high-end clothing stores, book stores, modern bars, two large grocery stores, and a large green space that is converted to a skating rink in the winter.  Thus, the center has been able to create an affordable lifestyle that people want to buy, without having to move to the overly expensive and overcrowded downtown Toronto area.


To achieve the above stated goals, we set certain parameters for the Railroad Renaissance renewal project. These parameters are:

 The creation of a mixed-use avenue on the old Erie Railroad track corridor as a generator of diversity. Such an avenue would be a multi-purpose, multi-use district, thus allowing people to be on the streets at different times doing different things (increasing the eyes on the street).

 Encourage foot traffic by designing a pedestrian friendly destination. We want our district to have relatively short blocks, and attractive terminating vistas, allowing people to easily walk from one store to another, window shop, and enjoying the experience.

 Incorporate public green space. It would be family-friendly place to sit and enjoy a summer's afternoon and people-watch.

 Unobtrusive car access and parking to allow for commuter consumers. As Buffalo has a culture of driving, we must provide sufficient space for cars if this development is to become a destination for consumers from outside the neighborhood. We also must take into account the often severe winter conditions in this part of the Northeast. Thus, plow-accessible streets and areas designated for snow piling must be provided to ensure that inclement weather does not hamper drivers and pedestrians from accessing neighborhood retailers.

 Increase the flow of people through the district by making it as accessible as possible. This would be achieved by connecting the southern region of the neighborhood to the northern region via the extension of Virgil Avenue.

 Plant seeds for the organic and natural re-development of Colvin Avenue into a mixed-use street. In that regard, we want to develop the intersection of Colvin Avenue and the new Railroad Renaissance Boulevard for mixed-use, as a gateway for new development.  Our vision for the street involves multi-story buildings on both sides of the street, which allows for the creation of commercial space and parking. The form of the new developments should be controlled in order to achieve certain uniformity in development; construction should be limited to brick or stone buildings that will allow for graceful aging.

RRR4.bmpCURRENT OWNERSHIP
The interior of the corridor between Colvin and Delaware Avenues is divided into several undeveloped tracts with titles held by the Plaza Group 152, and Belvedere Home Improvement with some vacant warehouse structures present.  The western end of the corridor at Delaware Avenue is owned by the Carubba Collision shop there present, and the eastern end is owned by Wesselmann's Dry Cleaning under the corporate seal 564 Colvin Ave., Inc. and Coby's Affordable Auto & Plate Service.  All of the interior tracts are necessary for development, but the dry cleaner and collision shop at either end need not be displaced.  They own undeveloped tracts adjacent to their businesses that could be acquired for entrance ways while leaving their principal businesses undisturbed.  Coby's Affordable Auto & Plate Service, however, will have to be acquired and demolished as it extends into the interior of the corridor along its center.     

In order to connect the existing neighborhood to the new Corridor, Virgil Avenue will be extended as a through-street.  This would require demolishing one four-unit brick apartment building on the south side of the Corridor at Virgil Avenue.  This is the only planned residential displacement, and could hopefully be accomplished without the use of Eminent Domain.  As this through-street will be necessary to create a community, as opposed to an isolated retail strip, the acquisition of this property will be essential. 

PHASING
Once the title or option to land is acquired, workable zoning codes arranged, and environmental issues mitigated, initial investments along with commercial and residential anchors are more likely to be enticed.  The first pressing investment must be a full grocery store.  In order to develop a pedestrian-friendly community, there must be a grocery store within walking distance.  In order to attract upwardly-mobile young singles and families, as well as empty-nesters, a unique grocery boutique chain such as Trader Joe's may be a worthwhile pursuit for the project.  Trader Joe's has a full line of grocery products that are reasonably priced, many of which are novelty and organic.  See Trader Joe's: http://www.traderjoes.com/.   The reasonable prices will ensure that everyone in the current neighborhood can shop there (as opposed to a more pricy options such as the Fresh Grocer or Whole Foods), and the chain's novelty in the Buffalo area will attract customers from outside the immediate neighborhood.   Thus, a Trader Joe's could act as a commercial anchor carving out the new Corridor as both a community and a destination. 

