City May 15, 2011 7:47 AM

Cars on Main Street: Who pays the bill?

Cars on Main Street: Who pays the bill?
By Gladys Gifford, Citizens for Regional Transit President:

A major issue that should be heard in the discussion of the Cars on Main Street project is: How much does this cost? and Who pays the bill?

Answer: We do.

A search through the documents that support the project reveals precious little information on actual costs.  The Final Design Report of 2006* discusses projected costs for the whole street, ranging from $53 million to $75 million, estimated in 2008 dollars.  A major portion of the cost could have paid for needed trackbed repairs (area of the street used by the rails).  Additional items needed for efficient operation of the light rail were two cross-overs, at Church Street and south of Scott Street. These cross-overs were determined to be too costly, and the City planners were instructed to drop them from the project, in order to make the project "more fundable."

Consequently, the project offers minimal improvements to the trackbed, which currently is in obvious need of repair.  When vehicles are allowed to travel on the trackbed, deterioration of the concrete supports for the rails will accelerate due to the impacts of motor vehicles, thereby putting greater pressure on the NFTA to do costly repairs sooner than expected.

So who pays for this project?  Taxpayers, naturally.

According to Buffalo Place**, "Funding for this project comes from the 2005 SAFETEA-LU federal transportation authorization bill and includes local matches provided by the City of Buffalo, NFTA and a New York State Transportation Enhancement Program grant."

Buffalo Place thanks Congressman Brian Higgins and Senators Schumer and Gillibrand for securing $6 million (earmarks) for the project, but admits that no funding is on hand for the rest of the project south of Chippewa Street.

Funding sources are identified in the NFTA budget for 2011-2012 as follows: Total cost for the whole project could be over $75 million, broken down as: Federal Highway Administration, $60+ million; NYSDOT, $11+ million; City of Buffalo, $2.5 million; Erie County mortgage tax ("88c"), $1.2 million.  Yearly break-outs are estimated at: $18.4 first year, $49.8 second year, $7.4 third year.

Taxpayers, at every level of government, contribute to this project.

So what do we have, so far?

*Senator Schumer provided nearly $2 million for planning-- money already spent.

*If the Theater Station is eliminated, the City of Buffalo will be obliged to reimburse the Federal Transit Administration in the amount of $300,000 for the current value of the station.***

*The plan calls for vehicles to travel around the train portal and onto the train tracks for a few feet, to dead-end on Chippewa Street.

*The Metro Rail trackbed in downtown Buffalo will not be repaired and refurbished with Federal dollars.  Rather, the current design minimizes trackbed work, while creating significant hurdles for the operations and safety of the transit system.

*Any effort to complete the Cars on Main Street project beyond Chippewa Street faces extreme financial difficulties.  New York State, Erie County and the City of Buffalo have to live within balanced budgets, in tight fiscal times.  The current outcry for reduced spending at the Federal level will reduce funds available through our Congressional representatives.

Who pays for this project? City, county, state and Federal taxpayers, transit riders and vehicle drivers alike.

Public monies are a scarce resource that must be used with respect and wisdom.

Is the Cars on Main Street project a smart investment for taxpayers?

Next: Safety, Reliability, Legal issues

*Final Design Report 2006, section 1.5.6
**www.buffaloplace.com/planning
***NFTA Board of Commissioners minutes, 4-25-11

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These projects(that's what they are)are moving at an incredibly slow pace and at a block a time sequence. The funding sources are all over the map and make no sense when looked at collectively. So what else is new? Since this is on a block-a-project basis, it's perfect to bring out the worst in a group of politicians who are already competing for "the worst" in so many categories. All that said and stated, there are also big economic consequences of not returning traffic to those blocks. The economic re-blossoming of the 700 block of Main because of the return of traffic is Exhibit A. There is already a revival of activity on the 600 and 500 blocks of Main. Former Mayors Mankowski and Griffin aren't around to defend the Pedestrian Mall but there is no one in Buffalo who doesn't think its development is in the top 5 of Buffalo Blunders for the second half of the 20th Century. The mall must go. Any person should be able to drive down Main St to the Eric Canal Harbor without taking Washington St or Pearl St or the Oak-Elm Arterial or the Niagara Thruway part of the way. This kind of situation doesn't perpetuate in other cities and it definitely shouldn't here. The momentum of the progress Buffalo has made in the last 10 years, almost entirely by the hands of private citizens and not our ridiculous political class, doesn't need another political boondoggle.

