City June 23, 2011 12:31 AM

Wrecking Buffalo: GLF Elevator

Wrecking Buffalo: GLF Elevator

Demolition work on the GLF Elevator on Ganson Street has stalled.  With no wrecking in at least five weeks, it makes you wonder if there ever was a real threat from the building that would warrant the City's granting of an emergency demolition of the structure. 

The stoppage of demolition work has left some in the preservation community to believe the statements by Ron Chapin of property owner Ontario Specialty Contracting to the Preservation Board and the Common Council, and their lawyer's interpretation of the engineer's report in court, were lies.
 
20110619-L1004485.jpgThe buildings were said to be an imminent danger to employees, but the driveway between the office and the mill never closed, even during active demolition.  Further, the only section of the mill building not yet demolished, the section that supposedly posed "imminent danger" and was at the core of the emergency demolition order, is the one that is closest to the office.

Asks Tim Tielman of the Campaign for Greater Buffalo, "If the Wheeler Elevator was also in imminent danger of collapse, why has the owner punched holes in it, resulting in the cantilevering of the bin tops and part of the work house?  To me, this demonstrates the soundness of the structure and the genius of the design."

Why punch holes in the elevator?  For the same reason the owners of the Marine Hospital on Main Street (now a Sisters' Hospital parking lot), the Squier Mansion on Main Street, and the Riverside Men's shop, all did: attempt to inflict irreversible damage and create "fait accompli" which renders opposition to further demo moot. 

At Riverside Men's, the only section which was immediately demolished was the newest, soundest, Art Moderne section.  City Permit and Inspection Services head Jim Comerford visited the site with the demo contractor on a Friday, and by the subsequent Monday the building was down.

"What bothers me is the impunity with which people can make false statements and get away with it, and the Brown Administration's complicity in all this," says Tielman.

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Are you still chasing this ghost? Let it go already. Do you honestly think there is one huge conspiracy to make Buffalo one large parking lot? What are you really doing by posting another story......nothing but banging your own drum.

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Burch, I agree with you. I mean, seriously -- just let it go. When potential business investors come into the city of Buffalo and look for places to grow their businesses, are old grain elevators that have been left empty to rot the first thing you want them to see?

"And here's where they milled grain, you know -- back when we were relevant. We're just going to leave these standing as long as possible, kind of like a living memorial to those people who can't realize its 2011. What's that? You don't want to invest billions in our city because of these ugly eyesores? You're going to Cleveland or Detroit? OK -- make sure you go see Ivano Toscani on the way out for your overpriced undersized chicken wings. Thanks for visiting our one airport terminal."

Seriously -- knock them down and put something there. A museum. An modern art gallery -- where the building looks, um -- modern? Anything -- just make sure you don't say the words "parking spaces" or you'll upset the skinny jeaned hipsters.

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Did anybody bother asking OSC what was going on, or did you just assume that they were lying? How do we know that they aren't just waiting for for the right moment when they can safely tear down that portion that is right next to their building? Say like when they can keep their employees out of the building when they demolish it? And correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the Marine Hospital still there?

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Then what was the need for an 'emergency demo'?

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Unless they claimed a particular time frame of urgency in applying for an emergency demo, a 5 week pause doesn't at all prove that the basis of their application was 'lies' as claimed.

Them allegedly not closing an office while some of the demo work did already happen sounds like a red herring - it doesn't at all prove there was no ongoing danger of material falling during strong winds for example. There could be many reasons for what order the different aspects of demo happens in.

This article looks like a mud slinging personal attack on the OSC business owners.

pampinform makes a good point that they should have at least been proactively asked for their side of the story before publishing these attacks that call them liars. (And if they were asked and declined comment, that should have been noted already.)

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To tear that b!tch down before anyone could stop them. Even I can see that. Ps I just drove past this a week and a half or two weeks ago and noticed them doing some demo work.

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If half of it is gone, and it's still standing... I doubt there was any real imminent danger when it was all there and it still had a chance to be repaired.

