City June 1, 2011 9:43 AM

Construction Watch: Pierce-Arrow Auto Museum

Construction Watch: Pierce-Arrow Auto Museum

Work on a larger Buffalo Transportation Pierce-Arrow Museum in downtown Buffalo is moving along. Steel framing is up and the brick entryway is beginning to take shape at the Michigan Avenue and Seneca Street complex. The project, spearheaded by museum founder James T. Sandoro, is a $6.3 million expansion of the existing building.

The museum celebrates the Pierce-Arrow, the Thomas Flyer and several other Buffalo-manufactured automobiles, as well as locally produced trucks, bicycles, and auto accessories. At one time, the Pierce-Arrow brand was one of the most recognized and respected names in the automobile industry. In business for 38 years, the company produced some of the finest automobiles made, and for over 20 years, Pierce-Arrow supplied cars to the White House for the use of the President.  

Phase one, completed in early 2010, saw the existing museum building get a new masonry façade. Work on Phase two, which began last summer will add a 35,000 square foot addition. A highlight of this expansion is an atrium that will house a Frank Lloyd Wright-designed filling station. 

Pierce Arrow rendering.jpgA timeline has not been set for the third phase which will add an additional 15,000 to 18,000 sq.ft. of space including a movie theater and library. Most of the work is on target to be completed in time for the National Preservation Conference this fall. Lauer-Manguso & Associates is the project's architect. 

Attendance, now at 10,000 visitors per year is expected to grow to over 40,000 by completion of the expansion. 

The existing museum is open Saturdays from noon to 4PM and some Friday's in July and August. Construction may impact museum hours so visitors are advised to call ahead a day or two prior to visiting. 
 
Get Connected: Buffalo Transportation Pierce-Arrow Museum, 716.853.0084; 201 Seneca Street at Michigan
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I suppose its appropriate for a car museum to be set back behind a sea of parking - probably the automobile's most significant urban impact....

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This is awesome and i can't wait to see it done, I've been watching progress but I hope they expand the hours once completed. 1, maybe 2 days a week for a few hours doesn't give much opportunity to visit. I got time a few years ago and wanted to go back but have never had the window open to make it.

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uh....thumbs down. We have incredible Pierce Arrow buildings still standing....why not put something in there? And, what, exactly, did FLW, and his design for a gas station, have to do with Pierce Arrow? And, why in an atrium?

This concept is pretty tacky (though I do hear the cars are impressive). Fauxstologia at its best.

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Wright originally designed the station for the corner of Michigan Avenue and Cherry Street, this might not be the exact spot but if you don't see the connection between cars and a gas station...

It's inside so it can be enjoyed all year round.

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I understand all that-none of it seems particularly authentic, sorry. I am a fan of the real and genuine, not forced and contrived.

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I guess the developer forgot about the golden rule: do whatever Travelrrr wants!

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Liking you better all the time, CP.

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Ahhh, enjoying an indoor gas station all-year round, I'd rather go to AJ's Go-Karts on NFB!

Not to mention the ethics of building a Wright design that was never completed. We will not know how it was intended, how it would have turned out with the layers of changes that happen in design and construction.

And then putting it inside a not-so-great contemporary building! I can't get behind this one.

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The impressive part is that this is a private collection - one man's dedication to preserving Buffalo's mostly ignored automotive history. The pieces he has are beautiful, and there's a lot of turn of the century pieces that are tangentially related to the auto industry as well. It really is one of the city's unspoken prizes.

And Travelrrr? You have really screwed up concepts of artistry. Preserve the grain elevators as an architectural landmark, but a classic Frank Lloyd Wright building being build in almost the original location it was intended for is tacky? That's messed up.

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You seem to have forgotten the logistical issue of Mr. Sandoro not owning the original Pierce Arrow building making it incredibly difficult to put his museum there. But I guess that's a small detail that should be overlooked when criticizing someones private investment.

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The Transportation Museum is pretty cool.

