City December 16, 2010 3:30 PM

Wrecking Buffalo: Fire Takes Out Historic Home

Wrecking Buffalo: Fire Takes Out Historic Home

One of the city's oldest homes was destroyed by fire Monday evening.  The five-bay center entrance home at 574-8 Michigan Avenue dates to the early-1800s.  It had been listed for sale with two of its neighbors with a $69,000 asking price earlier this year

Scott Glasgow is familiar with the property.  He says the house is a twin to his Black Rock home that he restored.  Both were built in the Federal Style but with a Greek Revival styled entrance. 

The fire was noted in The Buffalo News on Tuesday:

Fire investigators were still searching late Monday for the cause of a raging fire on Michigan Avenue that caused $100,000 damage, fire officials reported.

The blaze in the 2 1/2-story building at 578 Michigan Ave. was reported at about 6:15 p. m. Fire officials said the fire started on the front porch and extended into the building.

About 30 minutes into battling the blaze, firefighters were forced outside to perform an exterior attack. There were no reports of injuries.

"I stopped by today, the house is a total loss," says Glasgow.  "This was one of only four center entrance Federal Style houses left in the city.  A shame to see this in ruin, I think it had real potential."

"Looking at the construction exposed by the fire showed signs of early construction," says Glasgow.  "The hand hewn timber frame and split lath, as opposed to sawn, indicate the house was constructed prior to 1840, earlier than my previous estimate."

"The house is so similar to my own (circa 1830-35) in construction, proportion, and detail," add Glasgow.  "The center stair, layout, and front door surround are also almost identical."

Photos by Scott Glasgow

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Glasgow's Black Rock residence:

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Too bad. Another sad wasted asset. What a shame. This stuff is very rare and can never be brought back.

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Very sad. No possibility to be rebuilt? What about the historic house (in similar condition) just rebuilt in South Buffalo? We have some mightily crafty people in Buffalo....

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$100,000 damage to a house that couldn't sell at 69,000 tells you all you need to know about what happened here.

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The same thing happened to my Jewish uncle's restaurant in the Catskills in the 1960's! He bought a nice boat and retired to Boca Raton afterwards--RIP Uncle Howie!

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That price was for 3 property's by the looks it. So I have no idea were the 100,000.00 fits in. Fishy

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With this being the Michigan Ave. Heritage District, that house could of been a great location for a Bed & Breakfast or something.

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why does it have to be demolished? it looks like all four walls are still standing. so it needs a new roof. people gut and redo houses like this all the time.

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Really?

Have you ever tried to nail to charred wood? Not only is it unsafe, it is also against most city codes.

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if it is timber-framed, it probably does not need demolition. i maintain that it is far from everyone's favorite demolition excuse, 'too far gone.'

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The timber frame was probably not compromised by the fire but this house does not have corner posts. After the 1820's the corner posts were no longer used and the frame was supported by the vertical plank sheathing. Those planks were usually hemlock and they tend to be more easily damaged by rot or fire. Another issue is the condition of the floor joists. In this type of construction the joists are notched halfway through to allow them to sit in pockets that are morticed into the timber frame. This is a very weak link and many times the joists crack along this line.

In my own restoration I constructed 2x6 walls under the 8x8 timber frame to support it and take the load of the vertical planks. This made it possible to replace deteriorated planks and also allow for wiring, plumbing, and insulation. I also ended up replacing about 1/3 of the floor and ceiling joists throughout the house as well as sistering new joists onto the old ones that were in decent condition.

I certainly hope this one is saved but the project is by no means a fixer upper. This will require a top to bottom assessment of the structural issues and require repair and replacement of those structural members.

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I feel your pain. I have gone through similar processes to rehab my 1860's Elma plank and beam house. I always wondered where was the wisdom in eliminating the corner posts...

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They just figured out that nailing two large planks at the corner was strong enough to support the frame and save the very labor intensive step of mortising in the posts. It worked well enough but after 150+ years these corners were vulnerable to damage if the roof and siding was not well maintained.

How did you deal with the problem at your house?

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Wherever I could, I framed stud walls between the horizontal perimeter beams. Depending on size of the interior room the walls I framed were either 2x4 or 2x6. The planks on my house have held surprisingly well (little rot encountered except around windows) but I have had to replace a few planks for which I used vertical 2x8 douglas or hemlock fir framing lumber. During a 1st floor bathroom remodel, I actually removed the notched floor joists and replaced them with framing lumber. In other spots I scabbed on new lumber to the old joists.

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Pretty much the same here, mine was a full gut restoration so I was able to stud out all the exterior walls. Some 2x6 but I used 2x4 in rooms where the hand hewn frame was left exposed. As I said in my previous comment I had to replace about 1/3 of my floor and ceiling joists. Double 2x8's replaced the original 3x8 joists and were set right into the mortises in the timber and reinforced with metal joist hangers. The double width teco brackets fit the new and old joists.
I had a lot of damage to the plank sheathing, the house was condemned and abandoned so years of neglect had taken a toll. I was able to salvage some old planks from a neighboring church that were the full 2 inches thick to match the original.

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I think the 100k estimate is just a fire department estimate based on size and contents, and isn't based on what the house was on the market for. Theres nothing fishy about putting an approx value on the damages, esp for a fire this bad where you cant tell what kind of condition it was really in beforehand.


