City July 29, 2011 1:10 PM

Going Brick On Norwood

Going Brick On Norwood
It's time to share this update on a house located at 109 Norwood Avenue that John Straubinger first wrote about back in August of 2009 (see post). At that time, the house was about to embark upon a major overhaul that would see the entire structure stripped down to the frame before being built back up with a brick facade, rather than the original wood. This house has been transformed from a troublesome multi-unit eyesore into a signature single on the street. From John's original post:

"Rehabs are an important sign to me of continuing progress in the rebirth of the West Side of Buffalo. I can recall specifically not seeing any rehabs during the 90's. Instead, I saw a lot of "For Sale" signs, so many in fact, that I started wondering whether something deadly was happening on Buffalo's West Side.

"In the mid 90's, it wasn't uncommon to see 5 or 6 "For Sale " signs on both sides of the street on every block of Richmond, Ashland and Norwood and just as many on the cross streets. There is no doubt in my mind that the GardenWalk was a main contributor in ending this very scary situation. Currently, you see one house for sale, maybe every other block, and it sells quickly and for a good price. Rehabs don't happen in declining neighborhoods.

"Rehabs express progress, and they express faith in the future of Buffalo.

"So, let's start with 109 Norwood (rendering at top and photo below). This house is undergoing a complete external and internal overhaul. The finished product will be a single-family and brick."

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Great job redoing the house, but one quick question. I don't understand the little jut-out producing the faux roofline. You see this all the time in suburban homes and new builds, I just don't get it at all. What is the benefit of extending that portion of the house out 18 inches?

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an extra X inches of floor space in the house.

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Maybe the owner liked the way it looked and didn't stop to think, "gee, I wonder if this will piss off those whiners on Buffalo Rising?"

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To clarify/add to my earlier statement. I think it's a definite improvement.

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Who was whining? I was asking a question. It serves no purpose and doesn't make the house more appealing. Those fake roofs and jut outs are hideous and add nothing to the design at all.

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How about for just because it makes it more interesting than without it?

We do it all the time.

As to the other poster that inccrrectly proposed that it added floor area to the house - wrong. They just thickened the wall. If it was originally designed as part of the floorplate, then it would have more floor area. On an existing house, that would be extremely cost prohibitive and structurally complicated.

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He said "You see this all the time in suburban homes and new builds, I just don't get it at all. What is the benefit of extending that portion of the house out 18 inches?"

I took that as meaning "why do they so this on suburban houses". Aside from visual interest, you add space like that to increase square footage. I have a bump out like this on the dining room of my house. It's pretty common, even on older homes.

When your doing a complete re-framing of a portion of the house(as they appeared to have done on the front of this house, look at the before picture again)it's not all that difficult to integrate into the house... especially on the non load bearing walls.

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Do you know what that thing is called? Is it a double gable? I agree that its strange that this little design feature is so wildly popular today. Does anyone know what it is called, where it came from or when it started to become popular? I'm not ragging on it either - just curious.

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Yea, Double gable. I'm no historian, but I think they're a pretty common element in craftsman homes(early 1900's).

for example:
http://www.historichomesofchulavista.com/uploads/4/8/4/6/4846906/1413477.jpeg?234

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thanks coolrobc!

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Interesting choices. Not unattractive, but I would have kept the porch and the bay window.

Glad to see so many houses be rehabbed, in any case. I've been noticing quite a few projects on Lafayette between Richmond and Grant lately, which rather gives lie to the notion that these streets are turning into slums in a hurry.

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We're always going to have negative jerks who only see a glass half empty. Buffalo's track record of blunders and extremely inept politicians certainly lends support to their negative view. However, all the rehabs, the synergy of the GardenWalk, the new small businesses, the energy and enthusiasm now present on Grant St and Amherst St, the new parks and bike paths speaks volumes about a different path for Buffalo. As I said in a comment on BR about the new Buffalo census figures a couple of months ago, there has been more development in Buffalo in the last 10 years than in the last 50 years of the 20th century.

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Off topic from this house, but would I be one of the negative jerks you refer to if I ask what you meant by the following which sounds not even close to accurate?

john.s>"there has been more development in Buffalo in the last 10 years than in the last 50 years of the 20th century"

Is that claim using some very narrow definition of development, or some small part of the city? If you're including downtown, what you wrote would sound ridiculously not true - and really I can't think of how it can be true in any large portion of the city unless I'm totally misreading what you wrote.

