Real Estate September 13, 2011 9:00 AM

Construction Watch: 701 Seneca Street

Construction Watch: 701 Seneca Street

Phase one of the Larkin Center of Commerce is well underway at the monolithic 701 Seneca Street building in the Larkin District. Interior improvements and large scale exterior improvements by Jim Cornell, Peter Krog, and Gordon Reger have pushed the $6 million project forward. Preservation Studios completed the Part one of the Historic Preservation Certification Application (Evaluation of Significance) potentially allowing the project to utilize historic tax credits. The entrance lobby has been completely remodeled, creating a larger and more welcoming space. A comfortable seating area, new floors, refinished walls, and a new front desk have been completed over the last year as the project advances.

The most noticeable change on the exterior of the building has been the resurfacing and painting of portions of the Seneca street facade. In stark contrast to the existing surface, bright white paint has begun to take over as the building gets revived for a new life. Currently the complex is home to almost one hundred businesses and private service providers and boasts thirty acres of space under one roof.

The 1.3 million sq.ft. complex is a series of 10 contiguous buildings, the largest of the Larkin Company structures.  It was completed in 1906 by the Larkin Company to provide manufacturing, retail and administrative support services for the firm.

Now open to a wide range of tenants including office, retail and light manufacturers, the property offers 24-hour access, ample parking, breakfast and lunch served daily at the Larkin Cafe, and large floor plates offereing up to 175,000 square feet on one level. Many businesses desire large, single floor plans and look to the sprawling suburbs to fulfill their needs in the form of corporate office parks. The Larkin Center of Commerce offers similar, if not bigger, floor plates, but also a three minute drive to downtown, a six minute drive to the Peace Bridge, all in the neighborhood of one of the city's quickest developing business districts.

Get Connected: Larkin Center Management, 716-856-0810

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It looked Bright White which would bring to mind the many white terra cotta buildings but this looks like they are painting it light grey which makes me wonder what they were thinking. Im hoping its the lighting ... and not the paint color.

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It looks bright white to me. I like it.

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I actually like the white better than the color in the renderings, which did look grey. It would be great to see some great artwork on the outside of the building to give it a little spice.

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It would be nice to see some sort of awnings or something to distinguish the different entrances/businesses. Those may be in the planning and I just haven't seen any renderings. Great to see that this beheamoth is being reused and refurbished, the interior looks awesome, still not too impressed with the outside so far. Will judge the finished product when complete.

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Why couldn't they uncover the original brick? As soon as they finish the patch job, it'll just start flaking off somewhere else.

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From the previous article:

701 will be restored to the appearance it was in the 1950s/1960s with a full stucco façade. The main reason for this is due to the associated costs of the stucco removal and the resulting damage to the bricks beneath. When the stucco is removed it leaves multiple two inch holes in the brick and would damage the brick to the point of not being restorable.

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Thanks, but I still think they're just postponing the day when someone else has to do it right.

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With this many people working in this neighborhood now it is time for some townhouses to fill in the gaps and for a Metro extension from downtown.

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Never gonna happen.

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The chasm of poverty and negelect cannot be bridged by town houses. Maybe Chef's can subsidize them?

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I will take that bet

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I'd bet you there is a 0% percent chance of light rail expansion ever running to this area in your life time. Just let me know what you would like to bet.

replied to STEEL
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Let's get you designing them, Steel!

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I could imagine BurchJP mocking these developers when they proposed renovation of the Larkin building. That is the way people used to think in Buffalo. Thankfully the haters are not able to stop the forward thinkers who are pulling Buffalo out of its deep rut.

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Agreed. So interesting that many people's reactions in Buffalo are initially "no..can't happen here". Glad fewer and fewer people are listening to those people.

Fact is, the Larkin Group et al have a very comprehensive plan for this area, of which upscale housing could (and is) absolutely a part.

Now, if we can stop all the vinyl sided new builds........

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One thing though, I have heard nothing about a metro extension to this area. It is such a logical and inexpensive next step. It is a no-brainer but seemingly beyond the comprehension of the local politicals.

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Hummmm I wonder why you have yet to hear anything about it.....? My guess would be because there is no demand for it?

