City February 25, 2011 12:30 AM

Common Council to Feds: Prioritize People Not the Plaza Please!

Common Council to Feds: Prioritize People Not the Plaza Please!

On Thursday, three members of Buffalo's Common Council majority spoke out about proposed Federal budget cuts and, as they believe, misplaced federal priorities.  Specifically, the proposed federal budget would slash funding for programs essential to city residents, such as HEAP (which helps low income households pay heat and utility bills) and Community Development Block Grants (CDBG), as well as the Great Lakes Restoration Initiative (GLRI).  At the same time that these cuts are on the table, at least one member of the federal delegation continues to fight to secure funding for a dubious project to replace much of a west side waterfront neighborhood with a truck plaza for the sole use of the Peace Bridge.

These priorities are totally upside down, the councilmembers said today.  "We're here to ask federal representatives to support the residents who need help the most."

Earlier this month, Common Council approved the CDBG budget.  Today, they expressed concern about how City services would be affected if funding is slashed.  "Cuts to CDBG mean cuts to housing demolition, street and sidewalk paving, the Clean & Seal program, and planning," Rivera explained.  "At the very time we're undertaking a major transformation of our City's zoning code, we need the planning department to be well-funded and secure."

The councilmembers also stated that cuts to HEAP and the Great Lakes Restoration Fund would have detrimental effects on the City of Buffalo and the Western New York region.  They took exception to recent statements by Congressman Higgins that "huge pots of money" are available for funding the stalled and problematic Peace Bridge plaza expansion -- but not for CDBG, HEAP, and GLRI (Great Lakes Restoration Initiative).

"We need our representatives to fight for the City and the region's best interest, and to stand with the people," said Delaware District Councilman Michael LoCurto.  "We have residents literally under threat of being left out in the cold, and key city services at risk of being defunded."

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Niagara District Councilman David Rivera, whose district and constituents would be directly impacted by the proposed Peace Bridge plaza expansion, added, "the economic case for the plaza expansion has not been sufficiently made.  After all these years, there are still lots of doubts and questions about the expansion project.  We should not be focusing on it, rather than the seniors and families who are faced with the loss of critical services such as home heating assistance.  To fight for an ill-conceived and ill-planned plaza, while cutting HEAP, is not a good idea."

Council President David Franczyk underscored that, saying, "A parking lot for trucks?  Tearing down a viable neighborhood for trucks?  I will never support that."  "Pushing for that, and not these other programs, isn't what our congressional delegation should be doing," he added.

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Franczyk, who represents the Fillmore District, also echoed concerns about cuts to CDBG, HEAP, and GLRI.  The Great Lakes Restoration Initiative funds, he said, should be a natural priority for all Western New York leaders.  "We have an unprecedented opportunity to clean up our greatest natural resources: our lakes and rivers," he said.  "That's what we should be spending 'huge pots of money' on."  He also pointed out that the Great Lakes have 22% of world's potable water.  "Our future is in our water.  Congress should focus on things that strengthen us, not hurt us.  GLRI is critical, in that our freshwater lakes are critical in the future of the northeast."  "We should focus on creating a rising tide to lift all boats, rather than knocking holes in others' boats," he added in reference to recent events in Wisconsin.

In response to a question about the continued viability and priority of the Peace Bridge project, given a decreasing traffic trend in the last decade, Rivera made clear his frustration with the situation.  "We've been trying to find out about this, and it's been going on for twelve to fifteen years.  Why is this still on the table, when it's against interests of people in the neighborhood?  We want them to take a look at the environmental impacts of the plaza.  [Federal-level officials] say they don't have money for HEAP, yet they're scrounging for money to pay for this plaza.  I don't think our residents are being seen as a priority."

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"Recently, we were told there were no funds for projects on the northern border.  Then, not long after, we hear from the Congressman that there are "huge pots of money" for the plaza project.  But the numbers for economic impact are not there.  And there are a number of questions that haven't been answered.  When there's a multi-billion-dollar federal deficit, to spend money on a project we don't think is a priority is not a good idea.  We don't think it's a priority at this point, and it may not be in the future.  We need to look at it as a regional issue -- we need to be looking at the whole Niagara border all the way to Lewiston-Queenston.  Look at traffic flow and these other issues regionally.  But to continue to try to find money where there's no money is irresponsible."

