food January 13, 2011 5:20 PM

Dolci Busts A Move

Dolci Busts A Move
There is a noticeable commercial absence on Elmwood Avenue now that Dolci has left the street. Located at the corner of Elmwood and Breckenridge, Dolci was a staple of Elmwood villagers in search of homemade baked goods and desserts. Even when I first heard the rumor that the bakery was packing up and moving, I didn't completely believe it - the business had been at the same corner for years and years.

It was only recently that Dolci opened a satellite location on Grant Street - a moved that apparently was partially designed to test the commerce waters of the deep West Side. Situated near Sweet_ness 7, Grant Street Gallery, April Flowers and Krudmart (see the business community), Dolci's consolidation onto Grant not only gives the bakery the ability to save on rent, it also offers operator David Simpson a chance to reinvent the business. "We basically inherited Dolci on Elmwood, " David told me. "We were never able to create the distinct operation that we wanted. Now we're regrouping and streamlining... we are going to be offering some healthier products and expanding our vegan line, including offering vegan gelatos down the road. Of course we'll still have our cakes, cookies and tarts, but we want to streamline... to carry our core recipes that we want to nail."

Dolci-Dave-Buffalo-NY.jpgDolci will also concentrate on their personal pizzas for those looking for a quick lunch or dinner option. With 13 freezers and fridges, and a surprisingly large amount of prep and baking space, Dolci hopes to springboard from this new location into business opportunities that may have not previously existed. The bakery is currently operating in a limited capacity, but within a month's time will be fully operational.

Dolci Dessert Bakery and Gelateria
205 Grant Street
Buffalo NY
716-882-5956
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Yesterday I almost drove up the sidewalk into the Blue Monk when I saw that the Elmwood Dolci location was for rent. Today I Googled "dolci buffalo" and searched for news. Thanks, BR, because I didn't know what I'd do without Burnt Caramel Sea Salt gelato...especially after I told everyone in LA about Dolci.

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yeah, that stuff is awesome. they should offer it all the time.

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unfortunately it's called staving off bankruptcy, I think the business will vanish by next year.

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4matic -

How about this? I'll bet you $1,000 that you're wrong. So, if Dolci is still operating on Grant Street on January 12, 2012, I win the bet. If they're out of business on that date, you win.

We can meet up this week and leave the cash with a third party to ensure payment.

So, what do you say?

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Interesting that you're so confident in their survival. Any particular reason? I would take that bet, but that would be throwing money away as I also believe they will survive. Dolci does more than people think. I know of a very high-end restaurant in the city that get's their breads and some deserts from Dolci.

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"I would take that bet, but that would be throwing money away as I also believe they will survive."

You just said you would take the bet even though you know it would lose. I'd like the opportunity to bet you on a lot of things.

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I really don't think that this is the case. A month or two ago, my friend and I were having gelato in the store and the owner began to talk with another customer about the move. It was decidedly positive – echoing the aforementioned sentiments that the new location would be "their own"; the idea of moving to a newly revitalizing district was also mentioned. If anything, this move should refresh the bakery: quite the opposite of bankruptcy.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to visiting the new location!

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This is good news for Grant St and finally things are starting to happen there. Yes if Dolci gets priced out of Elmwood not necessarily a good sign for them, but some time ago it was not worth it to try moving the business to Grant St. Most retail operations are very difficult and close eventually (and are replaced by others) but I was them success.

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Well, this is mixed news indeed but I'm glad to see that the Grant location will finally be open for retail. I know they were doing all their manufacturing there for quite a while. It will be great to have another retail storefront active on that block of Grant.

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location, location, location. Trouble in paradise if moving off Elmwood. No business equals can't pay rent equals struggle on Grant. Really, they could not reinvent themselves? I really find that hard to believe. Oh well, sorry to see them move over there. Good luck.

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If commercial rents in the EV have been going up as much as residences, it would be understandable that some of the businesses would seek out cheaper rents in the area. If that is the case here, the move is good news.

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How can you spin this into a positive?

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Rents going up in the EV are spreading activity into previously undesirable parts of town. Kind of like demand for homes rising in the cottage district as a result of skyrocketing prices around Elmwood. Win-win.