As for WHY they'd stall in the middle of demo... I'd suspect they probably discovered it was built a helluva lot stronger than they expected, and now they need to regroup to figure out how to finish the job.

Either that, or they decided to piss off the people who have been calling it an eyesore by leaving an even /uglier/ scar on the landscape. Maybe they plan to leave it that way until the preservation conference rolls into town...

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What a shame. Tearing these elevators down is a huge mistake. The pictures show what amazing structures they are, and saving them would be a big plus for the city.

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Has anyone made plans to reuse or save the other grain elevators that are standing vacant along the waterfront? There are quite a few that could face a similar fate to what is being done with these. This would be a good time for action for those who are deeply committed to saving the grain elevators that could be demolished in the near future.

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Please tear them all down. These are just a black eye for Buffalo. Trying to rehab them is like putting lipstick on a pig. Can we PLEASE move forward already!

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Really Tim? Once again, barking up a tree that Buffalo long ago forgot...the Grain Elevators. every time I hear Mr. Tielman whine and shed tears for these structures, I have never, EVER heard of a viable, financially responsible solution to their reuse. These hulking buildings have been closed for years and decades, and I'm sorry but cannot see any sensible reuse for these structures.

Perhaps, yes turn one into a boutique hotel which has been done in other cities, but what are you going to do with the others? Your not going to build housing/apartments as these urban revitalists who constantly post on here would say you need to build on Wilson, Lombard, etc. Besides the population drain of the area is going to continue. So what then. We have finally after almost 30 years realized finally that industry will NOT be returning to Buffalo/Niagara in any major force.

What is wrong with tearing these structures down, building more green space on that small industrial island. Perhaps build slips to lure an old industry back to our waterfront...shipbuilding? Something FRESH needs to happen. Plant trees, fauna, bike paths,trails,etc; Keeping a monstrosity such as this dilapidated elevator does not convey a sense of "Buffalo Rising".

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Those pictures look like Detroit. I can't believe people still harp on saving those eyesores and yet have no plans nor the income to come up with a viable reuse for them. If a dying city like Buffalo can't infill the 40,000+ empty homes that need tearing down what on earth good are these? Move on, let them go. Stupid.

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Tear down grain elevators for what? Most are surrounded by acres and acres of open, unused land. There's plenty of waterfront property available for development with no takers (or unwilling owners), so I don't understand why these structures are considered in the way of any progress.

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Of all the elevators, the GLF was/is probably in the worst shape. There are plenty of other elevators which people to pine over and dream of converting to apartments after the GLF is gone.

Besides, did anybody bother to note that the demo order is for the smaller silo and the outbuildings, not the main silos themselves? They will still be there once the demo completes.

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If the GLF was "probably in the worst shape" of all the silos, imagine how sturdy the rest of them are!

At least hopefully this loss will prevent the others threatened by cosmetic issues from being torn down due to exaggerated structural deficiencies.

Saying that there are "plenty left" ignores the fact that there are only a handful left compared to how many existed 50 years ago. And keeping the main silo at the expense of the smaller one is only a few steps away from demolishing the pergola to keep the Darwin Martin house, or renovating the Larkin complex after the Administration Building gets bulldozed.

We can (quite arguably) save a church by moving it to another state. We can't to a damn thing when we simply bulldoze it. Either way, all that's left behind is an empty lot.

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I'm all for preserving the history if Buffalo. I'd be in favor of saving one or two of these sites along the waterfront if they could be secured and made to look like they weren't rotting shells of an industry long gone. What I don't want is tons of vacant, decaying industrial structures littering WNY in the name of preservation or history. There is a lot of beautiful history in Buffalo but not every building can or should be saved.

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We can't keep all of them, but some should be saved. Someone has to provide leadership on this. It isn't coming from city hall. Higgins has done a bunch for the waterfront, but I haven't heard much on the GE's. Pick the ones to keep and the ones that can go and start developing plans for the ones you can keep.

Someone has to step up or it is going to be a crisis like this everytime a company decides to demo one.

