Real Estate March 9, 2011 2:40 PM

Ellicott Development Outlines Plans for Two Properties

Ellicott Development Outlines Plans for Two Properties

Ellicott Development Company came under heavy criticism in Sunday's News regarding outstanding code violations on two of its downtown properties.  According to Ellicott's Chief Executive Officer William Paladino, the company has development plans for both the Greystone Hotel and Fairmont Creamery.  Each has taken longer to develop than the company had intended however.

The future of the Greystone Hotel at 24 S. Johnson Park in the West Village has been a sore spot for neighborhood residents and many Buffalo Rising readers for years.  Opened in 1897, the former Berkeley Hotel was designed by Carlton Strong.  The columned building is an early example of reinforced concrete construction and is on the National Register of Historic Places.

24 S. Johnson Park.JPGIt was purchased by Ellicott Development in 2002 with plans to convert the complex into a market-rate apartment building.  Work came to a halt after a worker fell through an upper floor while gutting the property.  Several redevelopment plans for the property have been floated since, including one by developer Rocco Termini, none moving off the drawing board.

Ellicott has revived plans to convert the building into residences albeit with smaller, more affordable units than earlier planned.  William Paladino says the company has been working on plans for about a year and has had to redesign the project to "work with what is there" rather than reconfiguring the building's layout to create larger units.

Earlier plans called for 28 upscale units in the building.  That plan was stalled by the inability to obtain financing.  The current plan is primarily driven by the unique construction of the building.  Both the exterior and interior walls are reinforced concrete. 

"It's been a process," says Paladino.  He says that asbestos abatement work is complete and interior demolition has been performed on several of the floors, saving what's usable.  Engineers are currently working on a plan to stabilize the building so that interior demolition can proceed on the weakened upper floors.  Paladino estimates that architecture and engineering work has cost about $200,000 to date.

"We expect to have the building lay out complete by the end of March," says Paladino.  "Units will be smaller than we usually do.  Prices will be in the $1,000 to $1,400 range, not the $1,200 to $2,000 originally planned."

Paladino expects actual construction work will begin by June but adds that the engineers will dictate the timeline.  One concept being considered is adding a courtyard on the building's sixth floor where the hole is now in the roof.  Paladino says it would not only be a building amenity, it would also lighten the load on the building's structure. 

"We got the building in terrible shape," says Paladino noting that the structural integrity of the building was already compromised when it was purchased, worse than the company had anticipated.  The building's bad condition and some "poor demolition supervision" by a previous general contractor led to the collapse of the roof.

"We inherited the problems and we're dealing with it," says Paladino.

Fairmont Creamery
DSC_0583af.JPGPlans for the Fairmont Creamery are less certain.  The eight-story building at 199 Scott Street occupies a prominent site along the I-190 in the Cobblestone District.  Ellicott has owned the 120,000 sq.ft. property since 2001 and has gutted the property to prepare it for reuse.  The former cold storage facility is located across from the stalled casino project and Ellicott is holding off on finalizing plans for the property until the future of the Seneca Buffalo Creek casino is settled. 

"We have plans for offices, apartments and potentially hotel rooms in the building," says Paladino.  "It's been on hold since work on the casino stopped.  The casino is driving the timing of it."

"We think it's a great structure," adds Paladino.  "It could go all office, but the neighborhood is not ready for the number of units an all-residential structure would bring."

Get Connected: Ellicott Development Company, 716.854.0060

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Really great buildings, both of them. The greystone is an off the beaten path "tucked away" gem off Delaware. Great facade!

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Surprised Paladino actually responded to a story from the BNews rather than just putting up another mature billboard with a giant middle finger directed towards Washington St.

That said, market circumstances and financing troubles are no excuse for not securing a building from the elements and further damage that can cause public hazards and eventual demolition by neglect. The Greystone might not happen for another decade - fix your stinking roof now!

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Nice coverage, WCP! During Jim Heaney's live chat this week, a pal o' Paladino said that Carl wouldn't bother even cleaning up trash and debris around the Creamery building (for which he's been cited by City inspectors) as long as the casino project remains stalled. That's just wrongheaded. The City should require the grounds to be kept maintained, and the missing windows to be boarded (note to Carl: you can use each of those boards as a free billboard!). Otherwise, the building will continue to decay, and when pushing for demolition Carl will blame the casino opponents.

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What does the Casino have to do with anything?

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Nothing. It's just an excuse.

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Big bad bow wow passing judgment from the armchair, iPad 1 in hand. Make a difference, bow wow, submit another comment, change the world...

Billy comes off well in this article, glad to see his side told. props.

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Well if you have a major development across the street, developers like to taylor their projects to feed of the success of other projects

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Are you serious?

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I like the courtyard concept on greystone.