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I do agree that there could be some unintentional postive effect from this move. When one area (Elmwood) becomes gentrified to the point that established businesses can no longer operate there, then they have no choice but to spill over into a less desireable location (Grant). If this happens to enough Elmwood shops, then it could be transformative for the less desireable location. Maybe that neighborhood will be gentrified enough in a few years that we can start calling that "Grant Village." Of course it's a gamble, because if there is no exodus from Elmwood, or the moves happen too slowly, too far apart, the shops that move over there might not be able to hang on long enough to realize the benefit. I do wish them the best of luck!

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I, too, was shocked to see it gone. Glad to hear it's not gone for good, just gone from Elmwood.

Here's hoping that another business takes its place soon. It's sad to see two store fronts in the very heart of the Elmwood Village (Dolci and the former Thunder Bay/Pavlov's Frogs) sitting empty.

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it is my understanding that dolci's owner got tired of dealing with a neglectful out of town landlord who is uninterested in making repairs or maintaining the property. just another example of irresponsible landlords on elmwood trying to strangle the life out of the strip.

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streamlining and looking for lower rent = a business struggling for survival

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So Sally - are we on for the $1,000 bet?

replied to Sally
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Sure, my hubby will hold on to the money. E- mail me and I will tell you were to send the certified check.

replied to omonahan
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So I guess you and 4matic are both the classic internet troll. Big words and forceful claims but once called out to back them up, well, it's run and hide time.

Do you feel some sense of shame for that or, given how much time you use on this site to bash people anonymously, does shame never enter into the equation?

I really would have enjoyed taking your money too. Kinda sad.

replied to Sally
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Interesting bet, I cannot reveal myself as 4matic to anybody though as it would compromise a lot of good people, so how would I get the money to a third party? I could wear a mask I suppose. Regardless, I do so love how one gets called a troll because they make a negative observation-that will ultimately be fact-that you happen to disagree with. It's such an easy out for some simpletons such as yourself.

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Outing yourself as 4matic It would compromise a lot of good people. wtf? Are you a CIA agent?

That sounds like it might be a legitimate out but it's just a coward unwilling to put money behind his hater claim.

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You seem to have an inordinate amount of anger for what really is a pretty trivial forum. There's a tremendous amount of hot air on here that I either laugh at or consider as inconsequential.
Tell you what though, if I'm right, you're done commenting on here & the same would hold for me if I'm mistaken. It would be a gentleman's bet as it's too easy to simply make another account, so the honor system would be in effect. I'll even shorten things up & say they'll be bankrupt in six months.

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Inordinate amount of anger? You sense anger, do you?

Well, you have a bad sense of things because it's more disgust than anger.

There is a lot of hot air on here and you are a primary contributor to it. You made an a**hole claim about this guy's business and I offered to bet you $1,000 that your baseless claim would ultimately be proven wrong. Since you are a pussy, you won't take the bet and instead hide behind a phony need for anonymity. It's clear from all your comments here that you are a public school teacher. Now, given that public school teachers basically can't be fired unless they get caught raping and/or murdering dozens of children at once in broad daylight, you really have no need for anonymity. Instead, you just can't afford to lose the $1,000. That okay, I understand. You guys get all those awesome benefits like plastic surgery and sh*t but I guess you can't monetize that to free up $1,000.

The request for a gentlemen's bet might be worth something if you hadn't declared you were "done" with this site last May after the allegedly controversial Veteran's Day article. And yet, you're still here - commenting every day and, in the vast majority of cases, attacking every person referenced (either the subject of the article or the author or both).

replied to 4matic
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Two final points from me, you're psychotic & get a life.

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I don't know who owns their former location on Elmwood. I do remember that building being actively for sale a couple of years ago, when Buffalo property was hot for out of town investors from the coasts. I'm sure someone paid top of the market to buy the asset, based on the income/expense the building generated from rents. The problem is that there is often nothing left over from rents after paying mortgage and other necessities in this kind of investment, especially if you get in at the top of the market.

I'm sure the rent was too high (I remember talking about it with Dolci at the time the building was for sale a couple of years ago and they were unhappy then with the high rent then and they had no interest in buying the place because they thought it needed too much). And I'm sure the building was too poorly maintained. It would fit the profile of a buyer being caught in a squeeze by limited income and maximum outgo. But that squeeze is now tighter until some new tenants start picking up the freight again.