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Your enthusiasm aside, the metro will never be extended in any direction. There is not enough demand for that service. Yeah, yeah...if people would sell their cars and ride bicycles and walk everywhere there would be more demand. But that ain't gonna happen, and the population is shrinking.

The only person who would shell out the $250k that such a townhouse would end up costing would be somebody with full time, long-term, indestructible job security--in that very building. I'm talking a 30-year guaranteed position with a huge salary and a dedicated parking space (or bike rack, if you wish).

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I know and who in their right mind would move their office into this neighborhood. You might as well tell me a top 40 bank will locate their HQ here. LOL. These developers are nuts for investing anything in Buffalo. Its plain insanity.

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Although the light rail system in Buffalo is one, relatively-short line. It has one of the highest riderships per mile of any light rail system in America.

So to say that there is no demand for the service is foolish. Buffalo has a very dependent transit population. We have the fourth highest boardings per mile of any system in the US (out of 34), according to APTA data.

Check it out at Wikipedia too (using a better table) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_rail_systems_in_the_United_States_by_ridership

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The NFTA has initiated a quite expensive study to expand rail service to UB North. It may be years away, or it may not happen but to say NEVER going to happen is incorrect. Ridership between the 3 campuses I imagine would be quite high

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Transpo, I didn't say there was no demand. I said there is not enough demand to undertake the enormous project of expanding an underground rail system. If you're talking about light rail on the street level, maybe. But it's still a tall order.

Steel, your sarcasm is lost on me. You responded to everything EXCEPT the point I was trying to make, which is that it is not likely that anybody would live in this neighborhood and pay dearly for the privilege without a powerful incentive. Why is it so hard for you to accept that most people do not want a really nice beautiful new shiny expensive residence if it's not surrounded by similar structures? Or similar neighbors with similar habits and values? Or a short commute? Or *something* to offset the fact that they're living in a sketchy part of town?

You have ideas that scream idealism and pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking, and you espouse them from hundreds of miles away. When somebody challenges you or suggests that there isn't enough support, enough money, a large enough population, or too little incentive, you respond with sarcasm and a clear misunderstanding of their position.

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"a clear misunderstanding of their position"

Sometimes I wonder if misunderstandings such as the premise of Steel's sarcastic comment or the other person's mention of "no demand" after you'd clearly written "not enough demand" are in fact misunderstandings or deliberately dishonest misrepresentations.

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He also clearly wrote that it would never be expanded in any direction. What studies are you quoting that state taht there is not enough demand to extend it in any direction?

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Well one of the first new rental projects in downtown was in an isolated warehouse surrounded by mostly nothing except fro some nearby projects and some falling down Paladino buildings. The place rented out immediately at then unheard of rents for Buffalo. Your assertion that


.... The only person who would shell out the $250k that such a townhouse would end up costing would be somebody with full time, long-term, indestructible job security--in that very building. I'm talking a 30-year guaranteed position with a huge salary and a dedicated parking space (or bike rack, if you wish)....

is backed up by nothing but you constant desire to see Buffalo fail for some reason.


As for your subway quote, you should not try to change what you wrote when the actual record of what you actually wrote is still in the record. Lest read it:

....the metro will never be extended in any direction. There is not enough demand for that service....

Where does it say anything about underground?

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I want Buffalo to fail, huh?

Is that why I work, invest, pay taxes, participate in activities, spend money, buy property, donate to PUSH, volunteer, and advocate in and for the city? For nearly my entire life?

Or is living in Chicago, bitching on a blog about how not enough people ride bicycles, and spouting nonsensical and unrealistic "goals" for a city you have nothing to do with your definition of "caring?"

You are a tiresome meddler. Most folks here know it. And I think you do, too.

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Totally disagree with you, sorry. I, for one, really appreciate Steel's opinions and contributions-frankly he does more for Buffalo (advocacy/awareness building) than a lot of residents. Also, I find his views progressive and often on target. What he exposes, however, is how stuck-in-their ways and provincial so many people in Bflo can be.

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So if he cares about Buffalo so much that he posts here continuously about our shortcomings, what's keeping him from living here? He contributes a lot of talk, as if we needed more of that here in Buffalo already. What concrete measures he's taking other than that to make the city better is beyond me. And you Travelrrr, if you think the people are provincial and stuck in their ways, what's keeping you here?

