City April 6, 2011 10:29 AM

Tucker Curtin's Vision of the Outer Harbor

Tucker Curtin’s Vision of the Outer Harbor
If you know Tucker Curtin, then you know that he is passionate about Buffalo. He's also one of the city's most inspiring businessmen. The combination of being fervent Buffalo supporter and creative entrepreneur has delivered us Lake Effect Diner, The Steer Restaurant, and of course, Dug's Dive. When Tucker headed to the Outer Harbor to invest in a waterfront establishment, he set out to rethink what his immediate surroundings might one day look like. That vision has been years in the making, fluctuating from becoming a year 'round destination to a summer resort. A summer resort? Yes, with all of the recent waterfront hype, Tucker has been busy drafting up his own images that he feels would offer the biggest impact on the Outer Harbor in the shortest period of time. If the public momentum is there, then why not marry that with private investment? Tucker has become an anchor of sorts... now he feels that the time is right to build off the existing amenities such as the restaurant, bike trails, boat slips, etc. From Tucker:

"The plan was contrived by fulfilling the community's desire for recreational accessibility of the Outer Harbor. This is one for the people that will inspire future sustainable development and recreational opportunities. The Outer Harbor is our natural playground. As you can see, the plan includes boat rentals. I also believe there should be a system of rented bikes, sea kayaks and other modes of integrated recreational transportation, rental options, and a series of transportation hubs all connected between Erie Basin Marina, Festival Park and Dug's Dive - by road and water, we establish the heritage corridor experience. Once we figure out exactly what we want and need, I will help to build it!"

Take a look at the following renderings (click to enlarge) and you will see the direction that Tucker is going. You'll find rentable cabanas, a new beach with fire pit and towel rentals, a galvanized water slide, a stage for live music, giant checker and chess sets, a retail row, a deli with groceries, mini golf... there's even a new Dug's Dive building (different location) and additional food and bar offerings. Could one man's vision become a reality? As far as scale goes, this plan looks to be a much easier lift than the myriad of plans preceding it. There are no major land reconfigurations. There are no million dollar hotels. These are amenities that appear to be minimal investment that should lure additional investment to the Outer Harbor - especially since the person doing the luring is planning on heavily investing himself.

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Love it, something like this might kick start the Freezer Queen project too. I have always thought some of the wide open area to the north could be a sports recreation complex with indoor/outdoor facilities like ice rink, soccer and ball diamonds, volleyball courts with lights (outdoor rink in winter) and even an indoor dome for soccer, golf range and for baseball teams to lease out in spring. Together with outdoor bike and running trails it could be a real people gathering attraction. Swimming lanes in the lake would be nice too.

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Love it, love all of it. Now, instead of building new buildings to replicate old, how about we move at-risk builds to the waterfront for re-use.

such as: www.buffalorising.com/2011/04/then-and-now-too-sad-to-think-about.html

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I have seen you mention this in other stories on BRO and I understand where you're coming from. However, the time and cost that would be associated with this type of idea negates any benefit you would gain from doing it.

Plus you would have a hodgepoge of buildings lined up around the inner/outer harbor with no real fusion in the appearance. For what the people behind the development of the outer harbor or Canalside are looking for, this type of plan probably wouldn't complete their vision.

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Once you spend the $35-50k thousand to demo an authentic building such as this, $5-10k to haul off to landfill and the $500k+++ to rebuild a new, vinyl-sided structure (which will look like a cheap replica), you have spent well over what it would cost to move. I have received quotes of $70k-200k for buildings this size.

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Then I say go for it. What would worry me, other than cost and logistics, would be the appearance of the area. You wouldn't want to put these at risk buildings together if the result is a bad mix of different looks. At least with a new build district using proper architecture you will have the uniform look that many are hoping to achieve.

I don't think it's a bad idea to group a number of useable at risk buildings into a certain area to create a type of historic preservation district, I just think it wouldnt be executed properly in a waterfront/Canalside setting.