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The 700 block always had traffic (northbound only).

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Get over yourself Gladys . Apparently you fit into the prototypical spoiler that Buffalo has Had to face in the past. No room for compromise, Just lame talking points, It's either your way or the highway.

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Awesome comment.
Gladys of course the taxpayers pay for the project. ITS A STREET AND PUBLIC TRANSIT
PUBLIC!!! KEY WORD!!!
If you want the money to be spent wisely, then why don't you apply for a position at the NYSDOT?

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Get over yourself Gladys . Apparently you fit into the prototypical spoiler that Buffalo has Had to face in the past. No room for compromise, Just lame talking points, It's either your way or the highway.

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good g_d already; just put the bloody cars back with the trams like they have done already in every city in N.America and Europe. I t has already been effective on the 700 block ( proven) and would be just as or even more effective on the remainder of Main st; as a visitor I was flabbergasted by the emptiness of such a potentially beautiful street,I am tired of reading study after study, and the forever community input and deferments, just do it and it will be even more effective than the 700 block conversion or just wallow forever and keep it the same blotch on a relatively happening city. DO IT and move on already!

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But the plan in place doesn't replicate the 700 block. Cars don't share the road with tracks there. One of the big arguments with the plan is that it has them sharing when clearly there is enough room for what we have on the 700 block.

I think a lot of people wouldn't complain if cars could be on Main Street, but we need to follow something that's most efficient (separate lanes for rail, car, and parking).

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Signature Bridge Already!

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Like every leader in this town, it's MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY, with a pretense of knowing whats right for the citizens. Citizens without insight to think for themselves!(sarcasm) A shove it in your face mentality, right from the County Exec right on down the line. Theatre Station is a stop that actually draws people, with Shea's, CEPA & the Market Arcade....so that is the stop to be eliminated....go figure. Spend the money on infrastructure and market the fact that you can ride the train for free on the ground level. The great thing about the subway at ground level is that there are no cars....it's people friendly...why want that?

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...and ditto with the bridge. Thank you

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"Public monies are a scarce resource that must be used with respect and wisdom."

Holy smokes, the cognitive dissonance on display in this sentence is just staggering.

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I am all for transit, I take it every day to and from work, to do shopping, get groceries, entertainment. I believe all streets should be for the public good. And just as I loth the suburban street design for only catering to one form of transportation. Main Street should be allowed to have cars on it as well. I think the design is a good one for balancing the desire for pedestrian, bikes and transit. While it will likely cause some headaches for the NFTA and light rail it will alleviate a lot of headaches for visitors and wayfinding downtown. While cars will not breathe any new life into Main Street, create businesses etc it is only fair for all forms to have access to a public road.

A better fight would be to bring equal and fair access for bike and transit commuters to the rest of our city and regional roadways.

There are some good points made above though. If cars are to come to Main Street, then the trackbed MUST be a part of the reconstruction efforts. The addition of thousands of cars and trucks a day to the existing road would be devastating to the condition of the concrete and would make the road look quite horrible and potentially nonfunctional.

Bringing cars to Main St should not be the focus and the only goal of this project. The goal should be the creation of a beautiful and functionally better street for everyone.

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I wonder how suburbanites feel about funding road expansion in the city? Do they even care that their precious tax dollars are being used for projects that only benefit those who live outside their local municipality or is this only something that the anti-sprawl zealots are concerned with.

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I am one of those "sprawl-monger" suburbanites who live in a subdivision in Lancaster. No, I do not mind at all that my tax $ will go toward the cars on Main St. project. What benefits the city benefits the entire region. I am a huge BFLO backer even though I don't live in the city. My family and I frequent it OFTEN, at least once a week for dinners, events, shopping, etc. It's the small-minded, snobby, city elitists who look down upon anyone and anything that isn't 100% from or within BFLO city limits that truly are holding projects up and this city back. Feel free to bitch-slap me via BRO, I can take it.