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What shortcommings have I posted?

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>One thing though, I have heard nothing about a metro extension to this area. It is such a logical and inexpensive next step. It is a no-brainer but seemingly beyond the comprehension of the local politicals.
Actually, I'll give you that last one.
However, those incessant intermittent postings about either the "pro sprawl" crowd or the whole business with the Guaranty building a while back come to mind.

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Oooo you got me there. I have no cause to criticize WNY leadership and sprawl has been such a good idea in WNY - especially with a shrinking population.

Not sure what you are talking about with the guaranty builing

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blah, blah blah, sprawl, blah, blah, sprawl, blah, blah, sprawl, blah, blah, sprawl...

And the record goes round and round.

replied to STEEL
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Maybe if you actually read the words I have written about sprawl rather than substituting them for the word "Blah" you might have a different opinion.

Or are you pro sprawl. If so BRO has been waiting for someone to submit a pro sprawl essay. Can we get your take on why sprawl is so good?

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Blah...blah...blah...

I actually don't really care about sprawl. In my world there are far more important issues to deal with than sprawl, unless of course you think all our problems are created because of sprawl, then, god help you. I wonder where our educational system failed us where so much input produces so little output.

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@WORDUP > Be careful, STEEL will delete your posts and block your account if you challenge his way of thinking. He can't really handle the criticism so he puts on this "BRO ADMIN" hat and starts deleting posts that don't align with the group think that he wishes to see.

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This is an untrue statement. BRO bans people who post racist, incendiary, or threatening comments or if you post under multiple names. Your comments will also be deleted if they are consistently off topic. Do you have anything to add to the subject of this thread or not.

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That is not true. I posted under one screen name and challenged your perspective on the city vs suburbs/sprawl. You closed the thread, deleted my comment, and deleted my account.

I am left to believe that the intolerance of your catholic school upbringing may have gotten the best of you. Happy censoring.

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Right something in concrete. Tell me, what is the difference between urban and suburban sprawl? Where does Sprawl start and stop in Buffalo? What would we do without outward expansion. PS I read an article the other day contradicting one of the points you were trying to make about Chicago finding it hard to hire people to work in the Suburbs because the city is so great. And I quote, "The suburbs play a big role, as Chicagoland grew 4% since 2000 while the city itself shrank." I sounds like your urban utopia is shrinking while the surrounding suburbs are expanding.

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*write

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When have I ever defended sprawl in Chicago?? I think it is an abomination anywhere. I don't care if the sprawl is in the city or in the suburbs. It is stupid ugly and wasteful anywhere it is. Chicago has some of the worst sprawl anyplace.

Here check out this story: The headline reads "In Search of Talent Companies Relocating to Downtown Chicago"

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-07-31/business/ct-biz-0731-office-migration-20110731_1_downtown-market-sublease-space-companies

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Off topic *deleted

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PS to touch on a little Suburban Sprawl fact you always like to bring up about infrastructure. I was at a co-workers brothers house for a fantasy draft two tuesdays ago, and his wife's family owns a large redidential development company in Wheatfield. Just so happens one of the guys who works for the company was over for the draft, so I asked him, "hey when you guys build a sub-division who pays for all the roads, plumbing electrical etc?". He told me that the power company runs the lines and taps into the boxes after the holes are dug, and that the developer pay's for all road construction, they also pay a fee to the gas company who installs the lines and meters. I also asked if they ever get a kick back from the town for taxes or anything else. He said "no".

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You guys with this stupid free infrastructure argument crack me up. It just falls out of the sky right. FREE. Maybe that is why there are so many TeaParty types in these subdivisions. They think everything is freeeeeeeeee.

Are you serious about this free argument?

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Uh Steel, I know you will probably have this comment deleted, but anyway. BURCHJP said the developer pays for the infrastructure and those expenses are passed on to the home buyer and local taxpayer. The services aren't free. You can go back to your normal megalomaniacal behavior by censoring comments and deleting users you don't agree with, I'll get out now.

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I don't have people banned. You have been banned several times by BRO because you post under several different screen names pretending to be different people.

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Said "so many" (like you), not "everyone".