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Before David Simpson purchased the business from the original owner, I was a consistent customer usually stopping in on a weekly basis and for any birthday or dinner party I might need goodies for. I stopped going there when I stopped in to order a cake 3 days before I needed it and David said they were too busy to take my order. Never went back after that.

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Are you serious? I would never expect to be able to order a bakery cake from a small bakery 3 days before I needed it. And I certainly wouldn't hold a grudge against a business I otherwise patronized regularly because they couldn't accommodate me. Your lack of planning is not their emergency.

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I have to agree with CGirl... It's ridiculous to think that you can just walk unto a bakery like Dolci (which does a decent volume of business)and expect them to accommodate your three day demand. You should order at least week to ten days in advance.

If you didn't already know that, then I'm guessing that your contribution to their volume of business probably wasn't noticeably significant and they didn't even notice that you were gone.

Or maybe you were a demanding pain in the butt on the occasions you WERE a patron. Either way, I guess you showed them!

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If a bakery can't get a cake out in three days [other than a 3 layer wedding cake] then there is a problem. Give me a break. Customer service at it's worst. It's not like it's some "Hot" bakery of the moment mentioned in all the mags.

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This would be the perfect spot for an Ikea!

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Only if they tear down some of the adjacent storefronts and housing behind it for parking. I think the City could use some of their stimulus funds for this.

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This would be a good spot for a Trader Joes Express, Wholefoods Express, or a good spot to relocate the KFC that closed on Elmwood/Bryant.

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It's a tough market for a business like this. Your upscale-urban type that's getting a bit older is becoming more health conscious. For those with less disposable income, and less discerning taste, our fat and happy with a bag of Oreo's.

The venturing into healthier alternatives turns off the 'I want a big cannoli crowd', and probably doesn't drive enough traffic to cover costs. Been there, done that with this kind of business. I hope they make it, but the target market for them get's smaller by the day.

By the way, three days on a cake order, if your doing volume (shift a wholesale cake already in the pipeline) shouldn't be a problem. Unless it had some kind of special decoration (recreate Jimmy on top of Elmo, with three fingers up for his third birthday...) you'd think three days would be fine. An owner of a small shop like this must realize you can't just say no. You do it, and you drive customers away, and you won't be open long. A sad fact of doing business in a shrinking market.

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Ahhhh... another positive sign of gentrification. High rents leading to displaced business and displaced residents equals gentrification.

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I hear Tiffany & Co. are considering that location.

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Just because a business moves, does not mean its being gentrified out.

Dolci's menu serves middle to higher income patrons, and to say that gentrification is an issue is just silly. Elmwood is the yuppy neighborhood of Buffalo, and rents are higher, but that does not mean its gentrified. (You can get a single apartment around elmwood for around $400.00 a month). Its just what it is, the yuppy neighborhood.

If anything Grant could be argued of being gentrified. But even that is just silly. Just because these 'type' of businesses are moving t (Bistro's, Yoga, etc.) are moving onto grant street, doesn't mean rents are going so high that people are being forced to move out.

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Textbook example of gentrification. Don't call it renewal. Renewal results in entry for all, not just those with the economic ability.

Sadly for those west of Richmond, its spilling over your way.

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Just because a business moves, does not mean its being gentrified out.

Dolci's menu serves middle to higher income patrons, and to say that gentrification is an issue is just silly. Elmwood is the yuppy neighborhood of Buffalo, and rents are higher, but that does not mean its gentrified. (You can get a single apartment around elmwood for around $400.00 a month). Its just what it is, the yuppy neighborhood.

If anything Grant could be argued of being gentrified. But even that is just silly. Just because these 'type' of businesses are moving t (Bistro's, Yoga, etc.) are moving onto grant street, doesn't mean rents are going so high that people are being forced to move out.

Its hard to cry gentrification when Buffalo is one of the poorest/cheapest places to live.

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4matic-
Like omonahan - I too would like to bet you a thousand dollars also that Dolci will still be on Grant street in a year. You don't have to worry about revealing your identity when I win. I will just send you my address and you can send me the money that way.

