A Spark Leads to Fire @ Long Forgotten Urban Park
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Leave a commentA food truck and a coffee/ice cream truck, with tables and chairs set up daily in summer would be cool and nice hangout for students, or even a permenent kiosk like shake shack in NYC. Concrete chess tables a small news stand. Ice sculptures and designer lighting in winter.
The Whole Hog truck used to set up there almost daily; it was sort of their standard spot. Not sure if they still do.
Does this mean, those of us who work and live downtown can actually enjoy this little park without avoiding it due to the areas homeless and drug addicts always occuping it?
The fountain should be seen as the park's best assets & be restored to operation. The white noise of water falling would enhance the overall ambience of the park more than gutting it and turning it into planters would. But it is not my money being spent. At the very least, something is being done.
I think this would be a great place for H.H Richard's unused triumphal arch design. Richardson was originally awarded the commission for the Civil War Memorial in Lafayette Square. He designed a Romanesque arch with a large freize of sculpted soldiers. Unfortunately, it was never completed due to lack of funds. They later chose a new architect and a different design. However, Richardson's design later went on to inspire the arch in Washington Square Park in Manhattan. This may be a good opportunity to revisit and utilize that concept. It could be an arch celebrating Buffalo's history, prosperity, beauty and diversity. Rather than soldiers, the freize could instead depict notable Buffalonians or just try to encapsulate the spirit and history of the city.
I'd also suggest removing the parking lot just north of the ECC main building. ECC's other property at Oak & Division could also use a refresh or be displaced for more parkland.
Nicholas Tyler Miller, what an inspiration you are for your vision.
I agree. That would be an incredible addition to Buffalo's cultural and architectural heritage.
How can Buffalonians make that happen? I wish we had a list for Buffalo that we could pick say 1 project every year or every 5 years....
One of Downtown's under used green Spaces,I agree the fountain should be restored and hopefully the activity will drive away the Riff-Raff..
Right! Just like in "Fighting Back" starring Tom Skerritt.
This is a nice little park that sucks because of where it is not because of its design or even because of its lack of maintenance. It sucks because there is no reason to have a park here. This should be buildings with people in it like it used to be before the "green space" fetish took over urban design.
This park is stranded in a sea of asphalt. No one goes there because they have no reason too. The very successful urban open space at M&T Plaza and Cathedral Park are well used because of beautiful design and accessibility.
No amount of maintenance and patrolling is going to get people to use this park unless they need a place to sleep. The fountain is actually quite nice when it is running. turning it into a garden will just make this park more of a joke and an insult to the buildings that were needlessly removed in an effort to turn this part of the city into a sprawl wasteland.
http://www.buffalorising.com/2011/02/parks-greenspace-and-vacant-properties.html
I agree. You can't improve this park without addressing the parking lots and low-intensity buildings that surround it. The park needs to be surrounded by buildings that define the space and provide a reason to be in the area. This park is really the front lawn of ECC's campus. It really could be a very dynamic urban space. If ECC could be convinced to utilize the AM&As building, this would likely be a cross-roads of the student life.
A similar discussion has been going on in Cleveland in regard to Public Square. People wonder why it isn't as utilized as much as they feel it should be. So, the city decided to solicit design ideas. Many great designs were submitted, but no one took issue with the enormous parking lot adjacent to the square. That parking lot also has the unfortunate side-effect of isolating the vibrant Warehouse district from the rest of Downtown. In my opinion, that's the biggest design flaw, not the aesthetics of the actual park.
hearty agreement from this corner.
the cure for bad urbanism (gap-toothed street wall, vacant lots, massive surface parking, deep setbacks, blank walls, single-use-single-story econoboxes) is not imitation ruralism.
the cure for bad urbanism is good urbanism.
What would they do in Chicago Steel?
I am not clear on what you are asking. What would Chicago do about what? Do you mean by Chicago the City of Chiocago government? What is the point of your question?
I think Steel hit the nail on the head. We could spend millions on this park and it would never really be used by people because it's surrounded by busy roads. The Gates Circle fountain park is like this too.
Could they narrow both Division streets down to one lane on that block to make the streets more cross-able.
I think Nicolas' idea of a larger monument has potential too. Because it's something that can be viewed from a distance... A park to be looked at instead of a park to be used.
Some sidewalks along North and South Division can also help, to keep a pedestrian friendly traffic flow along with easing traffic on those streets so it does'nt feel like an expressway which kind of keeps pedestrians away (deserted park). Just an idea.
agreed. if we cannot have good urbanism there, at least we can have a genuine urban square. the landscape design conventions established by olmsted are now so obligatory that it would help our thought process immensely if we distinguished between a park and a square.
we shouldn't try to shoehorn naturalized wooded landscapes (i.e. parks) into the heart of downtown, just like we should never have shoehorned bad forms of urbanism (highways) into our olmsted parks & parkways.
lafayette square is a fine model. it has sidewalks on all sides, regularly spaced trees which (very important!) do not block sight lines into and out of the park. it has narrow traffic lanes with on-street parking, which provides some measure of traffic calming. it has plenty of flexible seating (you can sit on any side of the monument and face any way you want).
this park lacks the sense of enclosure provided by an unbroken street wall but it does have a central focal point, the fountain, just as lafayette square has its monument. so it doesn't need a complete tear-out and re-do.
if i could wave a wand, i'd narrow the streets lining it and add sidewalks on all sides. i'd thin out the trees and other plantings and replace with a hardy native fruit trees in regularly spaced rows. why not provide edible "green space" for the people who hit you up downtown saying that they need a meal?