In talking about the background and importance of the CDBG program, Franczyk had a moment of personal nostalgia relating how he was present, as a young community organizer working for CETA, when the program was rolled out in 1974.

"Everyone met at the Lincoln Academy on Broadway, at least 400 people, and there was tremendous enthusiasm.  All of our Federal representatives were there--and we need them engaged now.  Block grants go into areas of highest poverty.  It is used for local priorities, such as repairing or demolishing buildings, jobs programs, etc.  It helped people get involved in serving the community."

Franczyk went back even further with the historic foundations of CDBG.  "Roosevelt had direct aid to cities, which was later discontinued.  CDBG began in 1974, under President Nixon, and was a recognition by the federal government that they have a role to play in keeping cities strong.  We wouldn't need it if cities were as strong as in the 1950s, but they aren't.  That was partly due to the interstate highway program building highways into cities, ironically making it easier for people to leave cities."

"Congress shouldn't focus on giving tax breaks to billionaires, at the expense of our cities," Franczyk concluded.

In addition to Higgins, Council is appealing to the entire congressional delegation, including U.S. Representative Louise Slaughter, and Senators Charles Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand.

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Let's give Higgins another project to hitch his name to, so that he can feel comfortable letting this one die. Truly, this is one of the most absurd, wasteful and destructive uses of funds I have seen in a long, long time and I find his position on this almost pathological (ie, despite most of the facts that point in the inverse, he continues to try to push this project forward) and certainly negligent.

If we look at the facts, and the facts alone, traffic on the Peace Bridge is down to pre-NAFTA (1994) levels across the board - and almost 50% (2010) at the Ambassador Bridge (North America's busiest border crossing). (For those interested, join "There Is No Traffic on the Peace Bridge", which monitors the traffic on the PB, on Facebook and see for yourselves). Also, join "Homes near the Peace Bridge" on FB if you want to tie in to the local movement to fight this.

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Take Franczyk's silly class warfare soundbite away. Other than that, how much opposition to this stupid project do we need to register before our benevolent authorities figure out that it's a bad idea?

Handing "free" money to cities is a stupid idea too.

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The big lie out there is that people actually use the Peace Bridge. A majority of people crossing the bridge from Canada turn around right after they cross the flag section, then they make a u-turn before the customs booths. The numbers are incredibly artificially inflated. Same with the trucks. The real numbers are about half. We don't even need a bridge. We should be advocating the tearing down the Peace Bridge. Keep those foreigners out anyway. The truth is we do not need Canada, the old bridge, or a new one. We can self-destruct fine and well enough, we don't need Canadians watching it.

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Sounds like Monster and Charlie Sheen are on the same meds.

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Is anyone arguing for a well designed plaza if the expansion does happen? It might not be a good strategy to put all of your eggs in the resistance basket.

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I second the redesign, I never got why this wasn't designed to go over Front Park rather then the homes. They government already owns the park, so it doesn't need to kick anyone out, and putting the bridge over it removes the need for the city the maintain and pay for it while handing it over to the Feds. It seems really clear to me thats the way too go if your going to build this thing.

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All the houses X'ed slated for demo are run down multiple units that are blight to that commuunity.

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Actually, this is a false statement.

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Ever drive down columbus north of vermont? I think that section looks like a dump, but as always only Steel's opinions can be true statements. He deems a new building built in the city that looks "suburban" to be ugly, I guess that is a factual statement. I wasnt aware an opinion could be false.

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Much of the "blight" has been caused recently by the possibility of the Peace Bridge expansion. Would you put paint, shingles, etc on a house that would be torn down soon after?

All the more reason to declare this misguided project dead instead of looking for non-existent funding. There are plenty of other needs in WNY than a frivolous piece of infrastructure.

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You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Several of my friends' homes are in that area and they are gorgeous and well-cared for. Did you happen to see some of them in the SPREE magazine photo-essay last Fall? Besides, I have a few crappy absentee-owner homes near my home (closer to D'Youville) and, even though they are unsightly, it doesn't mean I'd want them replaced with an on-ramp, parking lot or Duty-Free store. What's next door and up-wind to where you live, Mr Mullet?

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Do they own homes north of vermont on columbus or elsewhere in that neighborhood? I am only talking about the homes on columbus north of vermont none other. Yes I did read the Spree article, I am a subscriber, but none of the home pictured are on the block that I am speaking of. Also its very easy to cherry pick a few homes that are above average for the neighborhood. It was a very biased article. They did not provide pictures of any of the run down homes did they? Hmmmmm wonder why.

