City mass-tickets cars on an observed holiday
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Leave a commentSounds like someone had a ticket quota to meet.
It certainly is the sign of a greedy administration with no Holiday spirit to ticket when they know people are caught with not enough parking on a legal holiday. The parking Gestopo are instructed to ticket,ticket, ticket, to rise revenues. I am sure KEVIN HELFER gave instructions to ticket every car possible, all the while rubbing his greedy hands together ( did I do good Mr. Mayor? ). Funny thing, everyone else is on Holiday. Your a mean one Mayor Brown( or Grinch, or Mr. Potter, or Ebenezer Scrooge )
"I have paid hundreds of dollars in parking tickets over the years - it kinda comes with the territory."
Yet another reason why car owners don't want anything to do with living in the city.
Once again, its embarrassing....I got a ticket the other day in front of my house at 10 after 9.....Its a joke
Ive gotten one parked in a north buffalo neighborhood for 2 minutes with my flashers on. I'm telling you.... Flies on s**t.
"in front of my house at 10 after 9.....Its a joke"
That's a very good point beyond the holiday issue.
How alternate side parking is implemented is a big quality of life problem in Buffalo in that there's no built-in overlap for an hour or two as there should be. I commented about that once before on here.
I've never seen it ticketed as fast as 10 minutes, but I don't doubt that happens and I've for sure seen it after 15 minutes. Why should residents have to drop everything and move their cars at pretty much exactly one time of day? There should be at least a 2-hour buffer during which it's explicitly legal to be parked on either side. Snow plowing could be done on other streets during that interval, or plow drivers' shifts or breaks could account for it.
Unreasonably aggressive ticket writing for alternate side parking is one of the bad things about Byron Brown as mayor. (His attempt at red light cameras was similar.)
Regarding the holiday, I agree with the article writer. A federal/state/city holiday is treated as such by all govt offices, NFTA bus schedules, and countless employers. Even aside from the holiday factor that would cause doubts, there must be thousands of Buffalo residents who work M-F/9-5 type jobs and park overnight on streets who aren't even accustomed to having to move the car from one side to the other pretty much exactly at 9am because they're usually already at work by then. To target them for expensive fines today - and paying ticket writers at holiday overtime rates to accomplish it - was a ridiculous cash grab.
I agree with you. I got nailed behind Mercy Hospital at something like 10 minutes after the sides changed. I was in a meeting and couldn't get out in time to move my car. I could still see the parking enforcement vehicle up the street.
I would have parked in the ramp, but that thing fills up early in the morning, and I didn't want to take up the valet spots that a lot of the elderly visitors use.
As irritating as it was, I felt bad for the hospital visitors, since a lot of them seemed to be parked back there too and a lot of them were elderly and would have had a hard time getting back and forth to their cars. I think it would be reasonable to give some leeway before they start writing tickets to let people move their cars, since not everyone is in a position to move right away.
Parking tickets come with the territory? Please.
I have lived most of my years in the city including some in the University Heights and Allentown. I've received one parking ticket. (and the heights are targeted due to the heavy concentration of students)
Move your car and stop complaining.
If you live and work in the city, why do you even need a car?
The city is great and all, but without a car I'd get bored pretty quickly (btw I live downtown). How else can you take advantage regional attractions without a car? Trips to the local ski resorts and camping out in Letchworth are the top ones that come to mind. Perhaps you're just mooching off your "poor" friends who have cars?
Well, to each his own, I can take a bus to our museum district, festivals, the FALLS, to work, ect. And who's mooching?
You can always rent a car to go on a weekend trip. It's most definitely cheaper than owning if you only need the car a few weekends out of the year.
Well, that would probably be good option for some, but if you're living below the poverty line, renting a car would probably an extravagance that would blow the bottom out of your budget. That is provided that you even had a credit card to rent a car. Or that you could even afford to take a weekend trip somewhere.
Just another way for the City to stick it to the residents. They never want to pick up the recycling but you can be sure that if you are parked wrong for two minutes that they will be there to give you a ticket. Happy New Year...I'm headed to Houston.
If it had snowed and they couldn't plow because people are parked on the wrong side of the street people would complain.
While a jerk move, I wasn't aware the law took a break on holidays.
Great observation. If a blizzard hit, these streets could not be plowed. With heavy snow in the forecast - it's the City that gets a pass on this one,
"Yet another reason why car owners don't want anything to do with living in the city."
Reaching a bit with this one, aren't we?
Learn to use the reply button.
And no, it's just another tick mark of reasons to not live in the city. I have a car (2). I like having a driveway. I don't want to EVER deal with having to move my car to the other side of the street just because it's a frigging Tuesday.
