City February 22, 2012 11:37 AM

Symphony Circle, Looking Fine Once Again (for now)

Symphony Circle, Looking Fine Once Again (for now)
I have been doing a lot of complaining about what is wrong with the city lately.  But that is just one side of the story.  We can't ignore what is right with the city today.  A few years ago I wrote a post about the Birge Mansion, showing it back in the 1980s versus now.  Back in the 80s the house was a boarded up wreck waiting for demolition.  Right there on one of Buffalo's premier public squares across from Kleinhans Music Hall was a rotting mess of a building.  Back in the 70s and 80s this was just an accepted condition for Buffalo. Of course, eventually people stepped forward who did not think it was acceptable to allow this wonderful mansion to rot away.  It was restored and is now a fully functional piece of Buffalo's and America's architectural heritage. I say America's heritage for a reason.  

Buffalo's heritage needs to be thought of in the broad national context because it is that important.  More and more it seems that the people of Buffalo are recognizing the architectural gift they have been given by our ancestors.  Walking around Symphony Circle today, it is apparent that a lot of new money has been invested in each the houses facing the park.  Fresh paint, new roofs and extensive new landscaping are apparent on all of them.  This along with the recent restoration of Kleinhans Music Hall  including reconstruction of its grand reflecting pool plus the reintroduction of the center traffic island of the Circle with its historic light pole make for palpable improvements in this part of the city.  Even the bronze sculptures around the Circle have recently been restored. On top of this, the surrounding neighborhoods have been seeing major new investment as people have become aware of the amazing architecture they hold at bargain basement prices.

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Although much still needs to be done to raise awareness and appreciation for the city's precious architectural fabric it seems that allowing buildings to rot (at least in the more prosperous parts of the city) is becoming less acceptable. Some day, perhaps it will be just plain unacceptable to use demolition by neglect as a building management system in Buffalo.   I have purposefully not mentioned the most prominent building on the circle.  That would be the First Presbyterian Church of Buffalo.  The congregation of this church recently announced that they are considering closing the church building and merging with another congregation.  This of course puts a big damper on my current enthusiasm. This church is a masterpiece which has one of the most glorious interiors in America.  It cannot be allowed to rot away. It should not be chopped up into condos.  I will write more on this in the future.  For now, I will just say that it is time for the people of Western New York (not just Buffalo) to see their architectural heritage as something that has been entrusted to them by their ancestors and their nation to care for and pass on to future generations.  When buildings such as First Presbyterian become endangered, we are not just cutting into bone - we are amputating. Past generations have not done a very good job of protecting our heritage. As a result we are all poorer as a nation. 

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Here here, David. We all have to realize that we are merely stewards of our built environment, and there there are increasing business (tourism revenue), environmental (re-use is simply better than building new), and quality of life (historic, densely built neighborhoods are increasingly sought after) reasons to preserve what we have.

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Good post. I did a double-take on the second picture, wondering if a picture of the San Francisco painted ladies hadn't crept into this story. Clearly, our stuff stands up to those.

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Danger> "...San Francisco painted ladies hadn't crept into this story. Clearly, our stuff stands up to those."

That's a fair observation and I'm inclined to agree. Just expect some flack from some of the contributors here for putting us and SF in the same sentence. Recent comparisons to like characteristics of larger sized cities in other threads were met with some hostility form those who just won't tolerate similarities between places that happen to have different demographics.

I mean, I drive an ordinary run of the mill car that likely has several nearly identical twins in places like Frisco, DC, and Portland. But I dare not compare it to those cars for fear that the audacity of comparing a crappy Buffalo car with one from a different city is just will provoke the wrath of those who think of this as "wasting time" or "counter productive."

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Clearly remember when the Birge Mansion was vacant and boarded. I lived on Plymouth near Pennsylvania in 1979 and the lawn in front of the mansion was an informal gathering place at that time, used to take my son over there to play. The reflecting pool at Kleinhans was not yet restored and of course the circle itself was just paved over.

