Real Estate February 12, 2011 8:55 AM

Meetings Set to Review Maryland/West Project

Meetings Set to Review Maryland/West Project

Anthony Lorusso's proposed apartment project at the corner of West Avenue and Maryland Street will be presented to the City Planning Board next Tuesday.  Neighbors will get a preview Monday night at the Hispanics United of Buffalo, 254 Virginia Street, at 6 PM.  The purpose of the Monday meeting will be solicit comments and answer questions on the revised site plan for Casa Serena at Maryland Place.  It will occupy the vacant Penn/Lama Advertising site.

In response to comments received about the original plans, the project has been downsized.  53 units are proposed down from an original 83.  According to a letter mailed to area homeowners:

"The Laundromat has been eliminated and improvements to the quality and aesthetics of the apartment building have been made.  Casa Serena will be a three-story apartment building with 53 units, adequate parking, and substantial green space."

casasiteplan.pngThe project now consists of one building fronting West Avenue.  The previous proposal had a second building at the corner of Maryland and West that is now "greenspace."  A small parking lot is located on West Avenue south of the apartment building while the main parking lot is accessed from Maryland Street.  There are no doors facing West Avenue.  James A. Rumsey is project architect.

Rents in the $5.2 million project are projected to range from $675 for a one-bedroom to $1,100 for the larger units.

 

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"improvements to the quality and aesthetics of the apartment building have been made"

Does this mean it looked even worse than before? I'm all for development especially if it means potentially bringing more people into the city, but does it mean we have to get cheap looking suburban-type buildings to do so?

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How much money do you want the developers to spend on a building that is only going to bring in $675 a month.

I understand it is not a good looking building but the market really does not allow for money in the budget to make it look much better.


People need to make up their mind on what they want. If you want high end/luxury housing...deal with people not being able to afford it. If you want average joe housing...it looks like this.

People also need to look at the houses around this project before they complain about the look. While the yards are clean and home kept up, they are modest. Why would a developer dump money into a project that they will never be able to recover.

replied to Mike Puma
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I didn't mean to say the homes in the area are comparable to say the Delaware Ave mansions, but considering the breadth of different architectural styles in the surrounding neighborhood I believe from a design stand point that looking towards the other buildings for inspiration could go a long way. It would be impractical for a developer to invest more than he can make on a return of course. Overall it's not a terrible design the things that make it not great overall is that it is a large wall-like design with no street facing entrances on West Ave. It almost seems to say the building wants nothing to do with the neighborhood and appears uninviting and uninteresting.

Simply adding a few entrances to the front with perhaps a simple aesthetic such as an arched doorway or faux classical style columns flanking the entrance including a breaking up of the bulk appearance of the facade could be a cheap and large improvement. The building does not really fit the fabric of the neighborhood and nothing seems less inviting than no primary entrance points on the main facade.

I personally like the balconies and especially the way the parking is configured to be somewhat hidden from the street. Only a few small aesthetic improvements can change the whole character of the building and make it feel more natural in the surrounding context of architectural styles. It does not have to drive up costs...

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Thanks, Mike, I didn't want to be the first one to deliver a negative response, lest I want to be labeled Debbie Downer again....

Yes, atrocious. God, we cannot have a design/zone code in place soon enough. Do these developers/architects (who IS this architect????) have any sense/understanding/appreciation for what is suburban vs urban living? This looks so, so cheap-the neighborhood deserves better, and I hope they fight it tooth and nail.

Here are some urban designs for the developer--study up: www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=urban+architecture+designs&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=hplWTfDGBcXTgQewrNXEDA&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CDkQsAQwAw&biw=1211&bih=614

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I'm usually not a debbie downer haha, but I do believe in good design, I mean why not think of including a retail portion on the first floor for a small grocery store component? Maybe try to tie into the existing architecture of the area in small ways instead of modeling developments on things commonly found on long stretches of road in Amherst? Things like that

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there is so much surface parking and other wasted space the building is going to look like it is in the middle of orchard park or williamsville...

this is awful

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I think this looks like a good project, not sure why they had to loose the laundromat though. I lived not to far from here and had to walk my laundry over to Niagara to use the laundromat. What is with the weird gable roofs. How about just creating a small vertical height change between segments instead of those odd gable roofs that just shed water onto the adjacent flat roof.