Sorry if that offends the city-dwellers, but I rather enjoy having a Mustang, and being able to carry my kids to Grandma's house in the other one.
There are plenty of driveways in the city. I have lived in the city my whole life and I can think of two times anyone in my household has gotten a ticket. With or without a driveway.
A vast majority of the homes in buffalo do in fact have driveways.
The only time it is a day to day issue is on certain streets, like Ashland, which are by far the anomaly. Or if you are a renter and the homeowner has rights to the use of the driveway.
Congratulations on your Mustang!
I have a tough time feeling sympathy for people that disobey the law - even more so for someone like yourself that knowingly disobeyed the law.
Yeah, maybe i'm a prude but you knew quite well that leaving your car there was illegal. You even went out to look!
Quite whining and pay your fine.
Really? It's the law so just follow it and STFU?
So when Obama (or the next Bush) decides to kill you - he has the power now, after all - you'll have nothing to complain about! It's the law!
how did this turn political. Red lights mean stop, crosswalks mean yield to pedestrians. Murder is illegal and in order for the city to service its residents (to get the trash and plow the streets, especially on the eve of what the news has been calling a huge storm, you need to obey the laws for the benefit of everyone.
I would have been more annoyed at the neighbors who were too lazy to move there cars and caused my house to burn down because it caught fire. There are reasons for the alternating parking. They knew the law and the risk they took by not moving their cars. It is an individual issue not a city one.
Um, yes it does. It's my world and you just live in it! Get real!!!! I was making a point, if you live in the city, why do we need cars? Think about it. Living in other cities, it's one of the 'perks' not to need a car. In B-lo, it's a different story. Why is that?
So do you have a car and live in the city?
I do not own a car and do live in the city. I'm also able to 'SAVE' more money than those I know with cars. Why waist most of my hard earned money on a car when I can use it to go out to eat? Buy new clothes? Travel? Furnish my place? Hmmmm, some of you people just don't get it.....Maby that's why so many locals are considered 'poor'?????
Well it's nice that you can do that. A lot of the people who don't have a car in the city would love to have one, but can't afford it. It's one thing if you live where you can easily go shopping by walking places, it's another if you live, say on the East side, where you'd have to walk sometimes miles to the nearest place that sells quality groceries. And forget about shopping for Not mention not having to wait for buses when it's freezing out or snowing/raining. Or wanting to go somewhere not served by buses, like out of the city. Or how about if you want to go somewhere when the buses aren't running? There's a reason that most people in the city who can afford it have a car. Even a lot of those fancy new places they build downtown have parking included, it's kind of a necessity.
this is why buffalo car share has been a big success on the east side.
http://www.buffalocarshare.org/
having to use a car some of the time shouldn't require everyone to own and maintain one all of the time.
I parked on the wrong side of Lancaster today to run into the co-op (tried the parking lot - full) and was ticketed. I really can't complain about the ticket; It was a Monday at 3pm, and I was in the wrong.
What I would like to complain about is as far as I can tell, there has never been information online about holiday parking (I have checked in the past to no avail). Why is this information so hard to post? Seems sorta shady to me.
Exceptionally well stated. We had guests parked in the street and they got a ticket. What a nice welcome to the City of Buffalo. The city and the mayor should be ashamed of this shameless pocket grab. Shame on Buffalo.
"What a nice welcome to the City of Buffalo."
Except that it would be the same in most other cities too. This isn't a Buffalo Thing. It's a city parking thing.
Try complaining about this same situation in Toronto, Boston, or Chicago and see if those cities govts care. (They wouldn't)
Most Cities have residential parking permits! There are also the A-holes that take up 2 spots on every street!
"Most Cities have residential parking permits!"
Having residential parking permits isn't a magical thing that makes parking tickets go away. Those cities still have rules around snow plowing and street cleaning than can get you a ticket even with a permit. Many also charge more per ticket than buffalo does. Some also charge a fee just to have a car in the city, even if you don't park on the street. In other words it's still cheaper to have a car in buffalo even if you get stuck paying for 1 or 2 tickets every year.
Welcome to Buffalo.
indeed. we were in toronto, parked overnight where you needed a residential parking permit, and were duly ticketed. find me *one* city that doesn't have and enforce some kind of parking regulations.
Nice start to the New Year....and thank you for reminding me and reinforcing why it sucks to be in Buffalo!!
I've been hearing from the political operatives that Byron Brown was intending to make a series of patronage hires with the revenue cash flows that he was expecting from the "Red Light Camera" proposal that was rejected by the Common Council. Since that was rejected, the new modus operandi has been to over enforce parking violations so that he has the cash flows to make patronage hires to pay back political supporters. (And so that he can continue to falsely claim that he's 'lowered taxes').
