City December 5, 2011 12:11 PM

Advocates Halt the Demolition of City-Owned Properties

Advocates Halt the Demolition of City-Owned Properties

Last week a small group of advocates worked together to halt the demolition of twenty-four city-owned properties. David Torke of fixbuffalo, Daniel Ash of Farmers and Builders, Mark Kubinec, and myself documented the existing conditions of the properties to determine if demolition really was necessary. Check out this Google Map for the locations of the properties which was generated by David. Now before anyone cries obstructionist or declares how necessary and wonderful shovel-ready sites are, let me explain.

The City of Buffalo has no strategic demolition plan. That means if they own it and cannot sell it, they will tear it down. As a result, two city-owned properties often occupy the same block and the better of the two is torn down first. Take for example these two buildings on Leroy Avenue by Kensington Avenue. This end of the block has been decimated in recent years, the googlemap image shows how dense it was in 2008, but now only two buildings remain.

leroy.pngCheck out the two pictures below and just guess which one is slated for demolition.

leroy side.pngIf you guessed the home on the left, with all of the windows blown out and open to the elements, you guessed wrong. In fact it's the corner building on the right, which has only a few broken windows and a roof that appears to be only a few years old. This intersection has an active property on the other three corners, potentially a great place for a little urban node to develop. The importance of corner buildings and lots cannot be underscored. They are focal points in a community and act as a sort of gateway to the area.

In a city which has continued to lose population over previous decades to believe everything can and will be saved is ludicrous. However, it is equally ridiculous not to consider what has the potential to be reused rather than adding to the already overfilled landfills.

There are many different components to consider when determining what has the potential to be reused, but the two which stand out the most are condition and surrounding context. Simply put, if a house has severe structural issues and is in the middle of an already decimated block, that house is likely an appropriate demolition candidate. However, if a house has only minimal issues and is located in a dense neighborhood with few other vacancies or empty lots, that's one to reconsider.

Take for example this lovely little bungalow located at 329 Wyoming Avenue. A quick check of the old city directories tells me that the home was built between the late 1910s and early 20s. It was originally home to a New York Central Railroad engineer, Preston L. King. From a historical standpoint its truly wonderful to imagine Preston toiling over designs late at night in his wonderful bungalow, maybe even developing innovative concepts for the company. Although King is long gone, the history is still very much alive and embodied in that home. It retains much of its original integrity and the only thing which seems to be an issue is the partially rotted soffit and a single open window.

 

329 Wyoming IV.jpgHouses which line Wyoming Avenue are well maintained by prideful, middle class, African American families. There are very, very few vacant homes and even less vacant lots. How someone could possibly explain to the community that an empty lot would be better than rather than reusing the home is beyond me. It could even be rehabilitated as a Habitat for Humanity home or maybe by a homesteader willing to move from the suburbs and reinvest in the city, which is becoming increasingly less rare.

Efforts are currently underway to forge a partnership with the city to invest in a more strategic plan for demolition. Identifying properties which have the greatest potential for reuse and located in dense neighborhoods is crucial. Buffalo is a big city and too often City Hall does not have the staff to keep up with the demand for demolition. There needs to be more consideration for these properties so that they can re-contribute to city taxes, maintain the character of these underappreciated neighborhoods, but most of all, be homes to families which are willing to reinvest in Buffalo.

Check out the full flickr series of the properties here, courtesy of David Torke.

Get Connected: David Torke, davidtorke@gmail.com

 

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Congratulations to all involved-this is a great service to the city.

Contrary to the haters who will surface shortly, I truly believe we will want and need this housing in short order; the West Side is getting pricier and pioneers (such as Farmers & Builders) have started on initiatives which are changing the perception of the East Side (where most of the demos seem to be taking place).

I agree with most others, more in the know: we need true political leadership who espouses progressive programs (land banking, etc.), which we are simply not getting with Brown. The non-strategy strategy (coupled by the vinyl-sided newbuilds) could forever deter future investment in these areas.

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Would it kill the city to put a for sale sign in front of the properties they own that are available? I bet the cost would be less than the the demo of one building. Or list it with a realtor?

Furthermore, why are they trying to sell these at market rate? Why not just sell them all for something reasonable to cover overhead like $1000 each and waive any closing costs or transer fees with the county as well. Even if they only made $10,000 a year that's far less then the cost of demolition.

Many people have no idea these vacant properties are even for sale. The city should be doing whatever reasonable work they can to get these houses sold and back on the tax roll. Why must they complicate everything?

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I think for this to work, the city would need a go-between to manage these rebuilds. The last thing the city needs is inexperienced re-builders compromising the neighborhood and leaving it in worse shape.
I recommend that the city seek out a community based organization (maybe Habitat for Humanity) to screen and work with prospective buyers. I bet there are a number of people in this city with basic skills, time and determination to make one of these a permanent home(maybe some of Buffalo's new immigrants). They would need some cash and tools(managed by this third party) and the house is theirs. I believe PUSH already has a tool library - this could be expanded or copied just for these rebuilds. The average tear down cost the city over $15,000 so I'm sure the city could put some of this towards materials instead. Buffalo ReUse could help here. The key would be finding the ideal candidate and coordinating all three community organizations. If successful, it could be a road map for other cities to use.

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You'd be surprised what inexperienced re-builders can do with a little bit of guidance. We shouldn't require formal education, certification or organizations, public or private for us to learn how to satisfy our basic needs. Repair work is not rocket science. I live on one of the best streets in Allentown where most of the homeowners fixed up there own houses. They provided all the guidance I needed to fix my own.