I understand that people don't like the way that they look. Tearing them down to build or most likely not build something else is a mistake.

There has to be some type of plan to convert this section of the city into light industrial/mixed use.

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They are eyesores because we don't do anything with them. If we got our act together this could be a huge tourist attraction. I've been on a few Elevator tours and they always attract tons of people, thousands of people are interested in these things even if you might not be.

Check out the Travel Channel Tuesday at 9, if you don't believe me.
http://www.travelchannel.com/TV_Shows/Off_Limits/Episodes_Travel_Guides/Buffalo

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WCP, thanks for posting this article which exactly reflects and confirms my own thinking on this. I was at the Preservation Board when this was discussed, and have had conversations with some of the nearby community folks. I keep hearing these anecdotal horror stories of "metal panels blowing around" -- yet Henry Baxter (the single most credible source of information about the construction and engineering of this strucure) said the panels were tacked on in the 1950's and could simply be removed. Yet, when the waterfront heritage tour went down Ganson Street over the weekend, we couldn't help but notice that the metal panels -- the "reason" for this ZOMG EMERGENCY!!! -- haven't yet been touched.

Seems like a clear pattern over the last year -- and undoubtably further back as well -- of the Pres. Bd. getting undercut (and frankly, totally PWND) by the pro-demolition folks (Ontario Specialty, Paladino, etc.) in collusion with Comerford. It needs to be stopped.

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Great. Now we can't even demolish buildings right anymore.

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If Buffalo was growing then people would come up with plans for the area, but as it is, there is no demand for these brownfields. Who is going to pay to demo them all? If we're looking for green space, why not clean the land around and leave the buildings, secure them and cut paths through them for bike lanes, leave them standing and incorporate into a landscape plan. If you strip them to the silos, they won't go anywhere and could make a very cool urban/green space without the cost of demo.

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Smartest comment yet - or we could make believe that removing them for no reason will cause fairy dust to scatter all over the city and prosperity and suburban Nirvana will descend upon the land. Crime poverty and disinvestment will disappear. Gas prices will return to 1950 levels and anyone will be able to do anything they want anywhere any time - except have a homosexual marriage of course.

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Or, we can leave them standing in hopes that that same magical fairy dust you speak of scatters its way across the waterfront and harbor and makes people realize that they can rehab those buildings and turn them into something. Because, that theory has been working for the past 50 years, right? Leave eyesores standing in order to encourage development?

Turn on Channel 3 on a rainy Sunday -- you ever see Bob Ross paint "happy little trees" on already existing portraits? Or does he have a clean, fresh, brand new canvas to work with?

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Actually renovation of historic buildings has been a major source of development in Buffalo. Have you not noticed this? Many many many of the landmarks we now take for granted were at one time marked for demolition. By your standard those eyesores should have been torn down and the people who spoke up and stopped the demolitions should have kept their moths shut. Demolishing historic heritage is epically shortsighted in Buffalo.

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That same fairy dust will bring back all those who turned-tail and abandoned Buffalo for other cities.

replied to STEEL
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Not to mention that fairy dust will get us to a Superbowl, Stanley Cup and build a bridge to Canada. Funny though -- no one thought of this earlier. I hear you can get the fairy dust at Rite Aid -- its right next to "Magic Bean Stalk Beans."

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Actually you are right. Restored historic neighborhoods and unique historic buildings are highly attractive and can be a major force in attracting new people as well as expat back to the city. One thing that won't do that is parking lots empty sidewalks and vacant lots.

It is too bad so many in buffalo have a hard time seeing past the destruction done to Buffalo's historic heritage by derelict owners. Why you tear-down-everything guys are willing to give slum lords a pass is a big mystery to me.

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I don't give anyone a pass, speak for yourself.

We have the unique neighborhoods and historic buildings, as you pointed out above. So why aren't people coming back yet? Speak for yourself, what will it take to bring someone like you back to Buffalo?

