City February 16, 2011 1:18 PM

Larry Quinn... can be very lonely at the top.

Larry Quinn... can be very lonely at the top.
BRO reader submission by Charles Gordon:
 
I would like to reflect on Larry Quinn's long time public and private sector leadership role pending his retirement after more than 30 years of commitment to improving our City.  As a long time close friend, I hesitated to join the fray.  He wouldn't really like it.  But his unique qualities and ability to capture the ear of many of this region's business leaders by speaking out, has inspired me to sound out too.
 
Quinn's long time commitment to Buffalo, his vision par excellence, his rare ability to act decisively, and his courage to stick his neck out have enabled him to reinvent himself many times to the benefit of our community.  Tom Golisano, Seymour Knox, and former Mayor Jimmy Griffin (to name a few) all recognized a unique combination of insight, vision and intellect in Larry and allowed him to shepherd projects that made Buffalo better.  HSBC Arena, the Irish Classical Theater, the Hauptman-Woodward Institute.  All got built on time and under budget in no small part due to Quinn.  Mr. Golisano would surely agree that part of his decision to purchase the Buffalo Sabres was credited to Larry's encouragement and confidence that the purchase would be an excellent investment in both the City of Buffalo and in Mr. Golisano's financial health. 
 
Of course Larry has made some errors along the way, and he got in peoples' faces too.  He's a human being.  I certainly haven't been spared Larry's grueling critiques, many warranted--a few not.  But often times the best decisions are neither the most popular nor the kind that spare fragile feelings and egos. 
 
Time will tell about his legacy on the Inner Harbor, but Canalside, for which in his role he has been heavily criticized, he has also shown his unique skills.  These include understanding and analyzing very complex issues, his ability to adapt on a dime to changing conditions, the talent to think outside the box and to express candidly a valid though unpopular opinion when others were fearful.  The precision and simplicity of his words during interviews always made his positions perfectly clear.  And perhaps that frightened some foes that feared Larry's agenda.  An agenda which was never hidden, but laid directly on the table for all to see quite clearly.  Our Community desperately needs individuals who demonstrate leadership qualities, and often take unpopular positions... to sometimes work outside the system to accomplish goals
 
Remember how successful the Bills of the early 90's were year after year??? Marv Levy was often commended on the how well his "system" worked year in and year out. To this day I relish his response:  It's not the systems....  It's great Players making great plays....
 
This is a very smart man who worked hard, made his own breaks, impressed upon smart and powerful community leaders again and again, and who has paid his dues for many years.  He didn't just land on top.  He got there a few times, fell down, and climbed back up again.  His generational success is no accident.  Quinn's longevity and his achievements lie in his strong vision, commitment to decisive action, and impatience with the Status Quo.
 
Yes he stepped on some toes along the way--I remember how my feet hurt.
 
We wish him well.
 
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Losing Larry Quinn is a massive loss for Buffalo, especially in terms of developing the waterfront.

He is nothing short of a visonary who had the drive to propose new, exciting projects. Sure some ideas were a little out there and some weren't all that great. But, losing him will inevitibly allow jerks like Tim Tielman to get their way in getting poor projects approved and built - like a temporary tent city rather than a true entertainment/retail foothold in the Canalside district.

Larry will be missed as a forerunner in the fight to get Buffalo back on top.

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Oh right-Larry sure got a LOT done with that waterfront. The Tielman-Goldman group are just about the first to ACTUALLY get an achievable project plan conceptualized and put forth. Larry couldn't seem to get past a retailer saving Buffalo's downtown. I wont speak to the rest of his accomplishments, as I am sure they are there, but the canal side has been a disaster under Larry's watch.

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Its because of Tielman and Goldman that nothing has been done. They are standing into the way all progress on the waterfront.

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And that is all Larry Quinn's fault? How many politicians have put their noses into this? Or the common council? Nothing gets done down by the waterfront because everyone thinks they have the best idea ever created and politics screws it up every time.

Same thing with the casino. Build the darn thing. If people don't like casino's then dont go to it, but it will be another attraction downtown and something to draw people to that area that is empty unless an event is at the HSBC arena

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I have nothing against Quinn. But urban planning and community process are not his strengths.

A lot of time was wasted at the Canal because of a poor plan that just didn't make sense, and the community didn't want. Yet Quinn kept pushing it until it just collapsed.


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Tielman and Goldman have worked tirelessly to promote the city, with many successes to show for their efforts. To suggest otherwise is just ridiculous.


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Really? Hit me with a quick list of projects they have completed....................

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I certainly can't say everything they've done is wrong, or that they don't occasionally get something right, I have little respect for people who regularly and openly advocate the abuse of the legal system for their own ends.

