City January 31, 2011 11:26 AM

Venus de Silo

Venus de Silo
We've heard it over and over... why don't we illuminate or paint the grain silos and elevators? Maybe it's because we can't imagine what they would like like if they were painted. Jim Charlier, creator of the site artofgardeningbuffalo.blogspot.com has showcased that initial step in order to identify just what the structures might look like if they were handed over to the creatives. From Jim:

Tony Goldman envisions creating "Arts & Industry Island." The merging of two of Buffalo's greatest assets -- a vibrant current artistic community & impressive industrial past. He proposed creating the world's largest free outdoor museum -- have international artists paint massive works on the grain mills. Promoted as such, it would be an international draw. It would make the millions of tourists visiting Niagara Falls, only minutes away, stop to check them out -- drive by, boat by, walk by, bike by, and kayak by. Designed to be enjoyed from different vantage points, it would help develop the entire area for miles around -- not just the Canal District.

How hard to pull off? Probably difficult. Architectural purists would not be happy, judging from the two comments I'd gotten on the blog post.

I say use 'em or loose 'em. As they are now, they are of interest to serious students of architectural and industrial heritage - not quite a large and booming group visiting Buffalo in droves and benefiting our economy. And unless they're willing to shore up, preserve, interpret the significance of, and promote these assets as a tourist draw to benefit the city, then they will sit there and continue to rot and deteriorate for the next few centuries (the grain elevators, not the purists!).

Expense is another hurdle -- the money to do large-scale public art like this is not necessarily the easiest to find -- but not impossible.

I think there are options that are not permanent though -- large banners, projected images (for viewing at night), wall-paper-like treatments. There's probably other options as well.

In Tony Goldman's talk he mentioned getting well-known graffiti artists from around the world to create the art. In Buffalo, that would be like off-shoring chicken wings. We have the creative talent here (artists and curatorial expertise) to create large-scale public art -- just few opportunities to do so. And I'd rather see us, as a community, spend money, time and effort furthering careers of artists that live and spend their money here.

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^Lead image: Tom Holt, Berzerk!, 2009 (center four grain elevators); Felice Koenig, Cherry Fizz, 2009, and Gardening 2008-2009 (two right tanks).

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^From left: Kurt Von Voetsch, Messbag Series, 2007; Amy Greenan, 1972; Mark McLoughlin, Stolen Souls Willing exhibition portraits.

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^Jim Charlier, Powerplant, 2010.

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P.U. - lipstick on a pig.

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What a solution, paint over all the abandoned structures in Buffalo to hide the real problems.....

Hypothetically speaking, if there were one or two of these massive abandoned structures in a area, I would say this could be a reasonable option..... but too bad that isn't the case.

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Oh my...this is really not a good idea in my opinion. What I've always loved about the grain elevators is their industrial quality -- better to paint some of their original logos on them, or at best some colors reminiscent of the era. I could also get behind the idea of projecting artwork on them at night -- or maybe films.

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Agreed, Liz; would we paint over Richardson, Larkin, or Darwin? I think not. I love the idea of integrating art, but not ON the silos themselves. I find that is going too far.

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So we should leave them up, leave them unused and empty, and hire NON Buffalo artists to paint them? Kind of goes against what you write about on a daily basis, no?

Knocking them down and building useful properties in their place creates short-term AND long-term jobs. You just want paint on a canvas that is falling apart. Also, I highly doubt anyone would drive out of their way from Niagara Falls to see them.

This is idealism at its worst. Buffalo needs pragmatism!

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Pragmatism is good but that doesn't mean that you can't be visionary. The silos are unique. Painting over them and creating art is hardly an outlandish idea.

You bring in the right type of artists and it would be a world destination.

The false sense of pragmatism driven mostly by the attitude that Buffalo is a second rate city and doesn't deserve anything great is what gives NYC the "highline" and we get the Aud pit.

replied to Campbell
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wait, did we suddenly run out of vacant land? we have now demolished so much that we can have our cake and eat it too: save the grain elevators, churches, and whatever, and still build new on the bazillions of acres of "shovel ready sites" that we been accumulating for decades.

replied to Campbell
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As bad as they would look painted they would look even worse 5 years later when the paint is half peeled off.

replied to Campbell
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GET a CLUE! Offer the military to use them as target practice, clear the sites, and market the property to Tax generating business whether it be light industy or hospitality. Take the art money and pay for a enviromentally friendly and landscaped lite walkway along the river. You people that think they should be used as an art piece are out of your mind. The city is crumbling, bring in business. Those old mills are broke down, polluted, filled with rats, and an eye sore. Its 2011 lets clean this broken down part of Buffalo up. Put pictures of the past in the restaurant/shops and other business and start marketing this area! I am embarrassed when I have friends in town and they see this on our waterfront.

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All the downers are going to come out on this one but I think its another thinking outside the box idea, what other city would do something as creative and crazy as this. Only in Buffalo. I can feel good vibes in the air with all these awesome ideas moving forward. Wait until Summer you guys will see!!!

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Why would we want to deface these architectural gems that are such an important part of our history with artwork? Surely they are not eyesores as they stand today.