(I fully expect that you will dodge or ignore this question, as you usually do)

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I hear you complaining about preservationists even though they have a very long and impressive track record of helping improve the city. I also hear you defending those who have practiced demolition by neglect at the expense of the city.

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I have also encouraged and supported preservation causes directly and on Buffalo Rising. I support the city, but not by throwing the suburbs under the bus. So what?

So what does that have to do with your decision to remain in Chicago instead of returning to help the cause in Buffalo?

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@STEEL - No response to my question about your return to Buffalo. How typical and so hypocritical.


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Steel, Steel, Steel -- your immature delusions of metropolitan grandeur have once again pointed directly to a flaw in your argument.

"Restored historic neighborhoods and unique historic buildings are highly attractive and can be a major force in attracting new people as well as expat back to the city. One thing that won't do that is parking lots empty sidewalks and vacant lots.

How long have your precious buildings been vacant? Decades. They’ve yet to yield a positive return. What are we going to turn the grain elevators into? LOFTS? Awesome – then they can be really nice, well-kempt abandoned structures, because there’s no one to live in them.

Can you name me five buildings in the last ten years that have been restored to glory, that are now being used by businesses that pay people a living wage at jobs that don't require to get to them by automobile? (Because I know you hate cars and parking lots.)

Seriously -- name 5 -- nonresidential buildings with companies of substance. You start typing, I'll ready the crickets.

replied to STEEL
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Commercial
Larkin Wear House
Larkin U building
Avant Building
Young and Wright architectural - Seneca Street
Babeville (The Church)
The Mansion Hotel
Genesee Gateway (this is actually more like 6 buildings)
Electric Tower
878 Main
591 Delaware
95 Perry
1040 Delaware
Building at Main and Utica
Kamman Building
740 Seneca
620 Main (UC)
678 Main (UC)
496 Main (UC)
St Vincent's (UC)
New Era Cap
Plue Building
Sweetness 7 Building Grant Street

These are a few off the top of my head - there are many more. Not sure why you limited it to just commercial since residential restorations are beneficial as well. Most buildings in the city is reachable without a car. Buildings in the suburbs make that a challenge.

Now how about you. Why don't you give me `10 new builds in that last ten years that needed a building to be demolished and since we are limiting the- no drug stores or dollar stores.

replied to Johnny LoVecchio
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Can you not read? You listed two buildings within what I said. You named buildings, but not one of which "that are now being used by businesses that pay people a living wage at jobs that don't require to get to them by automobile?

You named buildings just to name buildings -- you named residential more than anything! You were able to name 2 -- Electric Tower even though it only has four tenants, and New Era. Wow.

Larkin Wear House - biggest flat parking lot I've ever seen in Buffalo that doesn't have a Wal-Mart attached.
Avant Building -- already existed has the Dulski Federal Building, and is mostly hotel/condo and was hardly "historic"
Babeville (The Church)- a private banquet facility created with government funds and only has workers during events and also has a large parking lot.
The Mansion Hotel -- was already in manageable shape and has less than 10 workers.
Genesee Gateway -- is freaking empty, there's one tenant, not counting Eddie Brady who was there before the redevelopment. How do I know this? I looked out my front window.
Electric Tower - 1
591 Delaware -- Horrible reuse. A mansion on Millionaires Row cut up into offices? Are you serious?
1040 Delaware -- Residential
Building at Main and Utica -- The BK? Family Dollar or Ghetto Supermarket?
All three Main Street Buildings are under construction and can't yield positive benefits yet.
New Era Cap - 2
Sweetness 7 Building Grant Street -- viable business? 4 employees making minimum wage? Awesome example.

So you were able to name 2? Both of which are in neighborhoods where there are already existing businesses, foot traffic and a train.

Don't grasp at straws to make your point Steel -- it makes me look down on you. #fail.

replied to STEEL
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I am finished responding to your troll comments

replied to Johnny LoVecchio
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Johnny, just because STEEL mopped the floor with your ass in that challenge, it totally doesn't make you look any smarter to go crying like a little girl, change the parameters of the question, and then spew random lies and half-truths that STILL make you look like a misinformed idiot.

