Real Estate January 19, 2012 9:15 AM

Construction Watch: 363 E. Ferry Street

Construction Watch: 363 E. Ferry Street

A two building, six-unit townhouse project is underway at 363 E. Ferry Street.  The $1.35 million project is spearheaded by Second Chance Ministries and will be a women's facility.  It occupies a vacant lot that was purchased from the City last fall for $14,400.

eferrytwo.pngSecond Chance's headquarters is located adjacent to the townhouse site at 381 E. Ferry.  It has also helped revitalize Charlie Perkins Park next to the townhouse site at School 53.  Partnerships were built with businesses, public officials, the police department and Local Initiatives Support Corporation (LISC) to revitalize the neighborhood park to offer supervised activities for young people.

The townhouses will be finished by mid-April according to David Pawlik of Creative Structure Services, the contractor on the project.
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Yes! THAT is the appropriate density for the East Side. No more suburban, West Seneca-esque crap.

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I'll second that. This is a much more appropriate design for infill than what is typically used. Considering this and recent developments at St Martins, N and S Division, and Artspace, maybe suburban style infill on the East Side is a thing of the past.

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The way these are built will cause them to never hold their value.

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How so?

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Homes with no parking, no yard, and no privacy are much more likely to decrease in value. Also, look at the surrounding area. It's not terrible, but its far from great.

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Houses don't need yards, surplus parking( I believe these units have parking in the back), and privacy in order to hold their values evident in the number of valuable homes in the city and older burbs.

In many cities, the opposite has been true as houses in many compact neighborhoods have weathered the recession better than more spacious and private areas with abundant parking.

The neighborhood is what it is and is a separate issue to "how these are built."

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They will most likely have values cut in half or more once the key is turned. Didn't that happen to the houses east of dt?

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Yeah, not too bad. Could certainly be much worse. Hopefully there is some brick on it. I would love to see some other urban housing plans used in other cities for residential housing. I'm not talking about lofts or condos or apartment buildings. I'm talking about individual houses that are not aimed at lower incomes. Wouldn't that be awesome. Anybody working on any or know of anything interesting out there?

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The tags at the bottom of this post do not work. Searching for Second Chance Ministries does bring up quite a bit of Second Chance Ministries elsewhere though! They are faith-based, BIG, growing, and how many other rental properties connections do they include?

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A respectable development. Hopefully this project will help stabilize Hamlin Park's southern boundary along East Ferry Street.

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$225K a unit for a simple townhome? As a nation we are spending ourselves into financial ruin but at the same time there does not seem to be a national effort to control home building costs. Over the last 10 years home building materials have skyrocketed at a rate that is not even close to wage increases. The increased pricing is usually blamed on the increase in natural disasters over the last 10 years and of course oil but at some point these prices need to be controlled. These should be $150K units but that will not happen without subsidies which is an entirely separate problem.

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225k each? holy s___.
I've always seen these housing project going up in different areas of the city. I may not know all the details but why is no one spending this kind of money rehabilitating the city's old stock of run down homes and infilling decimated city blocks? Aerial pictures of Buffalo's east and lower west sides are quite depressing.

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Are your ears ringing? Just thinkin the same..SUCH A WASTE. The funny part is watching a politican justify these over priced new builds. $225k..could COMPLETELY renovate 4-5 empty homes in WNY.

$1.35 million is 34 homes at $40,000 a home..instead we put our backing to this? God how many jobs do you think you would create while renovating 34 homes?

I guess I just don't understand the complexities of construction and how 6 townhomes can cost $1.35 million dollars?

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All Star, not only is it rude to question the costs or funding, it's also sounds anti-Buffalo.

Yes, the $1.3M is some kind of block grant (pg 2 here) so it's taxpayer $, but to ever question this while we're still funding anything for cars driving by non-urban residents… well it just sounds so negative!

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Is that you Mayor Brown?

Rude to question the funding...I'd gladly question "funding for cars driving by non-urban residents"..what ever that means.

While in college I did some work with a group that renovates homes for battered women/chidren..that had six homes on the same street. (Philadelphia) They probably renovated all of them for $50k. Now I don't know East Buffalo really well but I'd take a wild guess and say there may be an empty house or 2 within a few seconds driving..(or walking in whatevers case-we're against funding for anything involving the automobile) of the church.

Hoping for the best use of taxpayer funds is anti-buffalo..riiigghtt!!

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it was satire, btw…

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In order to understand the satire in that last comment, the reader has to have an idea of your views from other comments in order to put that remark in context. Reading what you typed word-for-word without reference to other comments you have made, it is easy to see how All Star, or anybody else could have interpreted that comment as genuine (btw, I got the joke and thought it was funny if it makes you feel better).

