City January 19, 2011 3:55 PM

A concept for the Statler

A concept for the Statler
Submission by Timothy Horner:

If the Statler is to remain viable, and be restored, something unique is going to need to happen.  It seems that most Buffalo developers lack either the money, or the desire to rehabilitate the Statler.
 
So, with that, here is a concept for the Statler:
 
The City of Buffalo "buys" the building, therefore forgiving all back taxes owed, and removing that debt.  Under its ownership, The City files with the State Attorney General's office to subdivide the building, making each floor of the building its own individual space, similar to a condominium arrangement.  Each floor owner will own the space within their floor, as well as be a common owner to the building.  18 floors, and a maximum of 18 potential owners.  Each floor owner owns 1/18 of the Statler and its common areas.  There would be no restriction on how many floors an individual owner can own.
 
Under this structure, the City of Buffalo can invest the $5.3 million to stabilize the building, and be the "owner" of each of the 18 floors.  From here, The City can sell each individual floor to others who have assets to develop each floor, but not an entire building.  Croce can buy his 2 floors, and begin development.  If a Wyndham, or other hotelier wants to put rooms in, they can purchase 3, 4, 5, or whatever floors, and do their thing.  A condo or apartment developer wants to develop livable spaces... they buy a floor, and construct.
 
At a cost as low as $500,000 per floor, selling 18 floors would net the city $9 million dollars, an almost $4 million dollar premium over $5.3 million invested.  In spending $1 million for 2 floors, Croce still has $2 million of the original $3 million he had planned to invest in upgrading the space.  That's a lot!  Monthly/Annual assessments would be rendered for building upkeep.
 
Could it work?

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It would be a nightmare of legal paperwork, but it could be possible. My biggest concern would be getting something like this accomplished without interference from the usual gang of idiots in Buffalo politics.

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Yes can we dream an alternative with less paperwork involved. That just seems exhausting. If we get to 300 pages, it'd probably be easier to tear it down...

Seriously - interesting concept. How would you deal with mechanicals and common spaces like entrances? Would hallways on each floor be owned by the owner of that particular floor? Or would their be a condominium association that would own all common spaces?

The mall in downtown Batavia has been a case study in the disastrous results of commercial condominium ownership. Overall improvements to the structure, its concourses and exterior facades have been completely hamstrung because there are too many people with a piece of the pie.

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maybe a facade easement to a responsible party would protect its external appearance?

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First, it's not a "lot of paperwork". It would be a "condominium" - commercial and/or residential. Millions of properties in just this country alone are organized as such. These projects are done all the time.

To answer your second question, the common areas would be just that - owned in "common" by all and not by any one individual. This would be as extensive or limiting as the developers choose. It would entail the ground floor entrances, elevators, exterior and physical plant at a minimum and could, if so desired, include the lobbies on each floor - or not, depending how much of the total project each owner would pay for or want.

It's not difficult at all, and can even be changed over time as the will of the owners decides.

You can even hae a "fee simple" or "lease hold" type of ownership as they do in Hawaii, where you can own just your space in the building determined by the walls and floors without any "ownership" of the land (lease hold) or you can own a portion of the entire project, including land and your "space" (fee simple) - which is the most common form of ownership in Buffalo.

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One more idea then the mayor

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It's great to see folks thinking outside the box, but as the previous poster mentioned it can be a nightmare of legal paper given that a simple condo conversion can run into tens of thousands of dollars. Additionally, all the basic shared infrastructure would have to be replaced/upgraded (electric, plumbing, fire prevention systems) before floors can be sold out.

One possible work around to selling floors is creating a corporation which owns the entire building and selling shares which would give the buyer access to certain floors depending on the percentage of the company they own. There are some decent tax benefits of going that route since the city wouldn't consider each floor a separate dwelling. I personally know of a couple projects in Buffalo that have gone this route but on a much smaller scale.

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"18 floors, and a maximum of 18 potential owners. Each floor owner owns 1/18 of the Statler and its common areas."

Two questions about that -

First, about splitting it into separately-owned components per floor - does it sound practical to expect each of 18 buyers to want to own 3 disconnected spaces, one in each tower? It isn't as though a "floor" is all one thing in the Statler.

Second, about the concept of own vs. rent - if most office tenants strongly prefer to rent instead of own, wouldn't an strategy based on owning instead of renting make the space even less in demand?
I suppose an owner could rent it out, but where would the profits come from if the rent revenue per floor wouldn't exceed 1/18 of the building's ownership costs?

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Simple: The initial owners of this condominium can then choose to rent to others for use of their individual space.

Again, it's done all the time.