Did that award you won for journalism happen to come from the Sarah Palin Historical Accuracy Foundation?

replied to Johnny LoVecchio
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I'm sorry, how did he mop the floor with my ass, as you put it? I asked for buildings that house businesses that pay a living wage -- I got 2 empty buildings, 3 under-construction and several residential. I am slightly confused by your assessment.

And no, it was from the New York Press Association.

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Because he responded to the your request for five examples with 23. You didn't like it, then added irrelevant criteria in an attempt to discredit the 23 examples.

Those here who claim some people here shouldn't be labeled "pro vacant lot" ought to read the above exchange and reconsider.

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Apparently, you have trouble reading as well.

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And there are the residential projects too that for some reason I was not supposed to list.

Web Building
AM&As lofts
Warehouse Lofts
Ailling and Cory
University Club Apartments
ArtSpace
Cobblestone Lofts
Sidway
Holling Place
Belesario
Buehl Block
Pierce Building
700 block rehabs by Jacobs
Lofts @ 136
Ellicott Lofts
IS Lofts
Oak School Lofts

There are many more - this is what I could think up in a 30 second span of time off the top of my head

replied to The Kettle
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Thought I would set the record strait with a few of the buildings on my list. All of them are on at least a bus line sometimes multiple bus lines and a train line - so yes a car is not needed to get to them:

Larkin Warehouse- 1000s of jobs including those of one of the Nation's largest banks

Larkin U building - hundreds or white collar jobs

Avant Building - hundreds of white collar jobs, a hotel and some of the highest priced residences in WNY

Young and Wright architectural - Seneca Street - good paying professional design jobs

Babeville (The Church)- an art gallery, record company and a popular performance hall.

The Mansion Hotel - top tier hotel

Genesee Gateway (this is actually more like 6 buildings)-about 100 white collar jobs

Electric Tower - hundreds of white collar jobs

New Era Cap - Corporate headquarters for trendy fashion company - hundreds of white collar jobs

Plue Building - hundreds of insurance jobs

That is double the number requested- the rest that I listed are just piling on. No one has yet responded to my request. Give me 5 NEW buildings over the last 10 years that required demolition to bring them about. And please no dollar stores or drug stores. What kind of jobs did they result in? The fact is that the demo list is not in anyway competitive with the renovation list as far as economic development in Buffalo

replied to STEEL
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There are so many parts of your post that are over embellished and not true what so ever. PS there is a big difference between white collar jobs, and service industry jobs. Plus thousands of jobs have never been created by the Larkin, maybe a couple hundred plus.

replied to STEEL
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Like what part is embellished? Which part? - Why are you guys so afraid of these renovated buildings. It is opbvious that these companies are attracted to the renovated buildings otherwise they would be building new ones. No one is saying that these buildings are creating jobs. Buildings don't create jobs companies do and companies that create jobs are being attracted to unique renovated buildings. Why is that a problem?

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STEEL -- the whole thing is embellished.

You didn't think those up off the top of your head -- thats the list of city living from Buffalo Place. All you did was reorder them.

First off, there are not hundreds of jobs in the Avant -- Damon Morey is the largest employer there, and they have 85 attorneys on staff. Not including "of counsel" which is contract work. And, in order to move into that building, they left their old space vacant. The same goes for Jaeckle Fleischmann -- which will also leave its space vacant when it moves there. If robbing Peter to pay Paul is progress, you're daft.

Secondly, STOP saying the Genesee Gateway has hundreds of jobs. Its empty -- there are no tenants there, with the exception of the 2 ladies who work in the Passport Office. If you want, come over for a beer and we'll walk out my front door and count them, together. If I'm right, the beers on you.

Lastly -- your vote of confidence in Babeville is astonishing. I'll say it again -- a private banquet hall that was built by tax dollars, and has less than 20 employees.

replied to STEEL
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Johnny: get a life. Your arguments are baseless.