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Name for me 10 large scale/impactufull developments in the city from 1960 to 1995?

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burch, are you moving the goal posts in a couple ways?
First, john's comment referred to the 2nd half of the 20th century and you're narrowing that a bit. No big deal, but still.
Second, even if the list of large/impactful development isn't impressive, does that change what I wrote? Are you joining his claim that there was more development in Buffalo from 2001-2010 than there was in 1951-2000? (or even if you want to use 1996 as an end date, then 1947-1996)?

I could list a bunch of things built during those intervals, but should it even be necessary? Just look around. They're all over the place.

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I know you are probably fishing here, but I'll give it a go:

Main Place Tower - 1969
Main Place Mall - 1973
One HSBC Center - 1969
Key Tower - 1990
M&T Plaza - 1966
Library - 1963
Coca Cola Field - 1988
Waterfront Townhouses - 1984
AKAG expansion - 1962
Adam's Mark Hotel - 1980
Hyatt renovation - 1984
Convention Center - 1975 (?)
Metro Rail - 1978
Dulski / Avant building - 1971
Rath Building - 1969
Main Court Building - 1963
City Center Condos - 1993
City Court Building - 1974

to name a few

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I said list "10 large scale/impactful developments", not "name anything built in the past 50 years".

-Main Place Tower - 1969
1

-Main Place Mall - 1973
*does that even still exist?

-One HSBC Center - 1969
2

-Key Tower - 1990
3

-M&T Plaza - 1966
4
........looks like someone started out hot!

-Library - 1963
*neither architerturally significant or (economically) impactfull

-Coca Cola Field - 1988
5

-Waterfront Townhouses - 1984
6

-AKAG expansion - 1962
*you're not getting an expansion, the Knox was originally built in 1903.

-Adam's Mark Hotel - 1980
*this is neither architecturally significant, or impactful (now) and has been supported by millions, if not hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars over the years

-Hyatt renovation - 1984
*Ummmmmm I'll split this one with you 50/50. It was not a new build, and it also been supported by ten's of millions of tax payer dollars".
6 1/2

-Convention Center - 1973 (?)
*EPIC FAIL!!! People have wanted to rip that thing down for the past 20 years.

-Metro Rail - 1978
*EPIC FAIL!!!

-Dulski / Avant building - 1971
*The Dulski might have been built in 71 (whoopi a federal building) but the Avant is what its known for, Avant built 2009
.......looks like someone is running out of ideas?

-Rath Building
*Another government building but I'll give this one to ya, to make up for the Dulski.
7 1/2

-Main Court Building - 1963
8 1/2

-City Centre Condos - 1993
9 1/2

-City Court Building - 1974
10 1/2


......It looks like you gave it a good college try. I asked for 10, and you gave me 10 1/2 well done. But by coming up with only 10 1/2 you kinda proved my point.


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burch>"But by coming up with only 10 1/2 you kinda proved my point."

Your point? What is your point, exactly?

Yes or no, are you agreeing with the claim from John.s which started all this when I said it sounds not even close to true?
Here is is again:
john.s>"there has been more development in Buffalo in the last 10 years than in the last 50 years of the 20th century"

Words mean things.

(btw, HSBC Arena - which you listed - actually completed during 20th century in 1996)

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"btw, HSBC Arena - which you listed - actually completed during 20th century in 1996"

Thats why I put in my lead off "Past 10 years (OR SO)"

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My point is this, the mass influx of development/renovations has easily tripled over the past 10-15 years. There's a resurgence, gentrification, and energy in certain areas of the city that were dormant for decades. This is something you never saw up until the past decade and a half. Couple that with the overall feeling of being in an up and coming city, instead of a dirty city that is going down the tubes (ie Buffalo 1960-19xx), and that right there trumps a tower build, and some condo redevelopment. So I stick by John's assertion that more has happened in the past 10 (ill say 10-15 years) years than over the past 50. Some may be tangible, and some may not be, but progress is progress. No matter if its a building being saved by from demo, thats renovated into five condos, or a large casino being built. I deeply believe in the city (so much that I might be purchasing a multi unit on Linwood and turning it into a single). I feel that the residents of Buffalo are primed to make this city an amazing place to live, a place that others will move to instead of just laugh about. Yes we have some problems (ie Byron Brown, Buffalo Schools) but Buffalo is on its way up in stead of down. Im not sure any of that could have been said from 1950-19xx, so in that right I win! And no list of developments over 50 years, compared to a list over the past 15 will change that fact.