Holding things up in court for months on end with frivolous lawsuits, making it too expensive for a developer to develop his own property because it doesn't fit your view of how it should be developed is just wrong imo.

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Goldman ran his rat infested, drug emporium on Chippewa st into the ground. many ideas but no ability to get anything done. He is an academic not an doer. I certainly think folks like Tim and Mark should be at the table but the table needs to be balanced by other interests...Business.

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And these successes are?

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BurchJP wrote:

"Really? Hit me with a quick list of projects they have completed...................."

Tim Tielman's lawsuit against NYS secured the funding for the Richardson site.
His advocacy for the canal district prevented a fake canal with metal walls 50 ft away from being built, and instead forced the State to unearth the original canal.
His defiance of Cash Cunningham 15 years ago prevented Cunningham fro tearing down the Squire mansion on Main St and instead renovate it.
Tim organized the neighbors around the Jersey St stables and prevented the City from demolishing it.

Most people in this community have recognized that Preservation our Historic Buildings in Buffalo is key to growth, tourism and quality of life.
These are just from memory!
No one has stood for Preservation more than Tim Tielman.

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Funny how your list has a lot to do with preventing....lol

Where are the millions that his ideas have injected into our economy....where are the 100's of jobs he has helped to create..... goose egg.

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Ding Ding Ding we have a winner!

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Preservation is important, but so is Progress. We need both.

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How so? His lawsuit secured funding? that suggestion is laughable.

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World Juniors, Winter Classic.....saving the sabres, attempting to renovate downtown canalside..... These are things that one man has done....

Tielman and Goldman want appropriate street lights and to paint murals on old grain towers....

There is NO comparison between Quinn and these other two that everyone loves....

With that said quinn's demise was too much hope in Bass pro...If Canal side was already finished no one would have complained.....it took to long for him

I also don't think we've seen the last of Larry Quinn.... There is something very addicting to this place that keeps so many interested.

Historical accuracy and artistic creativity have a place in Buffalo's rehab... but they will NEVER make significant impact into the economy or bring people to live downtown.

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There wouldn't be an Erie Canal harbor without Tielman. And there wouldn't be a Chippewa Street without Goldman.

You can also credit the Cobblestone District to Tielman, who personally led the re-installation of the cobblestone streets that the city ripped out.

Tielman has also been heavily involved with the resurgent Larkin District and has battled with the Peace Bridge folks to preserve the west side.

These guys have given their lives to the city and don't deserve to be dumped on.

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Umm Brian Higgins secured the funds for the waterfront (wah wah wah). Cobblestone streets have nothing to do with the resurgence of the Cobblestone District, and everything to do with HSBC Arena (double wah wah wah). The Larkin district was all private development which I have followed quite closely and I never remember hearing Tim Tielman's name? Ps does Tim Tielman have an actual job?

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"Wha wha?" Dude how old are you, 10?

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Goldman hates what Chippewa is....that's why he is leaving.

And as far as the Erie canal harbor....what are you talking about.... There is nothing there except a few cobblestone streets and some grass. I'm sorry, I want hundreds of jobs and steady revenue... I want an Buffalo Harbor that's something special and beneficial to the area, economically speaking.

Sorry, Quinn may have had is vices but you just can't compare his track record to these other guys.

With that said I think Quinn is a better businessman then manager of a Hockey team, his time was over with the sabres.

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You really have to question Tielmans motives. Got a foundation (that is suppose to help the poor) give him 8k just so he could drive his little yellow shool bus with the top chopped off. Didn’t say a word when a civil war era farmhouse in Allentown (A national historic preservation district) was torn down to expand a printing business. Why? Makes on wonder?

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"Got a foundation (that is suppose to help the poor) give him 8k just so he could drive his little yellow shool bus with the top chopped off."

Who says foundations only "suppose" to help the poor?
They also give to history, architecture, tourism and culture. The school bus covers all of these bases.
You don't know what you're talking about.

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Jonny-you are pretty darn clueless. The open air bus is one of Buffalo's greatest visitor attractions AND attractions for locals; few people know our history, particularly as it relates to architecture, like Tim Tielman.

And, since when is the Wendt's mission to focus on the poor?

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You got to be kidding me. LOL. One of Buffalo's greatest attractions. It looks like something You would see propped up on blockes in appalacia. Oh, thats right, The last time people were in Buffalo it wasn't Albright-Knox, nor Niagara Falls, It was the School Bus they wanted to see. Oh, I get it this is a joke and you're working on a skit for SNL.

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Why don't you make up some more stories. The money for the restoration of the streets was from Higgins efforts. The installation was overseen by ECHDC.

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Sayonara Quinn.

