Real Estate July 12, 2011 2:00 PM

Aldi Eyes Kmart/Sattler's Site for New Store

Aldi Eyes Kmart/Sattler’s Site for New Store

Aldi is proposing to demolish the vacant Kmart store at 998 Broadway across from the Broadway Market to construct a new store.  The new construction at what may be Buffalo's most famous retail address is raising questions on the impact on the Market where Save-A-Lot, an Aldi-like discount grocer, is the anchor tenant.

The vacant 90,000 sq.ft. Kmart building has been vacant since 2002.  A Sattler's store on the site was torn down in the late-1980s.  A proposal to use the vacant structure as an alternative school and later a church went nowhere.

Buffalo Business First's James Fink has the Aldi details:

kmartbroadway.bmp"I am concerned about whether it will help or hurt the Broadway Market," said Fillmore District Councilman David Franczyk, who is also Buffalo Common Council president. "My first impression is that it could hurt the market."

Franczyk has met with Aldi officials about the project in recent weeks.

Save-A-Lot is the largest rent-payer in the Broadway Market, which itself operates on a razor-thin budget. Besides its historic status, the Broadway Market is the community hub for the economically-challenged Broadway-Fillmore district.

"This is not a suburban strip mall situation where there is enough customer traffic for everyone," Franczyk said. "I don't know if there is enough business to sustain both and if Save-A-Lot closes because of the Aldi store and the (Broadway) market closes because of that, what have we gained? Nothing."

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Any hopes for MIX use building built closer to the street while still having an Alidi's on the first floor and parking in the REAR????? Statlers (the former tenent on this site) was designed like that.
Think about it. This is a 'POOR' section of town where most people don't own a car. Why have it surrounded by a parking lot????? Build it SMART. Mix-use with living and/or office space above and create a MASS that is needed here. So tired of these suburban style projects getting built in this city. We are in a city NOT a suburb.

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Realistically, no. Not until the Buffalo Green Code zoning code update is passed into law next year. Then we will see developers come forward with more urban designs.

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Yeah this is also a section of town that doesn't have nearly the sufficient residential density within a walking distance radius to make the store able to sustain itself without a sizable parking element. Without enough parking, the store won't be built.

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What would you consider sufficient residential density?

According to the 2010 census the population density of the tract to the south of this site is 3011.2 people per square mile, and that of the tracts to the northwest and northeast is 5434.3 and 6937.0 people per square mile, respectively. That's quite low compared to places like Hertel, Elmwood, or Allentown (approximately 15,000 people per square mile), but still denser than the tracts surrounding a pedestrian-oriented business district in the suburbs like Williamsville or North Tonawanda.

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You generally need about 10,000 people per sq. mile minimum to support a neighborhood business district. With a population density nearly half that at best, you have to rely on vehicular traffic to make up the difference and that by and large isn't happening. Even Hertel has quite a few empty storefronts, and it has one of the largest concentrations of a stable and relatively wealthy population in the city. Comparing suburban areas (even "pedestrian friendly" ones) to the East Side is not apples to apples, the demographics are much different and I bet those businesses get quite a bump from vehicular customers.

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"You generally need about 10,000 people per sq. mile minimum"

According to Wiki: NYC has 27k/ sqm; Chicago 11k/sqm; and LA 7k/sqm

Those are the three largest cities and one of them misses your criteria. Are you sure about your 10k figure?

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If you want them to mostly walk, yes, and the neighborhood density is more important than total density. The most economically vibrant sections of Buffalo are also some of the densest, which are about twice the density of the city in general. The discussion on density is throughout Steve Belmont's "Cities in Full" with the first instance of using the 10,000 pop figure on page 9. If you have less than roughly that number, you have to rely more on car traffic from outside the immediate neighborhood to sustain a business district. Far higher and you can support a bewildering amount of shops in a very compact area (parts of NYC). For the Broadway area, you have a multiple whammy of disinvestment, a low and falling population, and no draw outside of the Broadway Market. No-one is going to go to Broadway to do shopping outside of the folks who live there, they can get most anything either closer to home or in a safer location.