The headline had me hoping the park had burned down.
It's great when the City needs the aid of a local college to hold its hand in fulfilling its obligation to the public and its own property.
Did I miss why the broken fountain can't be repaired?
I doubt a fire hose would be a very good way to water a garden. Unless the aim is to obliterate it.
Is there any reason the lot Greyhound uses to stage its buses needs to be an entire block?
Buses are the size of buses.
On Richmond ─ I echo your opinion that the fountain is a big asset and should be restored.
Perhaps support dollars could be solicited from the public and businesses via an on-line campaign. Maybe a matching dollars component could be included.
Also, my impression is that the park needs a better feeling of openness. It has a state of isolation in its core, in spite of the location. If my recollection is not foggy about the trees, thinning them could be a good start.
Looking forward to this becoming a special space in downtown.
Many salutes to ECC!
Every feature of "Downtown" suffers from the exact same fact: not enough people go there, because they don't want or need to go there. I have a recurrent errand, twice a month; Winter, Spring, Summer or Fall, I can park a mile away & walk to and back without passing a single person on South Elmwood. Downtown Buffalo, like most "downtowns", is essentially dead. The reality of our car-culture makes the vision of a 1900-esque Downtown/SmallTown Main Street into an impossible fantasy. Either most people travel by public transport or "Downtown" is impossible. Central City America existed (for a short time) while people either walked or rode streetcars; the automobile has made centralisation obsolete.
ps - Planting trees all over ANY part of Buffalo is a good idea.
Well the namesake of this park, "Firemens", should seek out some assistance from the Buffalo Fire Department and it's members or even any County fire companies to help in procuring some sort of memorial for this park. Hell, even those of us in EMS (Emergency Medical Services)would benefit to assist in this park, as there is no memorial to OUR sacrifices or our emergency profession. Something simple like an old fire truck, refurbished (which the city has many sitting idle at the Dart Street impound yard or the South Park Lift Bridge) could be used, similar to military monuments. While I would love to see the Civil War arch of Richardson's that was never built, I think something simpler would warrant in this park.
Simple changes to the streetscape, such as lessening the lanes of travel, making it more pedestrian friendly and vanquishing the bus parking from the middle of the roadway would be a first step. Repairing the broken water fountain is also a must.
For example, simple memorials in parks serve purposes to various organizations. The Buffalo Police Reserves still have a memorial at the intersection of Genesee Street and Best Street in the area of where Police Precinct 12 used to stand before it was demolished by a church to become.....a parking lot. The BPR meet there every Memorial Day still though. Even the simple Police Memorial on Franklin Street & Erie Street serves a purpose.
The comment regarding foot patrols. You could possibly (due to it's proximity) enlist the assistance of the Buffalo Place Rangers. While I would support the utlization of the Buffalo Special Police for "patrols" like this, the Buffalo Police have made sure that this volunteer auxiliary never sees the light of day again.
Bulldoze it, auction the site to a private developer and develop the site. The park is useless, get rid of it. Get it on the tax roll and hopefully it goes condos.
Just seen what they did today. They put dirt and flowers in the Fountain. Can't wait to see the mess we'll have by the time summmer begins with no up keeps.
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If you're arriving by bus, chances are you're not going to care what this park looks like. In fact, you may be spending the night there.
Your statment shows how little you know about the way other people travel. I have taken the bus between NYC and Buffalo dozens of times, and I very much care about the way this park looks. Sure I could drive to NYC, but I don't really want to have my car with me when I'm downstate. Amtrak is a slightly better option, but only so slightly better. The cost difference isn't really justified, in my opinion, especially when there are so many more options on the bus schedule as compared to the train schedule. There are plenty of people, in all walks of life, who travel by bus, not just low-lifes. We're not all as dependent on our cars as you appear to be.
For real travel, I'm not dependent on my car at all. I'm rely on airplanes! This way I'm not dealing with an element of society that's been relegated to Greyhound travel. I'm sorry that you're one of them. Picture this: I return home from work one day and exclaim, "Hey gang, this year, instead of going to Europe, Mexico, etc., why don't we hop on the Greyhound and head down to Scranton?!? I hear it's really beautiful there this time of year!" How do you think that would play out?
i would not want to sit next to you on an airplane, with all that sh+t in your beard and stuff.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/30-miserable-lives-lost-in-greyhound-bus-crash,2339/
Yes sir, YesSir. Thank you for illustrating my point in such a humorous way. Case closed.
How do I think that would play out? I suppose that would depend on how narrow minded you are, and as a result, how narrow minded you've taught your "gang" to be. I never said that I rely on buses for traveling to Europe. Of course not; that's just silly. For those trips, I too rely on airplanes. But some people need to go to places like Scranton, and not always for Spring Break vactions. Some people travel to those places to visit family, interview for jobs, etc. And in those cases, flying doesn't make much sense, and taking the bus is a viable option for people who aren't afraid of the "element of society" to which you're referring.
Oh. My. God. Please see YesSir's link to the Onion article above. We're done here.
I read The Onion piece, and I thought it was funny. You don't have a good grasp on satire, do you?
NB, I'd only wonder why for Buffalo to/from NYC, Amtrak is even a "slightly better option" than Greyhound?
Greyhound is often a faster trip since it uses a more direct route than Amtrak, is more often on time closer to its schedule than Amtrak, and is usually a cheaper ticket.
Icing on the cake is Greyhound has many more departures throughout the day.