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Well the city does have the homestead program where first time home buyers can buy a house for a $1 if they qualify and the particular house is eligible. However, the typical person that needs this service is probably not savvy enough to research it and jump through all the hoops involved so it's not as helpful a service as it could be.

It just makes far more sense to market these homes for as cheap as possible to get as many sold to minimize the city's overhead of keeping them and eventual cost of demolition. The other X factor is how more empty lots hurt the quality of life, image and perception of the city which is priceless.

The city has no problem endorsing subsidies for developers like Croce (which I'm in favor of) but really drop the ball when it comes to everday citizens that truly need the help.

I believe the city has something like $2 mill in the budget for demolition next year. I realize some, if not half, of the buildings are too far gone to avoid demo but if they could really push to sell every property that still has a chance I bet they could reduce that cost by half if they were so inclined.

They just really need to do more marketing, offer incentives like no closing costs, lower the prices on every building, and streamline the buying process to make it as easy as possible for ANY person to purchase a home.

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I'd rather see buildings like these be RE-USED instead of replaced by the plastic crap this city likes to build.

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Are you referring to the houses they like to build on the east side close to Michigan? I think that comes down to a mtter of perspective. Where you see "plastic crap," I see neighborhoods of decent looking owner - occupied houses. What would you rather see in its place?

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Anything BUT suburban sytle CRAP in the city. Buid urban friendly housing instead. NON-PLASTIC

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Well, I'm not sure what you had in mind, but that's they way they build houses these days. What passes for urban - friendly in your book anyways? More of the old wooden style houses that make up the majority of the housing stock in the city? Most of those houses were built within a couple decades of each other and are very much products of their era. They reflect the tastes of people back then, much like these correspond to more modern tastes.

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WOW, if you really consider those plastic homes 'urban friendly', you really need to get out more. They are not modern, they belong in the burbs.

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Well, so what is your idea of a urban friendly house then?

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LIKE THIS!!!!
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/sep/25/special-feature-urban-living-walkable-neighborhood/print/

WALKABLE COMMUNITIES: Mix-Use- Living, Working, Shopping. Where do you see any of this included with your 'PLASTIC HOUSING'??????????

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And, what happened in Amherst when they tried to build one of these town center lifestyle communities on the site of the shooting range last year.

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Um, again, you really need to get out more. We are not talking about Amherst. We are talking about the city of Buffalo, more so in the East Side. I'm sure if those developers had planned to build that lifestyle idea in this part of the city, it would be approved or at least fought to be BUILT by it's residence's.

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The east side simply doesn't have the demographics to support that type of build. See Genesee Gateway.

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Oh yeah, another thing. These houses that are supposed to be demolished are in neighborhoods that don't match what that link proposes to be a walkable neighborhood with mixed retail/work/ and residential. So if your idea is that a neighborhood like you see in that link is the ideal (which is to say nothing of the designs of those places, that forced historic look is just as bad if not worse than what they're building on the east side in my opinion), shouldn't we demolish them to build more walkable neighborhoods?

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Oh, come now, Lego. Not everyone wants to live in apartments, which is the style of living that your link shows. Home buyers, generally speaking, actually like having a back yard and room for the car. Plus a little privacy from their neighbors. They prefer that others not live above or below or sharing a party wall.

Let me guess: you don't have kids yet. Do you own your own place yet? Sorry the stuff they're building is too suburban for your tastes, but when the typical buyers aspires to purchase new, those amenities (yard, garage, privacy) are what most buyers like. A lot. I have no objection to providing that in the city. We have the space to accommodate it. And we don't have the population to support the density you desire. So lighten up on what buyers want to purchase.

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Your the one who ought to get out and maybe look around the city of Buffalo. 99.9% of the people live in detached homes. You know, like the ones they are trying to save. The people of Buffalo are partial to detached homes. Period. If they like town homes and condos there would be more of them. That is why developers build detached homes. There is a market for them.

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Salt, that comment makes no sense when considering the state of Buffalo. People move away to find the lifestyle Lego is describing - that's the point. Attracting NEW people, especially the wealthier, college educated 22-35 demographic that craves what he's describing is the point. You don't do that by sitting around hoping the 1950s white picket fences comes back in vogue with the premier tax bases.

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THANK YOU!!!! Someone who actually 'get's it'. I thought I was alone in the Twilight Zone here.....This city needs to re-think it's development (or at least get one) that will make this city a 'walkable' city. Have detached homes on every block (side streets and main streets that once had business's) will not create a walkable enviroment. So far, all these 'plastic' homes, and knocking the other buildings down is destroying what ever is left of these old neighborhoods. One needs to only look at cities (beyond Buffalo) to see how places go from bad to good with the right development. Look at NYC for example. What was once considered the Most Dangerous City in America is today's Safest Big City in America. Look at the former run down neighborhoods: Harlem, Hell's Kitchen, SoHo, Bed-Stuy, and so on. They did'nt knock everything down and make it one big suburb (the city would suck if it did). They 'CLEANED' it up by restoring old buildings, building mix-use buildings to make the area 'walkable', added office spaces where people can 'WORK' in these new up and coming neighborhoods, made space for retail and restaurants. Yeah, some areas that were once considered 'poor' are now home to the upper class, but hey, It brought people back to the community and these area are no longer left for dead.
The mind set in Buffalo needs to change if we are ever to grow. To say , 'we live in a poor city', 'we are not a walkable community', blah, blah, blah, is why we are a dying city to begin with. To not think big, to think 'plastic' is the best option, and to not want 'walkable' streets because the surburbs in the city is what you all want, then why not just move to the burbs? Why DESTROY what's left of the city so you can live your fake suburban lifestyle in the city????? Makes no sense to me.

