Real Estate September 14, 2011 12:05 AM

Construction Watch: Baker's Shoes Gets Some Glass

Construction Watch: Baker’s Shoes Gets Some Glass
The boards are coming down and the windows are going up on the former Baker's Shoes complex. The Pearl Street side of the building is changing dramatically as workers install the massive windows in the long-vacant structure. When completed, the building will have twelve apartments in the upper four floors, with office and retail space planned for the lower levels.
 
Ellicott Development is looking for office or retail tenants for the first through third floors which are 8500 sq. ft., 4600 sq. ft., and 4600 sq. ft. respectively. Tenants will have the option of retaining the wide open floor plan or having their space built-out. The commercial space boasts hardwood flooring, exposed brick walls, large windows, and access to indoor parking just like the upper residential floors.
 

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Another piece of the puzzle, love to see it

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so long overdue. A huge part of the rest of main street's transformation this year. and i always hated seeing the boarded up pearl street facade walking up court toward main

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This section of Pearl st along the convention center has to be one of the ugliest streets in the city, this helps but the convention center is not such an easy fix. I wonder at some point if our leaders and planners actually tried to block off every major street on purpose.

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Agreed, 100%.

But the convention center is there, and is not going anywhere--unfortunately. The county leaders/BNCVB need to soften the Pearl St. side of the bldg. with art installations, ivy....just something other than pre-cast crap.

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How many floors did Bakers Shoes occupy when it was in business? What was on the other floors?

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they occupied the first floor only.

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Recalling an earlier post, it does strike me as interesting that Ellicott, in a way, is bastardizing its own market: on one part of Main St., the developer houses the Parole Office, which many feel is a blight on the area, while, now on another part, they seek to house renters and retail. Makes me think there is no real long-term strategy on their part.

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That block of Main could of been marketed differently to avoid first floor offices such as a parole, drug addiction, housing assistence, mental and more. But instead, the powers that be have no vision and took what ever they could get and this is our result, a bunch of criminals, homeless beggers that sleep on the sidewalk, harrass everyone who walks by, who is simply trying to get to their 'JOB' while the bums are allowed to harrass everyone else. Thank you Ellicott/PALADINO, for turning this block of Main St. into a haven for the regions poorest of the poor all on one block. I'm sure the visitor's to our city just luv to be bothered and look at these people sleeping on the sidewalks, on the benches, and popping out from the sides of doorways and buildings. I'm sure it makes everyone feel so much safer while their on that block. Yeah, makes me want to move in right next to all that.

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And, to my point, doesn't it make you want to just rent or set up shop right smack dab in the middle of it all??

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mmm...Carl is getting a lot of exposure on his Baker shoe build out. Where are all the stories on Graystone and Fremont? I guess free range tree growing does not count.

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Here you go. This was in the Buffalo News the other day:

http://www.buffalonews.com/city/communities/buffalo/article547718.ece

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Of course he trying to make headlines, look at all the other development happening downtown (that he was trying to stop progress on). Statler, Lafayette just two of the biggest.

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Is that the same Statler that is owned by Mark Croce...who said a while back he was going to build a hotel in the former Curtis Building? The same Mark Croce who demolished the Continental to make room for...eeek...a parking lot?

Or is Mark the guy who purchased a building that was about the same price as the burbs...put in a tiny bit of money of his own and is looking for $5M in public funds? Is that the same guy?

Your bias would be humorous if it was not backed by ignorance.

90% of the people in Buffalo do not like Carl...that is fine. But the reality is...he and Ellicott have been 'rebuilding' Buffalo longer than most and was doing it before it was popular.

People want to complain that they do not like some of his projects but the reality is...if he did not exist...MOST of his completed work would have never been done. It's not like there is a line out the door of developers who want to invest in Buffalo. There sure are a lot of people who want to tell the few how they should do it...but very few with the resources and guts to actually put money on the line.

If you do not like the Parole Officer where it is...open up a shop and offer to pay more in rent. Hell, find another company to pay rent downtown.

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Well, hey, the Courtyard Mall was lookin better before Carl took it over and put up a brick wall and parole and drug addiction offices behind them. That block of Main St. had less beggers, drug dealers, and wack jobs BEFORE Carl did anything on that block. So, what good has he 'REALLY' done for downtown?????

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If you are seriously asking what has Ellicott development done for downtown...you're not worth the keystrokes. I would suggest gaining some perspective on just how emaciated the development environment is for Buffalo and WNY as a whole. Developers like to make money. They have to make money. They do not do projects where they lose money.