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Elmwood Shlmwwod once the present generation gets over it self that whole area will be slowly emptied out.EV is slowly losing it's charm and with the rising rent and entertainment prices.Twenty something kids don't have the $$ to live or start a businesses there.Get out while you can.

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"No one goes there anymore; it's too crowded."

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It is the greedy landlords on Elmwood - who in response to Elmwoods success decided to raise the rents to astronomical amounts- that will eventually do Elmwood in.
It is difficult to make a profit there. A shop I inquired about to rent 12 years ago went from $400 a month rent to $2,000 a month a few years later.
Those landlords make moving to Grant street a sensible alternative. Grant street is going to be the place to "be" anyway with all the fascinating shops and businesses that have been cropping up there. There is another new Hispanic resturant/bakery opening on Forest avenue (near Grant street)sometime soon. There is also a new resturant opening next door to the Yoga place (acroos from the M&T bank on Grant street. I forgot what it is called but I think they are going to have Somailian specialties. The diversity is fun.

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Greedy landlords? If only. This is just the market working my friend. A landlord will charge the highest possible price he can and if a business chooses to locate there or stay put that's their decision, no one is forcing them. It's not going to "do Elmwood in" - the market corrects itself.

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Work this!.....Any walk up location builds it's business over time.Look at many of the long timers on Elmwood.When property owners abuse the tenants by constant rent increases there is only one alternative...........MOVE.Then the cycle starts over and the property owner loses in the long run.If you keep your rent reasonable and work with you tenants they will stay longer and your $$ will continue to come in.Two or three months of an empty property(especially in winter)can take months to overcome.That's how the real market works!

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Aren't you the guy that said all of EV will be emptied out because of the high rents and prices? You all don't know how cheap you have it in Buffalo. Pricing is based on demand. If a landlord is raising his rent, it's because he believes the tenant will either stay because the costs of moving is too high, or he's confident he can fill the space with someone else. Does the landlord make the correct decision every time? Of course not. It's unfortunate but when a business does not own the location rent increases are something they have to deal with. Sometimes areas become victims of their own success, landlords get greedy and some popular businesses are forced out. But over time the market corrects itself, that's just how capitalism works. You and I might not like it, I might prefer a mom and pop deli on the corner instead of a bank, but the landlord prefers the tenant that will pay more for the space, and he owns it. The good thing is in this country no one is stuck where they are, and there are laws in place to protect residents from commercial landlords making moves that will degrade the general area. If you know so much about commercial real estate strategy then buy some property on Elmwood and set the rent as low as you want.

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Wow your book smarts are really showing! After owning and running several business and properties on Elmwood and other city and suburban locations.Your theory has holes.I have in the past let several tenants work thru hard times before I would think of asking them to leave.Most of my long time tenants are the result of other landlords who drive small businesses away with greed and high rents.That's what ruins a business district(Allentown).I have never lost a tenant because of high rents or my inability to work with them.Maybe you should step up and take a risk of property ownership in Buffalo and let me know how the market adjusts it self.

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The fact that you or anyone has owned property or run businesses does not make your arguments any more sound or your opinions any more valid. If you go around saying "get out while you can" in reference to Elmwood Village then you lose credibility. I applaud you for letting your tenants work thru hard times. But I suspect you motives weren't entirely altruistic. Rational businesspeople do not get so attached to their customers or tenants that they are willing to forgo profits in perpetuity. I have been a landlord in Buffalo in the past and I recognize that there are situations where accepting below market rent from a good tenant is desireable rather than possibly forcing them to move. But you exposure yourself as too simplistic and arrogant in your views by making broad brush statements like "landlords are greedy" and "twenty-somethings don't have the $$."

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This place is moving less than 3/4 of a mile. Why the hell is everyone so concerned one way or the other?

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"Billo"

You are correct. If a landlord starts charging 5 times more for rent than they used to ( I witnessed it) it has no effect/impact on anything.

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If you own a small retail establishment and pay rent, you begin to feel after a while that if you don't own the space, you don't own much.

There are two kind of rent increases. The first is an increase because of a general improvement in the area. The second is a more punitive increase that a landlord thinks they can get a way with because an operation is profitable, and perhaps locked into the location.

A small business that moves because they've purchased a building is far more likely to come to a good end, than a business that moves from one rental to another.