That's the joy of unspoken agreements. I used to live on Allen, so I know how annoying overnight parking can be, especially on bus routes. You take the chance and hope for the best. I cherrish my driveway. The city needs all the residents it can get and this stuff keeps people out. It sucks.
I lived in the village for sometime, and went to college at Buffalo State. I know full well the parking situation that residents deal with on a daily basis. Some days you have to drive around for a good 15-20 mins trying to find a parking spot according to the parking signs. Of all my time there, it has been like the article stated on observed holidays it was okay to leave your car. Knowing this was an observed holiday, I would have been under the assumption of several years past where we did not have to move our cars.
As for the whole "if you live in the city, why do you need a car" statement, I think that is completely naive of the person to say that. Maybe you do not need a car, but you shouldn't just think of yourself. Many of the people who live there, have families, have lives. They not everything you need can be found right in the city either. There's appointments that need to be attended to, grocery shopping that needs to be done, kids taken places, families visited, I could go on and on. I lived and worked in the city, but I needed my car to go out and visit family- and also go to NCCC when I started taking other courses there.
Buffalo is a commuter city. We are not like the great cities of NYC, or San Francisco that have subway systems that connect you quite easily where ever you need to go.
sorry for the typo-"They not everything you need can be found right in the city either."
Minus the "they".
Can you clarify what the stated parking rules are for the street? If you can park on both sides on nights and/or weekends, and you were just expecting to extend it the holiday, I think you may have a legitimate complaint.
If, however, the street is governed by true alternate side parking (Mon-Thurs only on one side, Thurs-Sun only on the other side, no matter the hour), then I think the ticket was valid, although grinch-like.
I live on a corner in the city. One street has true alternate-side parking; the other street requires only daytime alternate-side parking.
Author statement: "I have lived on Ashland for 10 years, and in Allentown before that, and I have paid hundreds of dollars in parking tickets over the years - it kinda comes with the territory."
Reality: The author is irresponsible, lazy, or just apathetic to parking rules.
Author statement: "I kept an eye on parking at around 9 AM, and saw that both sides of the street were still packed with cars... So I left my cars where they were ....."
Reality: The author deliberately ignored parking rules.
Author statement: "My household is responsible for $60 in tickets to pay."
Reality: Who is to blame for a fine you incurred knowing the potential of parking on the wrong side of the street?
Author statement: "Instead of penalizing tax-paying City residents on a holiday, it's unfortunate that parking enforcement can't ever focus more on the nightly suburban dilettantes that clog Lexington, Bryant, Rhode Island and other streets with nightspots, block homeowner driveways, and invade convenience store parking lots along Elmwood because they are incapable of going anywhere without their cars."
Reality: Drop the tired "suburbanites vs city dwellers." The author complains that suburbanites are incapable of going anywhere without their cars, while openly admitting to being a city resident with TWO cars that were ticketed. The author doesn't even have a driveway to host one of those vehicles, thus contributing to clogging the city streets during winter snow emergencies.
This is what is wrong with America today, a sense of entitlement and no desire for accountability for action, or in this case inaction to follow the rules by moving the cars.
I am the author. I have avoided UR commentary for years due to the personal attacks that people seem to relish delivering as armchair planners and sociologists. However, I think the discussion this has ignited is great.
I have forgotten to move a car many times over the years, have received the ticket, and have paid it instantly and without complaint. I know: the City website doesn't mention anything about holidays... But when walking the dog this morning I saw block after block of ticketed vehicles, on a nationally observed holiday, it just seemed wrong.
I'm shocked at the negative responses here. I'm guessing many are not city-dwellers and can't understand your point.
For me, last Monday, the day after Christmas, it didn't appear that anyone on my street was ticketed for being on the wrong side, but today there were a ton of cars ticketed in the neighborhood. When a holiday falls on a Sunday, the Monday is usually the recognized governmental day off. Past experience as recent as last week had me certain they wouldn't be ticketing today.
Since the holidays where alternate parking are ignored aren't publicized, you can only guess and hope. Drove by a DMV that was closed today and I don't think there was mail today - if it's a government holiday, why are they ticketing?
If the street is signed for alternate parking EXCEPT holidays, then yes this was wrong, and you'll probably need to take a day off to get it dismissed in traffic court.
But if the law applies even on holidays and people were simply hoping that enforcement wouldn't be out ticketing, then good for the city for enforcing the law. If it had snowed, the plows would still be out, so glad to know that parking enforcement is doing their job too.