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If you look at the side views, they're not even roofs. They're just weird triangular parapets.

I can't really find much to love about a building that has no front door, but just a couple of side doors that look like they should be the emergency exits, not the main entrances.

replied to sbrof
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good catch... I didn't realize that. At least since the roof is all one plane it saves them money for construction and maintenance of it. But Still does not make it a good design, just a cheap one.

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UGLY.
I would never pay $1,100 to live in something like that. Why cant he rehab the beautiful, vacant red brick building on Virginia street, near Niagara street?

something like this belongs in the burbs... not the west side.


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I wonder how difficult it would be to design the exterior to look like a series of brownstones, like you would see on a residential block in Manhattan....

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There are no doors out to the street, only to some side sidewalk that leads to the parking lot... that seems like a worse urban design issue than most other points.

As for the amount of parking; it is probably in the 1950's zoning code. At the same time the design of this lot is 1000x better than most other development projects. It only has one driveway and would easily be tucked away if development happened at the corner \ east of the lot. Look at the long blocks of parking that D'Youville has create, those are bad designs. This is actually the ideal way to design parking into neighborhoods because it is quickly walked by and wouldn't create a long dead zone.

As for 'modern' architecture... I think much of it is over-rated and nothing but a flashy recreation of the modern movement. And would probably look nice but would be just as bad for the urbanity of the neighborhood as a strip plaza.

Put a couple doors to the West Street, ditch the gables, maybe add in some detail along the cornice line, whether it is an actual cornice or a change in height with the different colored segments of the building and it would be a very good project for this neighborhood.

They might also want to rethink the idea of having parking on both flanks of the building. I can see people cutting through one lot to the other behind this building to cut the corner... Not going to be good for safety of the residents or the cars by having people walk through the property like that.

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WCP, Are you sure you've got the right images? Isn't this the new hotel on Main at Summer?

I agree the previous comments. This a wretched design. The only redeeming part are the side elevations, which reflect the design of existing three and four story apartment buildings in the City.

And why include a made up street "Maryland Place" in the name. It just sows confusion and suggests the Developers don't like the existing neighborhood.

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The corner green space and subtraction of the laundromat have certainly detracted from what previously looked like smart infill. Better than a vacant lot but it could be better.

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Do these look like boxes of Animal Cookies to anyone else?

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It seems like there are more parking spots than bedrooms? I almost never comment on design but this does nothing for improving the image of the neighborhood. They should ditch the fake gable roofs, the terrible brick band and add a decorative brick cornice along the entire roof line. There is no reason these can't look like the block of buildings on Delaware where Stillwater Restaurant is located. A commercial building on the corner pushed to the curb with a laundromat would fill that space nicely. Much like the corner bodega a block over.

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Time to start thinking bigger, Buffalo. We have tremendous history in top-class architecture, which should not be muddied with crappy, cheap new designs. Let's demand more from these developers.

www.newhouseofart.com/commercial+building+exterior+design.html

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I just have to comment again...

As a resident of Allentown and looking/wanting to buy a house in the West side I can honestly say that this does absolutely nothing to enhance the area. The people who are attracted to the west side love it because of the rough yet beautiful urban settings and architecture that is unlike anything else in the city.

I agree with travelrrr - someone needs to start thinking out of the box here. I would rather see 50 houses bought and rehabbed than new development that looks like this OR build it on the corner- row house style like Delaware/Virginia.

Sorry to get all crazy on here but this is way to close for comfort.

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Looks ghetto.

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I kind of like it. Cool mod design.

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I really don't care for the ugly squares and glass of 'urban architecture' especially in buffalo, but this isn't much better. I think the more interesting thing however is the lack of door on the street and he high brick front make this more like an suburban styled fortress so people can live in the city without being part of it.