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Very well said. This City and Region live and die together, if you don't believe it, then you are only adding to the problem.

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Meliq,
Legalistically, you have a "right" to live in a sprawled subdivision in Lancaster. If you really want to attack the Earth that way, we won't try to stop you (unless we ever think of a way).

Our outrage for now is that instead of paying your own way, sprawlers keep forcing others to subsidize you. According to our feelings, those of us who don't live way out there are continuously forced to subsidize your sewers, roads, highways, strip malls, driveways, garages, widescreen TVs, and even your kitchen sinks (paid for by mortgage tax deductions!) - not to mention your numerous Mighty Taco drive-thrus while we in the city have only one.

Your claim that you help fund things in the city such as Main St downtown is nice but trivial. It doesn't count because any fair minded person would say everything in more dense areas is more important than anything way out in sprawl country.

If you want the blaming to stop, you and your subdivision should just start paying your own way for once. Thanks, neighbor!

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If city schools could compete with suburban schools many people who live in the sprawl would move back to the city for the convenience and lower cost of living. Unfortunately, parents care for their children. Go figure.

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Wow--do you get many nosebleeds sitting so high up on your horse? I guess my money would be better appreciated in the suburbs instead of the city restaurants, coffee shops and stores I usually go to. If I want a city-fix, I guess there's always Toronto.

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Lol! Whatever is on his high horse but he's also mocking those of us who don't want to see our land, and tax dollars managed more responsibly. Not everybody who is against irresponsible sprawl is a blood thirsty suburban hater, but he thinks making us out to be mighty taco freaks and big screen haters gives his wacky points more validity.

But I'm glad you don't harbor anti city feelings even though you live in the burbs. I'd like to think most people in the region aren't as wrapped up in the whole city vs suburb thing like some folks.

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Oops. Make that DO want to see our land and tax dollars managed more responsibly.

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Meli, my comment was light-hearted satire and mocking of commonly expressed opinions on BR.

I figured my wording was so extreme that should be clear to most. Anyway if I hadn't written it somebody else probably would write something like that and be serious, so I just got it out of the way!

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Buy some god damned property and you too could deduct your property taxes and mortgage interest. You act like a reporter from fox with the spin and blatant omission of facts. Guess what there are city dwellers that deduct those expenses just like anyone else not living in the city. If this deduction bothers you so much why dont you purchase realty? Are you too broke to do so and are jealous of those that can afford it or are you too lazy for homeownership and would rather leave it to your landlord to take care of everything. Or are you still living in mommy's basement?

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Get over your self. You making this person sound like they are single handedly ruiningthe planet. The suburbs are really no different than the city with exception to a few taller buildings downtown. This is not NYC or Chicago.

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bteeth & mullet - see my reply to Meli, and you guys might want to upgrade your sarcasm detectors. Or maybe my kidding around talents need the upgrade. (In my defense, it's difficult to write good mocking while soul-destroying sprawl continues, our grain elevator treasures aren't universally treasured, and even new residential projects in the city still allow some parking spaces. So many outrages!)

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I'm with you. I grew up in the 'burbs and my family still live there and run a profitable business. The 'burbs offer amenities the city does not and vise versa. There will always be a "city core" and "suburbs" so we may as well get along and help each other out. I don't and won't buy into the city vs subirbs arguments. We need them and they need us.

As for this article, thank you for the news captain obvious. Of course tax payers are paying for infrastructure improvements. Truthfully, I'd rather see my tax money go towards this than canal side, which is a private venture masked by public money / input.

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That's a good question Bobbycat. I noticed the "not with my tax dollars" crowd is relatively silent on this issue.

Not too long ago, whenever an article that discussed public investments encouraging high-density development, non-car transit, and revitalizing older areas was written(ie: rehab credits, HSR, LRT, IDA funds for greyfields etc), the usual suspects would have a fit. We would get all sorts of armchair market expert rants on how we were distorting the market, how we should have spent that money on more "real" needs, and how people who want a vibrant city should pay for it themselves without taxing "average working families."