I can sympathize with the fact that it would have been inconvenient to move your car, but that's something that you take into account when you park it the night before. If you know that you don't plan on moving it the next day, you find a spot where that won't get you a ticket.
I wouldn't call the author of this article lazy, or irresponsible. Living there for so long, you come to know how the city works, and usually what to expect. So when there are those times when a holiday comes along, and you're use to not having to move the car, you don't really worry about it.
For me though, I always saw this as actual holidays- Christmas, New Years day, or any day when the government offices are closed. Not really days like today, because it's technically not a holiday anymore- so just to be safe I'm going to move my car.
I'm not saying that this person is right in their thinking, but I can understand where they're coming from.
And this, again, goes along with my comment of how INCONSISTENTLY they enforce the laws.
If the street is signed for alternate parking EXCEPT holidays, then yes this was wrong, and you'll probably need to take a day off to get it dismissed in traffic court.
But if the law applies even on holidays and people were simply hoping that enforcement wouldn't be out ticketing, then good for the city for enforcing the law. If it had snowed, the plows would still be out, so glad to know that parking enforcement is doing their job too.
I can sympathize with the fact that it would have been inconvenient to move your car, but that's something that you take into account when you park it the night before. If you know that you don't plan on moving it the next day, you find a spot where that won't get you a ticket.
It goes far beyond inconvenience. If I couldn't handle inconvenience, I would live elsewhere.
I regularly park 1, 2 or 3 blocks from home - it depends on what time of day it is. From Allentown, up through the area bounded by Summer, Elmwood, Forest, and Bidwell, it is very tough, no matter how carefully you plan ahead. But despite all of the different schedules that residents keep, on a holiday, there simply aren't enough spaces with only alternate parking allowed.
BTW- I actually think it is a bigger inconvenience to commute 20+ minutes each way from the suburbs.
I got a ticket on a Memorial Day at my apartment years ago. It wasn't that thought I'd get away with it, I just forgot it was Monday (you know how those days feel like Sundays sometimes?). So it can happen even on actual holidays and when snow clearing is not an issue. How much extra holiday pay do parking enforcers get for working holidays anyway?
I guess the writers point is that it seems like a money grab for the city and not a quality of life issue improvement for city residents. A similar money grab on suburban visitors (of which I am now) would be criticized as not city-friendly. I could see the ticketing if it was snowing and plowing was needed. Ironically, the winter overnight parking restrictions on my street now are not enforced unless it snows, which drives me crazy since I go out of my way to follow the rules Nov. 1 to April 1.
One more thing - Thank you to those of you have helped defend me against my CRIME of owning a car (let alone two). More than most people, I support public transportation, and I think young people getting trained to accept a lifetime "given" of paying to own, maintain, fuel, insure, and park personal automobiles is the real crime. The actual costs, of course, are much farther reaching.
I actually have to drive alot within the City for my job, and at certain times of year, my wife is in her downtown office well past midnight... Not the most awesome time for a single woman to hang around bus stops.
Therefore, my wife and I decided years ago that it was well within OUR budget to avoid dragging infants and toddlers between day cares, schools, work, grocery stores, Home Depot, Cub Scouts, dance class, you name it - year round, on trains, buses, bicycle, or on foot.
I have a car, I live in the city. I attempted several times in the past consistently using public transportation to get to my job in the suburbs. It's too much hassle and too time consuming. It's simply NOT worth it. Same goes for a lot of people that live AND work in the city. If you're not on a prominent bus route or metro line, it's a pain in the a** to use public transportation efficiently and effectively.
I'm with Villager!
Dumbest comment so far goes to Jesse for this gem "Yet another reason why car owners don't want anything to do with living in the city" If car owners didn't want anything to do with the city there would be no parking issues.
Since when is January 2nd an observed holiday??? That is why I moved my car yesterday night.
But I did just attempt a search for the holidays on the parking website and have no idea where to look...that is pretty bad on their part...I guess there are no Holidays according to the city of Buffalo
There has to be a lot of parking gestopo on the streets. Twice in two weeks I made a delivery, with a truck, put the flashers on, left a door open. Made the delivery within 5 minutes and boom, ticket. They will ticket if they can make it and get away
I too, have many times, forgotten to move my car... fallen asleep, didn't go back out as planned, whatever. In those instances, I had no trouble or gripe paying the tickets.
However, there are some gripes I have with Buffalo Parking.