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It's good to see anything happening in this part of town that will attract more people. As it stands now, there's not much going on down in that area, and it could really use more people. 40,000 expected visitors per year works out to about 770 per week. So that's about 100 to 200 per day, depending on how many days per week it will be open after the addition is completed? I guess that's a start.

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The museum is one of Buffalo's hidden jewels. The expansion will allow them to exhibit even more of their incredible inventory. Thanks for the update.

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Agreed. James has an incredible collection, most of it in storage because there isn't room to display it. This is another piece of the cultural tourism puzzle.

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This is great news!

Other than Niagara Falls WNY does not have an attraction that is year round that makes the city a desination for the masses.

Albright-Knox, Burchfield, etc are world class desinations, but unless you are a 'wonk' and want to see a piece by a certain artist you wouldn't come just for this.

It is extremely important to build those pieces of the "cultural tourism puzzle" as you say.

Knox, Burchfield, Arrow, TR, and others put together make a great trip.

I always use the article "36 hours in...." that appears in the travel section of the nytimes. It is a great tool and a great way to think about tourism in the city. How do you fill 36 hours?

Here is the one for Buffalo in 2004 - We HAVE made progress in the past few years!

http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~rapaport/Buffalo/13HOUR-singlepage.html

ps this might not be a bad contest for BR... "Buffalo in 36 hours - what do you do?". BR picks the finalists and we vote on the winner!

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Thank you for the investment in Buffalo, but i have to agree with Travelrr, why not the Pierce Arrow building? closer to the "museum district", and an actual nostalgic place unto itself.

Significant architecture has to have a certain drive by quality, i.e. I have given a thousand arch based tours of this town for family, friends and colleagues and a FLLW designed gas station inside another building, as if a relic, doesn't quite make the grade. At least the mausoleum and boat house are "real" buildings. This might as well be a reception desk for the cars.

All that being said, again thank you for the investment. You have some wicked awesome whipps inside that edifice...

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I prefer we feed the Industrial Heritage Corridor, the History downtown is so rich we need to build on that. Rail, Grain Mill, Lake/River, Weather Museums are just a few that make sense.

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Doesn't it make sense to have it enclosed? I mean if it really is a FLW design than obviously it would be leaking all the time, weather badly, too drafty in the winter and too hot in the summer, cost a fortune to maintain, etc. Why not build upon FLW flaws.

Hopefully Travelrr won't be run over as crosses the street. That would be fitting and funny.

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Right back atcha Samuel-glad to know I command so much of your attention.

replied to Samuel Osgood
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Travelrrr is right. This project is tacky. Even if FLW designed a gas station for the corner of Michigan Avenue and Cherry Street, does it really need to be built now? And why celebrate architecture by stripping it of its function and housing it in a mediocre building. It also seems to me that if there was never a time when Pierce Arrow cars used FLW gas stations in Buffalo then we are getting into fake history territory. Either this is a serious museum about history and education or its just fanboyism.

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Love the idea for the museum, don't like the big parking lot.

Also, this might be a private collection, but the museum is heavily subsidized with State money.

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It's great that this museum is bringing people downtown....but, another renaissance is happening at the Pierce-Arrow Factory Building on Elmwood and Great Arrow. With plenty of parking, this facility is the home to two of Buffalo's best theatre companies, THE ALT and SUBVERSIVE THEATRES as well as numerous artist studios. Within the next few months, more tenants are scheduled to move in this vast and exciting space. It's a shame that this museum wasn't located in this building.

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It sounds like the Pierce Arrow building is in full use right now. How would the museum get it? Boot everybody out? Was it even for sale? Just seems like people are randomly telling the museum moved to a building that isn't even available.

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I know right, Sandoro might not of known Elmwood has a Pierce-Arrow facility!! If he did I bet he never even considered it.