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I agree, one in three homes in the neighborhood are above average, the rest are pretty crappy. Plus how many on this street are vacant anyways (oh wait thats the PBA's fault). This project would be progress, no matter how you chop or slice it.

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ACTUALLY, 2 of the homes that are spoken about in the Spree article ARE north of Vermont. It is a most excellent area and you would be lucky to live there with such great housing stock and amazing neighbors.

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This is a perfect example of circular economic reasoning. Most disinvestment in that neighborhood has been caused by the protracted, unpredictable process.

The basic equation is this: Investors love predictability. Unpredictability kills investment.

Nobody wants to invest in a property that might be bulldozed in a few years. Even if a property owner wanted to invest, lenders are disinclined to take a chance on such a situation. A new $40,000 roof simply will not pay for itself in long-term equity.

Incidentally, this is reminiscent of the Urban Renewal era, where entire neighborhoods were declared 'slums,' and thus denied the necessary financial capital to naturally renew themselves. Of course, in a few short years, those neighborhoods became actual slums, and the agencies in charge were self-justified in bulldozing them. Amazing how that works.

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Theres no traffic on the Peace Bridge? So why do a few thousand trucks cross daily?

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Grad Island.

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Grand!

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A few years ago, a class I took studied the peace bridge traffic and found it to be decreasing over the last 10 years!
Also, keep in mind that the reason these buildings in this area are run down is because of this project. Not many people want to invest in a home that they think will be torn down for a truck plaza... would you?

I wonder if they have studied how efficient the peach bridge is with the current infrastructure? Could they change their methods to move traffic quicker? Why spend money when you don't have to?

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The past year and a half has seen an increase in truck crossings. Instead of looking at 10 years look at the entire picture of when the bridge was built.

Maybe if people invested in their homes they would have a stronger argument for saving those homes. They look like crap.

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The comparison of the truck parking lot to the size of the Buffalo State campus says it all about why this is a stupid project.

It is amazing that in 2011 we have people that will argue to tear down a neighborhood in favor of a mammoth truck parking lot. I thought we were beyond the bad old days when you could just wipe out major parts of cities for traffic projects. How many cities would put up with this kind of thing now. Not many.

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Have you studies the layout of the proposed plaza? Obviously you have not because not even a sixth of it is dedicated to truck parking. Its built more open to allow for traffic to move much more freely than it can now, making it much safer than the current configuration. With the current configuration its amazing noone has been killed or seriously injured in an auto accident.

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Spend the money on a new bridge. First things first.

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Truck plazas are simply not compatiable with densely populated neighborhoods. It is time to put the health and welfare of residents ahead of the profits of the PBA and the business community that continues to rely on trucking. The Peace Bridge should serve cars only and truck traffic should be diverted to a new crossing away from populated areas or better yet diverted onto rail.

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gas prices are on their way up again and $5/gallon is not out of the question. this will take a lot of trucks off the road, since the trucking industry isn't viable without cheap gas. rail will become increasingly competitive.

we need to plan for the restricted energy diet of the future. it makes no sense to build as though cheap gas is our permanent birthright and to sacrifice an entire neighborhood for trucks that will soon be gone.

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Agree, we need to plan for a future that will surely require more conservation and alternate forms of transportation. The present unrest in the Middle East is just the beginning of the end. Documents leaked by Wikileaks show the Saudi's believe we may be approaching peak oil in the next few years. Technology cannot possibly keep up with rising demand, after all we still rely on 100 year old combustion engine design for the majority of our transportation needs.

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I think CSX should reopen the rail yard that once was in black rock. They should make it a container transfer station for containers being delivered locally. Theres plenty of room left there and they still own all the land. Make that land useful again and not a convenient spot for hookers and johns to go to.

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We could live with that, the rail yard was never a problem as compared to the heavy pollution generated by a truck plaza. Rail is more efficent and more environmentally friendly, we need to utilize rail and stop subsidizing trucks.

You are way out of date on your hooker comment, they rarely bring their suburban middle class johns to our area since we began confronting them. Last year I yelled at a guy in a Mercedes convertible when he decided our street was a fine place to do business. He panicked when he realized I was writing down his plate number, probably was worried his wife back home in Williamsville would find out.

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Im raising the bullshit flag on that story............