1. They DO NOT CONSISTENTLY enforce the same laws. I got a ticket for parking 'less than 20 feet from a crosswalk,' which that Saturday morning I got out a tape measure and measured. I was 20'2" - sure I can fight it, I asked for a hearing, but after thinking about it and the way I've been treated at previous hearings; including how blatantly nasty and rude they are, I said forget it an paid it. Consequently, I CONSTANTLY see cars parked only a foot or two from the sidewalk or ACTUALLY OVER IT - do they get tickets? Nope!
2. Whoever asked about posting parking rules, regulations, etc. online - I'm with you! There's no reason why some sort of interactive map can't be made that shows you parking rules throughout the city. Including general rules (especially ones that aren't readily posted on signs, seasonal, etc.,) as well as special events, etc... there's been many times I've tried to find out about certain areas where there's a lack of signage, but there's no online source that I've been able to find.
3. Building on above - there definitely needs to be a list of parking rules for the ones that are, according to the city charter, "posted on entrances to the city." I'm sorry, but I don't feel you can fairly enforce a law that is posted on signs at ten entrances of the city, when there are HUNDREDS of ways to enter the city. While I agree that ignorance of the law is not an acceptable reason to break it. Conversely, you have to be given a fair warning of the law also. Assuming that someone sees a sign of say, 10 signs, posted at 10 entrances to the city, when there are one hundred ways to enter is not a fair warning. The only way to me that's enforceable is if it were a gated community. You then have NO choice but to see and know the law as well as receive fair warning.
4. DOUBLE STANDARDS. When parking enforcement officers park in fire lanes, handicapped spots or NO PARKING zones to go get coffee and donuts from Tim Horton's, (btw don't take a picture of this activity or you may have an officer CHASE YOU like I did,) food from McDonald's, etc. - this is UNACCEPTABLE and an abuse of power as well as plain and simple hypocrisy. This is the same for Police Officers who illegally park at Towne Restaurant to go eat, or wherever else for that matter. If you are there in an official police capacity, that's one thing - put your lights on, park your car, take care of it. If you are there to eat, socialise or do something otherwise NOT in the line of duty - as in a civilian activity. FOLLOW CIVILIAN PARKING RULES.
Awesome. It's good to know that I can go out and murder someone on January 1st, because of that holiday dispensation (tongue in cheek). It's the law. Move your car in time, or pay the price.
Also, don't forget" DON"T MAKE DELIVERIES IN THE CITY" you may be in violation.
I can't find anything on the City of Buffalo website about suspension of parking rules on holidays (and a list of what holiday days in 2011-2012 apply). How is it possible that parking rules are not listed anywhere on the City of Buffalo website?
My street in Parkside neighborhood was a sea of orange parking tickets this morning around 10AM.
See? Money grab theory continues to gain strength...
wahhh ! wahhh ! forty years driving and living in the city. I have only one ticket. follow the rules!! the city only made money because you didn't know where to park, or when, or can't read the signs!! remember: a ticket means YOU committed the violation..
We here so much from the liberals about discrimination so lets ask a very basic question about equality under this administration:
Was every section of the city ticketed equally?
Was the east side ticketed equally with the west and north and south?
Its a fair question to ask because you know if these tickets blanketed the east side that would be the fist accusation made against a no African American admin
The thing here is, and I say this as someone who detests Byron Brown, I don't think the mayor has as much control over the police and their day to day job. The reality is, it's in the police department/parking enforcement's benefit to increase ticket revenue as much as possible to have that as ammo when it comes time for contract negotiations. The more revenue they generate, the more that can say they are offsetting raises anbd benefits due to the revenue from tickets. They have every incentive to drive up revenue and they took advantage of it in this case.
And anyone who thinks that suburbanites don't consider parking as an obstacle to moving into the city is misguided. I don't care either way but at some point, the tradeoffs for living in the city versus the suburbs in WNY don't balance. Bad schools, crime, bad leadership, parking and plowing problems, etc. aren't what most people want to trade off their driveways, better schools, attentive and responsive local leadership, and relatively crime free neighborhoods for just so they can walk for a cup of coffee and dinner.
The incessant "everyone should take the bus and live in the city" rant that implies their way of life is both better and "right" is tiresome.
The Mayor, unable to contain his joy over yesterday's inauguration of the new county executive, proclaimed today Ticketsoncarz Day!
What, am I the only one who saw the press release??
Articles and comment threads like this are one of the reasons I rarely comment any longer.
Blah, blah, blah, poorly thought out self righteous article, blah, blah blah, over reaching unfounded comment, blah, blah blah, the suburbs are the root of all things evil, blah, blah, blah, the city is a hellscape of crime and minorities, blah, blah, blah, STEEL lives in Chicago, blah blah, blah. . .
I miss NONONO and Chocolate Snake.