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Agree, and I think we need to encourage more ownership by small business. Maybe someone can offer more insight but I believe our present tax code encourages rental over ownership. Owners make good neighbors and usually maintain and improve their property adding value to the neighborhood.

My neighbor lives above his store and his wife operates a beauty shop in the rear. They are invested here and are part of our community unlike the transient business owners that come and go rarely making any positive contribution.

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There is some advantage, from a business expense perspective, to renting as opposed to owning. 100% of the rent is deductible from your taxes if you rent, whereas only the interest is deductible plus a small portion of depreciation for owners.

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In your experience is this a big factor in choosing to rent instead of own? I can understand why a start up might want to rent but once a business is established it would seem to be better for the business and the neighborhood if they owned the property.

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What is a reasonable rent increase? I am renegotiating a commercial lease and want to be fair to the landlord while not accepting an unfair increase just because we are successful. Anyone here privy to commercial rents on the lower west side?

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If you don't mind replying...how long was your previous lease? How long is the new lease? An argument could be made that in this environment, no increase should be needed. While your costs are increasing (healthcare?), it's probably difficult to pass that along to your customers.

You may want to be fair to the owner, but I'd let him be more concerned about his interest. In all likelihood he should be satisfied with a good tenant, and an occupied space.

Look at it this way. If business wasn't good, would the landlord be willing to cut your rent? accept it late? Probably not. If the landlord doesn't participate on the downside, no reason he should get a part of the upside.

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We had a 2 year lease with a 2 year renewal, but we were two weeks late with our written renewal request.

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I don't know enough about the specifics of your situation (and don't want to lead you astray), but I really think it would be hard to believe that you'd be in for much of an increase (if any).

If your oven is one of those rotating ovens, or your walkins are fixed (not the panel type), that might make a move more difficult (not that you'd want to, but your landlord will take it into consideration).

If you want I could give you a call, get your square footage and see what comparable space is going for.

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I would love some input on what comparable spaces are going for. I did not know if going door to door was the right way to go about it, so if you have some knowledge on the subject that would be helpful. You can call me at the bakery 884-8888. Thanks.

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Al L. - "This place is moving less than 3/4 of a mile. Why the hell is everyone so concerned one way or the other?"

Agreed. The EV is not the only viable spot for Dolci. I do wish they would have moved to Hertel but that's my neighborhood bias talking since I love Dolci.

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We still have Gino's on Hertel.

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Gino's is awesome too, non doubt, but they don't have Dolci's gelato.

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I'm a West Sider and I can't wait to stop at Dolci's on Grant St. after I grab a coffee and breakfast at Sweetness_7, pick up some flowers at April's, and stop in Guercio's for some fresh vegetables. I just might have to drive down the Street to Amherst and stop in Spar's for some sausage, and while there, browse Gallery 464 and the Habitat Restore.
Isn't it great that Buffalo has more than one area with some unique spots to frequent!
Who knows what other interesting places may spring up in these areas?

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I'd love to see what a $400 apartment in the Elmwood Village looks like these days. 10 years ago, mine was about 500sf, with an additional $400 heating bill.

I'd also be willing to bet that nearly any business that has been open in the same location for, let's say, 10 years....owns the building they're in. Otherwise, they've been gouged to the point that they've left the neighborhood, or gone out of business entirely.

And anyone smart that wants to buy an home with tons of original character but doesn't have $300k should take $50k to the lower west side.

The EV will be left with frat houses, people who have a ton of money and live next to frat houses, and people who are lifers and now are stuck next to people who think they're awesome because they have a ton of money and frat houses.

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$400 heating bill for 500sq?? WTF, were your windows open? I heat a 1700sf home in NBuff built in 1927 for under $300 with an exception, maybe, for February. And my wife cranks the heat.

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Often rentals have thin windows that are just as efficient as leaving the windows open, not to mention very old and inefficient heating systems. People live in places that have an entire legs of duct-work broken off.

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The windows were awful, one was cracked, all needed caulking, a horrible furnace, and washer/dryer for 4 units that was on our utilities (the landlord reimbursed us $10 a month for that, and one tenant would dry a single towel on the full cycle after every shower) and the gas prices peaked that year ('00-01). That was what $400 got me. 10 years ago.

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