Initial residential building is also imperative.  In order to sell a cosmopolitan atmosphere to future builders and developers, the basic paradigm must be in place as soon as possible including attractions, retail, and residential.  At least three buildings at a minimum of two stories each would be erected around the traffic circle formed at the confluence of Railway Renaissance Boulevard and Virgil Avenue.  These buildings would have large-window retail space on the first floor, and attractive apartments above with urban balconies looking out over the sidewalk and circle.  It is hoped that one development firm would undertake the effort to ensure greater uniformity in the initial design and expedite the progress of the initial phases, but if need be, multiple interests can easily be coordinated. 

Initial retail commitments will focus on higher-end boutique and corporate clothiers such as H&M, Anthropologie, Banana Republic and the Gap.  These types of stores with their massive advertising and sales apparatus can serve as retail anchors.  They will draw people into the area for shopping, and the smaller cafes and shops that develop will enrich the consumers' experience.  It is hoped that a perception of Railroad Renaissance as a destination for leisure, shopping, casual browsing, people watching and dining would eventually develop.  The demographic specifications and interests of the various corporate chains would need to be evaluated and assessed to determine which would best fit the vision. 

The initial grocery, residential and retail commitments are imperative to ensure that the Corridor develops as an urbane, mixed-use community with street life, not just another urban big box or retail strip.

RRR7.bmpINFRASTRUCTURE
After grading and remediation of the site, the main street, Railroad Renaissance Boulevard, will be driven through between Delaware and Colvin Avenues.  This Boulevard will facilitate one ten-foot wide lane of traffic in either direction divided by intermittent eight-foot wide medians with ample parallel parking.  The speed limit will be maintained at twenty-five miles per hour, and pedestrian cross-walks will be frequent and well marked with paving stones, lines, and conspicuous signs giving pedestrians the right-of-way.  There will also be a traffic circle at the intersection of Railroad Renaissance Boulevard and Virgil Avenue surrounded by green space with a three-tier, Baroque-style fountain in its center.  This fountain and surrounding green space will be the architectural and conceptual center piece of the entire development.   The circle, along with the interspersed medians, break the view from monotonous, endless street views to short, congenial expanses that will be populated by shops, cafes and green space. 

The sidewalks will be six to ten feet wide and designed in brick and cobble-like stones to give a more aesthetic appeal than stark cement or pavement.  The black, wrought-iron street lights will overhang with soft light.   Black wrought-iron bicycle racks and public waste bins will be placed at standard intervals on alternating sides of the Boulevard.  Many of the municipal utilities (street lights, bicycle racks, waste bins, etc.) will be emblazoned with "Railroad Renaissance, City of Buffalo" to reinforce neighborhood identity while giving recognition to the greater metropolis.  More to this effect, each entrance (i.e. Delaware Avenue, Colvin Avenue, and Virgil Avenue both north and south) will have a stone or brick gateway with "Railroad Renaissance" emblazoned in copper or brass accented by decorative lighting and attractive landscaping.

As this is designed to be both a self-sufficient neighborhood and a destination for those traveling by car, three municipal parking lots will be placed along Railroad Renaissance Boulevard.  This is critical as Buffalo is a driving city; due to weather and sprawl, the resulting transportation culture prefers automotive transportation.  The consumer population is acutely aware of locations with "good parking" which can effect decisions as to leisure destinations.

RRR6.bmpINITIAL CONSTRUCTION
Initial construction will begin with Trader Joe's between Delaware and Virgil Avenues, mixed-use housing units with ground floor retail and cafes around the traffic circle at Virgil Avenue and Railroad Renaissance Boulevard (above), and one or two anchor clothiers between Virgil and Colvin Avenues. 

These initial merchants will provide the much needed grocery outlet and retail base allowing the entire neighborhood to be more "walk-able" for those within, and a worthwhile destination for those from outside.  Initial residents, enticed by the wide avenues, pleasant green spaces, and myriad commercial options, will come to appreciate the comforts of a shrewdly designed urban landscape.

SUSTAINABLE GROWTH & CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT
More apartments/condominiums, restaurants, hair salons/barbers, drug stores, pizzerias, and professional offices (e.g. physicians and attorneys) will be solicited to add depth and further varied uses.

But the hallmark of the intended development is multiple developers acting independently to attain organic, sustainable growth.  If this development is successful, this "final phase" will have no terminus.  Any healthy region is constantly being revitalized and repurposed to meet the needs of the people as the community morphs and develops around it.  This natural process will be supported and tempered by the Form Based Design Code; furthermore, the ample parking, abundant pedestrian thoroughfares, and accessible green spaces will ensure the culture, strengths and magnetism of this new urban space are resilient. 