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Are you trying to compare Manhattan to Buffalo? I would hope you can see that you can't even hope to compare the two. NYC and Buffalo aren't even remotely close to even dreaming of being in the same league. If you think otherwise maybe you ought to get out of Buffalo a little and look at the world outside of Erie county. The reason that NYC is walkable is a result of its large population and relative wealth in combination with its compactness. It is a world capital of finance, culture, and business. We are a rust belt city with a declining population that's less than half of what it was at its peak and a relative lack of largescale private enterprise. NYC is a bad example to compare us to, we aren't even close in anyway that you can realistically make a comparison. What works for them is not likely going to work for us. What other city can you think of then that you can compare us to? What other cities in this country have large areas of walkability? Let me know, I'd like to know.
There's nothing wrong with thinking big or actually exerting some effort to think outside of the box. But if you don't think in terms of what can realistically be done in Buffalo, then don't be surprised if nothing gets done at all. You want walkable streets like you see on some website, but people and the market evidently don't care about what you want or they'd have been building them all along.
Their fake suburban lifestyle? Wow, that's some potent language. I suppose you ought to tell them that they're living a fake lifestyle down there. Imagine that, the poor fools wanting their own house with a yard and a garage. Imagine that, if only they knew how wonderful it would be if somehow magically people could start working and shopping in these neighborhoods, as though these things could magically be planned into existence. Of course, maybe they should never have built anything that you personally didn't like there. Everything should be like it is on Elmwood. I'm not sure if you can remember what used to be there in these neighborhoods, but it was much much worse than what is there now. But instead of looking at the progress that's happened down there, you criticise it because it doesn't correspond to your version of reality.

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Elmwood and Hertel are arguably the most walkable streets in the city if not all of WNY, right? Well nearly every side street off those streets are filled with nothing but detatched homes.

If you are referring to major thoroughfares like Broadway, Clinton, William, etc then yes it would be nice to infill them as you wish but 99% of the city owned homes in question here are on side streets in neighborhoods that once looked like Ashland or Norwood. Building your idea would simply not work on streets like those.

What would work best in areas that are nearly vacant of homes now is building something to the effect of Rabin Terrace. All those homes are brick, built within 15' of the curb, are very densely packed together but offer the ammenities most people want when buying a home.

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best comment of the discussion.

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Great comment. The archetypal house form for most of Buffalo is the single or double detached house. It makes sense for new housing on side streets to retain that form (with a smattering of small apartment buildings and "corner store" types of retail being perfectly welcome).

But I think Lego1981 is right that major streets like Seneca, Clinton, William, etc., should not have been redeveloped with single-family houses but with the mixed-use form that those streets historically had. Now we are left with neighborhoods with no business district - and that is really kind of the definition of suburban-style development.

It looks like the current redevelopment of Seneca Street (in the Larkin District) is harking back to the traditional form of apartments over businesses, and on Elmwood we have seen nice mixed-use buildings like the ones at Bryant and near Utica so hopefully the pendulum has started to swing back.

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Sorry, my comment was directed at LEGO, not you.

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You're right, let's avoid my point that NYC not too long ago was run down, crime ridden and people were moving out! Buffalo is no different today. It can be brought back to life. It depends on how we 're-build' our city.

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I get the point you're making. What I'm arguing is that NYC is a totally different city. They have a lot more resources than we do here. We are an old industrial city that lost most of our industry and have been struggling to find our way in the world since then. NYC is a financial and cultural capital of the world. Turning that around is a whole different game than to turn around Buffalo. What works for NYC isn't likely to work for us. It's not foolish to try to improve things here, but we need to find solutions that address our own problems that works for us.

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Do you not know NYC was BROKE from the mid 1970's up till sometime in the late 80's to early 90's????? It had people moving out in droves, crime was up, people did'nt want to take public transportation, buildings were either knocked down or burned down...Sounds alot like Buffalo, don't it? Hmmmm, not so different after all.

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Sure, NYC had all of those problems you mentioned, though not to the same extent that Buffalo does. I think the problem with that thought is that you didn't take it far enough. What did NYC do solve these problems that we didn't? If you can answer that I think you'd find where the differences lay.

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Please stop implying that the New York City Renaissance (fueled by a massive population, enormous capital investment, and the exponential growth in wealth of the world's super-rich) can be duplicated in Buffalo. It is a comparison that defies reason, and it makes you sound crazier than you already are.

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No one is saying that Buffalo can rebound on a scale of NYC, so I hope everyone can please calm down.

What we ARE saying that a city has certain strengths that the suburbs do not. (And vice versa). Trying to tear down the city and rebuild it a la Amherst or Clarence won't rebuilt Buffalo, and I challenge anyone to provide proof that it does.

Buffalo should offer a lifestyle that the suburbs cannot. If you don't like it, then don't live there! There are many choices available for you. But for those who DO like a walkable city, then there should be an option for them.

Why that simple idea should engender such hostility, I really don't understand.