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Feel free to elaborate on your incredibly "on base" one sentence...

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How many of these projects were made possible because of subsidies, tax breaks, or investment from philanthropic organizations?

replied to STEEL
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Is that even relevant? Don't most major developments (especially commercial property) qualify for some sort of tax credit or IDA financing? Why single out those that involved rehabilitation over new build?

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@Armchair > I asked a general question about funding for these projects! Lighten up and don't be so defensive.

The tax breaks and corporate subsidies are making redevelopment possible. Without them very little would change in Buffalo.

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I didn't realize questioning seemingly irrelevant comments would be considered an expression of offense. What in particular did I say that gave you that impression?

To your second point, I don't think it's a matter of getting things done in Buffalo as much as the fact that various subsidies and incentives are used to drive numerous sectors of the economy on a national scale. Selecting historic rehabs in Buffalo for a subsidy soapbox stand seems to miss the bigger picture.

I'm glad to see you are warming up to the idea of investing public resources to encourage private investment in historic assets. That's a long way from the sprawl vs Larkin Lofts argument you made not too long ago.

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Sprawl vs. Larkin lot? You are going to have to refresh my memory on that one...

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Actually you are right. Restored historic neighborhoods and unique historic buildings are highly attractive and can be a major force in attracting new people as well as expat back to the city. One thing that won't do that is parking lots empty sidewalks and vacant lots.

It is too bad so many in buffalo have a hard time seeing past the destruction done to Buffalo's historic heritage by derelict owners. Why you tear-down-everything guys are willing to give slum lords a pass is a big mystery to me.

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Who is going to pay to secure them and keep them from falling down on people's heads when they are biking on those bike lanes of yours? Buildings don't stay standing just because people leave them.

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The same people who are going to pay to demolish them, I guess we're stuck at a standstill eh? I enjoy the patronizing tone though. My guess is it's quite a bit more affordable to remove doors and seal openings with CMU than to demo reinforced concrete bunkers.

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Sorry about the tone, but I meant to get across the fact that our old buildings are often very old, and in very poor condition. Bricks fall, concrete crumbles etc. You can't turn these properties into a park and hope nothing happens.

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I agree of course that structures are subject to deterioration, but you can minimize exposure to possible dangers. If there is no metal projecting over the edge of the silos, your only exterior concern is spalling concrete and I wouldn't think that to be a huge exterior issue as water doesn't pool on the structure due to its shape. On the interior, you can CMU where you're putting your pathways and the remainder of the interior of the building is left to its own devices. I'm not claiming I have the answers, but I think it's wrong to be at the full preservation or demo everything extreme when more cost effective solutions may be possible.

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Sorry about the tone, but I meant to get across the fact that our old buildings are often very old, and in very poor condition. Bricks fall, concrete crumbles etc. You can't turn these properties into a park and hope nothing happens.

replied to nick
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tear down the pyramids and the sphinx, after all they are just piles of old bricks, who needs em....? history is just piles of old stuff, who needs it...? tear down the east side, we can add urban sprawl and maybe benderson can put up arizona type strip malls made out of ticky tacky....and paint it up like edward scissor hands land,ala tim burton. who needs developers, just a bunch of tax break leaching money grubbers.....you people need some perspective...

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The mere fact that you just compared crumbling grain elevators and East side relics to one of the Wonders of the World shows exactly the mental capacity of the individuals in which we are dealing with here. Really? Really are you serious?

Congratulations, preservationists -- truestar just set you back about 50 years.

replied to truestar
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Did... did you ACTUALLY just compare a ruined grain elevator to the Sphinx in terms of historical importance? Rest of this story and silly debate aside, that's insane.

replied to truestar
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No, I think the comparison was about how poorly we treat so many of our treasures.

