City March 23, 2011 10:50 AM

Court Refuses Injunction and Work Promptly Begins on Elevator Demo

Court Refuses Injunction and Work Promptly Begins on Elevator Demo

Buffalo's Old First Ward, historic waterfront home to Irish cottagers and iconic grain elevators, is losing another one of its landmarks even as neighborhood finally gets national attention for its heritage.  Demolition has started on the Wheeler Elevator and GLF Feed Mill, despite apparent outstanding fees for permits to demolish them, and immediately after a judge's order was delivered.  Since it is an emergency order, asbestos in the building is not removed prior to demolition.

"In just the last 18 months," says Tim Tielman, executive director of The Campaign for Greater Buffalo, "we've had Monocle Magazine, the Travel Channel, the New York Times, Cornell University and independent filmmakers visiting The Old First Ward and to see its priceless industrial heritage, and yet the city seems intent on demolishing as much of the area as it can."

The Campaign brought suit in New York State Supreme Court to block a demolition order issued by the city several weeks ago.  On March 16, Judge Timothy Walker denied The Campaign the opportunity to send in its own engineer to assess conditions. Yesterday it received court transcripts and the judge's order, necessary to weigh an appeal.

"[T]he decision to demolish [the Wheeler Elevator] by the Brown administration was hasty, and in my opinion, ill advised," said Campaign attorney Richard Berger.  The elevator, is one of the three grain complexes on Kelly Island, virtually a museum of the development of the type (the others are Great Northern and General Mills/Wasburn-Crosby).

Much of the 19th-century Irish culture of Buffalo is disappearing.  Other significant losses in the Old First Ward include the Harbor Inn, Chicago Street workers' cottages, a row of South Street houses, and a bar and boarding house last occupied by Kitty O'Malley's bar.

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I guess this requires leadership around preservation, none of which exists in Buffalo. PBN did not feel it necessary to support Tim's suit against the demo, and Brown simply looks the other way. We need to do what we can, as a community, to save what remains. Period.

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These buildings have been sitting on our waterfront for years. Does the city expect the welland canal to close and for these buildings to be refurbished for their orginal use?

There should be a plan on what to keep and what to let go. I'm not as familar with the new city zoning plan, does it address at all the elevator collection?

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yeah, what is up with pbn? unwilling to defend anything except the peace bridge neighborhood.

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Yes, PBN was a huge non-show on this issue, as with most where the rubber meets the road for preservation in Buffalo. That's just how it is/will be I think. They've adopted a safer, more mainstream model focused on eduction through tours and awards, while taking a few big-picture stands like the one against the demolition of a neighborhood for a duty free store and parking ramp. One could also argue that they're too busy with planning for the Trust conference in October.

Rather than complain about them - which I have been known to do myself - I think we should be thankful we have Tim and the Campaign for Greater Buffalo. I know I am.

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100% agreed. And, we should work to support Tim so that he is not a one man band.

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There is a reason he is a one-man band. Tim Tielman is a complete joke throughout this region.

Sure, there are a handful of people who adore him, but there are far more who thing he is an obstructionist, busy-body loser.

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I concur!

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I concur as well!

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Once again, the city shows incredible ignorance by destroying the only thing that distinguishes this city from every other nothing place on the map -our industrial past. Ouch. These kinds of structures will never be built again.
If the pyramids were built here, they would not be here anymore.

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Are you seriously comparing this rusted-out shit-stained eyesore to the Great Pyramids of Giza?

Are you joking?

ARE YOU JOKING?

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I'm sorry to see it go. All of Buffalo's grain elevators are iconic to me.

I hate to admit it, but it just sat there rotting for too long.

We let that happen way too much, and then get upset when the wrecking ball shows up. The problem I see is where the hell do you find someone with enough money who actually WANTS to preserve and find a new use for these structures?

If I knew what to do, I'd do it.

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To do nothing is better than doing something that negatively impacts history.

The coliseum, the parthenon, the pyramids, the grain elevators, the big old larkin admin building on seneca street, the raymond loewy grant's on main street, and on and on.

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champ. you are exaggerating beyond belief

The coliseum, the parthenon, the pyramids!?!?!

Those were all buildings/monuments that were builts THOUSANDS of years ago (not dozens) and have had historical significance in the WORLD not just the US.

Although I agree that you can destroying our mills is wrong:
a) nothing has been done to them for years
b) never have I read any plans about how they can be restored or reused.
c) There is NO COMPARISON of the monuments you mentioned to our grain elevators are nowhere near the same level.

Thanks though...