Many of the naysayers here in Buffalo have short memories or are not old enough to recognize just how far we have come. The city had few advocates in the 1970's and preservation was a small niche movement. In the past 20 years I have witnessed a remarkable turn around in this city and I am confident we will continue to realize the potential of our outstanding built environment.

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Buffalo fortuneatly has a huge stock of future re-hab structures; notwithstanding, in the past while there has been an obvious momentum of completed renovated homes and multipurpose buildings in the city. We must also add to the many structures that have been maintained throughout the years and one can easily see that Buffalo has really turned the corner and is becoming , might I say quite an attractive city.

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Now all Buffalo needs is a way to attract enough of the type of people with the money and interest in doing these restorations.

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Schools, jobs, and security. Schools are an easy fix. Stop busing kids all across the city. Create neighborhood schools and watch people move into certain areas of the city. Jobs, thats a little tougher, but you can still pull a lot of suburbanites with schools and security. Security, take 10-20 percent of cops that sit in cars and make them walk a beat. And there you go, wham bam thank you mam.

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I think the problem is that Buffalo has a hard time attracting industries that can compete well internationally, and that in turn makes it hard to attract the college educated professionals who are going to have the money and willingness to undertake further restoration/prservation (or gentrification if you will).
I know, for example, that it is very hard to get physicians to come to Buffalo. Some of it is structural and more particular to medicine, like the large amount of medicare/medicaid patients in the area that make pay rates lower than other parts in the country. But there are other serious drawbacks too. By moving to Buffalo and the area, you can expect:
1. To pay some of the highest sales tax in the country
2. To pay some of the highest property taxes in the country
3. Some of the highest health insurance premiums in the country
4. Among the highest auto insurance rates in the country
5. A state income tax
6. The high amount of regulations that make trying to do things like buy a house or start a business that New York State makes a true joy.

Those are only some of the things that I can think of off the top of my head that if we could address them, would start Buffalo on the right road. There are plenty more. I know a lot of them are essentially out of our hands, since they are handled at the state level, and we have a small proportion of representation in NY's highly dysfunctional state government.

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........how does that get two thumbs down?

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Maybe because the schools are not an easy fix. I give you a thumbs up for your name, though.

replied to KangDangaLang
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Lol, thanks. I figured that might fly right over a lot of peoples heads. But, in this case I shall knight thee, Sir Smarter thanthe AverageBear.

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I just moved behind those houses you pictured on Jersey. The block really is nice. The blue house, next to the big red house could use a paint job, but it's still a really nice house.


That's terrible news about the church, and you're right it's a really impressive building. Last I heard they were trying to raise money to fix the steeple, I'm suprised they may abandon those plans.

The one thing about this neighborhood I wish they would change is moving the soup kitchen on Wadsworth. I know we need a place to feed our mentally ill and less fortunate people but having them wander the streets really is an eyesore in an otherwise nice neighborhood. I don't know where to put it, but farther away from my house would be fine by me.

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We have the same issue downtown along Main Street near Lafayette Square. Ever since the Drug Addiction, Parol Office and other social service offices opened up around the same time on one entire block, Lafayette Sqaure station block is now over run with all kind of wack jobs.

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Oh no don't say that! Next thing you know all the bleeding hearts out there will crucify you and offer up the solution of sending all the drug addicted homeless to Clarence for treatment.

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I don't understand what you mean. First what do you mean about bleeding hearts? Do you mean people who actually would like to help out another human being? Why would we not want these bleeding hearts out there? Also why shouldn't the drug addicted homeless be able to get treatment in Clarence?

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For the same reason that Welfare centers ard jails are not located in Clarence.

replied to STEEL
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What is that reason - explain. Also you have not told me what you mean about the bleeding hearts

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The stigma with 'bleeding hearts' is that they often put emotion in front of logic when acting and making decisions. Sometimes they don't pay attention to the results of certain actions and policies. feeling warm and gooey inside takes precedence. Whether you agree with it or not, that is where 'bleeding hearts comes from.