The pyramids and Colosseum were robbed of their stones by people who didn't appreciate their significance (and wanted to save themselves the trouble of quarrying new building materials). The Sphinx has been restored multiple times, between huge periods of neglect. The Parthenon sat neglected and used as a weapons storehouse before an explosion blew it apart. The Eiffel Tower nearly fell to the wrecking ball because it was called an eyesore (and was only saved from destruction when somebody came up with the strange idea of using it as a radio tower).

Now, these grain elevators may not rank on the same level as the examples above. But they do share something in common: they have all survived become they embody the physical identities of the cities and nations where they are located. Perhaps we are quite fortunate in Buffalo to have so MANY structures which define us, but the grain elevators, Erie Canal and our industrial heritage are nonetheless a critical part of our identity.

We wouldn't HAVE City Hall or the Guarantee or the Martin House or even our Olmsted Parks if it weren't for these elevators. Saying that they aren't on the same level is like scoffing at Rochester for preserving their Kodak heritage, or saying that Miami Beach shouldn't have renovated their Deco District because our Central Terminal and City Hall are superior examples.

Just as it was short-sighted for Miami to bulldoze some of their deco hotels, and just as it was opportunistic for the Romans to rob stones from the Colosseum during their dark times, it would be a disservice for Buffalo to demolish a piece of our identity just because we don't have the foresight to respect our past or the courage to plan for the future.

On the world scale, the GLF is not a Sphinx. On the Buffalo scale, the GLF is very much *OUR* Sphinx. They have both been overshadowed by the pyramids and the temples and the Guarantee and the Martin House. But unique histories began in a rock lion and a grain elevator. And even though they have both had their days suffering through neglect, they are still treasured icons of the people who survived their builders.

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So so so short sighted. I'm glad I took many pictures of those this past weekend before they did this moronic act. If fact, if anyone on this board actually went down to the river fest park thus past weekend, you would have also noticed how many other people were posing and taking pictures of these buildings.

It's funny how so many people really do enjoy and appreciate these type of buildings, and how few of those people speak up when dumb shit like this happens.

Makes me sad.

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Nick's preservation idea makes the most sense. Secure them, clean them up, and feature them as part of the overall attraction of the waterfront. This should be a given at least for the elevators the city owns.

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As a member of the smaller, cheaper, quicker [sensible and creative] club, I'm casting my vote for Nick's idea.

Nick, don't hold back. Buffalo needs your helpful thoughts.

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I don't know how much anyone should have to worry about most of the rest of the grain elevators for any time in the near future. Most of the rest of them will sit there for years. There's no demand for them or the land surrounding them for the time being, and nobody has the money or even desire to tear them down. They'll sit there, slowly deteriorating(nobody has the money or apparent desire to maintain them either), and maybe someday in the future, someone will think of something that can be feasibly done with them.

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I asked it in my earlier comment, but isn't the Marine Hospital still standing?

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I believe it still is. This site: http://wnyroots.tripod.com/index-hospitals.html has it listed at 2183 Main Street in Buffalo, which is pretty much the South Campus of UB. The building showing on the Google Street view is a bit obscured (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=2183+Main+Street+Buffalo,+NY+&hl=en&ll=42.929099,-78.847257&spn=0,0.011855&sll=42.929922,-78.848379&sspn=0.006295,0.006295&layer=c&cbp=13,126.45,,0,-4.95&cbll=42.930149,-78.848883&z=17&panoid=gaTsUBDrC-A8hBPKy-eGeQ), but it looks much like the original brick one that is pictured in this old timey postcard of the Marine Hospital I found on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Postcard-Buffalo-NY-US-Marine-Hospital-view-1910s-/370456345922.

I don't have any other info, but there's something to start with.

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Thanks to DeanerPPX for so eloquently stating the obvious regarding the importance of the grain elevators in the history of the city of Buffalo. I do feel these structures, which will be here for many years to come are, all though not on the same scale, just as important as the pyramids. Sorry, with a clenched jaw goes out to all you short sighted fans of ticky tacky America that can't see past the end of your stuck up noses, and there seems to be PLENTY here. The negative nincompoops that always chime in with alot of ill tempered hot air and take an interesting subject and drive it into the earth. Take the time and read "A Concrete Atlantis" to learn about the impact the grain elevators had on modern architecture. Have a beer and loosen up those tight bowels!