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Into the 1950s and early 1960s, houses in the semi urban areas were sturdily built with firm outer walls. The garages were detached and the properties were larger. By the late 60s, as the housing boom in the suburbs went crashing full speed ahead and the term suburban was coined, and as the cost ans speed of building those look-alike houses rose, attaching the garages meant less land space needed and the wall of the house connecting the garage could actually be built cheaply. Best thing for a family to do back then was camp out at their house being built and keep a sharp and constant eye open for prevailing shoddiness!!! Those houses are old now.

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Right, and the city certainly wasn't immune to that either. There are well built beautiful houses in the city. We all know where they are. I truly marvel at some of the houses in the city, like the neighborhoods off of Richmond and Elmwood.
But in the areas where Buffalo was built cheaply and quickly, the quality often suffered just as well. I remember my uncle used to own a house off of Broadway near Bailey back in the 90's when it was still a primarily Polish neighborhood. He rented it out, and made an effort to maintain it. I used to help with some of the repairs. I remember how much he couldn't believe how shoddy the materials were. From the outside it looked like a pretty sturdy and well - built house. However, the plumbing (which was original) was cheap and the electrical wiring scared the hell out of him. He thought it was going to start a fire, and wound up rewiring a fair amount of it. The foundation wasn't sunk below the frost line, so it cracked. He replaced the furnace vents once, and no two anywhere in the house were the same size. There was a lot of obvious guesstimating in the measurements through out the entire house. Granted the house hadn't been super well taken care of for a couple of years before he bought it, but it pretty obvious that the place wasn't built to the same standard as other houses in the city. Eventually when the neighborhood changed and he started getting tenants who stole the washers/dryers he would provide or would skip out in the middle of the night to avoid paying rent, he got out before he lost his shirt. The house is still standing, but it's boarded up now and in terrible shape and I fully expect to see it on the news one of these days when the fire department has to put it out like they already have had to with a good number of houses on the street already.
There are cheaply built houses like this all over the east side and other parts of the city.

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Amherst was afraid of a walkable lifestyle comunity, They cause to much trafic. They prefer the peace and serenity if Transit road.

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Wow, easy there! There are other keys on the keyboard besides the exclamation mark and the question mark. Very interesting link there. I wonder how well these houses would have sold in Buffalo with a starting price of $429,000. I do hope you realize that the link is talking about a nice neighborhood in the Washington DC area and not a middle class neighborhood in Buffalo. I'm pretty sure these people who live in these houses are just happy to have the opportunity to buy a decent house at a reasonable rate. I'm sure your aesthetic concerns are probably pretty low on their list of concerns. You should go down there at tell them that they're doing it all wrong, I'm sure they'd love it.

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You forgot, The cost of land used is also part of the cost. Buffalo land on the east side, They can hardly give it away. The property in DC good chance 40%-50%of the cost is the land under it. I can buy a 3 bedroom ranch in Tonawanda in the 120k range, same 3 bedroom ranch in a LA suburb 600k range.

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That's absolutely true, I didn't expect that they would build a 429k structure in the east side. There's not a lot of places anywhere in the city where a house is worth that much. The point I was trying to make is that those Washington area homes are built for wealthy individuals who have the luxury of spending that kind of money on a residence. Obviously Buffalo and DC are two different animals. We just don't have that kind of money in this town. But these aren't bad houses, and they are a vast improvement on what was there before.

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Pamp, not to get in the middle of things, but you're incorrect about the characterization of "nice neighborhood[s] in the Washington DC area" - most of those listings are in underutilized, if not outright poor, areas in and around DC. DC (and its suburbs) uses key developments such as those outlined in the link to encourage density and walkability where there previously wasn't any. I imagine that's what Lego's point is - the builds mimic Anywhere U.S.A., circa 1960-2000, as opposed to something that's more savory to today's key demographics in other metro areas.

Ultimately I think it's entirely reasonable that you're both correct and there's a market for both older people who want to live near work and also want a nice SFH that doesn't come with 100 year old bones to care for and there certainly is a need to attract younger people with, e.g., higher quality townhomes builds that offer density and walkability. The city can stand to better attract all of the above.

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That may be true, but when they mention that the market rate townhouses start at $635,000 that makes you wonder. If they can get buyers paying that price in a neighborhood, either that neighborhood is pretty affluent or they're gentrifying the hell out of it. Washington is a totally different city than Buffalo, I'm sure you'd agree?
Key Demographics? What is exactly are you referring to with that? Who does that include? Do you think these people who live in these houses would fit into Buffalo's "key demographics?" These aren't poor people, but they're not wealthy. How many of them do you think could afford to live in one of the lofts that they're building downtown?
Walkability itself is an interesting concept. It seems to be something that people on the affluent end of society like and those on the other end of the spectrum have to deal with. Look at who walks in Buffalo. It's largely either the relatively affluent people who live near Elmwood/Hertel or the poor who can't afford a car and have to hoof it where they want to go. Just about everyone else in the city drives everywhere they want to go.
I get what Lego is arguing. They aren't the most exciting houses, but they are just about what the market can bear down there (not to get into the whole business of HUD subsidies for a lot of these homes).
I don't disagree that not everything in the city should necessarily have to look like this. There is room for both. But considering the neighborhood, I am more than happy that they've done as much down there as they have. I hope Buffalo can attract a healthy mix of different groups of people. But to think that the whole city can and will look like those townhouses is unrealistic.