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Sandoro wants as much free money as he can get.

replied to JM
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How much free money has the Arts gotten over the years? They seemed pretty upset over losing Free Money. In fact they acted pretty entitled to it. How is that different? This is a Historical, Architectural and Cultural place. Like Cars or not they have had a large impact on our society and Buffalo in particular.


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300miles, When you say that it sounds like the Pierce Arrow building is in full use right now, what exactly did you hear that makes you think that? (I'm not being sarcastic, but asking because I am genuinely curious.) I was in the Pierce Arrow building fairly recently, and I got the impression that it was far from being full. Is your statement based on something you know, or an impression you had?

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Just my impression from what people are saying here. I've never been inside that building. But I also thought there was an announcement last year to put something new in the complex (can't remember what though)

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As I recall, this is all or mostly TAX money. Please tell us if I'm wrong. Private museums, collecting money from us all, then charging admission? This is good? Or tell us otherwise.

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This area is a sea of parking already..expect ppl to pay to park across the street because it needs to be built to the curb; do you? Be happy its being built in Buffalo and not at the Galleria Mall.

I agree with above..this is another thing to offer tourists and locals alike in WNY. Just one more reason to head downtown. If anything I would like to see attractions like this "sprinkled" all over the downtown area vs. clustered on the waterfront.

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So, we should only expect status quo design, and never expect anything that actually improves the built environment? Once this building isn't new anymore, it'll just be more of the same. It doesn't always cost more to do better design, why is it so offensive that there are people asking for something better? There were probably people saying the same thing of the convention center 40 some years ago.

But yes, i do agree that it adds to the cultural amenities of the region.

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"Something better" according to a few ArmChair Architects.

replied to townline
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So is it your opinion that the best possible design for a building directly adjacent to downtown, in an area that struggles with density and walkability, is to locate the main entrance set way back behind a sea of parking?

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No one walks in this area. And by having this built to the curb wouldn't help.

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i know buffalo can seem like it's frozen in time, but the mentality that because something is the way it is now, it shall forever be, is silly. embrace change.. someday someone might walk here! many people in fact. but i can agree, hard to see that now, but that doesn't mean we don't plan for it in the future...unless you think the city has no future.

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#1 - why wouldn't it help? it could put the main entrance directly on the streetscape.

#2 - if people don't walk around here now, why does it have to always be that way? Can't we assume that a number of the people attending this museum will be visitors. Downtown buffalo has thousands of visitor hotel rooms. Downtown is adjacent to this project. Shouldn't this project be catering to visitors in order to draw? If I'm from out of town, staying in the Hyatt and planning to attend this museum, I would want it to be a comfortable walk there.

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Okay lets get realistic here. Who is going to walk here? You obviously need people to live within walking distance correct? What would define walking distance, one mile, maybe two (two's not happening)? So lets look at where residential is closely located. You have some housing on William St, housing on Seneca, and the Perry Projects. Those make up probably around a thousand people, if that. Now lets look at tourist. The closest hotel is on what.....Main St. So if a tourist walks to walk down to the museum they would have to take the scenic walk across highly trafficked Washington Ellicott Oak and Elm. So after they have navigated these four highly congested streets they are going to walk through the mostly under-inhibited East side. Sounds like a great plan for a tourist. Or they could jump in a car, drive five minutes. Get there, turn around take that car to Delaware Park, then drive to Elmwood, park and walk around. Then drive to the waterfront and check out the harbor. Then back to the hotel for a full day. Then to the question of looking towards the future. Buffalo will never has enough residential in this neighborhood to promote a building built to the curb, its just not happening. I bet if they took a door pole on how many people drive down to the museum. I would bet it would be over 95 percent. And being that it is my day off I am going to sign off of here and drive down there and see if its open. Good afternoon BRO!

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Actually the Train station is very close, with an entrance to the curb in that direction.

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No its not. Also I would like to hear your definition of close?

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next block over isn't close? Exchange Street is the next block over from Seneca. I wouldn't be surprised the type of people that would visit the Transportation Museum would arrive by Amtrak.