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Temporary projections would be preferable- local artists would be a must!

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Something like this would be nice:

http://www.nfb.ca/film/image_mill_revealed

replied to 07newbie
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Yup, I was going to post a link to the Image Mill.

replied to The Kettle
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I can say without hyperbole that idea is a million times better than all the ones above combined. THAT looks good.
I really don't think the gateway to the city from the southern direction on Route 5 should be silos painted to look like a pack of Eveready batteries...just sayin'

replied to The Kettle
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it is dissappointing how many people feel the grain elevators are an eyesore to be demolished. I guess it's hard to see beyond the abandonment. Buffalo is a flat city. The hills are flat, the water is flat. It is also a linear city with long views that often disolve into nothing in particular. Not too different from Chicago. However the elevators are a counterpoint to this. They are vertical, they are monumental, and they are iconic in Buffalo just because of this contrast. They are symbolic of industry, and architecture, and ironically of the flat plains that lie to the west which necessitated their existence. It is easy to doubt there is a future for them, but to our chagrin the vast majority of our urabn landscape has been lost to the same thought, that there is no future for it. Look beyond the abandonment.

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I'd say lose 'em.

while we're on the subject of eyesores, let's finish the casino in the cobblestone district of knock it down.

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Lights and projections would be better than paint.

Follow the model of the Central Terminal Restoration Corporation. Focus should first be on securing the buildings and providing a safe way for the public to experience them. Raise funds and eventually hire a creative architecture firm to prepare a masterplan. This project really should be done the right way.

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This is what they are doing in other cities:

http://www.silopoint.com/

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Reminds me of the art of Friedensreich Hundertwasser who was hired by the German government to "heal" overly abstract factories and other buildings in Berlin. The HSBC building could also use some "healing" as well as Paladino's cement condos.

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i am confident nothing will ever be done with this. actually positive . ok everyone can thumbs down me now !!

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Who owns the grain silos and the propety they are constructed on? In particular the silos across from the Naval Park?

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why not turn them into giant air flitration units. heavily government substantiated of course.

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I looked at Baltimore's Point Silo and thinks it was a great project, too bad Buffalo don't have the population to support something like this, or do we? What will eventually bring back the commuting suburbanites?

Agree with the notion; "use them or loose them"

What would International Artist Christo do with them? Wrap them, illuminate them (as in Canada)? Use as a Movie Screen?

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Christo is dead. But, yes, he would have wrapped them.

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Jean-Claude is dead. Christo is still alive.

However, James Turrell would provide the most interesting use of the silos.

replied to Travelrrr
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I stand corrected. Right you are.

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I don't think we have anywhere near the amount of people to convert our grain silos into housing like B-More. I think that there needs to be a small / medium sized grocery store downtown. Maybe near the Sidway.

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There are only about 3,000 people living downtown tops. The best most communities that size can muster as far as a grocery store is concerned is a Wilson Farms. I cannot think of any community with less that 10,000 people in it's trading area that has a full service grocery store.

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Wow, usually you're not a totally loonie poster, but can we see some evidence of your numbers? 3,000 came from where? A cereal box?

replied to Sally
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Sorry, but its true. City-Data has an interesting mapping service that it must buy through another company. It integrates data sets with maps.

In my own research, I also was doing my own data sets for comparisons of downtown areas to metro areas.

City-Data places the downtown population under 2000 people. By DT, I mean central business district. Here's the link http://www.city-data.com/neighborhood/Downtown-Buffalo-NY.html

I'm actually in the middle of comparing cities downtown to metro population and population densities. Buffalo is quite surprising out of the set so far.

You could double check me by seeing how many mixed use or residential properties you can find using the county GIS mapping system.

Sorry again, but it's true. And alarming.

replied to LouisTully
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We have about 50 years of ghost town planning to thank for the alarming lack of residents in the central business district. Demolishing mixed use and high density buildings to build parking lots and single-use office buildings, as well as half baked "urban renewal" in the adjacent neighborhoods have taken their toll.

The good news is many of the remaining buildings have been retrofitted to bring people back downtown to live. The bad news is it will take a long time to reach the 10000 mark Sally refereed to.

replied to Greg
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Ok, so counting the 30.4% who aren't in jail means there's roughly 600 non-jailed residents living downtown according to the source linked by Greg.

Then there'd be 9,400 remaining to attract for reaching a goal of 10,000 (which would be one-third the size of each council district's 30,000 residents).

Why should all this be considered alarming if a central business district isn't also a central "residential" district? It sounds like a weirdly arbitrary goal to want for a city this size, and something pretty sure to just lead to ongoing disappointment. Even when Buffalo had nearly 600,000 people almost all of them lived somewhere other than downtown. Does any northern U.S. city near our size have 10,000 residents in its CBD?

However, if the county would expand the jail downtown and if our judges and DA's would start giving more appropriate sentences for violent crimes, we could grow the number of DT residents that way. Non-violent people across the city and county would be safer as a result.

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Whatever> "Even when Buffalo had nearly 600,000 people almost all of them lived somewhere other than downtown."