There are lots of American cities where one can ditch having a car: Pittsburgh, Columbus, Boston, San Francisco, Seattle, Ann Arbor, Philadelphia, St. Louis
I lived for years in Columbus without a car and I wouldn't describe Columbus as a city particularly designed for transit or walkability. It also only has bus service. You do have to position yourself to be able to do that (get a transit-accessible job, live in the urban core), which can be difficult to maintain over time or if you have a family.
Also, I think I started enjoying winter a lot more once I ditched having a car and started living in apartments. Winter is a very different experience when you can just hop on an already warm bus and be to work in a few minutes rather than needing to dig out a car several times a day and wait around while it heats up.
Having gotten a ticket on MLK Day, about 10 years ago, I have learned that 'holidays' in Buffalo don't mean getting a break - even though there's not even room on most West Side streets to hold all the cars on one side, if people stay home that day. You can also get a ticket for parking within 20 feet of any intersection (called a "crosswalk", in the law) if the cop feels like it. I now will park any distance from the house, to avoid having to move the car at 9am or park near a corner.
There is one reason for alternate parking in Buffalo: to give us tickets. My street has 2 chances per week to plow on my side: Monday & Wednesday, from 9AM to 4PM. Even though it's also a bus route, the plows get here no more than 1/4 of those times. Street sweeping? Haha - maybe once per year. In NYC, holidays are honored with clearly announced suspension of weekday parking rules, AND the street sweepers follow behind a ticket-giver - meaning that if the sweeper doesn't get to your street, you don't get a ticket. Seems fair to me.
Living in Buffalo (but not in the areas where the ticket-givers are afraid of being shot) makes you a cash cow for the dishonest frauds who run City Hall. Want to challenge your ticket? Chances are good that you'll plead your case before someone who LIES about living in Buffalo & actually commits election fraud by living in Kenmore & maintaining a fake address in Buffalo. My sister lives in Kenmore, 2 doors from one of those ... you figure out who.
City Hall's "F-You" attitude toward the citizens of Buffalo is one good reason why so many chose to escape to the surrounding suburbs. And NO, being in The City does not mean you don't need a car. The nearest grocery & drug stores are at least a mile from me, over unwalkable streets. This is not Manhattan or Brooklyn.
People - one of the primary reasons cities do NOT have alternate side parking during weekends (non-workdays) is because there would be no chance for everyone to obey the law. See, during workdays, many people drive their cars to work and (thus) there are a lot of open spaces for people to obey alternate side parking. On weekends - and NON WORK WEEKDAYS LIKE OBSERVED HOLIDAYS - there is no chance everyone could obey these workday ordinances.
Ticketing cars on observed holidays is a transparent money grab. Only someone without the least bit of perspective on why these policies exist in the first place would defend it.
once again: want the convenience of driving to certain destinations without the hassle of on-street parking?
http://www.buffalocarshare.org/
i am not affiliated with this organization in any way. i bike or walk everywhere.
I have lived in this city for a long time and my understanding has always been that when the buses run on a Sunday schedule, parking is also on a Sunday schedule. I have always followed that and never had a problem until yesterday. Yesterday was a Federal holiday and the metro was running on a Sunday schedule according to the Buffalo News. There is parking enforcement on Sundays for no parking zones and hydrants but not for alternate weekday parking. For all intents and purposes yesterday was a Sunday, the banks were closed, courts and city offices were closed. People who received tickets for parking on the wrong side of the street yesterday are not guilty of illegal parking. The same cars did not receive tickets the day after Christmas, also an observed Federal holiday. This is a serious disgrace and I certainly hope City Hall corrects this injustice.
Speaking of the News, a comment on AV says that the city govt in the past has announced in newspapers that holidays would be free of ticketing for alternate side parking. I'd forgotten that but it sounds familiar, like maybe it was next to notices about garbage pickup, govt office closings, NFTA schedules, etc.
http://blogs.artvoice.com/avdaily/2012/01/02/buffalo-tickets-cars-on-federal-holiday/#comment-28397
"…. However, for many West Side streets, it is simply a prohibition on parking on one or the other side from 9 AM until 4 PM. If it’s essential for emergency vehicles from 9 – 4, then it must be essential at 8 or 5. It simply makes no sense to enforce that rule on a national holiday, when many people were off of work, and when – if you check newspapers from past years – the City often suspends its parking rules on holidays. …
Comment by Gillian Brown — January 3, 2012 @ 11:57am"
If that's true, all the more reason many residents would have reasonably thought the Jan 2 holiday wouldn't be treated as a typical Monday for this.