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I'd like to see people come up with 'realistic' reuses. Everyone wants to save these things but no one has any real idea what to do with them. People always bring up Lofts but most of the Mills aren't even close to being accessible for that. Some don't even have paved roads to them.

I love the Grain Mills, but most people in this thread aren't realistic. Most reuses will be industrial not romantic lofts.

How about instead of crying over spilled milk we move on to the Mills left and come up with legit ways to save and reuse them. otherwise you can write the 'Wreck Buffalo" articles now.

I'm just as mad as anyone here, I just think we should use that energy to think ahead instead of waste times on lost causes.

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I'd like to see people come up with 'realistic' reuses.

That's the problem. There aren't. They're in a poor location for just about everything, are in debatable condition and would require tens of millions to remodel into anything usable.

And that's if we had a demand - we don't. Sure, they could be converted to lofts. But to house who? Do we need housing for a couple hundred people that don't exist in a location that would be undesirable? A vertical shopping mall removed from the city's traffic flows and commercial areas? Retro-styled office buildings to compete for tenants that don't exist? The last three or four times this topic has come up here there's been no realistic ideas.

Folks can claim all they want about heritage and architectural history, and I'd be willing to debate that. But right now they're an abandoned building that's been vacant for decades and has no discernible future use in their current form.

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Well stated JM!

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I agree totally.

The location is horrible for anything other than industry.

Hotels and office space? Who wants to look out their window and see surrounding blight?

Apartments or dorms? Too far from retail and restaurants.

Refuge for artists? Sure. Have at it, but see above reasons.

I have two pie in the sky ideas that just might fit with the problems of the structure and surrounding area:

We can convert buildings as easy cooling data centers. Winds from the lake will keep the servers cool naturally, resulting in low costs. Since the structures are vertical, there's more area for contact.

We can retrofit mills to generate electricity in some capacity, whether wind or geothermal, or something else. Something not ran by the NYPA.

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The fault lies with Buffalo and New York State.

For decades, the GBNRTC has had studies to show that a Port Authority needed to be created to market the Port of Buffalo, the various slips and canals.

Without a Port Authority the devastation in New Orleans which shut down barge traffic on the Mississippi, the boom in grain commodities which recently brought investment in our storage silos...all could have seen redevelopment of these derelict facilities.

Just like the failure to consolidate the Buffalo and Niagara Falls Bridge Authorities caused decades of blight and collapse of the surrounding neighborhoods by an unwelcome proposed plaza...

THESE FAILURES TAKE DECADES OF BLIGHT BEFORE THEY ARE EITHER CORRECTED OR RUN INTO THE GROUND IN FAILURE/DEMOLITION.

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I would rather see our waterfront cleaned up and redeveloped to incorporate public use rather than preserved in whole as a museum of industrial heritage. Keep an elevator or 2 as a monument and develop around it for modern uses. We failed on our past (or it failed us, that's another debate but not one that is going to solve any problems) and we can't cling so tightly to it if we are going to rebuild Buffalo to the splendor that it was at the turn of the 19th century. That Buffalo would have to be built in a manner that respected our past and is conducive to modern needs and wants.

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Who says that redeveloping the elevators has to be about keeping them historic? Why not be imaginative and think about modern adaptive re-uses? They are grand structures that can be re-purposes for a host of uses (museums, acquariums, etc). Let's not be so myopic people.

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Like what?

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Modern hotel. New aquarium. Contemporary arts center.

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Okay let me be more specific......What realistically could go there?

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This is where we diverge-why is it realistic for other forward-thinking cities, and not Buffalo? It takes planning, coordination and vision. Does your question pertain more to the (historic) lack of the aforementioned in Buffalo and/or the re-use of the structure itself? I am not clear on your Q.

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What are some examples or forward thinking sities that have taken a large disconnected industrial war zone and transformed it into any of your above ideas.

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Myopic or realistic? The cost of adapting a concrete cylinder into a hotel or aquarium simply isn't economical. The subsidy that would be required to make it economical is not a wise use of taxpayer dollars. There are so many other worthy projects that do have adaptive reuses and are only slightly out of natural private sector economy, i.e. The Statler, that we have prioritize our limited resources. Otherwise we will argue ideology to our graves while the worthiest of preservable sites rot to theirs.

"Perfect is overrated" -Tina Fey

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What are you people talking about???? I am totally embarassed bringing friends from out of town into downtown from the south. It starts with the rotted Bethlehem Steel plant, continues with the rotting Freezer Queen building and other abandoned plants along the waterfront and ends with these dilapidated grain silos and a quick view of numerous abandoned remnants of an industrial past that hasn't seen much waterfront activity in nearly 60 years. Baltimore, Cleveland and a plethora of sea and lakefront cities have dealt with their waterside properties with vigor throughout these decades while Buffalo has become the epitome of the "Rust Belt". Our leaders spent the better part of a decade waiting for a national retailer to revitalize the area who NEVER was serious about coming to town!
Knock them ALL down...make them shovel-ready for new builds or just plant grass! Anything would be better than giving guests an oral history of what WAS and will never be again.