Here are some population figures from the 1930 census for tracts encompassing the central business district:

Tract 13: 9267
14: 12,072
25: 17,435
72: 6533
71: 19,573
Total 64,880

Despite mass auto ownership and streetcars going in every direction, 65 thousand of the city's 573k lived in and around downtown.

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And 69.6% of the few people that live downtown are in jail. Data from the link Greg provided.

replied to LouisTully
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Fair enough. That last statistic is pretty humorous... and sad.

replied to Sally
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Hmm, I like it but it is not the solution. As long as the land surrounding them is unkempt, the entire area will be an eyesore. Bulldoze everything other than the grain mills, resod, new concrete, etc, then the entire site becomes so much more attractive, interesting, and inviting.

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Yea, sorry, I didn't read any of it. Glad to see it mentioned. Getting the grounds looking like a million bucks should be the main priority.

replied to JCharlier
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that looks pretty sweet if you ask me

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As of now most people drive past the majority of the grain mills not paying attention to them. Why would you, they are an ugly brown or gray, and are in bad shape. This is a simple way of bringing attention to them. I agree, the industrial look is cool, but they will just sit there and rot away unless something is done to them. Other cities have done stuff to theirs and nothing bad has come of it. If you get some eyes to be attracted to them, then you will prob see the land around them get cleared up for bike trails, parks, and actual usable area. This is a relatively cheap way to get a jump start for that. If that were the case, it would probably be the favored area for people to bike, walk, etc...I would say the lion on Delaware is a Buffalo staple, but that is painted on some pretty historic row housing, I cant imagine that ever of happening now. Let something progressive happen in Buffalo.

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I can't figure one thing out here: if these things are unique and irreplaceable parts of our nation's industrial heritage that we should save at all costs, if they are monumental influences on modern architecture, why should we paint them? It doesn't make sense to me. Are they fine the way they are, or they are ugly and need to be turned into art exhibits? Are they still a testament of America's former industrial might if they look like a bunch of batteries? I'm just trying to figure out what the prevailing sentiment is on BRO regarding these things.

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They are no doubt something interesting.... I just drove around there sunday and realized that they are kinda cool......but I've realized that we have to focus our effort. Unfortunately, on a long list of wishes and hopes for Buffalo, whatever happens to these towers is at the bottom of my list.

Canal Side should get 100% of the effort, then projects like this should be approached. We need a vibrant area with a mix of Buffaloian and TOURISTY attractions for people visiting us for Sabres or World Juniors or whatever. They need somewhere to walk and feel comfortable. Just plant the seed in Canal Side and the rest will fall into place.

If they spent 10 million dollars and painted all these towers, it might patch an eye-sore but it would be 10 million I would rather put somewhere else downtown.

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Forget the paint, everyone should check out Armchairs link or
http://lacaserne.net/index2.php/other_projects/the_image_mill/

The Image Mill™ is an architectural projection produced and performed, in Quebec City, by Robert Lepage and Ex Machina. Representing the largest projection ever done, it requires the use of fine technology to project a huge quantity of images and films on the grain silos of the Quebec Harbour, an oversized screen, 600 meters wide by 30 meters high! In the hands of the creators, this huge mass of concrete is in constant transformation, which gives us the strange impression of it being alive and talking to us. Leaving the usual clichés behind, we discover the fascinating history of Quebec City with its upheavals, its controversies, and its great political and popular moments.


This seems as natural as the Wingfest and Winterfest, there are plenty of canvases.

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That is awesome!

replied to JM
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I would think advertising revenue from something like that would offset some of the operating cost.

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Imagine the crazy gay fetish porn that could be filmed in/near the silos?!? Buffalo could replace Eastern Europe as the "Hollywood of gay porn." In boom or bust, there is always demand for quality pornography. After establishing a strong international pornographic presence, Buffalo could even market it's own personal lubricant or adult toys.

We have the gays. We have adventurous artists. We are in proximity (Toronto) to some of the best film makers in the world. Let's put everybody to work in producing/promoting something the world wants or finds interesting!

Finally, Buffalo would have something that would make Toronto green with envy!

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I grew up in Louisville, KY- coming in to the city on Interstate 65, the University of Louisville has painted their grain elevators which lie along the expressway with a "UofL Cardinals" theme- it has become one of many icons, so to speak, of the city... (for those of you who have seen the movie Elizabethtown, those very elevators were featured in a scene...) I see no reason why our own grain elevators shouldn't be painted, perhaps with a Buffalo theme? They are quite visible to anyone driving over the Skyway, and would add some color to the industrial area.

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this whole idea with the exterior is lame. i mean people barely went to the drive in and we expect some world renound art. perhaps some kind of zany jungle gym or weird enviroment but color cannot help the project. people barely get together for nudity these days

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This is why nothing will ever get done. Someone has some sort of idea to make this city not look like complete doodoo and everyone else just sits down and rips that idea apart. Painting the silos is a permanent fix but until these things (which are never going to be used again) are torn down, we can at least make them and the city a little better to look at. They may be part of the city's history but they're also a part of the city's downfall...

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