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I agree with you-they should be logically congregated and configured. My point is that it is actually CHEAPER to move and demo and rebuild replicas, and less about where exactly they need to go.

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I hear ya. I was unaware of the cost difference there and was more concerned with producing the proper appearance with future development. I actually think all of the small parking lots near Pilot field off Michigan could be a decent place to locate some ofthe buildings you're talking about...there are already some cool buildings in that area snd your plan could help leverage a neat quasi historical neighborhood/multiple use area.

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yeah spectacular idea to bring Buffalo back! Use our most valuable piece of land for mini golf and a parking lot! I hear mini golf really brings in the visitors these days but don't try to make too many bathrooms and snack bars, you might take away of of ECHDC's ideas.

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This is a brilliant idea. I think putting the oversized chess/checkers down next to (or on) the beach would make them more enjoyable for the people using them.

I also would like to see "retail row" have more of a boardwalk-type appearance. Since this type of development will be spurred on a seasonal basis that type of style could work quite well. I guess I don't love the cabana-style set up that is shown in the rendering.

Otherwise this is a brilliant idea and I think Tucker Curtain should be appalauded for his vision. Now lets hope some more people jump on the bandwagon with him to get this done.

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Nice Idea, I like it.

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There have been numerous ideas broght up (on/and off bro) that have been good and CHEAP... there is no reason for us now more than ever to have SOOO little to do on the waterfront. Its little things like kayak/bike rental that provide those little extras that would keep someone grabbin a bite at Dugs dive there a little bit longer.

I ask only that would could think a little larger (same format) but larger than a dozen buildings for "retail row" and a 5,000 sq. foot beach. Please make this more than something I'll visit on occasion.

(Also providing much needed tourism/related employment in a town where I feel tourism realted employment is lacking)

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Mr. Curtin should be applauded for his continued efforts to invest his private capital into this city and region in attempt to revitalize the area. That said, I just do not see how this plan increases the draw to the outer harbor, and I find the layout and design uninspiring.

This plan may serve as a nice jumping-off point, as it leasds to a more fully-realized plan.

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Great ideas, and the concept is there....This area is in need of some nice asthetic improvements for people who spend time there and also a few inexpensive fixes to bring in some new visitors...I dont know if I see this area ever being a huge draw, so why not build it up for the people who have boat slips and spend money at dugs dive etc....Where did he present this? and how and when can we get started?

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I like these ideas very much. I think the only issue is that you need to have some sort of parallel residential construction, so that the businesses moving in have a steady stream of revenue.

I think a retirement community somewhere within walking distance would do wonders to bring a steady stream of revenue in.

To make it year round, residences could be attached to the stores' backs for indoor entrances. I guess I'm thinking of Disney's Boardwalk Resort, but with indoor entrances for residences.

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Like this! Lighter, quicker, cheaper -- and tastier!

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I like the idea, but I think that I would add a few more things. Pending a bridge across to main, I would love to see some large residential areas/hotel. This land is easily the most valuable parcel in the entire area of downtown. And yes I do consider this downtown. It would be ashamed not to add to the downtown population here. If a main street bridge is constructed people could easily walk to the subway and ride up main to work/live.

How would should this be handled?

1) Def want to keep green space. I don't think that this would be hard because of the amount of land that this is here. Block off areas of no development which can house the park benches and playground areas.

2) Have the NFTA transfer the first 100-150ft of frontage to the ECHDC. They could use money for Bass Pro, and build a boardwalk with individual buildings(attached in row), which could be used for various restaurant, shops, and tourism points. This would be the interest generator to the area bringing people and private money to the site.

3) Parcel of the land directly behind the boardwalk to sell to private investors for the residential/hotel. Make the sale contingent upon approve of the plans to fit the area(architecture, parking, any other complaints). I feel that narrow tall buildings would suit this area perfectly by taking up more vertical space then horizontal.

Again, all is contingent on the main street bridge.

