City December 15, 2010 1:01 AM

Second Elevator Faces Uncertain Future

Second Elevator Faces Uncertain Future

The Connecting Terminal Elevator may or may not have a starring role in a new bridge connecting downtown to the outer harbor.  The Erie Canal Harbor Development Corporation is undertaking a structural inspection of the grain elevator to determine the condition of the elevator and how it affects the Main Street bridge alternatives currently being studied. 

Still in the environmental review phase, both Main Street and Erie Street remain feasible alternatives as bridge sites.  While no determination has been made regarding the bridge's final location, several sub-alternatives for each location are being studied further.  Sub-alternatives for the Main Street location include building the bridge around the grain elevator, through a portion of the elevator, or removing the elevator.  The "through" sub-alternative would involve the restoration of the remaining sections and missing pieces of the elevator.

"Our first option, because of historic resource concerns, is to go around the elevator but that involves investing a significant amount into public infrastructure and leaving a deteriorating, possibly unsafe, grain elevator sitting next to it," said ECHDC President Tom Dee.

12-07-10_CTE_Distibution Floor_Roof.jpgECHDC began designing a Main Street alternative that avoided the grain elevator to the north.  However, after speaking with several stakeholders groups, there was concern that a bridge in this location would negatively impact the view of the grain elevator from the inner harbor - where most people can see it.  A second avoidance alternative, which located the bridge south of the grain elevator, was then developed.  While the view is less impacted, the constructing the bridge over the City Ship Canal increased costs considerably and impacts a greater portion of available land.
 
"Avoiding the grain elevator creates its own set of impacts.  It's more costly to build the bridge around it, it eats up more prime waterfront land, and we don't even know if it's safe to leave it in place,", said project manager Steven Ranalli.  "It's a unique structure and it will require a unique solution to deal with it properly."
 
12-07-10_CTE_Stairwell_Ext.jpgECHDC presented the various Main Street sub-alternatives to the preservation community during the scoping process earlier this year.  Lorrain Pierro, President of the Industrial Heritage Committee, feels the "through" option could provide a "gateway entrance that would spotlight the grain elevators and the City, and connect the Erie Canal with the Industrial Heritage Trail along the Outer Harbor Parkway,"  Preservation Buffalo Niagara and the Campaign for Greater Buffalo have also been briefed on the Main Street alternatives.  The New York State Historic Preservation Office has also seen the early concepts and is awaiting the full study before making any determination.
 
The Connecting Terminal Elevator, built in two sections during the first half of the 20th century, has been idle since the late 1960s.  The elevator has since lost major elements, including the marine towers, the headhouse and a majority of the distributing floor due to neglect and weather.
 
As no plans exist for the 1915 section of the elevator, and with very few plans left in existence for the 1954 addition, the inspection will document several key features, including the foundation, bin wall thickness and dimensions, materials, and concrete strength.  The inspection will also document the current structural condition and areas of distress.  Results of this inspection will be used to determine what Main Street alternatives are feasible and what the costs associated with each alternative will be.  The information will be included in the draft environmental impact statement expected in 2011.

Animation video here.

 

NOTE:  According to ECHDC, the 'bridges' depicted in the computer animation are very rough, general approximations of bridge structures and do not in any way represent the final design of the bridge, which could range from historical interpretation of earlier bridges in Buffalo, to something very contemporary. 

 

Main Street Bridge Options

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1) I think through the grain elevators would be the coolest and most efficient. People go to California to drive through a Redwood tree, why not Buffalo for a grain elevator?

2) I know the rendering is lacking detail, but is that seriously the type of bridge they want to build? Where is the suspension? Where is the architectual significance? How on earth does that cost the 10s of millions of $$ they are projecting it to be. It looks like a highway overpass

Back to the drawing board please

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Right through it..... I think that would be something to see in itself as far as tourism goes.

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This would be pretty cool. I hope ECHDC can pull it off.

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When Roger Trettel was looking at this land and elevator to buy and develop he had what I think is an ispired use for this: He wanted to use the silos as a platform to build a two story building atop the silo. Put a big cantalevered porch over the whole thing and have an office/condo two story building on top. The view would be high rise, but the builidng itself would only be two stories. An elevator or two would go inside the silos. I loved that idea.

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I hope that they are not short sighted on this, and if the possibility of extending the bridge/roadway through the silos is possible I think it could be pretty great and unique.

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If it's structurally possible to go right through the silos, and ECHDC commits to reinforce the structure, then I think it would be really compelling to have the silos serve simply as ornamentation to the bridge.

If/when structural improvements are made to the silos as a part of the bridge construction, ECHDC could potentially lease the interiors of the silo to be adaptively reused for commercial activity (nightclubs, performance halls, gallery spaces, medical marijuana groweries, etc).

That Grain Elevator will be at the epicenter of the redeveloped outer harbor, which will make adaptive reuse a more immediately attractive option.

We can call the bridge "The Grainway"

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you might as well aim your mouse for the downvote button now because i am going to be the lone voice in the wilderness saying that our grain elevators are our cathedrals. we have the world's largest collection of them. and, as others keep saying, they were the inspiration for architectural modernism.

putting a bridge through the middle of one of them is as unthinkable as running a bridge through the middle of the richardson towers.

it is high time for a local preservation district to protect them. i just don't get this knee-jerk demolish or mutilate response.

i can even foresee a time when gas is $10 or $20 and suddenly it is economical to move grain through buffalo again.

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even if gas hits $20/gallon, wouldn't it still be cheaper to keep the grain on the ship through the Welland Canal and out to the Atlantic instead of crossloading it to trains in Buffalo? I don't have any expertise on such matters, but I'm guessing that the intermodal transfers incur substantial costs.