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Not fair captain, many people leave Buffalo for various reasons yet still care greatly about the city. My son moved to Denver to clerk for a Federal Judge, an opportunity that is very desirable and very rare. He plans on returning to Buffalo in the future and his experience will likely help to see both the problems and assets of Buffalo in a better light.

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I agree, I remember reading an article in the news which was talking about the estimated loss from each new build the city built in a particular area (I think it was Sycamore Village, but I'm not sure). They said the houses cost 200-250k to build, but they pretty much had to give them away for 80-120k because there was no demand. Then on top of that the city gave them a tax credit reaching as far as 40k to go along with the build.

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just wait until gas is $10. people will be picketing the nfta for rail extensions.

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"just wait until gas is $10. people will be picketing the nfta for rail extensions."

Oh how very apocalyptic of you. The Saudi's have already come out and said that they will do anything they can to keep the price of crude around 70 dollars a barrel. Also, we have no one but ourselves to blame, for the high price of gas. Take gas of the futures market and BAM it would be .85 cents before you could bat an eye.

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When I fist moved to Buffalo I used to drive the 190 into work and think, "man that would be a cool building to a sports plex in", ie roller hockey rinks, rock climbing walls, basketball courts, gym, sky diving tunnel, etc.

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Steel,

I agree on the Metro Rail extension. It's a simple proposition for the NFTA to undertake. The CSX Line that runs across Exchange Street is ONLY used by Amtrak, which the Maple Leaf is the only train to utilize the waterfront track. It is in essence the LAST of our lakefront rail lines, as all the remainder were ripped up to make way for the New York State Thruway.

What I would prpose is utilizing this rail, laying new track and perhaps (as Exchange is a wide street), have the cars traverse straight down the middle of Exchange Street (they used to anyways).

I don't understand why the NFTA doesn't look into an agreement with CSX for this line as it'd be the easiest rail line to form a expansion on. The cost of purchasing a few used diesel locomotives and railcars could prove minimal. Remember the 13 PCC Streetcars they bought in the early 90's only to scrap?

For example, you could have stops close to the Peace Bridge, Squaw Island, Amherst Street/Black Rock, The Tonawandas, specifically Downtown Tonawanda, Downtown North Tonawanda (all those new lofts along the Canal), Niagara Falls....and then if you wanted to make the area viable...you could interconnect with the VIA Rail Station in Niagara Falls, ONT. This in turn would connect with the GO Transit commuter trains (which are just seasonal now), but would open up an easier access to the Golden Horseshoe as a whole.

It's sad Buffalo had a world class transit system in the early 1900's and even the late 1800's, with streetcars, trolleys,commuter trains, high speed trains connecting EVERY suburb to the city core with connections to Toronto.

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WOW! Every day brings more great news!

I'd like to see a dedicated bus line from the metro to Larkin district. This is especially needed now that First Niagara has expanded to be the biggest bank in the area. If we have enough bus riders we could make a case for extending the subway.

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So what about the building next door with the army/navy surplus store? It would seem to me that that is the ugliest building down there currently, and will probably be that much noticeably worse when this building is finished. Who owns it? Are there plans to do anything with it? Is there enough demand for office space to keep the whole process rolling? That building looks like it will need a bundle of cash to fix up.

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The same people own the building next door to 701 Seneca, and yes they have plans for it. It even has a new name: "Larkin Lofts".

http://www.buffalorising.com/2011/02/living-in-the-hydraulics-the-larkin-lofts.html

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Light Rail, there is certainly enough demand along the 1 mile corridor to the Larkin District and the airport corridor has already been studied to be the most financially viable. We could at the very least add 1 station in 20 years.

Yes, I also wish they would have gone back to the old brick but as others have said, awnings, street lights, trees and other embellishments would help a great deal.

I dont know if townhouses are the best direction in this area. There is still a great deal of stigma concerning poverty and crime where apartments with views and secure off street parking would be preferred.

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You can argue all you want about sprawl, and who pays for it (in so many ways we all do).

But you can't argue about all the evidence that says successful metro areas need a dense and vibrant downtown. This is what attracts residents, employers and visitors.

Spreading things out into the hinterlands dimishes the vitality of the entire region.

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