Common Council to Food Trucks: Don't Move!
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Leave a commentSad that we have a city government that continues to be an impediment to development/ new businesses due to either favoritism or the inability to think outside the box.
With incompetence like this...who needs Albany to blame for all our problems.
Let the negative scoring commence for me saying what everyone is already thinking.
Agreed, Jumping. This is a pretty sensical compromise and, if the Council is really having that much difficulty, they can follow the models that have proven successful in many other cities. You are not re-inventing the wheels, guys...no one is asking you to be a pioneer here. And, as for the ETS/Jim's of the world....step up your game and you have nothing to worry about (as many of us said in an earlier thread), but, at the end of the day, we the consumer, want more options.
Keep fighting the good fight. This is something that both you, as an innovative entrepreneur, and the citizens of Buffalo deserve. I'm wondering, would it be possible and practical to join up with your fellow Food Truck owners and contact the owners of a few strategically placed surface lots throughout the city (good only knows there are enough) to get permission to set up shop at certain times in order to take advantage of things like TATS, the various festivals, weekends at the Erie Basin Marina, Bills games, Sabres games, etc?
I live in Washington, DC, and food trucks are now common. IT isn't the wild west, and in fact our restaurant scene is thriving. The bricks and mortars had the same issues initially, but everyone seems to think it works out fine now.
One word, Buffalo. One word.
Austin.
Austin is an overrated city in my opinion, but it has a phenomenal restaurant scene for a city its size. Its food truck scene is also *the* best in the country. There's even vacant lots filled with food trailers -- usually Airstreams -- year 'round.
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Buffalo has four food trailers (Lloyd, Roaming Buffalo, Whole Hog, R&R). Austin has HUNDREDS, and that's not including roach coaches that serve construction sites and the like. Some truck and trailer owners eventually open brick-and-mortar restaurants. Austin's brick-and-mortar restaurant scene, as I said before, is thriving compared to the retro red sauce that flows everywhere in Buffalo. If Buffalo's restaurants feel so threatened by food trailers, maybe it's not the trailers that are the problem.
Food trucks and trailers may be Buffalo's last best chance at getting "everywhere but Buffalo" cuisines into the region.
Most likely a thriving food truck market will make streets more active and thus more attractive which benefits the bricks and mortar places.
I moved from Buffalo to Portland not quite a year ago and was amazed at the food cart scene out here. It just adds so much positive energy & character to the city, not to mention the increased food options. Empty lots are filled with a variety of food carts, which (seemingly) coexist peacefully with each other and with B & M's.
Upon realizing the benefits of the Food Cart Nation, my immediate thought was how well they would do in Buffalo, to which Portland is similar in that both towns take immense pride in their local food, from drunk food to gourmet. I started wishing that I was a culinary professional so I could move back home and capitalize on the untapped market.
Then not too long after I read about the Taco Truck and became excited that my home city was on the verge of adapting a great trend that would attract people downtown and increase the quality of life. Of course I did automatically assume that the government would step in to screw it up, and I'm not sure which is sadder; that I automatically thought that, or that I was correct.
As consumers, my companions and I were hoping for food trucks during Garden Walk this weekend. There are thousands of people out on the street, can't we have services to meet the needs of those tourists? It's a lost opportunity, for the food trucks, and for the city to present a more convenient experience to visitors.
Forcing us to find a b&m restaurant limited the number of gardens we could see. And being from Buffalo, we knew where to find the restarants. It would be more time-consuming for out of towners.
noticed this line in the article:
"Lucchino's comments dripped with irony as ETS recently pleaded guilty in Buffalo City Court to failing to keep adequate tax records"
note to author: this does not meet the irony definition. irony is an implied discrepancy between what is said and what is meant. this behavior is bald hypocrisy and needs to be called out as such.
If you want to see this movement grow, or, if you simply feel these trucks have the right to be mobile, it is important that you make your voice heard.
You can contact council members using the info located here: http://www.ci.buffalo.ny.us/Home/Leadership/CommonCouncil
Doesn't Just Pizza have a mobile food truck that they take to events? If they are not smart enough to hit the streets with it then so be it. Folks need to realize that many employees only get a half hour for lunch so the idea of bringing the mobile lunch room to them is the only option, except for mundane cafeteria food.
Long Live Lloyd and other entrepreneurs!
Okay I've never eaten at a food truck but I'm intrigued. My issue is a design/graphical one. Why is the lettering for Lloyd's such that it's illegible when it's in operation? The windows pop up and you can't read the name of the place. I'm sure there are signs on the other three sides of the truck, but doesn't it look goofy? Sure, I'm being way too picky, but it bothers me. Just a comment.