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I love how you try to spin Transportation museum, into sounding like some museum that celebrates all types of transportation (nope). The Pierce Arrow celebrates cars and motorcycles, and even a horse drawn carriage or two. Plus I doubt someone coming to a museum featuring cars, and motorcycles would choose to ride a train as their main source of "transportation". Also you are wrong again, the train station is two blocks down and almost three blocks over.

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It's a balence, you provide the parking as necessary, but you build for pedestrians as well. and it is not about a critical mass of residents in the neighborhood. its about promoting the city as a walkable urban environment whether you think it makes sense right at this moment or not...and right now the front door doesn't even have a pedestrian connection to the sidewalk. you have to walk between cars. say the building across the street gets renovated someone wants to open a restaurant.. they would probably like the idea that people are can easily access their business by foot as the museum will likely attract quite a few visitors. and i know it's not an impossible task to walk through the parking lot, but it makes a difference ..its about creating the same convienence for pedestrians as we do for cars as this ultimately will create the healthiest urban environment.

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This area is not, and will never be a walkable urban environment. If you want some place like that move to San Francisco or NYC. I was in NYC 4 summers are to be on a TV show (Hollywood, lol) and felt really enclosed and claustrophobic. I didnt like being surrounded by nothing but building with no open space. It was like a concrete jungle. PS I was just down the the Pierce Arrow and I must say it is simply amazing.......to add another little ditty. The building itself is built to the curb (one side is under construction now) on three of four sides of the building, and 3/4 aint bad odds hombre!

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This is one of the worst replies I've read on here.

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I love it. Despite all the typical "Wah wah it has a parking lot" and "Wah Wah why is it in a new building instead of a run down 18th century pig slaugterhouse" comments, I think the museum provides a modern facility displaying two very important pieces of Buffalo's history.

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I don't think most people have a problem with the fact that it has the parking lot. Its the fact that when you view this property from the street or walk on its sidewalk, the parking lot is going to be the most prominent feature. A far better site plan could have been achieved for this project that would have been no more expensive and just as successful. Instead we end up with something that might as well be in a strip plaza.

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Unless of course it happens to be a car museum in which case the lot serves as a daily exhibit and part of the "outside" museum.

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exhibit space is not the same as a parking lot.

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According to?

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Webster. Go look it up.

Point to me in that rending above exactly which part of the lot they are showing is used as exhibit space. If you can, I'm gonna want my admission money back when I find out that all I'm going to be looking at is my neighbor's Chevy Malibu.

Even if there were outdoor exhibit space, this doesn't mean that the whole stupid parking lot has to be out front.

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I've seen classic cars parked out front, glad they weren't hidden in back.

replied to Samuel Osgood
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Good point, they do use the lot to display cars outside from time to time so it would only make sense to have the lot in front to draw more attention.

replied to Samuel Osgood
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But even though they may display some cars out front, does not mean they should have an entire 150 car lot out front.

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According to?

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for god sakes.

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I don't think god drives so he wouldn't have much say in the decision making process, although maybe he did though, I know he had some provisions drafted in the green code. So did you?

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Karl, for the record God drives a Tahoe and is an avid Harley-Davidson rider. He was not present at any of the Green Code meetings because he obviously lives somewhere east of Transit rd. He also told me he wants a parking lot here because the market said so.

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Sounds like god likes personal choice and guiding principles, i.e ten commandments. I would assume he does not reside in NYS where the pro-government types regulate your every move and then taxes you to abide by them all. I believe that violates one of those commandments.

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oh right, god likes places were everyone has to drive.. that's some personal choice you speak of.

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I thinks her prefers to fly but you would know what's best for everyone.

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"This area is not, and will never be a walkable urban environment."

why are you so confident in this?

and parking lots do not equal open space.


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I didn't know that there was an actual FLW gas station in Cloquet, Minnesota. Built in 1959... http://youtu.be/RwJKmmWSSjo

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