I don't care if the guy built an inter-stellar transporter on the waterfront, using private funds, and with a platinum LEED certification. I was done with this guy long ago. How this guy made any hockey operation decisions at all for a professional hockey team at the highest level is baffling. Business, meh, ok. But hockey? Come on.

It shouldn't surprise me that there are so many Quinn backers, sad as it may be.

Enjoy your retirement. Stay retired.

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Maybe some of the posters are too young to remember what chippewa st. was like before mark goldman stuck his neck out and bought a building there?

Did anybody attend the aspirations/inspirations forum put together by the goldman bros.-which, imo, put forth the only viable plan for retail on the waterfront? (also see bini's post in a previous br article on the waterfront).

Anybody read the lquinn artvoice interview? Anybody remember the county-wide poll about the basspro project?(results posted by starbuck on the buffalo pundit blog). After digesting these, who still thinks of lquinn as a visionary with the interests of the local citizenry foremost in his "vision"?

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Thank you for your service Mr. Quinn

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I certainly didn't mean to pin Goldman and Tielman as the two people to single-handedly stall the Canalside project, just as Larry certainly had his hands in pushing for a project that wasn't going to help (Bass Pro). But, I can assure you he knows that painting murals on decaying grain silos is not the solution to drawing people downtown.

As for his involvment in hockey decisions, it speaks for itself. I'm fairly certain everyone could identify that he shouldn't have been involved in that aspect of the Sabres.

But I will again say it and Urban seems to understand my point here, as does Burch; Quinn had the foresight to dream big because he knew there needed to be more than just a boardwalk to look at the water. That is why he will be missed.

Add to that some of the things that Tielman has on his blog aren't all that terrible, while others don't make very much sense to me. So its not to say that some of the things he is pushing for aren't going to work. But thinking that the entire city needs to look as it did in 1873 is beyond asinine.

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You know when you have guys like Bob Rich writing editorials in the Buffalo News, you'd think some of you would stand up and notice and make a few inferences about what it means for Buffalo's future. Instead you have pats on the back for a couple old time Buffalo guys, people who's plan is to basically put up tents and hire hot dog vendors, I think or something similar. So that's progress for the waterfront and you can all blame Larry Quinn your hot dog carts and beer tents didn't come sooner.

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In all sincerity, what has Bob Rich done besides being born to Bob Rich? How am I supposed to respond to his op-ed in the News supporting his longtime friend?

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Well I like Baseball, and one of the greatest things to do in Buffalo for the last 20+ years is to go down to Pilot Field and watch a game. Bills and Sabres owners have a lot to learn from him on how to treat a City.

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Okay, but the Bisons existed and were here before Bob Rich had anything to do with them and he didn't build Pilot Field. Also, it's good to meet one of the hundreds of people who frequent Bisons games.

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did anyone else misread the author's name as charles grodin?

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Urban Cowboy said
"Where are the millions that his ideas have injected into our economy....where are the 100's of jobs he has helped to create..... goose egg"

How about the 4000 people coming here for the National Trust for Historic Preservation Conference.

And yes, Governor Pataki authorized the $100,000,000 appropriation for the Richardson Complex after the law suit was filed....What do you think precipated this action?

Where are the 100's of jobs from Larry Quinn? Bass Pro?...he let 2 slip away...Briere and Drury

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He managed to convince a man named Tom Golisano to buy a bankrupt team, turned it into a profitable franchise, and sold it to an owner that desires to win a cup. The saving of that franchise single-handily out ways anything that any opponent you wish to bring against him has done.

And bringing a man like Terry Pegula into the Buffalo area is also equally awesome. Buffalo needs new input, ideas, and affluence. I'm not saying Quinn was a GOD and honestly I wasn't ever a big fan, but he was dedicated to making Buffalo a better place (nationally/economically)and for that reason he deserves to be appreciated.

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4,000 for one conference. How many 100,000's attend Sabers games in the course of a year. Which one do you think is the greater job generator. Thank You Larry.

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That's the funny part..... So many people care about street lights and the accuracy of the "waterways" but no one realizes that this is one of the last, if not the last shot at rebuilding downtown.

Would BassPro really have been that bad???? Signing a 20 year lease, bringing 300 jobs min(its a guesstimate) itself, bringing 1000's of people downtown from out of town for its own sole purpose.... and combining that flow of people to many other shops and hotels... Im sorry, but if you dont think thats better then murals and an accurate tow-path, then you have a few screws loose.

I'm thinking big people. Not some small time Buffalo ideas, but big ideas. City-saving Ideas. While I love the history of our great city, I dam well rather have its rebirth begin on the canalside, then historically accurate park benches.

But don't worry, someone is going to respond to me on here saying that having a grassy park with some pop-up vendor tents and a solar merri-go-round is best possible solution for the re-birth of downtown.