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If done right, we could see this take shape as a higher end Harbor Village

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What about McMahon's water taxi?!?! You can't have a successful Outer Harbor without it.

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Mr. Curtin would be a more inspiring businessman if fewer drunks, [unsubstantiated], left his establishments.

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Well if that's the case we'd have to close down the Chip Strip.

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Unsubstantiated

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Prove it or don't comment.

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Seriously people, let's start to think large and progressive:

http://dirt.asla.org

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This seems alittle better suited to Grand Island or Hamburg or even Lackawanna's Woodlawn Beach than to downtown Buffalo.

Yes, Buffalo needs a beach and boardwalk and some natural park but it needs something that is centrally located.

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I wouldn't exactly call this downtowm Buffalohead, it's about 2-3 miles and damn near in lackawanna. There is still a huge amount of open land at the outer harbor and inner harbor. I think most of this vision is perfect for the area.

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Its great to see the passion of Mr Tucker but the plan is seriously flawed.

101 waterfront development build (retail row) cluster of structures perpendicular to the water. They should not block and dominating the access. The further away the better opening more area for viewing and access.

keep the conversation going.

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I like his ideas - especially the mini gulf idea. At least he has some. In addition to his suggestions --
I would love to see a fantastic outdoor Breakfast place on the water where I could go on the weekends and read the morning paper and have a wonderful breakfast right on or next to the river.
For the evenings - An oldfashioned dance Hall like Crystal Beach used to have would be great.

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Fredrico, nice to see your comment!

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But... wouldn't a giant fishing and hunting store do well here?

xoxo

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This guy is one of the most ruthless business men in the area. What's in it for him.....of course something free from the city. Enough of the private handouts. Hop on ferry with Mr. Croce and set sail.
Man up and invest on your own.

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vt, are you not paying attention? Curtin wants to invest, but has had endless roadblocks from the "public" (theoretically controlled by us taxpayers) entity that controls the Small Boat Harbor.

As for your characterization, I've yet to experience Tucker as anything but open, approachable, enthusiastic, community-minded -- without any specifics, your remark just comes off as unhelpful slander.

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Unfortunately, the NFTA owns all the land from Times beach to Gallagher Beach except the old Freezer Queen parcel. Look at how business friendly the NFTA has been in the past, right Tucker? Wasn't it nice to close for the winter because of the "we won't plow for a private business" BS but, they plowed anyway for the ice fisherman at the Small Boat Harbor?
Think, "The Pier", Port Authority Building and what they did to the Maritime Center when they made them move out and then there's NYS taxes to help bring businesses in!
It would be nice but, not for many years the way things work around here, sad but true! Sorry to sound pessimistic you know how it is! Good for you Tucker, I am a big fan of your efforts though!

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Weren't the NFTA Nazi's supposed to hand over the land to the county or city? If not, nothing will get done because they are greedy and nothing has happened there with them owning it in the past 20 years.

This has been done (albeit on a smaller scale) in Dunkirk, NY with thier peir. They have utilized an existing park, boat launch, and resturant, and have added retail on the same scale as proposed here to make a pretty nice little destination for local residents with a great summer concert series. Sell one of your Land Rovers Tucker, and make this happen! People will come...

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I love how BRO edits comments because they don't like to see anything truthful written about their friends. If the truth was known some establishments on Main and the small boat harbor would probably go under if they knew what kind of businessman the owner is.

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I love how BRO edits comments because they don't like to see anything truthful written about their friends. If the truth was known some establishments on Main and the small boat harbor would probably go under if they knew what kind of businessman the owner is.

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I think an indoor waterpark such as the kalahari would be an excellent fit down there to bring in year round tourism!

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ChiroGreg:

Not a bad idea! I was back in my hometown of Batavia and they are getting one there at one of the hotels to drive year round business. It works in other places, why can't it work in Buffalo right?

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When the Coast Guard finally hands over the light house, this would work well there. We need a public beach close to the city.

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