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Hookers were quite a problem on the end of East St for some time. We worked with our block clubs and coucil member to address. The johns were obviously not neighborhood residents, they drove newer cars and SUVS, they were mainly middle aged business types and stood out like sore thumbs.

The incident with the john was just one of many that our community has dealt with. Last summer in mid afternoon my wife noticed the Mercedes from our kitchen window. She called me to come see and I went outside to the car, sure enough mister fat white pathetic loser was being serviced right there. I starting writing down his plate number and then yelled at him. He took off across Amherst St and almost caused an accident. He then proceeded to let the hooker out about a block away. A friend ran his plate number, came back to Williamsville NY.

You might want to adjust your "bullshit flag", maybe it is out of whack due to your lack of first hand experience in such matters.

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A couple parts of that really stuck out.....

"they drove newer cars and SUVS, they were mainly middle aged business types and stood out like sore thumbs." Could you have fabricated more of a stereotype?

"mister fat white pathetic loser" How could you tell he was fat if he was parked across the street and in his car?

"A friend ran his plate number, came back to Williamsville NY."
What are friends doing running plate numbers for you?

"Last summer in mid afternoon my wife noticed the Mercedes from our kitchen window." I highly doubt a guy was getting a BJ from a prostitute in the middle of the day, parked right on your street.

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Wow, you are really cynical, maybe you would feel better if my wife verified the story, she was first on the scene, she is also a Notary Public, I'll ask her to notarize my statement.:)

The sterotype fits, white middle class guys in newer vehicles, same goes for the porn store nearby on Niagara St. The clientele are not locals, take a ride by and look for yourself, especially late at night.

The car was parked right along my house on the East St side, not across the street. We were both stunned by the blatant disregard by this guy and could see the whole dirty deal going down, so to speak. The guy was fat, he was 15-20 feet from my window, hard not to notice. This wasn't the first time we had seen this crap but it was the first time they parked next to our house.

The license check was a favor from a friend, nothing wrong with using whatever tools are at your disposal. Happens all the time you know.

As for your doubt, maybe you are just naive, I hate to break it to you but white middle class suburbanites are capable of being scumbags. Sorry if that reality bothers you.

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There are a lot of prostitutes in Black Rock. Most of them will take you into their house for the same price. I think Mr. Mercedes may have been afraid to leave his nice car unattended in the neighborhood. Hey, at least suburbanites are visiting the city and spending money, right?

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That is totally false and ignorant of the reality. There are not "lots of prostitutes in Black Rock" and the few that traffic here do so in the cars of their clients. As a life long resident active in my community I have never heard of prostitutes that will "take you into their house". These ladies work the Niagara St area because of the porn store. They do not live in the neighborhood, the arrests published in our neighborhood paper confirms this fact.

As for the johns car not being "safe" in Black Rock, again, false and ignorant. Black Rock does not have any higher rate of car thefts or vandalism than other parts of the city and in fact the rate is much lower than Allentown or the Elmwood Village.

It is interesting how perception is clouded by lack of real experience. Each week the Riverside Review reports on the crimes recorded in Black Rock. Of the total on average, one third are committed by suburbanites, one third by people from other parts of the city, leaving neighborhood residents responsible for the remaining one third. Maybe we should make Black Rock a gated community and reduce crime by a full two thirds. :)

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You may know about a lot of things Blackrocklifer but you don't know diddly about prostitutes in Buffalo. They used to hang out near Forest and Grant, near the porn store, but they moved to Austin and Farmer, near Niagara. There are three houses you can go to anytime of the day or night to get a little somethin' somethin'.

I'd have no probs parking my truck outside these houses 'cause they like to keep things quiet in the neighborhood. One bash and dash on the wrong car and they have the police all over the place. Your suburban friend had no idea what he was doing and that's probably why he was getting his outside your door. Don't kid yourself that the prosties only service fat suburbanites, they are doing the locals too. I'm sure you wouldn't be any part of that because you are holier than thou and without sin, but don't be so sure 'bout your neighbors. They're stoppin' buy in the afternoon or on the way to the barber shop to drop a $20 and their pants. You don't see them because it isn't as obvious as having a douchebag park in front of your house. Most of the ladies are hanging in a house just waiting for their clients to drop in.

I don't really care what you say about the crime in Blackrock. It's all around from drugs to prostitutes to buying stolen goods. You can get them all in Blackrock if you know who to talk to and where to look. Take a stroll down Farmer or East, specially near the prop shop and you'll see what I'm talking 'bout.