CONCLUSION
This is an ambitious project that seeks to create a novel space in Buffalo.  Though it may share some attributes with the Elmwood Village or Allentown, it would have life all its own.  It would bring to Buffalo an environment much like the Shops at Don Mills in Toronto, South Street in Philadelphia, or M Street in Georgetown.  This rough sketch can only dance on the edges of this massive project's myriad particularities.  It does seem evident, however, that the Corridor is ripe for development, and could offer great possibilities to the City of Buffalo should its promotion and growth be managed wisely.  

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Pure fantasy with the current state of the neighborhood. This neighborhood is definitely struggling and doesn't have the income to support any sort of transformative retail.

Delaware and Elmwood Avenues are over-retailed as it is. Look at what comes into the Tops Plaza now - "urban" clothing retailers, beauty supply stores etc while the nearby Regal Plaza struggles to fill any of their long-term vacancies. Not any sign of a blossoming neighborhood.

How about the city putting some money over here? I will never understand why neighborhoods that are long dead and abandoned get money pumped into them when struggling working class neighborhoods such as North Buffalo are absolutely STARVED for investment and new infrastructure. Some of these streets haven't seen new trees or pavement in literally decades! Look at the attention paid to Kenmore or Colvin Avenues. The housing stock is at the critical point between being saved with new investment and homeowners, or becoming another absentee landlord ghetto. Why not invest some of that housing money into improvement programs for owner-occupiers of the doubles? Why not double down on police patrols and work with neighbors to get some of these awful tenants out? Oh wait, your pay-to-play buddies can't make any money off of being poverty pimps that way.

I won't be surprised if inaction holds once again. Urkel, LoCurto, and the rest of the council let another neighborhood slide into destruction without a peep, like every administration before them. What a joke our "leadership" is.

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Well the problem with Kenmore is that half of it is either the Town of Tonawanda or The Village of Kenmore. The city only owns the south-side of the street.

Though yes, if Buffalo cleaned up its half, I think Tonawanda and Kenmore would follow suit.

Personally I think the Railroad Corridor project is a good idea. It would give people from the suburbs a reason to come to North Buffalo potentially...or at least many of the downstate expats at UB or Buff State.

Everyone has to eat and wear clothing regardless of economic stature, and Trader Joes would not be aching to make a profit. Not to mention the potential for residential units above those shops along the strip, strengthening the economical viability of the neighborhood.

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Oh and I forgot Amherst also owns a good strip of Kenmore Avenue between Niagara Falls Blvd and Main Street.

That's four other municipalities that the city has to deal with.

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You are right, probably fantasy, but a little fantasy is what planning in Buffalo needs. If this developement actually happened it would not just serve that neighborhood, it would be a destination, just like Elmwood is a destination, Walden Galleria etc..One reason that the Tops plaza that you say is a dump/vacant is that it is just not an inspiring place to go. This plan is designed as a place you want to go to.

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No! No! No! This should be a transit corridor. Right-of-way like this are extremely valuable, and Buffalo's lucky to have them, even if not in use presently. Paving it over for another road for cars and a Trader Joe's – really, this is the best we can do? – is the type of short-term thinking that has plagued the region for a half century now.

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Ready for this when you are City of Buffalo!!

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I participated in this project with the law school. But my name is written incorrect, it's Teresa Bosch de Celis. Would you be able to correct the error please?
It was really challenging to work with lawyers for the design of new neighborhoods. Really interesting.

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Fixed. Sorry about that. :(

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wrongheaded idea . . . trying to invent a destination for retail in this corridor will only siphon off business from Hertel, etc.

I agree with sampson: keep the right of way. If some mass transit spur could be connected here in the future, it would do much more to enhance the neighborhood than another retailish street.

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It irks me when people use URBANE when they really mean URBAN. It happens a lot in comments on this site but, I would think a UB educated group (or their professor) might have caught the difference — or, maybe they were just being witty?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/urbane

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Inconceivable!

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I hope this isnt the New York Central or the Belt-Line both of which should be re-activated...but hey I know its a dream since we cant even get the Light Rail to the ECC/Larkin District or Central Terminal.

I just think that the Belt-Line really becomes feasible to connect Delaware, Elmwood/Amherst, Buffalo State, Grant/Amherst, Niagara, D'Youville, LaSalle Park to the DL&W return.