I'll give them credit for having branding that isn't amateurish. Lloyd could fit into any city with a thriving mobile food scene. Check out the photos I posted of Austin's food trailers, or just do a Google image search. Now, check out R&R: http://www.urbanspoon.com/u/photo_list/1584650?photo_id=453101 .
Let's hope Buffalo's mobile food revolution doesn't bring with it even more Brush Script.
It's not just the city government that's the problem, it's the business owners who want to have a turf war. The idea that brick and mortar restaurants are going to go out of business because of food trucks is objectively ridiculous. They may indeed lose money if people are choosing another business over theirs--but that's the thing about capitalism, guys.
laura>"It's not just the city government that's the problem, it's the business owners who want to have a turf war"
Perhaps, but well more than half the blame - I'd say almost all of it - should go to our Common Council members rather than restaurants who try to influence them
(well, in this case perhaps blame should be only to 8 of the 9 members, since Golombek at least tried to enact a fair set of rules but was outvoted - I didn't see reported if any others agreed with him)
They''ve had plenty of time to decide all this - but waited until late July, and even then their decision wasn't to implement something but to further delay a decision until mid September at earliest. How convenient if August is the Council's paid vacation while it's one of the best months for food vending in Buffalo.
Although it can be annoying when special interests lobby politicians to benefit themselves, it's also very normal including with corporate welfare recipients here, public unions, etc. Now Jim's, ETS, Just Pizza, etc.
But Council members are elected, paid full time salaries with generous benefits, provided full time patronage staffs, etc. Usually they can stay in office for as long as they want without election opponents, or until a higher office is available. They should have been able to write a set of rules for this already and not shift the blame to those who've lobbied them. It's their job to take different views into account and make decisions.
This whole thing is too stupid for words. The times and economy are changing. Talking leaves has to compete with amazon.com. The brick and mortar restaurants are going to have to compete with the mobile food trucks. As we have seen time and time before, every time that Buffalo decides not to move with the times, we get left behind. Lets hope that this doesn't happen.....again.....
I've only tried Lloyd's-which is incredible-but come on, they go to Main & Mohawk, Roswell, & Larkin, what competition? I went to college in Burlington, VT 20 years ago and food trucks were common sights back then. Buffalo politics... there are no words.
The only Brick and mortar businesses that are having trouble with this are the ones that have a lesser quality product than the trucks! I’ve seen one truck get hassled even when it was private on property, so there are laws about that too. The police were there in minutes…called by a local “brick and mortar”. The police allowed them to give the food away and take donations…the people on the street rallied and supported the truck because the food was awesome. The spot assigned by the city to sell from for this truck is a park with bums sleeping on benches and more litter about than a landfill! The truck owner cleaned up the park, picked up the litter and is helping the homeless! Slowly doing a bit of business. How can a food truck survive when the city puts these obstacles in their way?
The chef that called the police…his business…not doing so well. He is arrogant; he over salts, burns things and won’t listen to complaints from real foodies.
‘Nuff said!
I think that the REAL conversation to have is what to do when/if more national chains want to set up in Buffalo (due to the upward trend over the past couple of years)? That is where I wholeheartedly believe that we SHOULD excercise protectionist policies to protect and promote our local establishments.
The only way you can do that is through architectural and siting regulations, to prevent corporate and formula architecture. It's illegal to ban chains just because they're chains; it's considered an obstruction on interstate commerce, among other things.
Besides, Buffalo is usually at the end of the line for chains of all sorts. Consider how long it took Chipotle to get to the region.
What the hell does that have to do with anything? This isn't about chains vs. local. This is about busybody, tax-evading brick-and-mortar shops bitching about the competition, and an inept city government that bows to special interests.
trav>"we SHOULD excercise protectionist policies to protect and promote our local establishments"
Great, the same kind of protectionism that's preventing Broadway-Fillmore residents from having the option of a nearby Aldi's for low cost grocery basics. Yay.
Walmart was smart to locate a new store just slightly across the city border in W Seneca. Not far at all from S Buffalo customers, yet the city govt and protectionists/justice-seekers couldn't even threaten to block them.
But anyhow, as Dan said, I doubt there's risk of much growth of non-local restaurant chains invading here despite our impressively zooming upward trend we're seeing all across the city.
How many are here now other than coffee chains (Dunkin, Tim's, Spot, Starbucks)?
A half dozen or so McD's and Subway, even fewer Wendy's or BK, one Applebees, and a Moe's? No worries.
"How many are here now other than coffee chains (Dunkin, Tim's, Spot, Starbucks)?
A half dozen or so McD's and Subway, even fewer Wendy's or BK, one Applebees, and a Moe's? No worries." Good. I won't (worry).
These trucks don't even have the same food available as ETS, Jims or Just Pizza! How is it that ETS is worried about losing business to a food truck parked down the street for a mere couple hours at a time but not worried about Jim's Steakout permanently situated directly across the street serving nearly identical food?