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@SKYBOX - How do you know so much about prostitution? Are you not only a member but also a client?

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Sounds like you're either a loyal client or you made up a story using street names from google maps. Judging by the "holier than thou" jab, I'm going with made up.

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You stick to what you know and I'll stick to what I know.

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The blackrock lifer does have that air of superiority and a holier than thou attitude towards everyone. Read what he writes when you get your nose out of his a$$.

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I dont think his attitude is holier than thou. I just think he has a serious case of "Black Rock Blinders" on. Which isnt bad because it means that he has a great deal of passion for his neighborhood, which is good. But it does sometimes lead to him having a very subjective point of view when it comes to his home turf.

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I am well aware of the problems we have here in Black Rock. My defense of the neighborhood does not come from a lack of knowledge or experience of the challenges we face. My comments are to counter the endless uninformed criticism that fails to paint the real picture of life in the neighborhood. At times an aggressive and provocative stance is necessary to make a point, even if that means pushing the envelope a bit.

The reality here is very different than the perception of many of the commentators here on BRO. Challenging those misinformed assumptions is crucial to have an honest debate.

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misinformed assumptions=liberal

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Quick anecdote about suburban johns coming into the city.

A number of years ago, I owned a business on the west side (further south on Grant than you've been discussing). A Sunday early evening, I was working out front where I could see the street. I kept noticing snow covered cars going by. I'm thinking, where the hell did it snow? These cars stood out, and I'd notice them going up and down past my business.

Apparently it had snowed, about six inches, in the southtowns, but you could still see the grass on the west side. Any ways, I'd agree that most of these 'customers' come from the suburbs.

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I used to live on Richmond Ave and the guy downstairs used to spend his disability check on hookers and drugs. 'Customers' are all over, some just use public transportation.

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Skybox> "The blackrock lifer does have that air of superiority and a holier than thou attitude towards everyone."

It's okay to disagree with, or generally resent the comments made by BRL and others. Lets get that out in the open though so we can keep your Black Rock prostitution tales in context. (ps: that working girl-masters candidate story was bs.)

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You have no idea what you are talking about so it is probably best for you to remain quiet.

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Telling folks in the comments section to hold it down is the job of the moderator. I rarely and reluctantly put my moderator hat on, but it may be time to reach for it...

Hey you kids -- don't make me come back there!

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First off, Black Rock is two words and the porn store is nowhere near Forest and Grant, it's next to the International Railroad Bridge, about a mile away. Also Farmer and Austin do not intersect.

Next, your attempt at using street lingo to make your case sounds trite and contrived, further reducing your credibility.

But you are absolutely right in saying "I wouldn't be any part of it". Not because I am "holier than thou" but because I find satisfaction in a normal relationship. Prostitutes are for losers and pathetic jerks. It is sad that a person would seek such a crude and dysfunctional relationship with another. Sadder still is that these johns exploit the misfortune of girls caught up in current drug addiction or past sexual abuse.

I am well aware there is crime in Black Rock, fortunately most is petty as is the case with many poor neighborhoods. We will be checking into your story, it is possible there could be some truth in it. It is difficult to keep tabs on every block, the area you describe is a good distance from my part of the neighborhood. My guess is you are exaggerating or listening to hearsay, somehow three active houses of prostitution in such a small area does not seem likely.

Finally, we would appreciate your help in providing the address of these properties so we can check this out and take action if necessary.

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I don't care if Blackrock is one or two words. I don't care if Riverside is one or two words. It doesn't really matter much at all. The fact remains that there are prostitutes in Black Rock. I should clarify for your old eyes, they are on Austin and Farmer streets, close to Niagara. I know they don't intersect and I also know you don't read well.

For the records there was a porn store on Forest and Grant and it is closed. There is also a porn store between Forest and Amherst on Niagara. I guess I should have spelled it out for you before 'cause you'll use anything you can to discredit what I'm saying. That doesn't take away from the fact that there are several houses with hookers in your neighborhood. Like it or not that's the facts.

The holier than thou part comes from your belief that what you do is superior to what everyone else does. Like for instance your comment about not being any part of it because you find satisfaction in a NORMAL relationship. Then you say that prostitutes are for losers and pathetic jerks! Who the f$@k are you to judge? Do you know any prostitutes to make the assumption that they are all drug addicts or have been abused? I don't think so! You are talking out of your a$$ when you make assumptions like this. See what I mean thou you think your better than everyone else.