If that does become feasible and the beltway is used for Light Rail then the New York Central becomes viable for freight again.

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The Belt Line (with is the same thing as the New York Central line) is to the south of here, to the south of Linden Avenue. It is an active freight line.

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While I'd love to see it happen out of my own selfishness it's a silly idea. The area (solid middle class at best) does not have the income to support the types of national retail they'd want to put there (anthropologie etc). The houses in the area will never be conducive to an upper class neighborhood so the area will always be middle class.

It would also have serious issues attracting out of area people. From a sub-urban and Canadian prospective, it'd be hard to get to compared to the Galleria/NFB. A grocery store will never draw from out of the area when there are 1 or 2 wegmans in each major suburban area.

I'd like to see the area cleaned up and be transformed into a linear park with ball fields/courts, playgrounds and a bike path. Maybe squeeze in a 4 lane 400meter running track (closest public one is crosby field). It's something that the area could and would use.

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I also forgot to mention that there is already a lot of retail in the immediate area and a bunch that is vacant. I'd hate to see this pull/kill retail in our already developed areas.

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I can tell that the students put a great deal of work into this, and I applaud their enthusiasm and creativity.

That said, I am not a fan of this idea at all. Buffalo does not need to be building any new neighborhoods where none previously existed, period. We need to be investing in and shoring up our existing infrastructure. The mixed-use business districts for this neighborhood are Hertel and Kenmore. Colvin and Tacoma have some currently languishing retail spaces that could be reactivated. Delaware really ought to be more pedestrian-scaled, but probably never will be unless gas prices rise so much that car culture totally fizzles out. It seems like this section of Delaware is our ritual sacrifice to the suburban retail form in the new Green Code.

I think this land ought to be cleaned up and maintained as a linear park with walking and bicycling trails, maybe with a playground and a water sprinkler. I'm thinking something like Isle View Park in Tonawanda along the bike trail by the river (just south of Niawanda Park). This is a neighborhood that doesn't have a whole lot of easily available parkland; you generally have to go down to Delaware Park. If it's too expensive for the city to maintain a full park, perhaps a simple trail could be paved through it and the rest left as natural growth.

The city should also make sure it retains a right-of-way for potential transit expansion along this line. I think this line would be one of the lowest priorities, given it has already been blocked by new buildings, but the right-of-way should be preserved in case we end up needing it someday.

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I worked on this project, and we considered the use of a transit corridor. I would have liked to include that in our plans, but with Colvin Estates going up across Colvin, the train would either need to go under that neighborhood, or through it - and I honestly can't imagine the residents of Colvin Estates would want a train down their new suburban-style street. However, if that problem could be solved there could be a street-level train (or a an underground one) put in the design. This corridor links to the LaSalle station on Main, where another corridor exists up to Tonawanda, making this area great for public transit.
Also, this is an abbreviated version of the project, and I believe we included a bike path into the final version along this corridor that we hoped could connect to other corridors in the area.

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Well, there was an easement reserved on the south side of Colvin Estates for a future rail line. (But I share your skepticism about the likelihood of protest from the homeowners about a train running behind their houses - a very literal "Not In My Back Yard" sitation!)

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I run in the area and all these old railroad grades are so perfect for for a bike path. It would be great to connect delaware, colvin, starin, university heights with a path behind taunton. Then turn north and go up next to parker/colvin all the way into the tonawandas. It's already used as such by many folks and a little grading would be great. You can even leave it as a graded dirt/cinder path, don't even need to pave. It's stupid the county/local muni's can't get this done.

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Leave the green space alone please until someone has the initiative and means to do something intelligent with it. This is well presented, thoughtful plan, by some intelligent folks, no doubt (not patronizing I mean that, but try living there a few months). However it is wrong, wrong, wrong, for the reasons already mentioned. Look no further than the disaster on the other side of Colvin as proof that inaction can be better than foolish, selfish action. "LoCurto's Folly" a la the Gordon/Burke cabal has ruined an even more promising corridor than the one in question here. Stop the bulldozer's, cut your losses, and work on electing some idea-driven people to city hall, instead of the dole-apportioning hack patrons we have now.

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Can we get these guys to work on downtown's MAIN STREET?????? It needs alot of work and probably more visited.

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silly waste of space. We have plenty of commercial corridors in North Buffalo. Hertel, Kenmore, Elmwood, Main, Delaware. Colvin and Tacoma even have commercial. The community doesn't need or want another one.