The idea of getting owners for the initial project is a way to gather together the funds necessary to construct/renovate the project.

The Statler Owners Association covenants can determine what the actual proceedures are or are allowed.

In a "usual" project, with one developer, until all "units" (floors, or partial floors, or spaces) are sold, the developer gets the majority vote on any issues that come up until such time as the individual owners retain majority ownership. In these times, there have been problems when units fail to sell and the few initial owners are left to the mercy of the developer's care of (or lack of care of) the property.

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Let's take the paperwork part of this equation off of the table for the moment, because, while a ton of work, we know it can be done. Even at a cost of $100k in legal fees, it would be a relatively minor cost in the grand scheme of things.

In regards to the ownership concept, for a condo or co/op type of arrangement, all unit owners (or floor owners in this case) would also own a percentage of all common areas, as well as the same percentage of the building exterior. Assessments would allow for the upkeep of these common areas. As for the floor(s) that they own, much like any real estate, they would be free to occupy or rent their space as they see fit. Profits would not need to be split amongst owners, as what you do with your space is your own prerogative. You own it.

In regards to Whatever’s are comments, I am under the impression that each of the 3 "towers" are linked by a main corridor. The building appears to be in the shape of an E. Is this not the case?

SadLlama, good that you point out that all shared mechanicals would need to be addressed before floors could be sold. Would this not be part of the City's $5.3 million dollar investment?

Would the City have an interest in this concept? It’s become obvious that Mr. Croce can’t do this by himself, and the city is not a developer. Are there better options out there?

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You get points for offering an idea, and returning to defend it.

Perhaps it would be more realistic to split it into 4 parts. The lower floors, then each tower. Perhaps one tower as a hotel, one for offices, and one for apartments.

The transition of ownership from floor to floor would seem to break up an economy of scale that would be needed in any larger project to make it financially viable.

Just a thought.

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This sounds very much like the Co-op or Cond-op model used in NYC, Chicago, etc. Good concept for the Statler in that more people can be part of the (relatively large) solution needed.

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tjh>"I am under the impression that each of the 3 "towers" are linked by a main corridor."

Good point, and my comment misstated that. My bad for previous comment's wording.

Still, it might be a serious business inefficiency for the 3 portions of each floor to be much more physically separated from each other (although connected) than would be the case in a usual office building.

While legalities of your idea could work, a bigger issue is market demand - whether there's enough companies interested enough to buy a floor. Obviously businesses want cost-effective space. Also each floor is a lot of sq ft so it would greatly limit potential occupants just due to how big they'd have to be, unless floors were subdivided and rented out.

Dividing it per tower as Ben mentioned might avoid those issues. However, there'd still be the issue of walls that I think Bini might have suggested on here can't feasibly be changed to accomodate flexibility of space as wanted these days for many commercial uses.

A basic question for long term ideas about this building is what businesses might realistically be motivated to want an upper floor (or even 1/3 of an upper floor) in the Statler? Buying a floor of it sounds like a very strong committment that I wonder how many would really make. Never mind 18 for now, can anyone think of 8 likely occupants for a whole floor each? Or even 4 of them?

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Great to hear an idea offered. In theory the idea is a great one.

I'm only commenting here to suggest that the 100 million in rehab that has been floated about is not going to go away. There are fundamental problems with the Statler that will not go away just because we may choose to ignore them (The Statler is not BRO). So even if you discount that number by say 20% you have a 'final' pricetag on the building at say 80 million. So each floor would go for about 4-5 million (let's just say it's not going to be 500,000 a floor once rehabbed - if it is I"m buying a floor).

The idea of a back tax erase is an interesting one, but I would prefer to raise taxes, or shift sales or other tax portions of the levy, instead instead of setting that precedent - and use that special tax revenue to fix the building and then sell it as you state.

And, you need to consider that several developers have taken shots at this thing and it all has come down to the same issue - the initial spend to get the building righted. No private money is going to do that. The city/county/state has to step in or the building is going to be destroyed at some point.

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I don't understand why not just get 18 investors fix it up and lease out the space? I get the idea of a shared responsibility, but that is a heavy lift for a business to invest in space, clean it up and run their business.

There is a reason why companies lease from developers. They have a business to run and don't want to deal with day to day up keep.

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Excellent idea. Buffalo needs more of this type of thinking. The old way of doing things hasn't and won't work.

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The Ben in Philly is a good example to look to. Similar building.

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Interesting idea, and given the size of that building probably one of the better plans I've heard about how to bring it back to life.

My only concern would be the City's less than sterling record of maintaining buildings which have come into its ownership i.e. the Aud, Concrete Central or really any of the elevators, Buffalo Central terminal etc...

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