That's just plain stupid!
I completely agree. They aren't offering the same options and shouldn't compare themselves as such. They cater to different tastes.
If I'm craving a burger from the Sterling, I'm not going to McDonalds. The same applies to Lloyd's, ETS, and Jim's.
One thing nobody has bought up: what about the competition from those that cater the Catholic lawn fetes and fireman's picnics? Just like hipsters in Austin and Portland follow their favorite food truck on Twitter, there's a more blue-collar crowd that visits a different lawn fete or fireman's picnic every week to partake in "da Chiavetta's". Do brick-and-mortar restaurants in the 'burbs fret about the competition from popular caterers? Do they blame a lack of business in the summer months on Our Most Holy Precious Blood of the Martyrs of the Virgin of the Seven Saints of Czestochowa?
Jim's and ETS survive on the business model of simply being open late to sell food to people who can barely stand up let alone care about how the food they are eating tastes. Of course they are threatened but someone being able to walk a block and get a taco that wasn't made with an ice cream scoop of an unidentifiable meat like substance and a stale flour tortilla. The drunk kids packing their restaurants at 3am might not care about the taste but I assure you the people on their lunch break at noon the next day do and the choice of a real taco or a pulled pork sandwich sounds a lot better than a soggy steak hoggie and over salted fries. As for Just Pizza, we are a city with more than enough pizza options, I for one didn't have a hard time throwing their menu in the trash after reading about this last week.
If you're worried that a $3 taco that comes out of the back of a van is going to hurt your business model -- well, then, competition is the least of your worries.
We need a law that prohibits restaurants within 500 feet of another restaurant. That insures less competition for restaurants. Who needs all those choices anyway? ;)
Really, why should people get to choose what they eat, it should be dictated by where you are. When I'm hungry I always just go to the closest place no matter whats served.
I have to ask, how is the permitting set up for Mr. Softy or Pinehill Coffee (when in the city)? Isn't the mobile food truck model the exact same? There must already be rules in place for them, why is this any different?
On that note, if these trucks can become mobile it would be cool if they pumped out some music so we can flag them down when nearby!
I think the rule for Mr. Softy is that they are only allowed to stop when they are flagged down. They are not allowed to park, say on Elmwood, for two hours and operate as a business. While that works just fine for something quick like a ice cream cone it doesn't' work for a mobile kitchen.
Perhaps I'll start a pre-made taco bicycle cart like the ice-cream dude.
lack of mobile food laws pretty much drove the ice cream bicycle away from what I understand.
BOYCOTT Just Pizza, ETS and Jim's SteakOut! I am amazed and shocked to even be reading this. Food trucks should be allowed to be mobile. When Lloyd's started a year ago, I thought it was about time someone in Buffalo started to do this. Leave it to our city's government and envious and possibly corrupt fast food establishments to make things difficult for someone trying to earn a living.
In all seriousness -- I am all for this idea. Can BRO help in assisting this boycott? Write an article calling for it?
> Can BRO help in assisting this boycott? Write an article calling for it?
Are you kidding I'm amazed people are getting upvotes for suggesting that a few locally-owned carryout restaurants in the city limits are anything less than "authentic" and "real". Now, if we find that the owners of those businesses live in 14221 or 14051, much less anyplace in Erie County that isn't a city with a name that starts with the letter "B", watch those pitchforks and torches come out!
Let's boycott every restaurant in town. Eventually we will boycott food in general and really show everyone until we shrivel into degenerate masses unable to sustain life, then we will have won.
There's a big difference between boycotting to drive a place out of business, and boycotting to get the message across to their owners that they are using bad business practices and will return to their usual patronage when they've changed their ways.
In this case, their lobbying to restrict other businesses from fairly operating - just to negligibly increase their own bottom line - is a worthwhile message to get across. I don't think we'd take it so lightly if WalMart was pressuring government to restrict Aldi from opening a location within a mile of their existing locations.
For a city that's looking for more options to shop at, and more jobs to be created, it doesn't help anyone to reduce competition.
Then put pressure on the lawmakers. The businesses are allowed to lobby, just like you are allowed to lobby. I'm pointing out the stupidity of the whole idea of the boycott. There is a process, get involved. If the restaurant owners were smart they would just insert a drug test into the permitting process and thus eliminate any potential drive-by vendors.
Some businesses have undue influence over political decisions in this town. That's half our problem. I don't have an issue with business owners who advocate for themselves and fight fair, but I have a big problem with the ones who throw their weight around to the detriment of the city as a whole. Which happens A LOT.
Laura:
Are you talking about any city particular in America, or just Buffalo? You could post your comment on any blog site in the modern world an it would apply. It is like saying politicians are all corrupt. It sounds like you are hiding and not engaged, and disappointed by the outcome.