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Brilliant idea Charlie. If only Buffalo had torn down more old buildings to be left as vacant shovel-ready sites, we'd be a boom-town by now. A lost opportunity to be sure.

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Right, Charlie. Because there is clearly not enough shovel-ready sites or parking lots in Buffalo already. You've solved our problem(s)!

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I'm convinced that Buffalo's activists and waterfront enthusiasts are unprepared to seriously address this complicated part of the city. Buffalo needs outside help. The Albright Knox and UB School of Architecture and Planning should be the ones to begin a design competition process that would result in a realistic design and financial strategy. Take a look at these proposals for the Minneapolis Riverfront Design Competition by Ken Smith Workshop(New York City),Stoss Landscape Urbanism(Boston),Tom Leader Studio(Berkeley), and Turenscape(Beijing).

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It is comical that you (Champ) are comparing Buffalo's grain elevators to the Great Pyramids and the Parthenon. I agree we should keep one grain elevator in good repair as a local (not global) icon. Keeping them all when they no longer serve a practical purpose is not necessary.

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Show me the money to reconstruct and reuse this building and make it stay afloat. The developer and the money has to be present prior to the building totally caving in. These are the types of things that happen when communities shrink unfortunately. Ever decreasing population in the third poorest city in the USA doesnt bode well for saving everything and its unfortunate. Thats the real problem here.

Whats the incentive to a property owner who takes over a dangerous structure or a structure in a low rent high crime district to pump millions into the place with no use or means to offset the investment? Especially if they arent in the business of building Williamsburg's to cater to tourist populations? I'm no proponent of radical free enterprise greed here but investments must make sense and result in some benefit to those putting down the dollars.

Believe me I think these are really cool assets and if properly planned and connected can actually benefit the community but again...show me the money. In what year will the new bridge connection(s) be built out there? Are those heavily beaten industrial roads being crossed by rail and truck really tourist friendly? Would you call Ganson Street walkable? Is Ganson Street or any of them down there a tourist venue or an industrial one? Will creation of a tourism wonderland out there actually help push out those few remaining users who maintain their plants like General Mills? Whats the plan, what is a realistic timeline to implement that plan and wheres the money?

Perhaps private corporations back in the mid to late 19th century should have been responsible for setting up a preservation trust that would help maintain structures after they up and left? Perhaps these corporate trusts should also have been responsible for environmental remediation or demolition where need be in the out years. The profits are made and then the sructures are left to rot in the environment for everyone else to see for decades or more once the enterprise abandons ship. Instead everyone else is left with the burden and dealing with the "heat" today with a declining population in the third poorest city in the USA for issues that were arising 20,30 years ago already.

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" Are those heavily beaten industrial roads being crossed by rail and truck really tourist friendly? Would you call Ganson Street walkable? Is Ganson Street or any of them down there a tourist venue or an industrial one?"

Are they tourist friendly? Yes, The Buffalo HIking Group runs tours of the Industrial area of Buffalo several times a year and never had and problems?

Is Ganson St. walkable? Yes, if you use common sense and walk on the proper side of the street.

Is that area a tourist venue? ABSOLUTELY! On our tours we have had people from all over the place including PA, Toronto, Eastern NY. Some of our tours have had over 100 people. So I would say it is a tourist venue.

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Davvid..

Don't hold your breathe on UB's School of Architecture and Planning doing anything that doesn't result in them getting a paycheck. The Urban Design Project all the way down to research done by individual professors is done only when funds are provided. Studios for graudate students (ie, free work) is done on small scale projects that can be cranked out in one semester with little time for public outreach, external coordination and comprehensive design that encompasses more than just a specific site or small area.

Let's face it, Bob Shibley's glorious Urban Design Project is nothing more than a professional planning firm operating with cheap labor under Shibley's direction.

Ask UDP to step to the plate and do it for free. See how concerned they are then.

And I'll end with an "about time" on this demo.

The grain silos are the same as shovel ready sites.... they both exist within the pathetic political and economic structure of WNY and NYS. No matter you save or prepare, true change can never happen under current government structure.

So long as Byron Brown considers photo ops for pothole repair a good use of his time, we're doomed.

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I'm really not sure why the UDP is held in such high regard. I read the literature available on their site and I just don't see any outstanding ideas there.