This seems very pre-meditated to catch people off guard, because I think by default the parking violations dept workers would have New Year's Day off just like most city govt workers do - so someone pretty high up must have decided to authorize the overtime.
I can definitely understand the annoyance of true situation since I live in a building with about 35 apartments and only about 25 parking spots and surrounded by bus routes but if there is no spot in my lot I have to park on a side street a block away which has alternate parking so sometimes it's quite a trek. I share a car with my bf and I took the bus usually and sometime I had the shorter walk if the car was far away but suck it up and deal with it. You know the rules and had the opportunity to move your car
Never mind how unimportant the alternate parking rule might sometimes seem, especially if snowplows getting through is not the immediate issue.
If an emergency vehicle had to get through a car-clogged street, no matter how short the street, and if that emergency vehicle was an ambulance trying to get to you, or, if that emergency vehicle was a firetruck trying to save not only you but your family and your home, your guests and your pets...
And if either or both of those kinds of emergency vehicles had even one car in the way and that one car was NOT stuck because of deep snow but because the owner was forgetful or figured what the heck, everybody's doing it...
And if cars are not always ticketed for being parked illegally making it immaturely ok to ignore the above possibilities...
Well then, what if even just one person living on Ashland, (or any tight street) might have become tired of feeling fearful during each major holiday and called the police, who then must respond. 1-3-12 8:22 PM
1) Are you a spambot?
2) There is no alternate side parking on weekends. So what do emergency vehicles do then? Oh, I know, the humans driving them drive through on the street through two rows of parked cars with no incident.
Ridiculous.
Are you a Netstalker, which would mean being that on more than one Netsite???
Crisa's argument is 100% wrong: "If an emergency vehicle had to get through a car-clogged street, no matter how short the street, and if that emergency vehicle was an ambulance trying to get to you, or, if that emergency vehicle was a firetruck trying to save not only you but your family and your home, your guests and your pets... " ---
BECAUSE: the alternate parking is only from 9am to 4pm on most streets, either on Monday & Wednesday (mine), Mon-Tue-Wed (one side of Bird) Thur-Fri (other side of Bird or some other combination of weekday hours.) Bird, Hoyt, Parkdale, Abbottsford, Tremont, etc etc etc can have cars parked on both sides at all other times - meaning every weekend and EVERY weekday night. Firetrucks, cops, and ambulances can make their way through 24 hours a day. There might not be room for 2 cars to pass, thus the many one-way streets, but any emergency vehicle can get through - unless said street is so narrow that parking is ONLY on one side, at all times - and that's not the subject here.
December 26th and January 2nd were not observed holidays. They were days off from work because the actual observed holidays of Christmas Day and New Year's Day were on a Sunday when most people are off from work anyway.
1-3-12 8:31 PM
okay, everyone has had a long and gratifying gripe session.
now if you're that unhappy with buffalo's parking regulations, then why don't you find a city that has better ones and start lobbying common council to replace them?
I get very annoyed when I get ticketed for illegal parking. That's why, when in doubt, I usually err on the side of caution and don't park where I think it might be illegal. It might take a few extra minutes out of my day every once in a while, but at least I don't have to annoy my friends and family with whining after being caught with my car in a place where it wasn't supposed to be. That's also why I am not willing to listen to other people, who are apparently too damn lazy to get with the parking regulations, complain after I put in the extra effort to do so.
Looks like the City has taken their stand.
http://www.wgrz.com/rss/article/148741/37/Neighborhood-Leader-Upset-Over-Parking-Tickets
http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/buffalo/residents-see-red-over-orange-tickets
So Mayor Brown had decided to punish its own residents in the actual STRONG neighborhoods that it has, whereas over the years they reward potential visitors to the weak ones:
Maybe in return the City will decide to actually plow these street once or twice this year, while this is fresh in our collective memory.
Interesting. So basically the world works this way:
When a private-sector employee gets an extra company-paid day off, they are happy to have the day off and go about their business.
When a city employee gets an extra govt-paid day off, they demand everybody else caters to them to make their lives as easy as possible on their paid day off.
Did i get that correct, or am I missing any other demands?
I think somebody had to work January 2nd... :(
"Those parking regulations are in effect and are enforced 365 days year a year," Helfer told WGRZ-TV, adding, "there are very good reasons and rational behind those ordinances."
Maybe I'm missing something - but that would mean there should be ticketing on Thanksgiving, and any other holiday that fell on a weekday? So, if it's SO important, parking guys shouldn't take any days off.
Also - the whole it's your fault stop complaining string is nonsense. Following norms does not a bad person make.
Exactly - that is what several people have pointed out to me. Momorial Day, Labor Day, Thanksgiving - always on weekdays. You never see tickets.