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i'd be looking at this guy's insurance ppr work over the last few months...seems fishy

we can blame the lazy owners who take the easy insurance check by burning these homes down, but this problem ultimately falls on Buffalo city leadership for setting an awful example and not putting in the effort required to make others make the effort (i..e, letting walgreens into gates circle)

the city doesnt care about its history, so why would any of the ppl

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From 'warehousedweller' on the old post:

my friend just purchased these buildings.its an unfortunate thing that happened.it appears that squaters trying to stay warm burned it down.neither party [seller or buyer] had ins. on the building.its unfortunate.but my friend dave[buyer]and myself along with his friend and family ARE going to rebuild this historic building,from the bottom up!!!!it may take a while.if you have a period correct house that you need torn down, we will do it for free,just for the lumber!!!donations would be greatly appreciated as well! we need to save possibly the oldest plank built house in the city of buffalo STILL STANDING!!!!THE FOUNDATION AND ALL FOUR WALLS ARE STILL STANDING STRAIGHT,ASKING TO BE REBUILT!!!if you are interested in helping or donating to this cause in any way call bruce at 208.5111 thank you and have a good holiday.p.s. myself and dave did a thurough inspection of the building after the fire and concluded that it is definately savable.we need an old house to demo for lumber. thanks

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hey a friend of mine just bought these properties,and its a tragety that happened to possibly the oldest standing plank built house in the city of buffalo.its unfortunate that neither the buyer or the seller had ins. on these buildings.it appears that squaters were trying to stay warm and burned the place up ! well after the fire my friend dave and i did an inspection of the property and decided that it is saveable[believe it or not] the foundation and all four walls are still standing straight!!!it may take some time but we are looking for anybody with a period correct house that we would tear down for free just for the lumber to reuse to rebuild!!!any help with clean up or donations would also be greatly appreceated.we are going to save this piece of american history.if you can help in any way please call bruce at 208.5111 thanks and have a good holiday

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What were (or are) your friend's plans for this house, after restoration? You say he also bought the brick house, next door? What are his plans for that?

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I bet he wished he secured the building a little better or stopped by to kick the scum out before they set the place on fire.

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slobadan, there was no ins. on these buildings! squaters burned it down!!!!!!!!

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thanks wcperspective for the help.i commented on the old post

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Any and every time that you read of a fire in the city of Buffalo and read of a damage estimate that estimate is set by the Division Chief of the BFD and is used only as a rough estimate of fire damage to a structure . IE: total roof R&R $30K. Siding R&R 20k Ect.

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In referring to the house as a "total loss" my intention was not to say the house was not salvageable. The term is generally used when the damage exceeds the value of the property. Warehousedweller's comment is very encouraging, a dedicated owner could save this one, in fact it is the only way. I don't think it would feasible to contract out though, costs would far outpace any possible ROI. Working with friends and family that have the necessary skills would be much more likely to make this project possible.

Replacing the roof is of course the first order of business. Getting rafters up and sheeted would go a long way towards preserving the house. That needs to happen asap or the chance for survival is greatly diminished.

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This is a blessing in disguise. If the plan was to restore it, you basically save demo fee. Core is still there, you should have replaced down to there anyway. Now you can run updated electrical, pex plumbing, efficient heat, etc.

You can get a lot of fixtures from buffalo reuse or the habitat place near Wegmans on Amherst or other type of place for historic value but the electrical and plumbing should be updated anyway.

In the long run this will probably be a good thing.

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Gotta disagree, going topless during a Buffalo winter is not a good thing.

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Devastating...

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"Devastating"????????? Really????????? I hope this is sarcasm!

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Sign me up...and, in fact (going off a post from earlier this week), I love the thought of assembling a volunteer group of people to work on at-risk buildings around the city. Roll up them sleeves!

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I'm still finishing restoration on my house fire ($500,000 damage - very little insurance). I'm also helping to guide the South Buffalo house fire restoration mentioned by one of the commenters.

I haven't been by this one yet but I suspect it can be saved (the South Buffalo house looked totaled after it's fire as well) - but if it is possible it will require a great deal of resources and passion. This house deserves to be brought back. And I think it could be a lot of fun.

I'd be very interested in helping out however I can. I may also be able to help work with the inspections department if there is a demo issue - but the City is going to rightfully request assurance that the building will be secure. Preservation Buffalo Niagara has also been very helpful with the 49 Buffum (South Buffalo) project and will be a good resource for this one as well.

Harvey

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Anybody know what's going on here? I went by today, house was boarded and looked secure but the roof is still wide open. Just getting a couple sets of rafters up with a big tarp would be a cheap and fairly effective way to prevent further damage.

This house is a rare example of the city's earliest period of settlement and is certaily worth preserving. A little triage could buy enough time to give this old house a future.

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"call bruce at 208.5111". I tried. No response.

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This house needs to stay on the radar, if not it will become just one more empty lot. There is a different phone number on the front door, I will try calling today to see what the story is.

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Spoke to the owner today, he had just purchased the property before the fire and he says he intends to repair the house.

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Went by this house last night hoping to see some progress but the roof is still wide open. The snow melt is going to introduce a tremendous amount of moisture, not at all good for very old wood. If left open into the spring rains the chance for this old house to survive is greatly diminished.

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The roof is still wide open allowing the spring rains to saturate the interior. Is the city involved here? Anybody know whats going on at this property?

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