I'm pretty good friends with some of these girls and know one who was a year behind Kelly at Mckinley. She is going for her masters degree and can't make enough money due to the observation hours and internships so she prostitutes herself to make ends meet. She isn't an addict and wasn't abused as far as I know. She tells me that she'd rather sell her services and keep control then get caught up prostituting her mind in some uncaring corporation somewhere. I think I agree with her too. I'm not in a position to judge her and her decisions 'cause this is how she pays her rent and for school. The guys she is with are generally pretty decent guys who may not get fulfillment from their wives but may not want a relationship outside the marriage so they meet a pretty women who is willing to take care of them for a price. They aren't all losers and pathetic jerks as you claim. Get to know a few of them before you judge them based on what you say is right or wrong.

The addresses are pretty clear. There's only twenty or so houses and one or two commercial buildings in that area. Go check it out for a bit and you'll see what I'm talking about.

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Your first comment on this thread set a negative tone in claiming "there are lots of prostitutes in Black Rock" and "Mr Mercedes may have been afraid to leave his car". Your closing remark was "at least suburbanites are visiting the city and spending money, right?". Not exactly a civil or constructive addition to the debate but a sarcastic comment meant to provoke.

I admit I was a little too quick to dismiss your story because it sounded much like just another legend by an uninformed outsider meant only to demean the neighborhood. So I will take my lumps for not being more open to the possibility there is some truth in what you said.

That said, we are miles apart on this issue of prostitution. I do know girls that have been caught up in this mess and it is nothing like the hollyood version of pretty woman. It is sad, ugly and extremely dangerous. There may be some rare exceptions but the vast majority suffer from addiction or were past victims of abuse. Your example of the girl working towards her masters is certainly not typical. My wife btw is also completing her masters (with internships) in Social Work. Her professional knowledge is counter to your claims of prostitution being no big deal. In fact the dysfunction and pain of this lifestyle is a well known problem affecting not just the girls, but their family members and children.

As for the johns, they are not "pretty decent guys" if they are cheating on their wives with prostitutes. If they can't find fulfillment at home it is time move on, life is short. It isn't fair to them or to their wives, and certainly not fair to their children.

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why does everyone have such a hangup on hookers. It is a viable, time honored profession. It achieves satisfaction and hopefully a happy ending. Sure there is risk involved, but probably more for a fireman. Sure it is illegal, but so is jaywalking. I would think being a hooker certainly rates above being an architect

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Do you have much experience with city living--? City neighborhoods that are not vigilant can become "dumping grounds" for this type of behavior. People especially look for streets that dead end in vacant/former industrial areas -- East Street kinda fits that profile, with the mostly empty railroad property at one end.

This isn't "victimless crime" (if there is ever such a thing). Where this stuff goes on, it impacts property values. Worst of all, children walking down the street are "exposed" to things they shouldn't be exposed to, not to mention coming across the occasional discarded prophylactic or even syringe.

BRL wouldn't make up something like this. He and his family and neighbors are great folks and are to be commended for their diligent efforts to improve their community.

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How long have you lived in Black Rock? That rail yard hasnt been used in a very long time.

Hookers are still a problem, dont kid yourself by thinking you and your block club got rid of them. Ever go behind Deval Safety? They like to take their Johns back there. Just because you havent seen any lately doesnt mean its not happening. It still happens all the time. Also saying its suburbanites is not true either, yes some may be but there are plenty driving crappy old vehicles picking up hookers too. Im sure there plenty of customers in your area.

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How do you know all of this?

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I have lived in Black Rock over 50 years. I know the problem isn't completely gone but we have made progress. The hookers no longer use our residential streets and they are aware of our effort. As for the clients I disagree, I don't know of any neighborhood guys paying for hookers, most have more class and are able to function in real relationships.

I pointed out that most of the clients are middle class and not from the neighborhood because that has been my observation. I have seen the men cruising around and read their names and address's in the paper whenever there is an arrest. I am sure there are exceptions but I have yet to see a neighborhood residents picking up these girls or being arrested as a john.