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"$429,000" for a house to raise a family in is a part of the reason for the housing collapse. When in the 60s it became necessary to make houses in the suburbs less expensive on less land and throw them up fast to meet the enormous demand, it also became necessary for moms to work to pay those mortgages. Banks/investors accepted 2-income mortgage requirements. That should never have been allowed to happen, but it did. Creative Mortgages happened followed by recreated and overly-creative mortgages that could only tumble down.

Now all sorts of landlords with different intents are checking out houses all over the USofA including landlords from other lands!!! Buffalo and the suburbs do not attract the vested-in-neighborhoods sort of landlords though.

WNY never got so high up to tumble so far down. In a way we are lucky. Stop trying to bring Manhattanites here!!! And the urban prairie is a reality that will continue beyond invisible limits...

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Being labeled and proven , one of the poorest cities in the nation, many citizens are hard pressed to own, let alone renovate, or pay the costs to renovate many of these homes..but yes, there has to be a better way...now the city will hire an overseer , politically connected, at a whopping 100k a year salary...so goes life in Buffalo....being in its' own worst enemy!
Whopping water bills,(garbage user fees, meant only to only circumvent the tax ceiling at its inception)...higher than that of the Midwest, far from any natural water supplies, Ditto, for cost of electricity.. has a ripple effect on the ability of any reasonable means to own and maintain a home..let alone the neighborhoods where these homes are located!

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Thank you to David and Dan for pushing this issue. The city should advertise the houses for sale for one dollar. Many, if not most of them are in decent shape and can be reused. The city makes it so difficult to know whats out there for homesteading, no wonder why they are sitting there rotting away...

I don't understand why we don't take the money spent on demolition and use it to give grants for the homesteaders to use towards the house AND/OR use the 10 - 15k to fix the roof and secure an owner.

When you buy a 1$ house, the new owner is taking on at least 20K in debt immediately... if the city wants to be proactive and save/sell these houses it would be worth so much more to give the demo funding to the new owner for structural improvements/building securing.

IMO.

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Selling houses for a dollar ($1) is usually a bad idea unless a credit check is conducted and assets are verified. Too many bad investors are willing to pay $1 for a house that they cannot afford to properly repair. The house will then end up back In-Remittence and a continuing blight to its neighborhood. There is little difference if someone has to pay $5,000 or $1 for a house if they have to invest $40,000 into it.

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So where's the results of your documentation, it sounds like it'd make an interesting read. Is this it?
I think it does raise an interesting point though. What is it about these houses in particular when compared with hundreds of other city owned vacant houses that they were selected for demolition? What are the criteria that are being used by the city to determine what needs to come down? Are these houses that have some kind of underlying structure fault not visible on casual observation, or are these houses a source of complaints from the neighbors and/or the police?

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Remember the west side and Allentown was a craphole not so long ago. They were driving people around Allentown by the bus load telling people to buy and save these homes. I was on one of those busses. I didn't buy one at the time. Instead bought a home west of Richmond. My home in 2003 it was a city owned home and so were most of the homes in the area. Now eight years later the homes are selling in the 100-150k and up. The few years I have owned mine the value is well more than I have invested. People "used" to say no one wants to live on the west side. What happened on west side can happen on the east side if they don't tear it all down.

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And someday the next time my property is reassessed it will make the taxes a burden. I maybe headed to the east side.

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That's good most people would head to Florida, Texas or Georgia.

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Texas is where drought is recently preceeded by massive fires...

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Maybe my understanding is wrong, but don't all the $1 houses have to be owner occupied, primary residences? Why not lift those restrictions on houses that don't sell after 90 or 180 days? Not that the city needs more absent landlords, but having local and out of town owners actually investing in these neighborhoods is surely a lot better than empty lots and the city footing a demo bills.

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Weatherizing a property is a heck of a lot less expensive than demolishing it. Why is the city leaving these properties open to the elements? A more proactive approach and a little plywood would go a long way in avoiding many demolitions.

I also agree with the sentiment that the city should have it's own for sale signs attached to the house. I'm sure half the reason they don't is they don't want their name on it- they don't want people to know they are responsible for some of the city's worst properties.

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that is one sweet little bungalow. nice save, guys.

thumbs up on the 'for sale' signs. let's get these properties in the multiple listing service, too. why are we so sure that no one will buy them if we don't market them?

i've advocated houses for a dollar in the past, but with strict limitations: proven ability to pay, either with a credit check or a mortgage that funds the rehabilitation; owner-occupants only, no investors; the owner must bring it up to code in a certain number of years; and the owner must occupy for, say, 5 years before putting it up for sale.

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That's exactly what the homestead program is almost verbatum. The problem is the people who are eleigible may not even know it exists and consequently the houses rot for years and get torn down.

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That's exactly the current policy, as I understand it. Hopefully better marketing means these get snatched up. Otherwise, I think it's time to reexamine some of the restrictions and lift them in instances where houses are still undesirable at $1. Having investors, as opposed to owner occupants, isn't ideal, but it certainly is better than the house ending up in a landfill at the city's expense.

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Oh no! Is it you guys who are stopping the tearing down of the unsavable!?

Without proper captioning of the above pictures, I am guessing that the top and fourth down (same house) are on Wyoming. Has anyone thought to ask the live-in homeowners in that location what they want?

Most likely, live-in homeowners on Wyoming Ave. bought their homes well before they became rundown and those homeowners already know that a rundown house selling for $1, $5,000 or even $20,000 is an absentee, slipshod landlord's delight for collecting rents to house transient tenants and then abandoning the structure.