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I think it is important to add the distinction between a limousine liberal and a bleeding heart. There is a difference, most of the time.

replied to STEEL
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Facts are the liberal bias. Fear, distortion, division, and intolerance are the tools of todays conservatives, see the Republican primary for confirmation.

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Is it safe to say you are intolerant of conservatives? Are you intolerant of fiscal restraint? Intolerant of rich people? Intolerance of free markets? Intolerant of Christians? Please. It goes both ways.

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I am intolerant of conservatives that use fear, distortion, and division to influence voters, I have no problem with the old school conservatives that argued on the merits of the issue. I am actually a fiscal conservative in my personal life and identify strongly with the need for personal responsibilty and accountability.

The crazy fringe has seized the right and they are not a credible alternative to most Americans. They continue to push the same tired agenda and again we are seeing attacks on sexual preference, reproductive rights, and even contraception. Decent, reasonable conservatives need to step up and take their party back from these radicals if they hope to have a future.

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I also don't like people who use fear, distortion and the like. The people I respect on both sides are the ones with integrity who are hungry for the truth and don't give in to all the noise over the airwaves. But again, I maintain that these undesirable devices are present on both sides.

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Also, your comment was pretty fearful and devicive, hmmmm?

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My wife is in the masters program for Social Work and her internship is at a suburban senior center. She goes out on home visits and was surprised just how many people in Amherst, Clarence, and Alden are receiving government assistance. Some are the rural poor but others are just gaming the system by transferring assets to their children and using estate planners to avoid paying for long term care. It is easy to point the finger at the poor in Buffalo while ignoring the abuses by those with means.

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Clarence and other towns weed these uses and their users out through exclusionary zoning. Buffalo doesn't have that luxury.

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Well Burch, Clarence might be the place for a drug rehab. I work for a large health care network and recently attended a continuing education class. During break I was talking to a drug counselor who told me his clients are no longer inner city kids but suburban white kids hooked on prescription drugs. The problem is somewhat under the radar since these kids usually have the money to support their habit and are less likely to be involved in petty crime. I have noticed the same thing here in Black Rock, the drug buyers are young middle class white kids that show up in nice cars. A lot of these kids will wind up on the streets of Buffalo as they age and their habits consume them.

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You don't that the fact that rich suburban kids get drug counseling more than inner city people has something to do with the fact that they are wealthy suburban kids? They usually have the resources to pursue counseling, in many cases can afford the lawyers to get drug counseling as part of sentencing for drug offenses instead of jail time, and most of them have parents who are supportive enough to get them into counseling.
And if you think the city doesn't have a big problem with people abusing prescription drugs, you don't know what you're talking about.

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Absolutely, the resources and support suburban kids receive is certainly a factor in the likelihood they will get counseling. Also I am well aware of drug use by city kids, my point was more to the fact that there is little difference in the level of drug use by city, suburban, and rural kids. The big difference is city and rural kids usually get into more trouble obtaining the money for drugs and generally are treated much more harshly by the criminal justice system.

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I'm GLAD I'm a "bleeding heart liberal" instead of another CALLOUS CONSERVATIVE COMPLAINER. Unlike YOU, WE care about "those people" and actually spend much of our time volunteering to make "those peoples" lives better.

So - what do all YOU Callous Conservatives plan to do with all "those people" who need assistance or treatment or services?

Should we wall "those people" off into some Guantanimo someplace in the hinterlands? Should we imprison them, walk over them as we come across them, or better yet - kill them off so we don't have to think about all those icky people? What do YOU want to do?

YOU people know damn well that once you move "those people" to some other place then YOU will be at the head of the line making additional idiotic comments against "those people" having the gall to "be someplace".

What do YOU propose to do - besides ridiculing, making fun of and generally making derogoratory slurs against these people?

We'll wait.

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You are making a lot of assumptions here. For example, how do you know that conservatives don't care about 'those people?' Have you had conversations with real conservatives who do care? I won't even respond to your other assumptions.

It also seems like you are, um, complaining. You are also slinging insults, such as 'callous conservative complainer' and 'idiotic.'


I know. US people are just so bad for pointing out your ridiculousness.