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Actually, the Port of NY/NJ wanted that to happen. As a way of removing thousands of trucks from already crowded NYC area streets coming from the port, they wanted to immediately offload the containers onto trains, then send those trains to cities in NY and PA like Buffalo and Syracuse that had rail and highway capacity for dispersal to their final destinations. Unfortunately the last I heard is that CSX either ended or significantly reduced intermodal capability because there was no longer a large local demand for it.

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I think we should first sue the Peace Bridge Authority over the bridge, then the plaza, or reverse?

I think there has been considerable public input into this whole process. It certainly resembles it: as the project is incomplete, resulted in considerable infighting, lacks any rational mediated solution, has gotten the lawyers rich, and still won't happen for another decade.

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that's correct. the public has spoken and yet bull headed project leaders are still determined to build the plaza. You know what Monster, public input isn't intended to be meaningless.

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The majority of residences in WNY support the new bridge plan and so do many businesses.

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According to who? The PBA?

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can you cite data to support that statement as it pertains to this particular plaza plan?

And in general, yes, nearly everyone supports an enhanced crossing of the Niagara River.

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So, how many more years are going to go by before we have a new bridge? Bay Bridge in Baltimore -- gorgeous. Mackinac Bridge in Michigan -- gorgeous. The Peace Bridge reminds me of a fart -- necessary in everyday life, but in poor taste in public.

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Any new bridge should be outside the city limits. Put it in the industrial area of Tonawanda if one is needed at all. Which has never been proven

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Right. If the main (supposed) economic benefit of the international crossing is business development - related to truck traffic - why on earth would you place the primary international crossing for trucks in the city when the vast majority of truck-dependent development is going to happen in areas with ample land availability and interstate access?

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Makes sense to me, this project is more about ego's and power than any real need. The future is not in diesel trucks, no sense investing in infrastructure that will be obsolete.

replied to Sally
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Once petroleum based diesel hits a certain threshold, biodiesel will become a viable option. It is produced from organic, renewable sources. Diesel (and the trucks that use it) are here to stay. Whether or not they sit idle in a parking lot that used to be a Buffalo neighborhood remains to be seen.

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Recent increases in food prices have been directly tied to increased production of biofuel. We can barely feed the present population, our already limited farmland is shrinking due to sprawl, we can't afford to devote this precious resource to support inefficent and outdated transportation methods.

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Not to mention biofuel production relies heavily on fossil fuel-based fertilizers. So I'm not sure the numbers work out in a world of increasingly scarce and expensive oil and natural gas.

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not to mention the evil of diverting food crops away from hungry 3rd world nations and into the cars of wealthy north americans. i keep waiting for the morality police to address this appalling situation rather than pounding on the latest elected official who fails to keep his zipper up.

theoretically we can produce biofuel with inedible crops but i'm not sure much of it is happening, given the subsidies and incentives to use corn. it is appalling.

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Isn't it true that calls for having the bridge be at Tonawanda or Grand Island conveniently ignore the issue of Canada's politicians being strongly against those ideas? (Just asking, but I think I've seen that reported a few times.)

As to whether a bridge is 'needed', I agree it's difficult to see how with declining traffic in recent years a new bridge is needed. Whether an expanded inspection plaza would be helpful for cross-border commerce might be a different question.

In the long run if U.S. and Candaian economies again start growing at historic averages along with populations, I'd expect growing trade between the nations to eventually cause the bridge traffic to grow enough to make a good argument in favor of adding another bridge. I don't know how many years or decades that might be down the road.

It would sound like a pretty safe bet to predict that say 50 years from now there will be another bridge and bigger plaza.

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what kills me is the commercial properties along Porter that the Duty Free owns and lets rot. They store things in those empty, gated up buildings and drive the property values down.

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See or get the bumper sticker: “NO NEW BRIDGE-We Already HAVE a Signature Bridge”
http://www.makestickers.com/addtocart.aspx?SKU=90&DesignNumber=100330092403&cid=4g3zov45wehrlj45emz3fb2n (This is an independent site, & I get no money from them.)

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Couple points about this.

Regarding funding -
If and when (most likely 'when', in the long run, maybe very long) an expanded inspection plaza is built at the Peace Bridge site, I don't see why it should be funded by the general federal budget.
Why not fund it using fees on trucks that get inspected? That would be a similar concept to how the new bridge is being funded by toll revenue.

Regarding plaza location -

TheRealBuffaloBill>"I never got why this wasn't designed to go over Front Park rather then the homes."

Some politicians and others have opposed using any of Front Park for this.