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There is no need to demolish the Kmart building. The Aldi would fit at the existing vacant corner with enough parking for both buildings still intact to the side of Aldi and in between them.

If the Aldi spun off further growth the old Kmart would still be there to subdivide cheaper than building new again.

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"I am concerned about whether it will help or hurt the Broadway Market," said Fillmore District Councilman David Franczyk, who is also Buffalo Common Council president. "My first impression is that it could hurt the market."


In all reality, how much damage could Aldi really do to the Broadway Market? Unless its Easter, its empty anyway. The City has very few options for grocery stores as it is -- for those people in this neighborhood, the Amherst St Wegmans is quite a hike and unless you speak fluent Spanish, the Niagara Street Tops is not a viable option.

Why not put another grocery store there, but build it correctly? Place the entrace close to the sidewalk and have the parking in the rear. Require the retailer to landscape and have signage indicative of how the neighborhood used to be. It could be a step in the right direction.

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"The new construction at what may be Buffalo's most famous retail address"

AHHHHHHHHHHHH OMG LOLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!! That just really made my day! I really did need a good laugh, its been a rough day (Doc said to stop drinking so much).

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Perhaps you should take a buffalo history lesson rather than making and obnoxious ass of yourself, though I doubt you realize why you're making an ass of yourself.

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Come on man! If you go up to 1000 Buffalonians on the street and say "what does 998 Broadway mean to you?". How many do you think would say "nothing"????? I would say probably 998 (hehe).

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Again, Buffalo history seems to stop in 1960 in the eyes of so many. The amount of weeping for the Town Casino (and the many other clubs from the era named "[Something] Casino"), Dellwood Ballroom, Sattlers, Deco restaurants, Pat's Hot Dogs and the like are several orders of magnitude above and beyond the nostalgia for WPHD, Club 747, The Continental, The Rooftop Skyroom, and other things the Generation X and Y crowd might still remember.

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> "The new construction at what may be Buffalo's most famous retail address"

If you're older than 65. Watch the tears flow like Glen Falls from any old-timer if you mention the Sattlers jingle to them.

More people from our generation know the phone number to Pizza Pizza in Toronto than the Sattler's address.

Remember, in Buffalo, nostalgia stops around 1960.

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Not true, I saw a guy wearing a Continental t-shirt the other day!

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Pizza Nova jingle is catchier. Got it stuck in my head now cuz of this.

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i still think the kmart should be demolished and a park built on this property.

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That facade says everything you need to know about what is wrong with the way will build today

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Was it a Kmart or an abbatoir? Nothing says "wonderful shopping experience" like a huge blank wall with a canopied door cut into it.

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i certainly agree with those who lament the excess front parking. this is one of those places where, in the immortal words of james kunstler, you can see the curvature of the earth between the street and the store.

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Great location for the public. Pick up some stuff at the broadway market and then walk over to Aldis to get the rest. Win/Win for a section of the city that is in dire need of development.

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When people are saying the market is a wonderful place with fresh baked goods meats and fruits and vegtables. 1st the meat market smells like sh*t it makes me gag and sad. the freshly baked goods are not fresh at all. they are taken from a box and heated and if not sold frozen and sold the next day its crazy how people are at easter.... eating all this food that is old and frozen ....not fresh at all. and the vegtable market umm smells like pure vinegar I know they make horse radish stuff but still what they make it in is dirty and old. The broadway market is only run on easter sales and needs some help and remodeling and new stores. The old ones need to be power washed and remodeled. Make the money to fix whats broken

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Didn't Masiello's bunch give K-mart something like $900,000.00 to build that wreck?

How much does Aldi's get?

Franczyk shouldn't think out loud.