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But talking about "bleeding heart liberals" is hunky dorey, right?

Sorry honey, but I'll call it as I see it.

Conservatives are generally bigoted, selfish, greedy and heartless.

Sorry if you don't like the truth.

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It seems like you are feeling a bit emotional, no?

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Ever seen the current republican/conservative party?

All conservatives/republicans are greedy, selfish, bigoted, homophobic, xenophobic and racists, generally.

I rest my case.

But it's aparently hunky dorey to call out "bleeding heart liberals" as a slur. Gotcha.

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I never used bleeding heart liberals as a slur. It seems like you are projecting. I could go on with ugly truths, but I will feed you no longer.

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Being that you're on Jersey the closest you could be to Friends of the Night People, as the soup kitchen is called, is three blocks. It's away from your house, lighten up. You must really have a problem with the multitude of decrepit blocks and blocks of homes that litter much of the west side. The home at the intersection of Hudson Wadsworth may be one of the nicest in Allentown and they sure didn't see too much of a problem with being across the street.

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I live on College St, which is right there. We do have a fair share of problems with people as soon as dinner lets out there. In the summer time, Arlington Park can look like a hobo camp.

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I live on Cottage, so I'm not untouched by the topic. I may not live next door but given the people you see generally in the Allen area any time of day, or the people you can find anywhere west of Allen, Friends isn'tthe lone reason for what you see.

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I still complain all the time about the city, and there is a distinct lack of vision especially when it comes to getting families back and the growing inequities of poor vs affluent BUT when I was growing up the boarded up & desolate Birge Mansion, Martin house, Market Arcade, everything on Main St.,etc... etc... were so emblematic of how everything was going downhill at the speed of light. The city will never be on par with many other chic cities but the change in mentality since the 70s & 80s is astoundingly more positive and invested in the future. There was so little hope 30 years ago.

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The fact of the matter is that in addition to the mentally ill, Friends of Night People also serves families with small children, folks who are out of work and out of options, and even older people who don't necessarily have the means to take care of some of their needs. They also provide free health care clinics, drug and alcohol counseling, vaccinations, and free eye care. Oh and they also provide assistance for folks who are looking to find affordable housing, and they provide Veterans Affairs assistance. The fact of the matter is that they serve the people who live in that neighborhood. Moving the soup kitchen isn't going to make its patrons disappear. Also, the last time I checked, there are no rules concerning where people can and cannot be. If you're uncomfortable with the people in your neighborhood, maybe you shouldn't have moved in until you were more familiar with the demographics.

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It clearly doesn't bother me that much, since I did move into the area. I'm just saying if there was one thing I would like to see changed it's that.

I realize the soup kitchen provides a valuable service to those that need it, and I'm not saying it's a bad type of establishment. All I'm saying is that it definitely lowers the value of the area around it and will undoubtedly scare away some people and some businesses.

In this thread alone there are plenty of people that have been harassed by pan handlers and I have to admit, sometimes I walk by and those people make me uncomfortable. When it's 10 people dressed in rags, presumably homeless, all approaching you it can make for an uncomfortable situation.

I'll continue to support my community and do what I can to make my neighborhood a nice place to live, with or without the Friends of the Night down the street. I just voiced my opinion and I'm sorry if it offended folks.

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Friends of Night People has many supporters and their mission is noble. But there is no denying that soup kitchens are magnets for troubled and sometimes dangerous characters. Feeding time brings a steady stream of homeless and marginally functioning adults through the neighborhood, most of whom may be quite harmless and respectful. But certainly not all. I used to own an apartment building on Allen and I was harassed on more than one occasion by angry drunk men to whom I refused to give money (one who claimed, and I believed him, to have been a veteran and who was so incensed that I wouldn't give him money--I was wearing a suit and tie--that he literally took swings at me, and only stopped when he was convinced I was on the phone to 911). Characters in that daily migration were also a reason a few tenants of mine (women) moved out; they didn't feel safe after being harassed for money and verbally threatened when they refused.