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I forgot one last thing.......suck on that SKYBOX, BRO 0 BURCHJP Still winning!

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@BurchJP - You win for having the lamest response ever in BRO history. You can go back to worshiping Charlie Sheen now.

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.........Past 10 years (or so)

BurchField Penny
HSBC Atrium
Webb Lofts
Avant
HSBC Arena
Pearl St Grill and Brewery
ECMC skilled nursing facility
Larkin Rehabilitation (I know I gave you crap about rehabs, but this one is a cant miss, with economic impact and private investment.)
Roswell Park Expansion
Educational Opportunity Center (on the BNMC), on Ellicott Street
New Era Headquarter relocation
New Court House
Lafayette Hotel
Darwin D Martin House
GrayCliff
AM&A's Warehouse Lofts
Ill even toss the Lafayette Hotel in there because it should be done in 6-9 months.

.....hopefull for the future projects.
Donovan Building
HH Richardson
CanalSide
Outer Harbor Development
Milliard Fillmore Gates Circle
Bethune Lofts
Larkin Lofts
Capital Management's new headquarters
Casino

So that makes 16 completed projects, and 9 more that are in the works (maybe not the casino, but who knows) since 1996. I'd say I did a little better than your 10 1/2. But knowing your commenting history I bet you'll give it another crack, and I hope you do.

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@BURCHJP> "I said list "10 large scale/impactful developments", not "name anything built in the past 50 years"."

As Whatever said, you are moving the goal posts. I offered a brief list of large scale developments and expansions, and you dismiss them based on being an expansion or because you don't agree with how they were funded or how they are used today.

For example, you said the following:

"-AKAG expansion - 1962
*you're not getting an expansion, the Knox was originally built in 1903." Then you offered The Avant, ECMC expansion, Webb Lofts, Pearl Street, Larkin, Roswell Park expansion (started in 1977 by the way), Lafayette, Darwin Martin, Graycliff, and EOC.

Almost all of your examples, besides the HSBC Atrium, New Courthouse, New Era, and the HSBC Arena are renovations that were also funded through Federal and State tax dollars.


"So that makes 16 completed projects, and 9 more that are in the works (maybe not the casino, but who knows) since 1996. I'd say I did a little better than your 10 1/2. But knowing your commenting history I bet you'll give it another crack, and I hope you do."

That is actually 4 new builds and several renovations on your list compared to 10+ new builds and a couple dozen renovations that we could get into if you wanted.

Nice try, my 10 1/2 trumps your 4. (sound familiar?)

Please go back and try again using consistent criteria, or state your criteria up front so you do not waste anymore of my time.


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Bobbycat = 1 BurchJP = 0

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burch, I'm not saying you're overstating anything post-2000.
I'm saying you're (or John's comparison was) understating what happened before.

Quick example I just noticed - you listed the new ECMC nursing home in your post-2000 list. That will be great to have, and so will the new one near BNMC.
But you can't really think none of those were built here from 1950-1999?

Let's see, not long ago there were two of them near Kleinhans/North St, and a few years back one was still by the Peace Bridge, and one is still running near Niagara St downtown (Kaleida controversy ongoing), there was for a long time at least two (or maybe more?) on Delaware Ave, and one near Benett HS (no, wait, there were two). So that's at least eight. I doubt many of those buildings, if any, predated 1950. And those are ones I noticed over the years - there could be others around the city.

Yes, some closed - it's a changing industry and besides, all will come and go eventually. That doesn't mean their development didn't happen. They didn't arrive by magic. So for you to count the new one as if it's something that didn't happen before....

Likewise, other projects in your lists have pre-2000 similar counterparts that had to have been built, rehabbed, or both.
A big portion of the skyline happened 1959-1993 as bobby and I listed, each building a very big dev project, and those were just the huge projects downtown.

