City February 23, 2012 7:41 PM

Vince gets a Gold Medal on Rhode Island

Vince gets a Gold Medal on Rhode Island
By Michael Hargrave:

Vince Kuntz's building has been looking tired. 

476 Rhode Island is a three story brick edifice, remarkably similar to the Left Bank just one block away. The rust colored brick walls stand straight and tall, a testament to their builders. The facade is beginning to show its age though, the soft sandstone having been worn down by time and weather. The faded remnants of an old Gold Medal painted sign still adorn the eastern wall. Painted over the bottom section of the mural is some graffiti, a reminder of what this West Side neighborhood has been through. Inside, the first floor wears neglect like massive scars. The ceiling is drooping, and a large section of the floor has been removed. But, just like the West Side, this old brick building is finding new life again.

Getting all the way up to the third floor requires a ladder, but it's worth it. A beautiful new roof covers the massive 1800 square foot space. Because the third floor only needs to support the room, no support pillars are needed. What Kuntz says was once was a social hall will soon become an enormous, open loft apartment. Up on the third floor, it's easy to see the potential that Kuntz and his partners saw from the beginning.

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The third floor (above) will be left unbroken by walls. An enclosed bathroom will be installed, but that's all Kuntz wants to do to add to the space - true loft-style living. A fresh ceiling will cover the new roof, but Kuntz doesn't like the idea of a flat ceiling, he feels that something like a drop ceiling wouldn't do the nearly 12 foot tall space justice. "The present plan is a finished ceiling, but with coffered bays,"said Kuntz. "A ceiling that's just flush on the bottom would be boring, it makes the space seem long and low."

Back on the second floor, the plans are to have a pair of smaller apartments, complete with individual kitchens and bathrooms. Throughout the building, bits and pieces of older detail are being polished and kept as they are. Kuntz is attempting to preserve the original look and feel of the building while adding the modern amenities that high end apartments need, such as garages for the tenants.

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Kuntz, who has partnered with a few other local investors, is looking to turn this brick building into a multi-use property, with living space on the upper floors and a retail space on the first floor. Despite the first floor's condition, Kuntz says he and his partners plan to have people set up in the building very soon.
"The goal is to have the apartments occupied this summer," said Kuntz.

Rent for the apartments will reflect Kuntz's upscale aspirations for the building. "Rent is going to range around twelve dollars per square foot," said Kuntz. "Which is comparable to any of the downtown lofts." At that price point, the third floor will most likely cost around $2000 per month.
As of this time, the plans for the first floor (photo above) are still open. Not just what sort of business will most likely occupy the space, but exactly how the issue with the floor is going to be dealt with. Whatever the case may be in the future, Kuntz is adamant that the first floor will be commercial space, not residential. 
The transformation of this West Side neighborhood is still under way. Homefront is working on houses just half a block away from Kuntz's building, and although some nearby houses stand in vacant disrepair progress can be seen everywhere. Both of the houses next to 476 Rhode Island are beautifully rebuilt, and the house next to Prime 490 managed to sell at its open house.
With the addition of some upscale apartments and fresh commercial space, this portion of Rhode Island, flanked by Five Points Bakery, Urban Roots, Left Bank, Prime 490 and Essex Street Pub will really start looking like a healthy business corridor. To top it all off, Kuntz would like to return the Gold Medal sign on the side of his building to its former glory. Very fitting.

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This is awesome. It only takes a few people with passion and alittle money to transform a neighborhood. Let's keep at it.

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So exciting!!
19th is still fairly rough, but great progress on the place on 19th and mass, and a bunch of recently gutted and remodeled homes on 19th, this block is well on its way up!
Buffalove!

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Great to see! The ghost sign on the side of this building has long been one of my favorites... I'd like to smack the ignorant little jerk who tagged it.

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How about that 2-story mix use on the NW corner of the five points? Used to be a bar, story about it being up for sale a while back.

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"At that price point, the third floor will most likely cost around $2000 per month." Ridiculous. That more than triple my dads mortgage. This is NOT new york city, stop pretending. I really don't like this huge increase in rents, even in normal housing, these lofts are jacking ALL of the prices up.

other than that, i am excited for this project. Area needs it...