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It's a bizzarro world when an object is built for function,
and in obsolescence, it's function is in being an object.

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Finally .... Sanity 1, Urban Blight 0.

There are far more worthy preservation projects on which to focus.

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For all the folks who can't picture these buildings being used for anything other than their original purpose, I will point to the Quaker Square Inn in Akron, Ohio. It has been successfully re-purposed TWICE!

First it was converted into a hotel, and in 2007 it was purchased by the University to be converted into dorm facilities. I've actually stayed there when it was a hotel, and it was a great re-use of the space. True, some preservationists may have a problem with the fact that holes had to be cut into the sides for balconies, but the rooms are quite comfortable and airy.

The Akron silo is in a fairly non-descript part of town, but imagine what could be done with the Buffalo silos given their proximity to downtown, the lake and the river. These buildings could be used as hotel space, dorms, apartments (and not just the fabled 'loft-style'), condos, office space, studio space... or even combinations of various uses to provide a work-play-live complex all in one property.

The former Fulton Cotton Mill in Atlanta has been turned into a similar complex, where suites can be used for residential, office, or commercial purposes... what was once a dowdy old set of warehouses is now thriving with apartments, stores, and small offices. It's almost a small city in itself due to the variety of tenants that have located there. One of the buildings has turned into an ecclectic mix of trendy shops, restaurants, small offices and condo units. Residents could easily live their entire lives without stepping foot outside of the building.


Ganson street does suffer from being poorly connected to the rest of the city, but may I remind everyone that the city is looking into new connections across the river. If the Kelly Island bridge is built, that would put the GLF within walking distance of downtown, metrorail and the outer harbor.

There is no reason for these silos to sit as abandoned, useless monuments. The property owners simply need to change their thinking from seeing them as a burden to be demolished, but instead an actual asset to be utilized.


http://photohome.com/photos/ohio-pictures/akron/quaker-square-1.html

http://photohome.com/photos/ohio-pictures/akron/quaker-square-2.html

http://www.ci.akron.oh.us/tour/QuakerSquare.htm

http://www.livefultoncottonmill.com/Apartments/module/photos/property%5Bid%5D/2916/

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Dean, thank you for that... I'm kicking myself for not thinking of it before, but Minneapolis took the ruins of the old Washburn 'A' Mill, and created the Mill City Museum WITHIN the ruins! There are other ruined mills in the immediate, including some right on the riverbank that were excavated in the past few years.

Considering that Buffalo was the ORIGINAL "Flour Milling Capital of the World" before the industry moved to Minneapolis, is there any reason we shouldn't showcase that part of our history as Minneapolis has? The Mill City Museum is something that they're quite proud of here. Buffalo's milling history obviously precedes that of Minneapolis.

The "building" they had to work with here was in far worse condition than what we have available in Buffalo.

Is this something that could be possible in Buffalo? Would a project like this be eligible for any "free" money from the State or Federal governments?

Is it an idea worth pursuing? No one else seems to be able to come up with anything...

This group on flickr is loaded with Mill City Pics, some during, and some after construction:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/mill_city_museum/pool/with/2258695816/

Can we try for troll-free discussion just once please?

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About time, keep this up and in another 100 years or so the waterfront will be attractive.

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Thank god. Hopefully they will eventually take down all the other ones. BTW they do not make this city "Unique" they make it look like a run down crap hole. There are bigger issues this city needs to worry about like taking care of the 10,000+ vacant homes and fixing the cities streets, planting trees etc. The faster these things are gone, the faster a tree will grow in its place. You can claim "Industrial" heritage all you want. I call it polution/blite/bad business, and just UGLY!

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You can't really call these buildings can you?? They're more simlar to the gas tanks they pull out of the ground when a gas station is demolished or similar too the industrial wreckage of Niagara Falls along Buffalo Ave(Chemical Factory Row) these "buildings" aren't similar to the Colosseum, or Eiffel Tower, PYRMAIDS or even the Statler for that matter...hahaha what an incredibly silly comment.

Funny thing is, you see these in the country every one in a while and they suffer the same fate...they're too expensive to demolish and too sturdy to fall over SO THEY JUST SIT THERE. I for one am kinda glad they built an elevated route 5...so it hides all this garbage.

Could you imagine the waterfront if you were walking along the harbor by the navel park..rode you bike to dugs dive and doing all of this while being eyeshot of this rusting/stinking/abandoned behemoths? You can't say it would be a good thing looking at rail yards and scrap heaps and abandoned grain elevators from the waterfront do you?