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Bass Pro had plenty of opportunity to be on the watefront.. in the aud several years ago or in the revised aud block plan. they just never signed on and we never heard of another retailer that was interested...Benderson never stepped up to the plate. It was just bass pro. hardly a big idea..just a store offered a huge public handout that it never took. sad if that was to be the basis of a rebuilt downtown.

I don't love or hate Larry Quinn. I respect him and as far as the waterfront goes, i have no idea whether things would be better or worse now if he was not a part of it.

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I take exception with people implying that all of those who didn't support Bass Pro on the waterfront are pro "pop-up vendor tents", a "solar merri-go-round", and "a grassy park" as the end-all of this project. If I'm not mistaken, the revised plan (that Goldman was championing) looks pretty similar to the old plan minus Bass Pro. And what is so wrong with integrating Buffalo's history into the project? If you're going to do it, why not make the project an authentic bridge to the city's past, rather than some Disneyland attraction? It's about making it a real part of the city - and it would add another dimension to the project (and bring in more people). I realize all these arguments have been rehashed over and over again for years and years, but I just wanted to throw out that all those who were against Bass Pro aren't just for windswept fields and interpretive signs. We need businesses down there and I'm not even saying that Bass Pro would have been a failure - we will never know. I will say though that over the last thirty or forty years Buffalo has had a lot of "last shot" moments, and time after time we've put our faith in big, one-shot, city changing moves that haven't panned out. If history has taught us anything it should be that building something big just for the sake of building something big and new isn't always the best solution.

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Very well said. I agree about the historic portion of it. I really do want it to be authentic. I don't really have a problem with the new design and it is Bass Pro's fault that this whole thing took this long.

I just don't think that men who use lawsuits as means of getting their way should be glorified. Goldman and friends should be included in discussion if they'd like, we all should be able to be involved to a certain degree, but when something isn't exactly what they want, lawsuit becomes the next step and that is not how ANY progress is made and that prevents outside investment from coming to this city.

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i can think of a whole lot of lawsuits that should have been filed and were not. like halting the destruction of humboldt parkway for the 198. like building ub out in the amherst swamps. like tearing down the erie county savings bank, not to mention the larkin building. like pretty much all of "urban renewal."

sure, no one is entitled to get their way 100% of the time. but in america, the courts are a lever that private citizens can and should use when a public process is broken, is likely to do more harm than good, or has been rigged to benefit private interests over the public interest. having your day in court is a right and freedom that no one should condemn or surrender.

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So three projects in 60 years are a lot more huh? Lets take a look at all the projects that should have been done that lawsuits stalled in the past 5 years. Never mind the negative buisness attitude that they create for business looking to move DT. Perfect example of this is Geico, look at them filling up their buisness park location in Amherst. Imagine if their hundreds of jobs were DT. I've heard from many people that Geico wanted nothing to do with the politics of DT Buffalo.

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I'd agree that the litigious nature of a certain segment of our population creates an uncertainty that a business can't easily account for (or buy insurance against to mitigate), and all other things being equal, would cause some to flee to other areas where cost are more certain.

Having your day in court may be your right, but it has a cost. Not only in preventing the project you despise this week, but the one you might adore next month.

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Geico was going to be downtown? I have a hard time believing they even considered it. Is there anything else on your list?


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Thats the point, they never considered exploring the option because they wanted nothing to do with Buffalo Politics.

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Amen grad.

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Lots of armchair quarterbacks throwing stones in their glass castle on this thread.

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Maybe if he could've ironed his shirt for this photo there wouldn't be so much stone throwing. I bet Chris Lee would've ironed his shirt for a photo, if he were to wear a shirt that is.

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Ps-and the apparent sweetheart deal for the Benderson schlocks smells to high heaven. Ready the article in today's Snews.

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Maybe you should read the article, or did you miss the part where it says "the review isn't a sign that Empire State Development necessarily thinks there's a problem with Benderson's initial selection in 2007 or the successor agreement being negotiated"

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I have been trying to avoid this thread like the plaque, because i am such a huge Sabres fan, and i just cannot look past the EPIC FAIL of letting Danny Brier and Chris Drury walk out the door. Not to mention the "Buff-a-Slug" and "Demented Goat".

This guy though cannot be judged on his success or failures. He is a lesson in temporance, you cannot have or do it all well. Something will suffer, i.e. Canal Side, or not recongonizing that Darcy Regier is the worst GM in the history of the Sabres.

I am unfamiliar with his exploits in the Griffin administration, nor the political lift it took to get the Arena built, but his recent past has not been all that positive. I do hope that he goes away for a year or two, let that huge paycheck collect interest and comeback to Buffalo and build a great building to himself, by a great international architect, in canalside.

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