This is why Mark Croce is NOT doing anything with the Curtis building and odds are never will in our lifetimes. It is also why Mark needs money for the Statler, because without that $5m, the Statler would have remained empty for a very long time.

If you do not think Croce has the $5M locked up before he purchased the building, or pretty dame close to having it locked up, you are a bit naive as to how things work.

As for the Parole Offices and Drug Addiction centers...just where do you suggest them going? Offer a solution with your critique. Just where should they go? How about your neighborhood? How about on your street?

If you had any perspective, you would know that things like Parole Offices are located in downtown cores and close to the courts. The reason is the same reason why other services are located in downtown cores....they need to be close to public transportation hubs and have access to other government agencies.

So if not the Ellicott structure...just where in Downtown Buffalo do you suggest it going?

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I suggust they go on a SIDE STREET!!! Like along Pearl Street where the foot traffic is LESS and NOT on the first floor. Move these offices inside a buildings upper floors. If Main Street is re-opened to traffic, where will the potential retail go? And why would anyone want to drive up the 'new Main St.' with all these bums who you know are just going to knock on car windows, follow people to their cars, and wait for them to get out to harrass them as they already do in most parking lots downtown.
Carl has a record of poking at these very types of people that houses the services in his own buildings. Carl himself, is a nut case.

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Other tenants do not want these clients in the interiors of the buildings, using the elevators, roaming the halls, etc.

Additionally these services want to make them as accessible as possible, removing all possible barriers, be they physical, cultural, logistical, whatever.

Although I wish they were on a side street, not loitering up our meager downtown, I have never been harassed when passing these storefront facilities, even with many clients outside.

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So the fact that Croce is only getting into the game now is a bad thing? I think it's great we have one more guy in the ring picking up where other's have failed. At least the Curtiss building is properly enclosed from the elements. Can you say that about the Creamery or Greystone?

I for one think that it is a wiser move to tackle the Statler first and worry about the smaller building second as it is in no immediate danger of collapse or otherwise.

And FYI the old Continental lot is not supposed to be a parking lot, it's supposed to be an addition with a lobby and such. Search previous articles on BRO for the rendering.

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No. Croce getting into the game is a good thing. But in regards to "BIG PROJECTS" he abandoned one before he really started...only to pick up another that needs MASSIVE amounts of public money to get only a portion done.

As for the Creamery and Greystone...are you suggesting that people would never say a word about them if they were properly enclosed from the elements? Is that all it takes to get a pass?

Speaking of the Greystone, as it relates to the Curtis... People continue to suggest that Ellicott should transfer the building to someone who will do something with it. Why do people not say the same for the Curtis? The reason is...Croce is not going to give up that structure because someone else could come in and complete the vision...which in turn would create competition to the Statler. So what is going to happen is the Curtis is going to sit vacant until...well...it makes financial sense to Mark to do something with it.

This line of thinking is the same that Termini and Carl uses...hell it is what every developer uses. But depending on the PERSONALITY of the developer, people either choose to bash or look the other way.

As for the Continental, it is a parking lot and until something is started on it...IT IS A PARKING LOT. Would you like to see the plans for the other parking lots in Buffalo. Is that all it takes to get people to not complain about demolishing a building to a parking lot? Show some plans?

I am not trying to be argumentative and simply pointing out that people do not grade developers on the same criteria.

People, like yourself, mention the Creamery or Greystone but give a pass on the Curtis and AM&A's. Why is that?

I love Termini and he has done some outstanding work in Buffalo...but how long has he been sitting on the AM&A's complex? Last I read, while be closed off to the elements the internal structures where in serious trouble. So again, is placing plywood in the windows all that is needed?

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You seem to have a personal vendetta here, dude. Anyway, as stated earlier, AM&A's and Curtiss are not on the same plane as Paladino's Graystone and Creamery which are left open to the elements, rotting and threatening public safety. The former are safely mothballed (much like Our Lady of Lourdes, which took Council intervention to happen).

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No vendetta. Just annoyed that people on BRO pick and choose the set of rules and standards they have for development based on arbitrary things like politics. If anyone has a vendetta, it would be the people who bash on Ellicott using one set of rules but give other developers a pass.

As for your comments on the AM&A's and Curtiss, I know they are not the same right now. My point was, and it is an opinion, is that if the Graystone and Creamery were in the same state as the AM&A's and Curtiss..people would still treat the developers behind them differently.

Also consider that in addition to the current state of the Graystone and Creamery in comparison to the AM&A's and Curtiss buildings, they also additional difference. Two big ones are the construction method (Graystone) and location (Creamery) that should be considered.