What the community needs is green space and a little room to breath. Recreational trails for running, dog and 5 year old walking within close proximity to where people live. Getting in your car to drive to Shoshone or Delaware defeats the purpose.

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Why not just re-develope Delaware Ave. & Elmwood Aves. from Kenmore Ave. to Amherst St? RE-DO it correctly.

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Interesting - perhaps once they have taught the lawyers to design cities they can have the lawyers teach the architects and urban designers how do design cities. They have not had that knowledge for several decades now.

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Wow, if the contempt in your comment was any more palpable I might have mistaken you for the Queen Mother at the marriage ceremony of Prince Charles. This was a didactic exercise... meant to bring together two different disciplines that normally work in their respective silos.

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And my comment was meant to express my frustration with the horrible design of a fast majority of what is built and planned today. Do you dispute that?

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don't take my previous comment to harsh, I think it is great that lawyers and urban planners are getting together to work through ideas. Perhaps this isn't the best real world location for that kind of a development, but in the end it isn't about the location but the process. I hope they both learned something from each other in the process.

Now, next task. Figure out how to remove some lawsuits and liability from the construction industry so we can actually start building great cities again. How many people get penalized (by higher prices) because they wanted a walk up attic in a new build or a new roof on the 4 story Victorian. Costs driven up because of liability and lawsuits. Solving that would be a project!

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Isolated? I could not think of a better description of this part of the city. It never had a sense of cohesion or neighborhood and I don't think it ever will despite the lofty aspirations to change that. Just my opinion.

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Much has been made about the decline of big box retailing and chains moving to smaller format stores. If this section of the railroad bed isn't the best fit for this idea, perhaps it can be modified and used as a potential redevelopment strategy for Delaware Consumer Square if Target or Tops were ever to downsize.

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Ya know what the problem is with a plan like this..it makes too much sense. Developed/established cities would be aching for an opportunity like this..increase the tax base..revenue generation..stabilization of the neighborhood..(lets not pretend any of the homes on St. Lawerence are worth saving) Strap on the devlopment feed bag and watch the coffers fill!!

Funny those students mention density..while Kohls executives said the same thing when they built their North Buffalo location as well. The basics of this plan are great..if it had a life style center-ish feel to it and they concentrated on retail that is new to Erie County as a whole..it would sell itself. One of the main problems with Buffalo is the lack of "everyday" job centers like the Galleria or NFB..something like this would be a huge draw for the neighborhood on either side of Kenmore Avenue.

I prefer Hertel over any other commercial district in Buffalo..its highly functional compared to others and fits my needs very well day to day. But I will say it lacks the direction of the Elmwood Village association and doesn't have the character of Allentown. Hence the comments about "cache" or "cohesion"..I get it...and I agree they need a plan.

But instead of praising/being constructive with a plan like this we take a "substandard" commercial district (Hertel) and defend it from competition..because its substandard and it'll siphon business away from its substandardness?

We can't have a open air market at Canal side..because we have a crappy barely breathing market 30 minutes away that everyone should go to instead.

They shouldn't build commercial space here...theres a crappy plaza from the 80's on Elmwood..owned by a company from out of town that doesn't give a sh*t about any of their properties in the area that needs to be filled up first..

Instead of thinking of what would be best financially speaking for the city..for property values..neighborhood..we come up with the never ending drabble of highspeed rail..or a bike trail..a linear park. As if thats going to be anything else but a place for BPS truants to smoke cigarettes or another park for the city to "maintain".

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I agree pure fantasy. The Trader Joe's logo splashes everywhere are utterly ridiculous, time after time they have said that Buffalo doesn't meet their demographic needs. Trader Joe's is owned by Aldis and the Aldis brand stores are located wherever the demographics are unsuitable for Trader Joe's. ANd sure enough their is Aldi's a few blocks away.

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I think the most impressive thing about this proposal is the volume and variety of responses it engendered. I have lived in North Buffalo for almost 40 years and I have to say that what's happening on Hertel now is rather exciting. I can't say that I would be in favor of the UB students' ideas to create yet more retail space. But I do believe that North Buffalo has reason now to create a cohesive branding strategy to promote the area. Why even bother doing that? Because we do have significant assets - commercial, residential, parks, public and private schools, families, and people with jobs. I'd like to see this area of the city survive and thrive.

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