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Maybe I'm reading your tone wrong, but you sound pretty stuck up there yourself, Truestar.

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how can a municipality or a board tell a property owner what to do with something they own!!!so in other words i cant scrap an antique pierce arrow car !!!if a property owner doesnt have any liens on it and has the money [and in this case the equipment and knowhow]to tear this crap down,why is there even a article about it?THEY OWN IT AND SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH IT!!!!IM SURE IF THEY COULD PROFIT SOMEHOW WITH REUSE THEY WOULD YOU MORONS !!!

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For those of us who are here to engage in friendly dialogue and debate, I respectfully ask that you enroll in a second grade English class and high school keyboarding, so that you might be able to learn the proper use of the exclamation point as well as how to type appropriately. Please and thanks.

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It is our Heritage:Respect it, care for it, use it! One has to remember unlike other cities, nothing good ever happens fast in Buffalo. Grain elevators around the world have been and continue to be, redesigned into alternative uses; hotels, museums, student housing, restaurants, condos etc. One only has to go to nearby Akron Ohio to experience the Crowne Plaza Hotel born out of the old Quaker Oats elevator, now a center piece attraction for the City of Akron. There are many more examples from the Milling Museum in Minneapolis, to condos in Baltimore, Student housing in Norway and several examples in Australia with more being planned there, and here in the U.S. also.
The infrastructure in the inner harbor area is just recently starting to take shape with the new Fuhrmann Blvd, the Canalside Project and soon the missing link, Ohio Street. When the proper infrastructure is down, projects such as those above begin to show a little more appeal to prospective developers. When you have structures as important to local and world history as the elevators, a lot of patience and education is needed for the structures to survive an onslaught of misunderstanding and neglect. Designed by engineers these elevators, including the Wheeler, continue to stand strong.
The Wheeler, the most significant and historic of the Concrete elevators, is not coming down anytime soon, and is still useable, even after being "sucker-punched" by it's owner. There was never any imminent danger, and still isn't. Waterfront issues will not be solved by the wrecking ball on innocent buildings, but using it to restructure City Hall government would serve a better purpose. That is where the real problems are.
Buffalo was the birthplace of the grain elevator, the largest grain handling and flour milling port in the world for most of it's history. The greatest grain flow in the world was down the Great Lakes through Buffalo's grain elevators to the east coast for export. Buffalo's elevators have literally fed the world. But we treat them with the adage, "yeah, but what have you done for us lately?" There are elevators still operating in Buffalo, and another recently reopened for grain storage.
Respect for ones heritage is the first step towards the re-growth of this area. History is Buffalo's future. Properly respected and done with care we can combine history with a living environment that is uniquely Buffalo, and a destination attraction for tourists. www.buffaloindustrialheritage.com
www.buffalohistorygazette.com

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Baltimore was able to find a lucrative use for an old grain elevator. Check out these condos:
http://www.silopoint.com/home.html

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Without repeating the same old rhetoric and glazing everyone’s eye over with boredom; the simple and true argument is that a reinforced concrete building, such as these, could probably withstand a Boeing 747 crashing into them and the argument of imminent collapse is load of cobblers - as the British would say.

With that being said, I am equally amazed that this company would endure the cost of demolition; granted, they are a demolition company but still the time and energy must outweigh renovation and adaptive reuse cost.

Plus, no real scrap value

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i was working there the day they started taking it down, there was mechanics working on things in the shop 10 ft away from them taking it down... osc is filled with a bunch of lying ***holes. don't ever work for them you will regret it. and i say tare it down just have you workers leave when you do it.. the office was open the day they where dimensioning it... they lied

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So these guys start tearing parts down, leave it for months and it falls into the River. Guess they were right it was a danger!!!

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Tear 'em all down. If people want grain elevators, let them build new, more modern and useful ones. They more or less look the same anyway.

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