I do not agree with the politics of Carl but I do separate those from the portfolio of work. I was simply stating an opinion that others can not do the same.

Lastly, there is always the grass is greener thinking. Just how many people thought once the Statler went on the market..someone was going to jump on it? I was one of the many hopeful FWIW. But it did not sell on the market and needed special considerations to get to where it is today.

Does anyone really think that if Carl sold the Graystone and Creamery for $1 each...they would be redeveloped in the current market and economy?


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Consistent with longgone's point about how criticism is very inconsistent against unpopular public figures -

It is true that a few years ago Paladino wanted to sell the Greystone, and at that time Termini (who considered it, according to past reporting on this blog) and everyone else - everyone - all decided not to buy the priceless Greystone and get it out of Paladino's ownership? So anybody could have bought the treasure and mothballed it if they wanted to then, right? Termini's almost-purchase was well known, so everyone knew it was for sale, no?

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Longone >"If anyone has a vendetta, it would be the people who bash on Ellicott using one set of rules but give other developers a pass."

The same could be said for those making a big deal of Croce using a public investment in the Statler while downplaying the government's prominent role in other development. Pot... meet Mr. Kettle.

I agree that Carl P has done a lot of good for the city which is often overshadowed by his antics and misdeeds. As a preservation advocate, I appreciate what he has done with Ellicott Square, Berger, Lafayette Hospital, and on and on.

I disagree that his bad rep on this site is the product of people's political biases. He has earned the criticism he gets by allowing a large amount of properties throughout the city to rot.

When Croce (or other popular developer) builds a massive portfolio of rotting properties that he is sitting on for speculative purposes, and people still give him a pass, I'll agree that they are being unfair to Carl.

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It is actually a very cogent point and merits discussion. Carl has a larger than life personality that certainly makes him a target, but longgone's point is completely valid. Put the developers overall portfolios together and compare completion ratios. ED certainly is not anywhere near the bottom and many other developers who get hailed and white knights have inferior completion ratios. Look at the body of work or lack of work and matrix it, very revealing.

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I think it would go a long way in terms of public goodwill if the Greystone and Creamery buildings were properly mothballed. People might still gripe about how Paladino is "hoarding" them and not letting other developers actually renovate them, but I think people would generally accept that as long as the buildings are secured and maintained, he can do whatever he likes with them.

And BTW, Termini does not own the AM&A's building.

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That's kind of my point too. I can't blame Paladino for not developing either building right now but for pete's sake replace the roof! I would stop complaining if he at least did that to ensure future use. It seems like he only does enough work to keep the housing court at bay and to delay fines. I'd like to seem some tangible results, otherwise he has no room to criticize other developers.

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The fact that there are massive holes and no windows in both the Creamery and Greystone is the difference, a huge difference. I know Paladino has done some great projects but what good is it if for every one we gain we lose two?

As for Croce putting Curtiss on hold to complete one project at a time, that's fine. A big part of the reason Issa Failed with the Statler is because he was a scatter brain and could not complete any one project before starting another. If Croce wants to get some positive cash flow from one building to put into the next that seems like a reasonable plan to me.

The Curtiss And AM&A's are not going anywhere, however I bet the Creamery will collapse beyond repair if it goes roofless for one more winter. That's my beef with Paladino.

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The Pearl street side of this property is unfortunately quite the dead space. It is obvious that too many buildings on this block only face man or, Franklin in Convention Center's case.

If a business is going to survive here, it needs to have access at both doorways. There cannot be separate businesses on both streets.

As for the Convention Center, there really should be a contest for what to do with the backside. I think it would be cool to have a roof top park on the Convention Center anyway. The views would be stunning. The backside could have an overflow of ivy connecting the street to the roof top park. The backside could also feature a mural, or other artwork.

The road definitely needs to have its sidewalks expanded. Parklets would do the trick in the interm.

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I like the idea of making the roof accessible. It's flat, huge, and smack dab in the center of the city...that would make for a cool roof top garden. I know they do a garden show at the convention center every year, what about incorporating a rooftop garden with it?

Pretty much any event could be linked to a rooftop patio. Being outside (when the weather is nice and accomodating) would add a cool element to conventions and shows.

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So, they're looking for tenants for the first 3 floors because of the pullout of Bryant & Stratton--? See news article today:
http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/business/bryant-and-stratton-halts-downtown-expansion

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My money is on Paladino signing a 30 year lease with Erie County to house a holding center annex...

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Agreed, and he puts a low income SRO in the Greystone. It's all money for that guy-not a team player.

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