The first two sentences of the 2nd paragraph are WRONG. This sentence is CORRECT: When no buyer can be found, the City of Buffalo put those houses up for sale!

City for-sale signs are posted on rundowns all through the city now. Imagine how old that roof is because those TV antennas were all the rage 40 years ago, so the roof would be much older than 40 years. Do you know that those antennas often fall down? I bet the neighbors know that.

Then there is the google map image (2nd down) that is an entirely different location (reads Leroy Ave. in the pic) from the other three pictures, or is related to the 3rd picture down of a ratty old store with an apartment or two with a falling-down garage--not a live-in homeowner choice.

Or is that uncaptioned pic of a rundown store near the Broadway Market?

Where is "that house on the left"?

HforH, which is a great house saver, would take too long to save that house.

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Would you like to see for yourself what can be done with houses just like these? I'd be glad to give you a tour. I know of about a dozen of them in one neighborhood that had been "run down" and "unsavable", and are now solid homes.

Even the ones that require full gut renovations are worth it, if it is a solid house to begin with and no serious structural issues. It takes a small crew about a week or two for a house to be gutted to the bones... at which point you are left with a strong shell that would cost much more to build from scratch.

Structures ought to outlast the finish work. Drywall and other finishings can only last so long while the bones can last for centuries. We shouldn't tear down and rebuild entire houses when it's only the finish work that needs replacing... especially since they don't build strong structures anymore. There are no brick makers or brick layers anymore. There are no forests of old growth lumber left. All that remains is cheap, manufactured materials and unskilled day laborers.

These houses will never be replaced and we should protect them because they will serve us for generations more... unlike the fabricated crap they build today.

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Little do you know these houses were the fabricated crap of there time. All of them built to look the same and built with cheap materials.

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Exactly, a lot of them were built to house large populations of relatively poor immigrant families. They were built quickly and cheaply, and sometimes with some pretty dodgy workmanship. Some were well built, but alot of them were just the same design repeated over and over again, mass produced as cheaply as possible. And since a lot of them haven't been taken care of properly for decades, they are in terrible shape. Coupled with the fact that they're in neighborhoods where no one who can avoid it wants to live, a lot of these houses are essentially worthless.
Now, I don't think it's unreasonable to try some of the suggestions that were made up there. Selling houses for a dollar and partnering up with community organizations might be a way to save some of them. Why not, what we've been doing so far obviously isn't working.

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I would argue that if a house that was built over a hundred years ago, and in some neighborhoods many of them were, are still standing strong despite years or decades of neglect, then it is was built well. Let a new build stand neglected for 10 years and it will fall down.

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While Rome wasn't built in a day, during the 60s and 70s, when the burbs were booming, much of the garage-attached suburban houses were built in a minute! They are old now.

True craftsmenahip does not even happen in the building of six-figure housing.

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And neither does the revelation of where asbestos is... Remember, asbestos has been around for a very long time, LONG before it was used in siding.

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I agree there are plenty of shotgun houses that don't have much value. But there are plenty of houses that were quite grand and built like tanks. The whole premise of this article is that city does not have an good criteria for determining which houses are worth saving. There were a good number of them on the recent demolition list.

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That would actually be a good thing to find out, I agree. I would like to see what the story with these particular houses are. I think there may very well be a reason why these particular houses were slated for destruction instead of others, but knowing Buffalo you can never be too sure. I can think of several houses off the top of my head that are worse eyesores and a actual dangers to their neighborhoods. The one that I see that is easily among the worst in the entire city is one on the Corner of Bailey and Wecker. The whole thing is on a main drag, and is open to the elements with neighborhood people going in and out of it. Honestly I think an empty lot would be an improvement over this building. But is it on that list? Nope.

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Try to buy a cheaply built 800 to 1000sq. ft. workers cottage on Little Summer or Union Place. You better bring a big stack of cash or good credit with you. The people I know there didn't pay more than 20k for their places. No more.

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I'll also gladly email you before and after pics of my house which no one wanted for the longest time. Don't underestimate what can be done by anyone with some inclination.

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OK crisa.11_7_11@yahoo.com But please ID yourself so your e-mailed doesn't get junked.

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You have mail :)

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Congrats to both of you. Those renovations, in areas known to be restorable, deserve bragging rights!

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I would gladly email you before and after pics of my house also. Ninty five years being a rental and its score of slipshot owners and being taken over by the city no less than three times in the past ten years. A house the neighbors said you didn't even want to walk by. Don't underestimate what can be done by anyone with some inclination.

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Quote: The first two sentences of the 2nd paragraph are WRONG. This sentence is CORRECT: When no buyer can be found, the City of Buffalo put those houses up for sale!

So when they cant sell the houses, they try to sell them some more ? Thats like saying "when theres no milk left in the fridge, look in the fridge for more milk.

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I am chuckling at your examples, but you apparently don't know how right they are!

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It sounds like it should be a no-brainer for the ordering of demos to account for badness of condition. There could be some other considerations (such as nearness to occupied houses in terms of arson danger), but that might not explain the documented cases.

The Common Council in its oversight role should ask/tell Comerford to explain how the ordering is decided, along with questions such as Pampinform suggested and get answers on the public record somehow. Perhaps there's explanations not apparent from looking at the houses, but who knows.

Also, why For Sale signs aren't put on the houses would be a good question to ask him. And maybe that could be good simple legislation for them to write and pass to order that signs be posted.

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What about the danger levels of asbestos, lead and mold in these house. That will cost at least 10-15k
What about the outdated electrical services?