Cops on the beat would go a long way toward solving that issue. They could be stationed in the general vicinity of the soup kitchens near feeding time, to clamp down on harassment by those who are angry at their marginalization or at life in general.

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Buffalo Police wont do anything about the bums unless they were seen with an open liquor bottle, putting a needle in their arms or murdering someone. This aint like in other cities, where officers actually walk around their city and make sure these types of people are NOT sleeping in public, drinking, smoking pot, and harrasing those that actually WORK for a living by kicking them out or charging them with LOITERING!!!!!

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Beat cops would work wonders in areas that are densely built and could be reasonably covered on foot. Business districts obviously benefit from police presence but the many small defined neighborhoods like Allentown or Black Rock would greatly benefit from a regular and familiar police presence.

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Today's pop quiz question is -- What is the essence of the blog?

Answer -- from the author of the posting --
"I have been doing a lot of complaining about what is wrong with the city lately. But that is just one side of the story. WE CAN'T IGNORE WHAT IS RIGHT WITH THE CITY TODAY."

Consequently, significant demerits will be given to the many people that detoured from the positive subject matter to the road shoulder of negative, pessimistic comments.

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I actually own the building behind the friends of the night people, I've never seen children there. Many of the clients come in cars, one in a Jetta and panhandle myself and my tenants and after politely being asked not to do so, my plants have been pulled out, bushes stolen, graffiti written on my walls and at least a ton of garbage thrown on my land and each of my trees snapped of! I spend hundreds of dollars having both lawns mowed and pick up their garbage and have been threatened on many occasions! The manager makes a healthy executives wage and I am sure the attendances vastly inflated, given my observation over the past year. When I asked why they still exist in this neighborhood, I was told, this is a good neighborhood and they can come here. Their need has long been overstated here and should be moved to a community of greater poverty level than Allentown.

As far as this neighborhood goes, it rocks and the folks that live here, I do wish to police would monitor the area by walking between 10 pm and 430 am, but asking them to do their job is not what our system deems necessary, more like their right to entitlements for being asked to do no more than anyone else in America!

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I understand exactly where you're coming from. And I imagine that it can be very difficult owning property that close. I'm definitely not saying that the folks who come there are perfect. Nor am I trying to say that the situations that present themselves as a result (i.e. panhandling) aren't at times uncomfortable. But there are people who need that place, and I just wish that people could see that. One bad apple can spoil the whole bunch, but I just don't think that the organization or their patrons should be written off sight unseen. I volunteer there on a weekly bases after having lived in the neighborhood for three years. I know first hand the concerns that folks are expressing here. But I would invite anybody who is interested to come in and volunteer for a night or two. It's just two hours of your time. I feel like it might at least give some sense of perspective.

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There is a need for this service, yes. But it shouldn't be in the middle of a residential neighborhood from which most of the patrons do not come. Maybe once upon a time most of the patrons came from this area, but since Friends formed the area has considerably changed. The fact of the matter is that today most of the patrons migrate here from elsewhere for the food and services. Friends should not go away, but it should relocate. It should be located in a less residential neighborhood. Put it on Main Street. Put it in the medical corridor. Put it on Niagara Street. Put it closer to the target population, which is no longer located in Allentown.

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I see where you're coming from. And I'm not trying to be a contrarian, not by any means. I'm just saying that you can't help problems like homelessness and substance abuse by saying "take it somewhere else". Especially when similar services like the City Mission already exist in other areas of the city.

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Regarding, “Put it closer to the target population.”

The Medical Campus was a new location suggestion. However, with that area’s current Zumba-energized development, I suspect that the FONP would need to keep their bags packed for an impending next move.

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Sorry, I've been away for a couple of days, I find it interesting that if you volunteer there why doesn't the staff clean up or maybe the clients, Or is that expecting too much?

We talk of many Churches in the city being closed and destroyed and why is it that the ones in communities have soup kitchen and as a reward the clients, vandalize the community, rob, panhandle and in general are disrespectful, is there no humility only entitlement?

I'd like to see the 501C3's shut down and if the Churches want tax-free satis than do what they are supposed to!

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