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I'll add a few more even though these from bcat are plenty to refute the weird claim from john.s (& from burch?) that more development happened 2001-2010 than from 1951-2000:

bobby>"Main Place Tower - 1969, Main Place Mall - 1973,
One HSBC Center - 1969, Key Tower - 1990, M&T Plaza - 1966, Library - 1963
Coca Cola Field - 1988, Waterfront Townhouses - 1984, AKAG expansion - 1962
Adam's Mark Hotel - 1980, Hyatt renovation - 1984, Convention Center - 1975
Metro Rail - 1978, Dulski / Avant building - 1971, Rath Building - 1969
Main Court Building - 1963, City Center Condos - 1993, City Court Building - 1974"

... here's more:
10 Lafayette Square "Tishman Bldg", 23 floors, 1959
NY State Donovan Building, 1962
Buffalo News 1 News Plaza, 1973
Watergate Apartment Towers at foot of Hertel, 13 floors, 1973
NFTA Headquarters & bus station, 1977
ECC City Campus (former post office - rehabs count, right burch?), 1981
Erie Basin Marina & nearby condos / commercial bldgs, 1980s/90s
Rich Products Corp HQ expansion (as impactful as some in burch's list), 1989
Wegmans on Amherst St, 1997

Also, we shouldn't pretend as burch's list does that Roswell Park expanded only after 2001 and never had any expansions pre-Y2K.

And during the mid-1990s in N Buffalo:
Target-Tops-OfficeMax retail project, & Home Depot on Elmwood
(some hate those because of parking lots, but scale/impact is large)

....now can anybody explain what's being argued about?

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Whatever and burch: If there is a way for me to attach a file to a BR comment box that contains all the development projects in Buffalo from 2000 - 2009, please tell me what it is. Its my preference to post this file online so that everyone can look at it. Barring that, send an e-mail to me at john.straubinger@gmail.com and I'll send you the file. Anyone else who wants a copy of the file, please do the same. Everyone should entitle their e-mail "Project File".

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Honestly, I would submit an article to BRO listing all of the development, and let us all hash it out. It would really be interesting to see all the developments that have been completed in Buffalo over the past 10-15 years.

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John, either my writing was terribly unclear or it's for some other reason that you're missing the point made by me (& bobby).
I'll try a last time to clarify:
What's disputed is the *comparison* you wrote (2001-2010 vs. all 50 years combined before 2000).
So your offer of a list of 2001-2010 development could, at most, describe only one side of your comparison. (True?)

Perhaps your original wording was meant as hyperbole or exaggerated rhetoric not to be taken literally? Its specificity of time ranges looked to be meant as written - and since it followed your labeling of some who've disagreed with your views in the past as negative jerks (your words) - I felt like questioning it.

Yes, there's been much development here post-2000, all tremendously welcome. There was also a lot during the 90s, 80s, 70s, 60s, 50s, .... and so on. I'd say even a claim that the past 10 yrs exceeds the 80s+90s combined would deserve doubt (doubling the rate doesn't happen easily), but the 50 year claim - basically a 500% average dev rate increase continued over 10 years since 00 - sounds way over the top.
(Can you or burch imagine how long a list would be of all construction projects across the whole city from 1950-1999 of similar sizes as those in your list? It would be very, very, very long.)

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Ok, you and bobbycat are correct. I made an emotional statement without giving it thoughtful consideration. Perhaps its because all that development of the 60's and 70's didn't do what it was attempting to do which was to keep the county's center of economic gravity in downtown. I also have lived in Massachusetts for the last 35 years and was very disconnected from Buffalo until 1989. At that time, when I started paying attention to Buffalo again, the hopes that some in the business community had that Buffalo was going to resurrect itself as a banking center went down in flames with the Savings and Loan crisis. In the year preceding this crisis, 5 office buildings had been proposed for Downtown Buffalo as well as an Amherst campus for Empire Bank which was once Western Savings Bank given all the branches of NYC banks that had opened Downtown and, of course, none of them were built. I was aware that the beginnings of Waterfront Village had been built and that there had been development along the Oak-Elm arterial as those streets were refereed to then during the 80's. The only development that I was aware of during the 19990's was a continuation of Waterfront Village and the space capsule like buildings at 77 Broadway and 124 Delaware that Acquest built. What I saw on Delaware Ave was several derelict buildings and several others that were close to that state. The University Club which Palladino rehabbed after 2000 sat boarded up after a fire since 1974. Victor Hugo which was rehabbed into the Mansion on Delaware after 2000 sat as a very obvious derelict building. The building next to Arby's was also vacant until it was restored by the Cosgrove Law firm after 2000. The JM Adam Mansion across the street from this building was also in similar shape until it too was restored after 2000. The same applies to the burned out shell at 599 Delaware next to the Garret Club. Many of the houses in the areas that now participate the GardenWalk were in a perpetual state of "For Sale". I know that the GardenWalk started in the mid 90's but the upgrades in maintenance, the rehabs and the increase in house values on those streets didn't happen until after 2000. It also seems to me that there is a much higher rate of announced projects to completed projects then there was before 2000. There is also a sense of momentum that exists now. As for you being a negative jerk, no you are not a negative jerk but you sure are a contrarian.