People have mentioned alternate parking is because of snow plowing - then why do it all year?
Readers have stated that alternate parking facilitates garbage pickup - WRONG, my garbage is picked up well before 9 AM, and last I looked, people live on both sides of most streets.
Folks have posited that alternate parking exists for emergency vehicle access - good thing houses never burn down at night.
I am NOT making demands, 300miles. But I will admit to complaining. I am complaining on behalf of the hundreds of other people burned by this holiday mass ticketing exercise.
Some good comments are also found over on Artvoice:
http://blogs.artvoice.com/avdaily/2012/01/02/buffalo-tickets-cars-on-federal-holiday/
I understand why it could be frustrating. But all those other days: Memorial, Labor, Independence, Thanksgiving, are national holidays. January 2nd is not a holiday at all, it's an extra day your employer gave you off since the real holiday fell on a weekend. Not every employer does this. You got a nice benefit. If my employer gave me Jan 6th off should I expect the city to change it's parking policy for me? If not, then why should it change it's parking policy for you? And if they bend the rules for one non-holiday, then how can they avoid all the other non-holidays that people might get out from work?
That's all I'm saying :)
Your Jan 6 example doesn't sound at all similar.
The city govt itself treated Jan 2 as a holiday, as did NY state, Erie County, the NFTA, and the federal govt, all banks, etc., etc.
http://www.opm.gov/operating_status_schedules/fedhol/2012.asp
http://www.cs.ny.gov/attendance_leave/2012_legal_holidays.cfm
From the top photo with this article, look at how full the other side of the street (across from the ticketed cars) is due to so many people usually at work being home. That's how it is every weekend and weeknights on many residential 1-way streets, then Mon-Fri in daytime when alternate parking is in effect there's many fewer cars needing spaces and it balances out.
People were supposed to have to go hunt for spaces blocks away, all at once at 9am on Jan 2?
Why should that be?
Nice summary. You said what I was trying to get across... but did it better. ;)
You're welcome. Your article and comments have said it well too - a lot of people agreed with you on here and AV. It can help to have multiple people saying it in different ways.
In the end, it isn't clear what they think they're accomplishing by being so aggressive in marginal type cases such as govt holidays and intervals close to side changeover times. Ticket revenue benefits are outweighed by how much they irritate without good reason residents they should be trying to keep happy about living here.
When public danger could be involved such as blocking a hydrant, or blocking a driveway, or being too near a busy corner or bus stop - aggressive enforcement with little or no tolerance makes sense. But on so many residential streets across the city where car owning population greatly outnumbers driveways, the weekday alternate side justification in most cases is to enable snow plowing. That's important but the goal could be accomplished in a much less resident-hostile way. What they've been doing is similar to giving a lot of speeding tickets for going 3 MPH over just to raise revenue. Speeding is always illegal yes, but enforcement should use good judgment and discretion.
OK, one more thing (nobody will see this, but it think it proves my point better than all of the discussion above...
At 7 PM I heard a firetruck honking outside, and went outside to see what was happening. The fire engine was responding to an emergency, and couldn't fit down Lexington. Lex has two way traffic, and there were cars lining both sides - even though it was over an hour after the 6 PM changeover to no parking on the South side. How many tickets? NONE on over 12 cars that I checked.
I just got home (about 9:30 PM). There are still 8 cars parked on the wrong side. How many tickets? NONE.
It is the inconsistency that bothers me. Do I know for certain that the City wants to avoid ticketing visitors to The Place, Kuni's, Wild Things, and the dance studio? No. But on the morning of an observed holiday, they knew damn well they were targeting residents.
That is all. (100 comments, wow...)
I get so irritated when I jog up & down Ashland & Norwood & the number of cars ticketed for parking surpasses the number of cars broken into! There is a serious parking issue near Ashland & Lex. now too (worse than when the co-op was here) & don't tell me to get rid of my car...I work on the East Side & was assualted biking to work, plus... (the bus would be 3 transfers @ 7am). The city was just making money on Monday...thanks for speaking up.
I completely agree with the very rational viewpoint of the author of this article. If you live in the city (as I do) you realize parking can be a problem at times, however, you also don't expect the city in which you live to treat you as if you're not welcome in your own home/street. Buffalo struggles to keep it's residents and this is another annoyance that is part of the problem. When I moved to the city multiple friends that live in the surrounding burbs all said "don't do it, parking will drive you nuts!" I of course disagreed and am happily living in the village. But the point is that the city is ONLY it's residents. Treat them fairly and you might find more of them.
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Somebody at City Hall needs extra money again. Ditch the cars, take a bus!
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