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Especially innovative is their concept of letting it naturally form over the past 8 years...

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Ok cynical but very funny....

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Here is a perfect example of how building a casino in DT Buffalo will cost 3 jobs per slot machine....

I'm sorry I just can't believe that someone with an education would come up with that figure. This is just one example of approx. 100 that are waiting on the construction of the facility.

The cobblestone area would explode overnight if that Casino was built. If people can drive 15 minutes to the fairgrounds or 22 minutes north to a Casino, how can anyone say that it will have a negative effect in the area? Not supporting the Casino is truly being an obstructionist. Case closed. My prediction would be an additional net of 2000 jobs minimally within 10 years of the Casino being opened.

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Just like Niagara Falls and Salamanca have exploded overnight?

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The Canadian side has exploded because there are things to do over there. A casino as a silver bullet is a terrible idea, no matter how many jobs it brings. If that casino is done right it will help the area. If it is expected to be the savior of downtown, you will see the same results as the American side of the Falls.

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Perhaps - (although I would say its at the very least debatable whether we want a Clifton Hill downtown) - but cowboy was clearly arguing that if you build the casino, development "explodes overnight." I don't think there are any deeper layers to his thoughts there.

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I hear you on both fronts there. By no means do I think having a bunch of haunted houses on Main Street will save the city. I was looking at a broader scope. If you pair the Canalside development and arena district with a smart casino project, you should see some success. By smart I mean scrap the $300M project, build an event center, table games and slot area with shopping and a few restaurants, maybe a moderately sized hotel.

While I am usually right there with Cowboy on his line of thinking, I don't think the casino equals overnight success (so to speak). Hitching you horse to that star is probably a foolhardy move (see NF, USA).

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I agree with you on the linking Canalside to the Casino. I meant ten years when I said overnight and explode was relative to what the Cobblestone area is now, which is unfortunately almost a goose egg.

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See reply

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By overnight........ I did state 10 years for a reason. And in terms of impact on a top 50 metropolitan area.....That is overnight.

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Exploded is relative term. There are how many jobs in the Cobblestone area now? What currently is the GDP produced in the Cobblestone area? The Senenca Allegany Casino has ~1000 employees. How much of an impact would 1000 employees have in the Cobblestone area alone?

When there is a very low baseline, its not hard to net huge percentage gains(penny stocks).

Secondly, this is Buffalo, not Salamanca and not NF. Salamanca is what it is. A very poor community(by no means denigrating it) in the middle of the Catskills?? The Casino has made a beneficial impact by just producing jobs in that area alone.

NF Senecas Casino is interesting to focus on. I believe that its failure to develop the local area is based upon its competition across the border and structure. The MAIN difference is the time Casino's have been in place. Casino Niagara opened in 1996 while the Seneca Casino opened in 2003. This difference in time(and being first to the party), allowed for the development to occur and at a much faster pace in Canada. Also the structuring of the facilities are completely opposite. Seneca Casino is surrounded by gated parking lots, both Casino Niagara and Fallsview have ramps and under ground parking. This is obviously a huge difference in attracting surrounding business.

If Buffalo says no to lots(please), obtains direct percentage of the Casino income, and requires a percentage of jobs be citizens of Buffalo. This Casino will have only Positive effects and these will reach the Canalside area as well.

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I read your comment... and then I read it again. Am I taking you out of context, or were you saying that Salamanca is in the Catskills?

Please don't tell me you think Salamanca is in the Catskills.

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While that might be the least important line in the entire reply....

The Catskill mountain's western boundary is an ambiguous one, extending into the realm of the Allegheny Plateau. Thus there is no consensus or definite range of the Catskill Mountains. There is a Catskill region of NYS which is often discussed for it's beauty and tourism(maybe this is what you are confusing with Catskill mountains). The Allegheny plateau of the Catskill formation is home to Salamanca.

P.S. My ?? after Catskills were stressing the undefined extent of the range.

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While I'm pretty much disagree with the whole of your thoughts on the Casino, I'm not going to spend time proving whats obvious to anyone who examines case studies locally and in older cities across the country...

But the Salamanca is definitely not in the Catskills. Those are the Allegheny Mts/Allegheny Plateau. Catskills are adjacent to the Hudson Valley, generally extending to just East of Broome County (Binghamton).

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Irrelevant to the conversation.

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UC> "If Buffalo says no to lots(please), obtains direct percentage of the Casino income, and requires a percentage of jobs be citizens of Buffalo. This Casino will have only Positive effects and these will reach the Canalside area as well."

I agree with this. If the Buffalo and Niagara Falls were able to leverage a similar take from the casino and have a say in land use decisions in the area to prevent a sea of surface parking, this would be a much better deal.