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Don't forget the two blue apartment/condo buildings on Delaware across from each other...

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What they doing with the other three sides of the house?

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Vinyl siding.

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Wait, am I getting all these thumbs-down votes because you think that it's NOT vinyl siding going up on the sides? If so, think again.

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Judging by the Tyvek paper on the side, I would guess siding also. Some people fail to grasp as how much building an all brick house costs. Most new build are brick on the front, and siding the rest of the way around.

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Siding.

Doesn't say anything about vinyl.

There are many other perfectly good types of siding that are true to the original without being wood.

Cementitious (like cement) to name just one. It comes in all kinds of shapes and sizes, like clapboard, shiplap and shingle, to name the first that I've use that pop into my head...

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A lot of times for new houses, the sides will be 'bricked' with thin, tile-like bricks. They're clay just like real bricks and the finished wall can't be distinguished from full-size bricks. They even make special pieces that wrap around the corners. However, I don't think they come in as many colors and styles as full-sized bricks, so people reserve them for the sides of the house to save money. Older homes often have a fancier brick on the front facade, so it doesn't end up looking out of place. You also would have trouble incorporating other kinds of masonry with the tile-bricks. This new house in Columbus uses a combination of tile bricks and full-size bricks.

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Any color you can think of you can get. The 1/2", 1", 2" brick veneer manufacturers all pride themselves on the range of colors available. They are BRICKS afterall - just thinner.

For large enough projects, the cuttoff for custom is often dropped because the amounts are so large that the manufacturer has to custom fabricate them no matter if they are the standard or custom colors since the amount in stock is not sufficient to satisfy the particular order anyway.

We do it all the time. Even can get custom colors. I don't even know how many hourst I've spent in the sun/shade/indoors/outdoors trying to decide on brick colors from all that are available.

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Very nice curb appeal!

My compliments to the contractor and owner!

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Seeing rehabs while on the GardenWalk is a great added visual treat for the whole event.

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Is it just me, or are the shutters on the second floor of the bump out bowed out at the middle?

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This is very nicely done and looks quite nice. It also maintains the siting of the original house, so that's great. That peak-in-peak gable is a very popular contemporary design and looks a little place-less. Call me a hater, but I can't help but feel that this contemporary colonial redo pales in comparison to the original colonial revival style of the house, with it's non-standard angles and varied windows. It also looks like the redesign lost the attic as usable space and the house seems shorter without attic windows. Ultimately, it's great to see people moving in and bettering the neighborhood, and this is certainly an enormous improvement. However, I just can't help but feel it falls a little short. Call me a perfectionist.

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No, a realist. It is a suburban slant to a historic aesthetic. It misses, unfortunately (but benefits by being surrounded by other historic homes, so won't look as much like a house in a cul de sac). However, I too think the original facade had much more character. The porch is well done, however.

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Yeah, it looks like they got some really nice columns and they did a great job with the entablature.

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Ok. You're a hater.

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Nope - the new design also has historic precedents for the era of the original home, just not this particular home.

It also looks very nice. I think it's an improvement on the original.

Definitely not an "historic" renovation for THIS particular structure, but nice just the same.

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This belongs in Amherst, not Buffalo.

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Some of you are plain a-holes! This is somebody's home in which they invested 10's of thousands of their hard earned dollars. Cut them some slack if you do not like their finish choices, meaning keep your mouth shut and thank them for choosing this house to invest in and not a house out of the city or state. Maybe everyone here can post pics of your houses and remodeling work and see how you like being judged.

I hope they don't read your comments, I am embarassed for you if they do.

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Don't take it personally, browntooth. If this had been done in the suburbs, they'd be bitching about how there isn't enough investment in the city. You cannot win with the good 'ol delusional pie-in-the-sky BRO crowd.

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You're right. Do we know each other outside of BRO? Only my friends call me browntooth!

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Nice job...I'd like to live there.

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I would simply like it if shutters, even when fake, are sized so that if they could close, they would cover the width and height of the window.