What's really funny how you seem to expect people to interpret your comments differently depending on the situation. When anybody is remotely critical of what you write, you go ape $hit if someone uses critical thinking to draw any conclusions, use past comments as context, or otherwise not following your comments word-for-word ("mind reading" or "delusional thinking" as you'd say).

Yet when you make a funny, you expect people to stray from the exact words you type in order to get the joke. Why change the standards for those being critical of you vs those you want to get your satire?

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"to understand the satire..."

Then that's my lousy satire for not writing it far enough over the top so it would be clear to All Star. The Onion has the same problem once in a while.

That ap*-sh*t part isn't true at all, btw - I've returned verbal fire a few times when in my view someone lies about what I ever wrote or personalizes, but not for just disagreeing about a topic or having very differing views than mine.

A very few have some difficulty between arguing on a topic vs attacking the person expressing the views. Most on here are very good (BRLifer, etc.) about keeping the two separate and trying in good faith to not mischaracterize what others wrote. Some others, not as much. Oh well.

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"Verbal fire, lies, personalize, attack..."

This is just a blog comment thread not a battlefield. These discussions are just an exchange of ideas not some sort of "attack." Again, I think you take what is said here way too seriously.

Pot> "...trying in good faith to not mischaracterize what others wrote."

Does calling people who advocate otherwise reasonable views for how they would like the city zoned "control freakish and bossy" count as mischaracterizing? How about referring to those who would like to see a relatively tiny portion of housing subsidies directed towards encouraging adaptive reuse of buildings as supporting "corporate welfare?"

To be fair that's not much different than me generalizing those upset about Buffalo's recent GDP growth rankings as anti-Buffalo, or other classifications I use to be concise. But you are far from being in a position to criticize me for this sort of thing.

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These look good. They have a decent urban form. The cost does seem a little steep. Non-profits and Government agencies always seem to overpay.

The form looks a bit more graceful in the photos than the renderings - a rarity. The gables are a bit more steeply pitched with windows in the peaks. That slight, additional vertical emphasis definitely adds a lot overall.

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"will be a women's facility." Does this sound like discrimination to anyone?

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No

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Refurbishing a building is much harder to budget then building a new one. I think this is one of many reasons it rarely happens. Also the upkeep for spread out homes is much harder than a centralized one. There may be mandated minimum room sizes like section 8 requires that make it hard to use old properties. While the upfront cost is inflated over the life of the property it should be much cheaper. T would seem like you could bid out I need 6 homes and we’ll take bids dollars and it has to be done in this location you could bid this projects out and possible get those refurbished homes. Just a thought.

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Why do these projects seem to look like...wel...like "The Projects?"

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Back in 2009 TBN ran an article about Rev. Richard Stenhouse and seven other pastors joining forces in community development. But I believe it was Rev. Stenhouse who back in the 1970s or further back built a beautiful church and several lovely "suburban style" houses in an area where Traditional Magnet School and (this is going even further back) Offerman Stadium used to be. Rev. Stenhouse had a faith-based connection to those still-standing houses. About that time several cheaply built skimpy "suburban style" houses were also built in a different area and near downtown Buffalo but I don't think any of those are still standing. So, I think Rev. Stenhouse might have been the first faith-based pastor to start a faith-based community in Buffalo in the 20th centure, but I believe those houses have live-in and mortgage-paying taxpayers who may attend his church?

More recently, wasn't it Rev. Stenhouse and his Jeremiah project that was going to start rent-to-own housing involving rent-for-10-to-30-years-before-starting-mortgaged-ownership proceedings that should have and may have fizzled out? (Mayor Brown was involved with that idea and he should have solid knowledge of all such plans.)

The 2009 TBN article lists eight pastors. Rev. Darius Pridgeon was one of them. Now, in 2012, it is beginning to be newsworthy that Rev. Pridgeon is branching out into his own church's faith-based housing projections.

The Muslim community at Broadway and Fillmore Ave. had a started-up housing project in their Mosque's community that is not in the news anymore. I think the idea was for people of all faiths to buy and renovate or build privately-owned homes in the area of that Mosque?

But, although they are well-established in other states, in Buffalo proper, the faith-based Second Chance Community Development Corporation ministries and their many other contacts are prospering well but are not much known to the general public in and around this Buffalo yet. What 2CM is not going to do though is set up houses that would be owner-occupied.

If any people would know about 2CM and the latest housing endeavours (aside from the architecture-only plans) in Buffalo it would be the above-mentioned faith-based leaders.

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What a dreadful project for a dreadful site! Who would want to have children living there?

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