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If he gets $2000 month for this space then good for him. A project like this doesn't come cheap and certainly not without risk (especially when you start digging into the guts of these older buildings). If you want a nice lofty city apartment like this for yourself then I suggest you purchase/rehab a similar building; good luck keeping the cost down to 1/3 the amount of your dad's mortgage. High rental units mean higher income tenants who theoretically have more money to spend in the neighborhoods they reside in. I'll take that over section 8 any day.

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Hey, it's better than more low income housing. We have enough of those in this city. I want to see more people with the $$$ move back to these neighborhoods.

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Lego, most "people with the $$$" don't want to live at Rhode Island and 19th Streets. For $2000/month you can OWN five bedrooms in the Delaware District. Or in Parkside. Or on the waterfront. Or almost anywhere that's more desirable than Rhode Island and 19th.

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If the quality is there people will pay, the converted firehouse across the street from my house commands high rents and the building has never had a problem attracting tenants.

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Good luck Vince, glad to see another save. I used to frequent the area in the late 1970's, I believe the five points bakery building was then Mama Rizzo's Pizzeria and just around the corner the Club Utica was a busy country-western bar. There was also a hardware store, a metal shop, and a few other small business owners in the area. Always thought the area had potential but by the 1980's it had dramatically declined and the business moved out. Buffalo has a long way to go but we are finally starting to move in the right direction. Buildings like this one were not appreciated or recognized 20 or 30 years ago. Great to see the passion for preservation and reuse that continues to grow and attract more investment.

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Congratulations, Vince -- you've come a long way on this building!

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Excellent work, Vince.

I'd love to be part of a collective where we could learn the trade/skill of renovating a property, then help others with their properties. There are some models at work, but I'm not sure they are exactly a fit to what I am thinking: Farmers & Builders (more of a focus on farming?), Barn Raisers (seems to be mostly people in their 20's?).

I, too, hope he gets the rent he seeks. Buffalo real estate may be cheap (to buy), but it is expensive to renovate...and sometimes hard to justify in a transitional neighborhood.

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I have one of the coolest uncles in the country! This is awsome Uncle Vince. Good luck and be safe:)

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IMO, these brick buildings with ground floor storefronts are the ones we need to be focusing on saving, rather than flimsy East Side cottages or even some of the industrial buildings like the grain elevators (though they do have enormous historical value).

These are kinds of the buildings that no one builds anymore, and the ones that will knit together these neighborhood business districts.

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Vince does excellent work. Look forward to watching the progress!

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Anyone know what's going on with the white paint peeling house behind this? I hope it's not on the demolition list.

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The wonderful person who owns that cool, but way too gone white house behind there is "MEYERS ROGER C & LYNETTE R".

Not sure what the plans are, but by the looks of the city records, it must have been purchased for a song, along with 5 other boarded up properties back in 2000. He owns two on the West Side, three on the East, and all boarded up crack shacks.

And not like it's some poor dude, nope, looks like he lives pretty well on Brantford Pl.

I love when some POS buys properties and just lets them rot, most likely just holding out for the hopes the area around them go up in a decade. Can't the city, or neighbors do anything about this?

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While I'm excited about preservation of buildings and the rehab of this one, especially the restoration of the Gold Flour sign, I am disturbed by the rents he quotes. $12psf!! They seem excessively high, even with the costs of this rehab. I believe the rehabbed school on Lafayette rents at $1psf and those apartments are equally lofty and historic.

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$12/sf/per year. Buffalo doesn't have any $12,000/month, one-bedroom, 1,000 sq.ft. apartments yet that I'm aware of.

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You're right, quick commenting leads to bad math on my part. Either way, it seems like a high rent for this area and not something that the vast majority currently living in the area can afford. So hopefully it won't be a trend.

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Arithmetic

$12/SF/year x 1000 SF = $12,000/year
divided by 12 months = $1,000/month
not $12,000 per month

Great project.

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I was in this building some time ago. The third floor has great south and west exposure, especially with that row of Italianate windows across the front. Will Vince make it special enough to warrant 2K per month? I think he will, but what do I know.. Despite all the mud slinging and teeth gnashing that gets posted everytime the subject of real estate values comes up, at the end of the day, Vince will complete the reno, get a tenant, then you will know what the rental market can command for that space.

I hope it is a trend. You go, Vince!

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The house next door just had a $100,000 renovation and the house next to that just sold for $150,000 after less than a week on the market. Vince won't have too much trouble renting the apartments in that building.

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