It is such a basic design idea, but usually ignored and a bit absurd looking.

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Then it's a good thing you don't have to live here and suffer through such hardship!

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I hate to be "that guy", but the house was much more appealing in the before shot.

That being said im glad people are putting money back into rehabs in the city.

I would not complain if something similar to this started filling in empty lots on the west side. As far as renovating the architectural value out of century old buffalo housing stock goes however, im not a fan...

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The before picture looks like shit.

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You're not a fan, huh? Good thing this guy didn't need your approval to improve his property!

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Captain do you ever add your own thoughts to a conversation or just try to bash others for having an opinion?

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Isn't there a movement to turn the neighborhoods between Elmwood/Delaware to Richmond into an historic district?

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That would be a travesty, as it would severely limit and hinder any attempts to make exterior changes without permission and a lot of ass-kissing.

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Yes, but it would also improve property values, as it has in Allentown, and prevent any future suburban (re)developments, such as this project, that really has no place in the city. The more that I look at this project, the less I like-the owners took a vernacular germane to Norwood and the West Side, and super-imposed an Amherst taste. They stripped the character out of the house, and I would hate to see more of that in the neighborhood.

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It has nothing to do with Amherst, Clarence, Lancaster etc. Its has to do with new vs old. The way the house looked in the before picture was butt ass ugly! Why would you ever renovate a house to look like the thousands of other blighted houses around Buffalo. You could pick thousands of houses that looked like this one in the before picture, you could only pick a couple that look as good as the renovated one.

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If it were thoughtfully restored, it would no longer look blighted and it would respect the house's original architecture. I like this remodel - it looks much better and it's great to see this kind of investment in the city - but this design can be found everywhere. At least the original design looked 'Buffalo.' What's San Francisco without its Painted Ladies or Boston without its bow-front row houses? I happened to grow up in a suburban new build that has essentially the same design as this house - in Ohio. This is a popular contemporary design that makes use of stock materials and it can be found all over the country. Therefore, it conveys a sense of nowhere-ness. It's not ugly, it just doesn't provide a sense of place or uniqueness. People who criticize this design are merely questioning how future remodels can help to preserve Buffalo's sense of place.

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Upscale Pratt Willert phase one, but looks great. More please. When will builders start offering infill homes????

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While the articles "multi unit eyesore" may be a tiny bit of a stretch this is better than what was there previously. I think it respects the neighborhood wonderfully.

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Being a fan of the west side - I am relieved when someone buys a home in the city and puts forth the time, effort and finances to improve it. We need that to turn around our city.
On a different subject - does anyone know what happened to the proposal to start an indoor farmers market on conneticut street?

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This is great, I used to live on this block, and walked by this rehab project almost every day from the beginning, I'll have to make my way over to check out the finished product.

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Too bad the large leaded glass windows on the sides have been removed and replaced by long blank walls.

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This just doesn't work. I think the person responsible for this should see 30 days in jail or hung in a public forum and their family should pay for it all.

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It's always good to see an old West Side beauty fixed up and lived in. Kudos to the individual who invested their time and money in the property. Thank you for doing so.

That being said, it's nice, but I think it now looks more like it belongs in a subdivision of nice, cookie-cutter, no-maintenance exterior little boxes on a hillside in Amherst or Lancaster.

My opinion, nothing more.

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Here is more information about the Richmond Ashland National Historic District initiative which is gaining steam and to which this property has directly relevance (and, now I do not believe would apply): http://ranhdi.wordpress.com

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The Richmond Ashland National Historic District would not have any say on the exterior of this home or any other home in the district. This is according to the link provided.

The neighborhood would have to be declared a preservation district if the neighbors wanted to control what is acceptable for renovations and rebuilds.

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You could always pass a local ordnance, is that what Aurora has in place? I'm pretty sure its a fairly minor thing at the local level to do.

I have mixed feelings on it, taking away someone right to do whatever they want with there home doesn't sit well. But over all its much better for a community to have the ability to maintain cohesion, and there for protect everyone's investment. Manhattan KS, where K State is had basically no laws on buildings in the city. So it has a couple of really nice 1920s singles, then it will have a butt ugly apartment complex from the 80s in the middle of a residential neighborhood, and then maybe a couple of 1960s houses where some old ones fell away. So big parts feel super disjointed.

That was a bit of a ramble. I like the house.