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I admire Aldi for one thing above the rest: their produce is purchased from local and regional farmers whenever possible. In general, they offer fresher and cheaper dairy and produce than most grocery chains, with lower carbon footprints from transportation (and they support regional farming economies).

Of course, that might be offset by the fact that they stock European non-perishables... but it's a start.

I see it as a compliment to what's offered at the Broadway Market (with the exception of Save-A-Lot), and wish there was a way for Aldi to REPLACE S-A-L as the anchor tenant. People can go to Walmart to buy clothes from China, meat from Texas and fruit from California... but the Broadway Market would be a source for locally grown veggies, locally prepared meats, and fresh baked goods. Even the roof has its own growing gardens! Definitely a smart choice for the ecologically, financially and organic minded...

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Where do you get your information for your first paragraph?

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I interviewed for a job with them a couple years ago. I had been impressed with the quality and freshness of the produce and had assumed it was due to fast product turnover. The interviewer corrected me by stating that they try to reduce shipping costs by buying locally. Unlike other stores that keep standard orders to maintain X inventory in stock, they generally buy whatever is available at a low price. For that reason, one week they may have lots of tomatoes, and very few the following week.

The same principle applies to their packaged goods, though those come from national and international suppliers. When they get a good deal on canned soup or toilet paper, they buy a lot and price it to move. When market conditions are not favorable for a product, they may not have ANY in stock for weeks at a time, or adjust the price to reflect availability.

Their sales, prices and availability vary from region to region or even store to store depending on distribution centers. I'm sure other supermarket chains do the same thing, but are less volatile the larger their supply network is. Aldi is still small enough that they can negotiate with local farmers rather than depend on enormous megafarms half a continent away.

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one positive for sure is that you won't find many Aldi grocery carts roaming carelessly throughout the neighborhood..no case quarter accepted bro......I love that store...and if the Broadway Market believes itself to be at least half of what a great market should be..fresh everything, quality products, hard to find foods...a destination..etc.. it shouldn't be worried about a discount grocery store stealing any of its thunder

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Yeah with Save A Lot already pulling the cheap cellulose laced processed food crowd away... I doubt it will have much impact on the market. Maybe it will put save a lot out of business because they keep an absolutely gross store in the Market. Aldi's is a much more reputable and well managed grocer than Save A Lot..

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Check out that MASSIVE Parking lot in front of what is there now. Please don't tell me we can't build over it and put parking in the rear if anything is to be built. And can it please be mixed use????? Again, I'm so sick and tired of seeing 'suburban' crap going up in this city.

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Finally, a plan! I approve!

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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Broadway Market a privately owned business? What business is it of the city to protect a private business from competition of another private business? That seems like a conflict of interest to me. I wonder if Wegmans wanted to move here if the city would object to that? Probably not.

At any rate if Aldi's wants to build here than more power to them, no one else is investing anything that substantial there.

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The broadway market is owned by the city.

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Thanks for the info, I didn't know that. However, it still seems like a conflict of interest. How can the city stop private business from moving in because of feared competition? I don't think that should be considered when reviewing the project. They should worry about building codes, not whether or not a new business might detract from another (that they happen to own). If that were the case then why are two restaurants allowed to operate next to one another? Or any other business for that matter.

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When I worked at Pyramid, this was my listing. I haven't been there for over a year, so this is outdated info, but fwiw:

The greatest amount of interest I had in the old K-Mart was as industrial (which I think is a good use). There were other interests: It was under contract for a while to Darius Pridgen's church for a church and school, but that fell through as noted above. There was some interest from Price Rite, but they wanted to concentrate on their other two stores first (and would have faced the same dilemma regarding the market). Other tire kickers envisioned flea markets and huge night clubs and banquet halls and roller rinks, but mostly the building appealed to more industrial users. A school bus company wanted it for a garage if they won the city contract (they lost the bid). An electronic recycler wanted it for its operation (they never gathered the funding). A very established manufacturer seriously considered relocating from elsewhere in Buffalo (moving to a single story facility as opposed to the multiple story building they've occupied for decades; ultimately they couldn't get buy in from enough of their staff). There were a few others. None of those other uses, outside of food, were opposed by Franczyk. He was very supportive and helpful to all who met with him. I think his concern for the market is well founded. But on balance I think I would still back the Aldi project.