Perhaps these folks now understand the importance of developing our rail resources and investing in the downtown core. Or these people, who spent so much time and energy defending, and championing massive spending programs to drive their preferred sprawl development in other discussions, don't want to use the "small government" angle here out of fear of being hypocritical.

Either way, the lack of selective taxpayer outrage, and suburb=good city=bad thinking is a good sign. It shows that this board is learning and moving forward as a group.

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I noticed that the "subsidize sprawl" crowd is silent. You are usually good for one or two of those comments a day.

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I'd be interested in knowing what else $75 million could buy. Since the NFTA already owns the ROW, might it be enough to get significantly further with a Kenmore/Tonawanda line? At least as far as the Larkin District on the Airport line? An extension into the Cobblestone District? Wouldn't a transit system that carries 30,000 people bring more life to Main than the 23,000 it already serves daily? Cars already have access to Washington and Pearl, just a half block away, and that hasn't done much to improve the situation.

$75 million is what the Central Terminal stated as its goal to rehab the entire section of the site currently under restoration. Think what that money could be used for as tax incentives or building rehab to bring actual BUSINESS to Main.

Are cars on Main going to keep HSBC in town? Is blocking off traffic from Delaware Ave going to put the final nail in the coffin for the Statler? Did Bass Pro pull out of the Harbor project because they were only going to have traffic on three sides instead of four?

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LR costs anywhere from 10m to 40 or 50+ a mile. So Yup, it would go pretty far.

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Just in time for the downtown housing renaissance and $5 gasoline, the City of Buffalo brings you cars on Main Street.

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-I don't get this article. Of course the money is going to come from tax payers. Its almost insulting that this is an issue needed to be brought up.

-I don't get the big fuss either. Every metropolitan area gladly takes federal handouts to improve mass transit. Just shut your mouth and get some infrastructural improvement happening.

-This is a project that was suppose to start years ago. Why is the CTRC trying to be the "fly in the ointment" 6 months before construction? All of this just plain makes me sick. Why don't any of these regional "improvement" groups work towards something instead of taking away from it? Good Grief.

-There is no good reason to not give this a shot. None. No businesses are going to leave, no decrease in pedestrian traffic will occur, your not going to decrease the value of any nearby traffic.

This could, yes could, be the spark to make main st., "MAIN STREET." I know tea party activists, like miss Giffords must be, don't want to spend public money in a time of mass deficit, but money for any LRT expansion is going to be coming from the taxpayers. So making a stink about funding for this project is only going to be hurting any attempt for public subsidy in the future. So... maybe the CRTC should elect a smarter president that isn't putting her "foot in mouth" about public spending.

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I'm confused... I thought the Citizens for Regional Transit supported the Cars on Main project, just with some tweaks.

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Phase II of this project is scheduled for 2013 when the city is going to reopen AM&A's and Woolworths. Kudos to Mayor Sedita and city hall. Lets hope Bob McAdoo can be as productive on the hardwood tonight.

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Phase III includes another house for Mayor Pankow, built by City employees, and a live, surprise re-enactment of the McKinley shooting. Just don't tell the volunteer about that one - we'll have x-rays and clean hands, this time.

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Cars, trollies, and pedestrians all living in harmony on one busy street. If only we could achieve this in Buffalo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=NINOxRxze9k

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Great video, but it was /somewhat/ staged. It was made before the 1906 earthquake, when cars were quite rare on the west coast. The videographer had a few people with 'horseless carriages' circle the trolley he was shooting from to make the city seem more prosperous (which is why you see the same people in the same cars repeatedly passing in front of the camera).

Also note the lack of distracted drivers on cellphones and suburban strip malls to draw people away from the urban center.

That said, Market street today no longer runs regular cable cars, subways have been moved below street level, auto traffic has been reduced to two lanes in each direction. Trolley buses use boarding islands quite similar to the CRTC's proposal for Main Street, which divert auto traffic to the outside lanes. Recently, 'traffic calming' measures have been put in place to encourage cars to utilize parallel streets, and street parking is almost nonexistant to favor wider sidewalks.

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