What about the lack of plumbing (copper) that has been stripped from these houses.

So what is the real value of these properties when you start with a negative 30-40k. not incuding any structural or roofing issues

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It's not difficult to get a home equity line of credit against the value of the house if you are able to buy it cheap enough. That's what funded me on both my first and current home.

I bought my first house in Lackawanna for 15k, (owner held mortgage for me with $5k down). I did some basic work myself and then got a home equity line of credit for $20k. I was able to finish all major work with that money and make the place quite nice. After 3 years I sold it for $50k and ended up with $18k after everything said and done.

I used that on my current house (cost $50k) and repeated the process. So in effect I turned my origianl $5k into approx $140k as that is what my current house is worth. If I sold it for that much I could pay off all my worldly debt with profit to spare. A little savviness can go a long way if you are so inclined. Also, Home Equity loans are much easier to obtain than a mortgage.

In short, that is how you can deal with renovation costs with very little money to start.

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I did about the same thing. I sold my first house I had for about twenty years. Bought my second house payed cash 60k and borrowed 85% of it back on a home equity witch paid for about 95% of all repairs. Thats a complete gut job its a new house inside no old electrical, plumbing, plaster & lath left. The house had no detail inside worth saving it was a shell with a bad apartment upstairs with space heaters heating the place. I left the big jobs to the pro's got all permits and I put the icing on the cake and did all the detail work myself. I've been told its worth $175k by a realtor and have had two realtors send me letters saying that they have a client that had seen my house and wanted to know if I was willing to sell.
A house three years ago many people didn't want to touch.
I'll sell it the next time its reassessed it went up 135% the last reassessment I won't be able to afford the next reassessment. Saying I've gentrified myself from my own home.

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Good for you! The best part is I bought my first place when I was 23 or so with a min. wage job. I bought my current place at the height of the housing crisis when no banks were giving out mortgages and I was only making $12/hr at the time too. So it goes to show that a little research and hard work can go a long way even if you do not make much money. Anyone with some guidance and resources (info) can do the same thing. These city owned homes could potentially open doors for a lot of low income families or young adults starting out.

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I was 25 when I bought my first house in Niagara county. Back in the early `90s there was no place in Buffalo I wanted to live at any price. If I were in my 20's now it would be a diffrent story. I would be hunting down a cheap city house the fringe of a good neighborhood. I played it a little safer than if I were in my 20s. Still bought a half gutted house near a pricy neighborhood. The house rite front me on the next street is a boarded up city house and the house rite behind me on the next street is for sale at $299,000. So if in your 20s and can take on the work go for it. I've seen some preaty cool places of under 30k invested. In a way I wish I would have done the same... Maybe next time.

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Good save guys...I'm sure people will be lining up tomorrow for these soooo desirable properties! cough cough

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Okaaaaay. So you are pleased to offer sarcasm instead of a constructive comment. That's fine -- I really don't care.

However, I would be interested in to know what your better alternative would be? Tear down all the buildings in Buffalo? And then what? Just walk away? I have yet to see what solutions anyone has for Buffalo once all the empty buildings are wiped away. Usually, people like you just offer vindictive comments, such as "well, if no one wants to live in Buffalo, it can just rot."

Blame, blame, blame. Finger pointing, More blame -- that's all we ever get from people like you. Yes, reversing decades-long trends are not easy. It takes time, commitment, ideas, and energy. No one is saying that saving this one house will turn Buffalo around. But I have yet to see anyone argue that tearing it down will turn Buffalo around either. But I really don't see how you improve things by removing assets that you have.

I hope that you will prove me wrong, and instead offer something better.

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Great article, demolition is usually reactive with no true comprehensive assessment of the condition or potential of the property. I think a simple proactive approach could include a rating system to score the various issues related to the viability of the house. A few key aspects might be as follows.

-Is the house of historical significance? This is rare and should be, we should reserve significant for the best.

-Is the house a fairly intact example of a particular period or style? This is where the we need to protect a real asset with future potential. We continue to demolish the best of our old housing stock along with the junk.

-Does the house retain most/some of its original form, trim, and design elements? still has potential to attract interest and adds desirability.

-Is the house structurally sound? Is the foundation in good/fair condition?

-Is the envelope of the house(roof, siding, windows)in good/fair condition?

-Is the underground portion of the sewer/water service in good/usable condition? Is the main electric service usable? Many are OK but if they require replacement it adds big upfront costs.

-Is the neighborhood still somewhat intact, are there other invested homeowners or responsible landlords? always important for the neighborhood.

Finally, though property values certainly influence the viability of a renovation we need to think more long term and recognize the advantages of restoring and rebuilding our old neighborhoods. The ROI is always measured in dollars.

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good post. spoken like a facilities maintenance expert:)

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If there were awards for stupidity our politically elelected leaders in buffalo would win top spotsnationally.

For 75 years buffalo has demolisheNd unweaved a tapestry from a goldene. Most cities never get a golden age. A lucky few get 1 golden age and if they are smart then they harsh it and use it to brand their city with an identity that will invite others to be its patrons...buffalo just pisses it away as if it had nothing to begin with...

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This would be an ideal Habitat for Humanity house and can be donated by contacting David Floyd at 662-7249.

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@DASH

You said:

I agree there are plenty of shotgun houses that don't have much value. But there are plenty of houses that were quite grand and built like tanks.


The challenge with this is the cheap houses and former grand houses are on the same block.