Unfortunately that isn't happening. They can do what they please with the land and the share of the money we get is hardly enough to cover the basic services provided to them. In fact the peanuts the city was promised are not even being paid

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UC> "The cobblestone area would explode overnight if that Casino was built."

Casinos in general have a pitiful record of generating any spin off business in. As others have mentioned, we have only to look at Niagara Falls NY as an example of a casino's ineptitude to generate any ancillary business outside its property.

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See NF, Ontario.

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Much of that "explosion" was already there before the casino arrived. The rest of it can be credited in large part to 100% of their casino profits going back into the hands of the public. A large portion of that ( 20% I believe) is set aside for local development.

The SGC-NYS compact does not have similar provisions.

NF NY and countless other non-Vegas casinos which are surrounded by nothing are a more realistic example for Buffalo Creek. Besides, the Buffalo Creek Casino has been open for a few years now and nothing close to an "explosion" has happened as a result.

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I would be interested to see some investigation into the success - or lack of - the casinos in Detroit/ Windsor, and any correlation that may be drawn to Buffalo.

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Detroit's successes and failures were discussed early in the WNY casino planning process.

http://urbandesignproject.ap.buffalo.edu/pub/pdf/fulltext_casino.pdf

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In short, Greektown was considered a success because it is integrated with the urban fabric while the others provided little benefit because they were stand alone "fortresses."

The idea at the time was to put an "urban friendly" casino in the heart of downtown as part of a larger development strategy with Chippewa and the waterfront(p25). The synergy between the casino and other attractions as well as a substantial cut of the profits to the local government would drive the project.

What I found frustrating is these decision makers (including the SGC) recognize the benefit of a Greektown style casino and yet we ended up with 4 non spin off generating bunkers. We also got shorted out of a revenue stream that could have been used towards downtown development.

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Interesting. I'll have to give it a read. What you said sounds spot on. Greektown itself is a great area so the casino fits in and plays off the neighborhood. MGM and Motor City casinos are right off the highway and a bit more difficult to get to. Plus they aren't really connected to any active community like Greektown. So basically Buffalo Creek-whatever Casino is like the MGM and Motor City casinos in Detroit: lame.

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"Engineers are currently working on a plan to stabilize the building..." oh really? Did they come up with the idea to keep the gaping hole in the roof in their plan? Also, Bill does not do himself a favor when he says that the building was in terrible shape when they purchased it.....so, your response is to just exacerbate the situation and let the building rot another decade? Truly obscene.

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Judging by the thumbs up/down votes it appears the Paladino goons are out in full force. Ellicott are sheisters, they're just responding with a "plan" to appease the two or three people actually worked up over the recent attention. Now they're appeased and no one is going to care for the next 12-18 months until another muckraker story is published and we get up in arms because Ellicott lied... again. BRO wrote about the "plans" outlined by Ellicott in '08. The Circle of Life.

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Maybe the thumb votes are true to the readership to the site, ever think of that? I'm glad they have plans. And they wouldn't have paid for the plans if nothing was going to happen. Do you really think Paladino (and family) cares what other people think of him (and them)?

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Good point. It is comical how much some commenters on BRO think their opinion really matters. Armchair developers/architects/urban planners abound.

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I love how Paladino(s) always acts like noboday is watching, or nobody knows the back story with him... He is a joke, and an embarassment to Buffalo. Sell your crappy holdings and Go Away!

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Paladino will never be a great man except within the walls of his cranium. We just know too much about him, his social views, and his disrepect for the community. The latter evidenced by years of neglect when both of these properties could have been sealed to the elements and their exterior kept clean. Shame on Carl!

With that out of the way, I am happy to paraphrase James Fink (Business First). Croce has completed a financing deal for the Curtiss Bldg on Franklin St. That hotel/mtg. space/spa should be stunning based on Croce's attention to customer service and track record.

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I heard a rumour that Ellicott Development is preparing plans to convert teh former Allentown Athletix into 10 apartments..which is great except they plan on knocking down the racquetball portion of the old AA and putting up 11 surface parking spaces accessed off Allen STreet.

Parking accessed off Allen Street? Dies that sound like a good idea?

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I understand the frustration that arm chair developers have when they see the deterioration of a building. But paladino has many more positive developments in the city than negative.
He's been at the forefront of developing in the city long before any of the large developers.

Look at Delaware and Allen alone. Gas station, apartments and office. All of which sat vacant for years before he invested in them.

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Wake me up when the hostage situation is over...

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The Buffalo News has clearly exhibited the lack of credibility it's delivered for YEARS. Heaney is a hack and the hired mouthpiece for Lipsey. Poorly constructed 'opinion' columns/editorials that are clearly a punch back at the guy that's called those that run the paper out for what they are do not belong on the front page.

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