The more I see threads like this, the more I wonder if Buffalo's elected officials, and other powers that be, have actually traveled outside of the region. Not including, of course, the usual vacations in Las Vegas, Florida, and Myrtle Beach.
How nearby cities do it:
Akron: city government doesn't want them.
Cleveland: http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/04/cleveland_council_oks_legislat.html - permitted at designated locations, may operate from 6:00 AM to 3:00 AM.
Detroit: http://mobile-cuisine.com/off-the-wire/metro-detroits-rules-against-food-trucks-leave-a-sour-taste/ - banned. "They’re basically not allowed anywhere,” says Chris Gulock, a staff member now drafting a new ordinance for the city’s planning commission."
Pittsburgh: must be 500' from another restaurant, must move every 15 minutes. Only a few trucks operating under those conditions.
Rochester: unknown.
Syracuse: unknown.
Looking at the Rust Belt food truck scene, the current rankings probably are:
1) Cleveland
2) Buffalo
3) Pittsburgh
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999) Detroit
Well, so much for "only in Buffalo". Sounds like Buffalo's proposed rules are much more liberal than any of these cities. Good for us, assuming the rules will be passed at the next council meeting.
Thanks for doing the research that BRO should have done.
Thanks!
I haven't been able to find out much about the rules in Rochester. They have two trucks (Le Petit Poutine, Gourmet Waffler) and a mobile Italian food vendor that serves construction sites, auto body shops and the like.
Syracuse has nothing except the usual special event/street fair vendors.
Ithaca has two carts, but they don't venture beyond the Cornell/Collegetown area.
Albany has quite a few trucks, both of the urban hipster variety (Fluffalicious, Erie Boulevard Egg Truck, Coccadotts, Sweet Temptations, Big Fat Greek Truck) and the more traditional generic trucks and roach coaches, which tend to park near state office buildings during lunch hours.
Hamilton has Cupcake Diner and Gorilla Cheese. (http://www.thestar.com/living/food/article/994775--food-truck-fever) Toronto has nothing, believe it or not. (http://www.thestar.com/living/food/article/857928--red-tape-stalls-gourmet-food-trucks, http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/food-and-wine/trends/trends-features/kimchi-on-wheels-food-truck-trend-gears-up-in-canada/article2060493/)
The most "Austin-like" mobile food scene to Buffalo is probably Columbus, with 20 trucks (http://streeteatscolumbus.com/). They don't seem to have the mobile food parks that are common throughout Austin, though.
So, the new rankings:
1) Columbus (20)
2) Cleveland (11)
3) Albany (5 + lunch trucks/roach coaches)
4) Buffalo (4)
5) Pittsburgh (many generic lunch trucks/roach coaches, a few stationary trucks that got variances, dinged here for regulations)
6) Rochester, Hamilton (2)
7) Syracuse, Akron, Toledo, Erie, Binghamton, Toronto, etc. (0; discouraged or not present)
8) Detroit (0 - outright banned)
Toronto has quite a few trucks.
Toronto has trucks all over, so it makes me question the rest of your numbers.
well done. so much for the popular theory that every city has their s--- together except for us.
Until we start seeing build outs of restaurants along Canal Side I would think that Food Trucks would help with the “lighter faster cheaper” concept. This would bring even more people to the waterfront and get them to stick around longer.
I wonder how that would fit in with the proposed regulations... If the rule is 500 rather than 100 feet, then they wouldn't be able to operate down there because of the snack shack. I wonder if the Harbor Club or the Arena concessions would also count as a restaurant for the purposes of this regulation?
I can't find ther renderings but I thought I saw where they actually showed the food trucks around the old Aud site where the Canal Market is going to be.
If we did it up that way who could bitch? It is far enough away from any places around there and it is new turf. Maybe they should start there.
Actually food trucks have been around for a very long time on the campuses of CMU and University of Pittsburgh.
Sree's Indian was the best! They even encouraged you to bring your own tupperware.
So if a new restaurant started up would they be protested because they would be taking away business? Why don't the brick and morter places get trucks if they are so worried?
Change is not a bad thing.
Please come out and show your support for The WNY Food Truck Association Thursday September 29th at 10am City Hall room 1417. City Council is having a meeting on the legislation for food trucks in Buffalo and its open to the public! Now is the time to tell the city we want food trucks to roam freely!.
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As a food truck owner/operator I thought this bill for regulations was more than fair for both sides. This has taken over a year to create. It's not like we pulled these regulations out of thin air. They were based off of many other cities that have a very healthy relationship between b/m and food trucks. It is because of businesses like the ones mentioned in this article Buffalo is regressing. Such a shame.