The only solution that I see that would make everyone happy is moving houses. Does anyone know how much that would cost? It really would create a solid litmus test if you think about it. If a home can be moved, it is worthy of rehab. If it can not be moved, it should be taken down.

I know people want to save stuff but you can not save without creating IMO. The East Side is so vast and is never going to be populated like it once was. At least in the next 50 years.

They should try and take 40% of the East Side off the grid. Make a massive park space if needed. Who knows.

Then select a main thoroughfare like Broadway and focus transit and retail on a corridor that spans +/- 10 blocks. At the same time as moving the rehab homes in, clear out the crappy ones.

I think if you took the funding away from projects like suckmore village...you would have the money to do this over 10 years. Of course the preachers and grassroots would not have a much say in building new homes for their constituants but how important is that in the big picture.

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Mike, when the Mayor announced his "5 in 5" Demolition Plan back in August 2007 (the plan to demolish 5,000 homes in 5 years at a cost of $100 million), it was a poor plan (or lack thereof).

As you correctly pointed out, the City has no Strategic Demolition Plan. The only identified strategy that I could find is from an August 2007 policy brief (http://www.ci.buffalo.ny.us/files/1_2_1/Mayor/PublicPolicyPublication/5in5_DemoPlan.pdf) where it states, “Mayor Brown’s policy will prioritize demolitions in areas with redevelopment plans in place, as well as sites posing a threat to public safety.” That says little about the Mayor’s strategy.

Furthermore, the City does not have a Building Condition Inventory or a Housing Rehabilitation Plan.

I have long argued that demolition planning should follow a process such as this:
1.) Review and update the inventory of vacant city-owned structures
2.) Conduct at least a baseline condition assessment of all buildings in the inventory
3.) Classify buildings as current structural hazard, likely future structural hazard/unlikely rehab candidate, rehab potential/building stabilization candidate, and immediate rehabilitation target
4.) Prioritize demolitions based on condition and devote an equal amount of funding to building rehab

I also agree with a previous comment that demolition funds should go into property rehab for any buildings that can be salvaged at a reasonable cost. The City could turn these funds over to a responsible neighborhood housing organization with housing rehab experience or given to an interested buyer in the form of a forgivable loan.

I also think the homestead program should be changed to allow landlord ownership, recognizing that proper protections are needed to ensure that properties are not being acquired by slumlords and are being rehabbed in an appropriate and timely manner.

As you are probably aware, the City also has no Land Banking Plan. Any demolition plan should also take into consideration the opportunity to further contribute to a land bank and long-term land reuse strategy.

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"It was originally home to a New York Central Railroad engineer, Preston L. King. From a historical standpoint its truly wonderful to imagine Preston toiling over designs late at night in his wonderful bungalow, maybe even developing innovative concepts for the company."

An engineer for a railroad doesn't toil over designs and dream up concepts, he gets up at 3 a.m., puts on dirty overalls, and drives the train (the "engine"). This house was inhabited by a laborer, not some hip urban professional. Jeesh!

More imporantly, I think the bungalow is worth saving. It is conviceable thinking of someone buying it and fixing it up. Not so with the building on the corner of Leroy and Marigold. It's in bad shape and there's nothing noteworthy about it. We need to pick our battles people.

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LOL...thank you for providing the clarification on the job role of railroad engineer. I laughed when I read the article.

I do agree with the author that both Wyoming Ave and the corner store should be saved. If put in the right hands (ie someone with carpentry skills),even the corner store could be put back into good repair. The key is selling these properties for the aforementioned $1, so there is incentive to go in and fix them up.

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Someone might have said this before but If it cost on average 15,000 for a demo, What about giving an incentave to anyone who can show they are financially able and willing to take over the property for $1. Use Instead of 15g, give the new owner 10g under a line of credit with no fee for materials or for work to be done. Maybe make a stipulation that they either have to live there 5 yrs or if any code violations within a certain time the city can take owner ship again. ??

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With the exception of the city providing funds you've described the Homestead Program to a tee. That goes to show how well they promote the program which is part of the issue here.

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The live-in homeowners on Wyoming Ave. might be able to see that...

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Thanks for the informative article and the hard work that went into salvaging the older housing stock. As many of the commenters have pointed out, the lack of strategic plan for demo/and salvaging older homes contributes to a lot of scattered gaps in our urban fabric. Suggestions such as putting up for sales, however, need to be fully explored. The fire department currently puts up a rectangular square on vacant houses to signal to firefighters the potential risks involved with abandoned buildings. This also signals to urban scavengers the building is vacant and a potential source of copper, etc. Proposals have been suggested as to how to relocate houses on blocks with just one standing as infill to other blocks with good bones left, which means building on the current green code plan and start focusing on the more smaller scale rebuild neighborhoods. If the abandoned housing issues are not addressed, it will require even more demolitions. Some of the current abandoned houses are so far gone, it would be a waste to fix them. But there are still a lot of vacant housing that is ideal for one dollar homesteading. But checks and balances have to be there. Other cities have been more aggressive, but whatever the strategy, it needs to fit the context of Buffalo.

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What's interesting is that areas like Buffalo, Cleveland, and other rust belt cities suffer from population loss and general economic decline. Cities such as NYC, Washington, Chicago and Boston suffer from the opposite problem -- too much growth.

One should not be too envious of the high growth cities. They have their own sets of problems, terrible traffic, high housing prices, and so on.

When someone addresses these problems simultaneously, we will have a brilliant solution.

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