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I really do not think this is a case of suburban versus urban design – rather contemporary versus traditional. I see very little here that truly applies to the suburbs – perhaps contemporary desing cues found in newer homes (most built in the suburbs), but the house itself engages the street and occupies essentially the same foot print as it did originally. Both the before and after photos have some charming and interesting elements to them. In both cases, there are things that do not “float my boat”; however, as brownteeth stated, this “place” is someone’s home and they have invested a lot of time and money into it. Some of the comments I have read here are quite distressing, essentially equating personal taste to legal and personal repercussions. The family or individual behind this renovation should be commended for choosing the city instead of feeding the ever present and easier option sprawl monster.

The interesting thing is that many of the designs we now celebrate as part of our urban landscape smack of “suburban” design. Look at the beautiful Darwin Martin house. There are numerous elements within that complex that one could easily call “suburban”, yet it is given a pass because of Wright’s place in the pantheon of American architects and its vintage. Look at the Robert T. Coles House and Studio at 321 Humboldt Parkway recently discussed here on BRO. So many of the elements of this home subscribe to the suburban design school, yet there was no onslaught of comments decrying this place as the pioneer at “suburbanification” of the city. Why is this?

If one looks at historic homes that have had the good fortune of living through numerous design trends and eras often do not look anything like they did when first built. As the original or subsequent owners became the home’s steward they may or may not have elected to renovate the home to reflect their personal tastes or the design trends of the day. Some of the unfortunate members of this lot look like the house version of Frankenstein’s monster, but others take on an interesting form (or history) as they evolve.

Although certain regulations should be applied to new builds and renovations within the city, I am very wary of the formation of Boards or regulations similar to the HOA witch’s covens – there is a real suburban boogeyman to fear - similar to one would find on planet cul de sac. The city, like its people, should be an interesting mélange that, like a symphony, plays against and with each other to develop an ever interesting and “engagable” space.

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Whether you like it or not, kudos to putting money back into a city home.

While it may not be the 'historic' norm of most of the homes in the area, it's not unpleasant - just a modern take.

Actually - why can't the city build homes like this when they knock down houses on the east side and put up new houses... this house sits in a traditional city size lot... instead of the 2 lot wide things they build that DO belong in the burbs.

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As someone who lives two doors down from this property, I'd like to point out the problem I have with it, aside from whether it looks as if it "belongs" or not. The problem is that this rehab has been going on FOR TWO YEARS. Months and months go by without any visible activity, and then there appears to be a week or two of frantic scurrying, and then...back to nothing.

It appears the owner had the property landscaped merely to keep the neighbors quiet about the otherwise disheveled appearance of the place. Readers that commented on the "shutters" bowing out are correct- they are indeed bowed.

I feel that as a good neighbor in the City of Good Neighbors, we on the block are dealing with a no-end-in-sight, mostly-incomplete hunk of ugly because the owner improperly budgeted the money or time this project would take (or possibly both.)

Whether you agree with the style of updates chosen is, in a district without official historic designation, irrelevent. Anybody investing in Buffalo should be given a high-five; but they should also understand that cheap(-ish) property does not equal a cheap renovation and should plan accordingly.

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Is there a personal response here from the owner of 119? I can't find one.

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Even that small portico would be better than no porch at all!

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It is good to see investment in the City of Buffalo, but renovations like this detract from the city's deserved reputation as a place of architectural interest, and Buffalo's architectural preeminence is one of its most important assets.

The city's architectural importance does not only depend on its great buildings designed by famous architects. It also depends on its vernacular residential and commercial architecture, which is distinctive.

The style of this house's new facade is of a very specific style that is ubiquitous in present-day suburban development in many metropolitan areas, for better or for worse (that's a separate argument), and I think it's at least worth considering that it may not look good on a Buffalo street.

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Much agreed. This thing is neither fish nor fowl - it has no connection to anything within 200 miles & 200 years of Buffalo. A good restoration & painting of the original house would have been many many times preferable.

replied to Vin
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Waterford Commons, Clarence NY, by Ryan Homes. Look familiar?

http://www.ryanhomes.com/community/new-york/waterford-commons

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Great. So, these folks suburbanize the house, seemingly not finish it....and put it up for sale for $400k+.

Not good neighbors, in my book.....

www.zillow.com/homedetails/109-Norwood-Ave-Buffalo-NY-14222/30188554_zpid/#%7Bscid=hdp-site-map-bubble-address%7D

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