There is plenty of room (almost 7 acres in total, though 2+ acres are the K-Mart building itself) to build an Aldi's out front and reserve the back building for some other use. I think warehouse or manufacturing would work very well there (and would require more moderate parking to boot).

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ALDI pays above market rate wages. ALDI is a very good company too work for. Demoing the old Kmart should not be an issue. The City leaders will end up pushing ALDI's away from wanting to do this project and then again another vacant structure in Buffalo.

The Broadway Market was not intended to be a supermarket. If Save A Lot can not handle the competition, so be it. That's capitalism at it's basic. Besides, does Save A Lot receive any government monies for operating out of the Broadway market? ALDI's construction of there new markets would add a freshness to this area not seen in several years.

However, there are some still out there that believe this neighborhood is the Polonia of old, it is not. It is not a working class neighborhood anymore, rather a poor, desolate area. I am sure the average citizens of the Fillmore District would just care that they have an option of where to shop.

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The proposal that was floating around originally is different than what has been reported in Business First. The proposal was to build in the front parcel over the old Statler footprint on a separate parcel from the K-Mart building. But we will have to wait until the July 19th public meeting to see if the plans changed. It is a positive sign that someone like Aldi's is interested in investing in the B-F neighborhood. It potential good draw more customers to the market. But the city as landlord and operations manager of the market needs to take a serious look at the market and recognize the asset it could be for the city and the region.

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If an Aldi is a threat to the "Famous Broadway Market" -- again, an Aldi -- what does that say about the health of the Broadway Market? The only reason it remains where it is is nostalgia, and maybe for the benefit of the few little old Polish ladies holding out among the growing urban prairie. Move the market downtown, while there's still the chance.

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I say move it to the top of DLW train station. They already own it, right? Or, open a sister market up there. Downtown needs that type of market too.

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Wal-Mart has floated the possibility of venturing into urban areas with smaller stores and merchandise tailored to the customer base.

That site would probably be a good candidate.

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I'm all for an Aldi's there. The Save-A-DUMP that's in the Broadway Market is absolutely DISGUSTING. I went there once and wouldn't return, the floors --- well --- the ENTIRE store was filthy and disgusting.

Aldi keeps their stores clean. They pay above minimum wage to their workers and use local growers when they can.

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I love these gargantuan retail boxes with acres of unneeded parking. Was that lot ever even half full? Zoning codes need to be changed to 'one parking space for every 10 dollars per Sq, ft. in sales'.

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In K-Mart's case, it wasn't just zoning; it was K-Mart themselves.

A few years before they closed the store, I had McDonald's interested in that out-parcel that Aldi plans to build on. They would have paid $60k/yr rent at the time. K-Mart corporate (in Texas) wouldn't hear of it. They refused to consider collecting rent for any portion of the parking lot. They insisted they needed all of it, despite the obvious evidence to the contrary.

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WC - Aldi is not demolishing the K Mart building. But the design of the new Aldi store does nothing to enhance the Broadway Fillmore commercial district. The site plan misses an opportunity to create a great store.
The existing trees along Broadway provide an excellent starting point to build on. The building design is decent. But the siting and orientation is poor.

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The Planning Board asked the designer for Aldi to provide an alternate scheme that would bring the store closer to Broadway.

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I remember the old K mart there always after church CCC we went there and our parent always got us nachos and pizza from the cafe inside. But now it looks bad and needs tlc and i support the new aldi but there could be something way better why would you put 2 discount food stores next to each other? Well a Kmart failed there and so not a department store then what?

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