Here's something about it from the Buffalo News in 2005. I wonder how many of the "59 houses" the council memebr said the owners were willing to sell are the same as the houses some are now saying not to use. It seems the drawing in Rachacha's article does show the expanded plaza being north of Porter, so maybe the PBA did take into account what was being asked for abck then. (I really don't know.)

http://finance.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/canroads/message/17911

Masiello backs shift of plaza for Peace Bridge
Mayor, others call for relocating facility

By PATRICK LAKAMP
News Staff Reporter 10/4/2005

Mayor Anthony M. Masiello and other elected officials called Monday for relocating the Peace Bridge's U.S. plaza to the north of the current site. Peace Bridge officials have said that would require millions more than using part of the current location, which relies on Porter Avenue to get traffic on and off the bridge.

Niagara Council Member Dominic Bonifacio, Assemblyman Sam Hoyt, D-Buffalo, and State Sen. William T. Stachowski, D-Buffalo, joined Masiello in supporting moving the plaza.

...Moving bridge traffic north would make Front Park and Porter Avenue safer for residents, the elected leaders said.

...The elected officials' remarks reinforce the position of the New Millennium
Group, an organization that favors moving all Peace Bridge connecting roads
north to Niagara Street to restore all of Frederick Law Olmsted's Front Park.

..."I have personally met with 59 of the property owners in the area affected
by the Niagara Gateway plan," Bonifacio said. "All 59 of them want to sell their property now." ..."

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The issue is really non debatable:

- make some nice upgrades to the bridge
- make the front park area look like you're entering a nice city and not baghdad with a burger king
- take the remaining funds and buy every person who ever voted for brian higgins a one way ticket to abu dahbi. That guy has the ehtics of Ted Kennedy and the mental capacity of a centipede, but somehow because he looks like he is a ranking member of the IRA and south buffalonians are eternally drunk, the SOB keeps getting elected.

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whatever:

I figured it was a political reason, but I find it hard to think its politically more astute to take down a bunch of homes then a city. But then again, I'm looking at things from the economics, not whatever is going thought there heads. Thanks for the information!

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You're welcome for the info, Bill.

The politics are pretty cloudy in that the Common Council back in 2005 seemed very much in favor of the concept of a new bridge at the Peace Bridge site, and at least one of them along with Hoyt and others favored an expanded plaza north or Porter, and the Niagara district council member claimed 59 homeowners (similar number as my quick count of the red X's in the drawing Rachacha posted) wanted to sell.

Now today some Council memebrs are against the PBA's plan, but being against things is easy. What exactly does the Council favor? Have any Council members said they favor a new bridge being built at any site ofhte than the Peace Bridge? As far as I know, none of them have. Not even one.

It's easier of course for them to say what they're against (against current plan, against using more of Front Park for the plaza, against demolitions) than it is to propose a specific alternative that they favor.

If I'm not mistaken, the Council by majority vote still has the power to stop the project. Are any of the 9 council members willing to go on record with a clear 'no, put the new bridge somewhere else' position? Or are they just pandering with words directed at Obama and Higgins but not willing to seriously use their own power to stop the project in full?

Maybe as a follow-up, Rach should try to get each Council member and Hoyt all on record with how large a plaza they'd support. How many houses will they be ok with being demoed? Would they oppose or support building a bridge somewhere else in WNY other than in the city?

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Let's make it easy for people to stay in WNY using subsidies.
Let's nix projects that make it easier to do business in the city (i.e., building a bridge and plaza), and let's put a surcharge (i.e., tax) on those that are industrious to make "too much money"

... and then let's wonder why the city is a basket case.

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Mc> "Let's nix projects that make it easier to do business in the city (i.e., building a bridge and plaza)"

That project that will make business "easier" for a select few companies will require "a surcharge(ie: tax)" on everybody else.

I wouldn't call the city a basket case but the continued, pursuit of special interest driven, snake oil silver bullets like the Peace Bridge make the region worse than it could be.

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The solution is actually easier than people think. Knock the Peace bridge down, create green space, attract young educated people to the urban core and than blow the whole place up

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I believe there are a thousand better ways to spend money in Buffalo and the U.S. at large, though I'm sure the rules say you can't just take money meant for a truck parking lot and put that cash into rehabbing old industrial sites. But if this ever does happen, I hope it is done well and adds more to the city than truck exhaust. Excelsior, Buffalo!

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