Inventory all of them...work with curently ownership..clean them up..seal them up..and demolish whats unsalvagagle. I'm only saying do this because it would probably cost less to clean/seal/paint them all then to demolish 1-2 of them.

Preservation or not..you cannot legitametly sit here and say its not an absolute joke coming down the thruway and seeing this wasteland. Embarassing is an understatement.

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Do any of you know what this looks like to a normal visitor from out of town?? (Not the 1 in 1000 industrial/ghetto urban explorer) They look HORRIBLE...they do more harm than help. Its things like this that stick in peoples minds on their way to Toronto, Niagara Falls, Cleveland, etc that makes them drive straight thru and not stop in buffalo @ all and never come back.

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If you're driving into Buffalo from south of the city, there's a lot more that makes the city look like crap than a few grain elevators. I can think of a neighborhood visible from the 90 coming in that way that could be replaced with a pile of rocks and gravel painted lime green and fuschia... it would be a major improvement.

If you want to see a city that really looks like crap, no matter which way you drive into it, give Gary, Indiana a try. That hellhole makes Buffalo look like the Garden of Eden.

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WINNING!

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I actually signed up for the sole purpose of commenting on this particular issue. For those of you who suggested UB's School of Architecture take on some sort of project to bring fresh ideas to the table for re-purposing of the elevators.....guess what, they did. Actually, I was a student in the school, and spent a semester coming up with ideas for re-use of the elevators with fellow students. Know what happened? Nothing. Our proposals went ignored, I project critique sessions were not RSVP'd by anyone involved with the properties/city/preservation committees. I actually presented some of the ideas to my step-grandfather who is quite wealthy....and he attempted to purchase the saskatchewan elevator for MORE than the property was apraised at, and they refused to sell to him due to his plans for the property. A few months later it was sold for LESS to someone politically involved. Go figure.

There are plenty of awesome and fresh ideas for re-use of these. The problem is the red tape involved politically, and the cost of getting an idea off the ground. Ever see an indoor skydiving system? that would fit the elevators PERFECTLY. If one of these could be renovated into some time of indoor activities complex it would bring fresh new things to do to the area so people can't keep complaining there isnt anything to do. Indoor rock climbing, indoor skydiving, Obstacle courses, rappelling, parkour.....so many activities could be put into just ONE of the buildings as one giant business. Christ, even skatepark type stuff.....Buffalo has a short summer, and creating a place where a ton of otherwise outdoor activites could be accomplished regardless of weather in an "indoor" complex could really do well I feel. Buffalo needs to stop relying on good food and neighborhood bars to keep people happy/occupied.

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Can I encourage you to dust off those plans and bring them to the Waterfront meeting next week? Fact is, there is a new vision, team and passion for the possibilities of the waterfront...which should absolutely include the reuse of the elevators.

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Yes, please bring them to that Waterfront meeting next week. I am very interested on what designs were created. There is definitely a new regime in place and a more passionate group who longs for a successful waterfront!

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Nick716...I hope you take Travelrrr up on the offer/request. It will take people like you and your step-grandfather to cut through the red tape and political BS. Cool ideas. Best of luck.

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Nick, welcome to the party. Very intriguing ideas.

What can regular people do to help get someone like you in front of someone that matters?

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BTW, as a side note to those who scoff at preserving, and finding new uses for our grain elevators. I could have sworn that our hometown is the BIRTHPLACE of the grain elevator:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jerrygodwinfoto/438156245/in/set-72157601950801121/

To me, that's more than enough reason to save as many of them as can be saved.

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honestly, all those plans and everything I worked on is long gone. I graduated in '08 from UB. My step-grandfatehr moved to florida and invested in condos instead. I am going to come to the meeting and see what kind of talk goes on to see what else I can do. I might start up a design group and try to come up with proposals of my own again just for fun and see what it leads to. Buffalo has so much untapped potential, it's really a shame that there is too much back-pocket politics going on that keeps a select few people's pockets full of money while the rest if us cry and beg for development and a more pleasant place to live and interact

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This decrepit, abandoned grain milling complex is a hideous eyesore that should have been completely demolished and cleared out long time ago. There is absolutely nothing historic, architecturally significant, and aesthetically beautiful about these grain elevators and adjoining milling and mixing buildings. It is a decaying slum and a safety hazard waiting for an accident to happen. Tim Tielman's lawsuit to stop the demolition for another study is idiotic and unnecessary. This man obviously has too much time on his hands. Not only should the most deteriorated GLF complex bee torn down, this entire complex of unused, unneeded grain elevators should face the wreckers ball. Enough of this nonsense in saving all these abandoned, decrepit, rat infested grain elevators. Get rid of them.

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