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It is certainly better than the blight currently on that block.

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What "blight"? It is a field with a beautiful brick home standing. There is no blight, and development for development's sake is not justification for a crappy design.

replied to Pegger
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How are is it to build a brick building? Basic brick buildings don't go out of style (unless they are blue). In a part of the city where this building really has to blend in, it is a sad attempt.

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I wonder about this project. I believe a good predictor of this project's success would be a comparison with how the rehabbed apartment house at 250 Virginia St is working out. That project was finished in the Fall and I wasn't impressed by the exterior portion of the rehab. The exterior brick needs to be cleaned up. Otherwise,the rents are in the same range and I have no idea what the interior renovations are like or how occupancy is going. Does anyone know how 250 Virginia is working out so far?

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About 2 months ago they were still installing the heating systems and the walls were not up yet. The apartments are nice and simple. It has taken a long time but I think it's mainly because of the funding sources and the preservation board.

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There is really no excuse for this mess. Good architecture which contributes positively to the urban environment is not that hard. You can't really even give the this the compliment of describing it as architecture because it is lacking the elements of architecture. very very sad that this even sees the light of day.

The city would be much better off leaving this parcel vacant at this point.

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So I'm going to guess you don't like it then?

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The good:
-Decent quality new builds will be a nice addition to the nieghborhood.

-Actually building on one of Buffalo's tradmarked Shovel Ready Sites

The mixed bag:
-Having parking along the back and off the street is great. Having it accessible via maryland is also great, as west can get congested

-More than 1:1 parking won't be needed in this area, especially with street parking. Its one of the most walkable areas,with a grocery store 4 blocks away, allentown the other direction, and only 3 blocks from downtown. On top of that, its on a bus route,and only a few blocks away from two others. If they plan on eventually building out on the "green space", then I'll withdraw this criticism

-Which brings me to the green space. A pocket park or new build would both be suitable on the parcel thats (only) along marland, but the corner really should be built on. Community objection to comerical space on the first plan was ridiculous, considering there are corner businesses all over the west side(and the rest of Buffalo), including the other corners at that intersection!

-The architecture seems suitable. Far from remarkable,but not objectionable either.

The bad:
A long brick wall along west isn't acceptable. Putting in a few alternate entrances along this side would go a long way.

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This is not only a terrible design, but also a terrible project, and a terrible developer (with a bad rep, as I understand it -- someone please correct me if I'm wrong). This is how projects in the city happen when development gets driven primarily by developers (and even housing development organizations) in partnership with the City rather than by neighborhood-based vision and planning. Especially imposed in very low-income neighborhoods.

As a west side resident who passes this site almost daily, I say this should be opposed.

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Nice architecture and design does not have to be expensive.
Back to the drawing board, please.

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stop whining : I live in Toronto and we build the same "crap" but's it's economical , rentable and brings synergy and density to the city of Buffalo; or is this something u guys don't need?

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Looks like it's been tabled until environmental reports are completed.

http://www.buffalonews.com/city/communities/north-buffalo-hertel/article342294.ece

"The Planning Board is awaiting environmental reports. But Planning Board Vice Chairwoman Cynthia A. Schwartz made it clear that she doesn't like the building's design, calling it a "very suburban apartment complex."

"This building looks like it was picked up on Sheridan Drive and plunked into this neighborhood," she said.

Board member Susan Curran Hoyt agreed, warning that the design could hurt a neighborhood that is "trying very hard to reinvent itself."

"I really believe that this is inconsistent and out of scale with the neighborhood," she said."
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"Attorney Marc A. Romanowski disclosed that the building would house a small art gallery and a community meeting room, but he said it will have no commercial tenants."

The art gallery almost makes up for the head scratching lack of commercial space.


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I found this site over the weekend: http://www.boicevillecottages.com/
Love this idea- vs. the one presented! these small cottages can even be two story/two family versions.

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