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I completely agree with you that our grain elevators are like cathedrals. But I think the idea of restoring that particular elevator as a part of the outer harbor bridge construction is really compelling for two reasons: 1) it improves the visibility and appreciation of the structure by positioning them centrally in any outer harbor redevelopment; and 2) we'd end up getting two silos (or one cut into two) that will be structurally improved to accommodate interior adaptive reuse.

I'm as vigorous as any preservationist, but I think the bridge could be made more iconic and more famous with an adaptively reused grain elevator at its end.

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So, they're afraid to build to the north of the thing because it might impact SOMEONE'S VIEW OF THE THING!? Are you serious?! I'd think that's a good idea, given the second thought - that it's NOT SAFE.

So instead, let's go straight through the thing... the unsafe thing... spend untold millions locking it up so it doesn't f'ing fall down.

Ye gods.

Make these things work or reuse them somehow. Driving a bridge through the middle seems really stupid to me. Who the hell is going to divert their drive through WNY just to drive through the darkness of a grain elevator? What the hell are you going to see? Industrial crap! Concrete! Oh, the view will be mahhhhvelous!

Build the bridge at Erie St, it'll be cheaper and you can avoid the whole stinking mess.

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It's going to give the neighborhood a unique urban character that cannot be recreated. It will make out waterfront compelling and noteworthy. The continued existence of the historic structures will inform us of who we are, and will inform our civic identity and will visually illustrate the City's grand history and proud heritage.

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This grain elevator is not what makes our waterfront "compelling and noteworthy." It's the waterfront itself. We're talking about the shores of Lake Erie, one of the largest bodies of fresh water on the face of the Earth. Its history predates both these "historic structures" and the city's entire "grand history." I'd prefer to see Lake Erie emphasized on the waterfront, and not the industrial past so much. It's just my opinion (but go ahead and down vote me for holding it). I would simply rather have an unobstructed view of the Lake than a view of the grain elevator, which I don't find aesthetically pleasing and only moderately historically significant. These may not be found in every city, but they are found in some. So it's not true to say they're even unique to Buffalo.

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I am not opposed to any of these options. As for keeping or demolishing the grain elevators I have mixed feelings. Some of them are really interesting and others not so much. The one in question above I particularly like because of its location. If it can at least be lit up at night that would be interesting. There are a lot of ways to turn these things from eyesores to points of interests. Perhaps a mural saying “welcome to elevator alley” or something acknowledging their significance to the general public who may not realize how unique they are. I imagine cleaning some of them up would be less expensive than demolition considering how they were so well built. Start with the ones on the outer harbor and move up river as the opportunity allows. In some cases it might be just a matter of cleaning the surrounding property of debris.

I also think that if we are stuck with the skyway for the unforeseeable future light it up like the Peace Bridge. The best thing we can do as a city is embrace where we came from and not be so ashamed of some of the industrial past that’s left. But with that we must be realistic. If keeping / restoring 6 grain elevators means we have to tear down 3 then so be it.

On another note it would be great if someone started a Grain Elevator boat tour. I think if more people know the significance of the elevators they might not be so opposed to keeping some around. Plus I think that could be a nice little extra tourism draw to Canal Side.

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ERIE STREET BRIDGE PLEEEASE!!! This looks terrible! Uniquely terrible!

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You do realize that regardless of the bridge they build first, they will inevitably build the rest of them?

The first bridge will be a bridge designed for 10,000 vehicles. To remove the skyway, you need to move 40,000 vehicles. The main street bridge is an inevitable bridge to be built.

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Michigan Street Bridge, Put it Back!

Why are we making the continuity from the city to the outer harbor a focal point? Yes I understand that this is a key element but the concentration on accomodating automobiles this close to Canal Side makes no sense at all. Has anyone thought that the outer harbor might actually be successfully developed both residentially and commercially? Recreational boat traffic especially on Tuesday and Wednesday nights will have the lift bridge up and down every few minutes during the "rush" hour? What then do we do with all the to and fro traffic.

Still scratching my head planners, not sure if we've done our homework on this one.

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I think it is odd that they are using up one of the most unique parcels of land in the city (the tip of that peninsula) for a road. Why not push the road back a few hundred feet and leave this land for high end development? You could sell the land and offset the bridge cost. If they did that the elevator would not even be an issue. Seems like a no brainer to me. Am I missing something here?

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Yeah, the fact that they would ever be able to sell the grain elevator sight for anything close to the 30-50 million that it's going to cose to get a bridge built.

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Rebuild the Michigan Street lift bridge. It makes the most sense because the rights of way are already there and most of the infrastructure is already in place. Either way, you will need a lift bridge for the General Mills freighters and all of the sail boats moored at RCR marina.

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I SECOND THE MICHIGAN STREET LIFT BRIDGE BEING RECONSTRUCTED. But the Erie Street bridge should be the main corridor bridge for Canalside. The Main street alternative along with the Skyway is way too congested and aesthetically busy.

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I'm with you guys about that bridge. I believe General Mills objects to that reconnection. But I'm not sure how important a consideration that should be.

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"ECHDC began designing a Main Street alternative that avoided the grain elevator to the north. However, after speaking with several stakeholders groups, there was concern that a bridge in this location would negatively impact the view of the grain elevator from the inner harbor - where most people can see it."

Negatively impact the view of the grain elevator? You've got to be kidding me. How about the grain elevator is negatively impacting the view of our waterfront/harbor? Do you really think the majority of people want to feel like they are visiting a halfway remediated brownfield site when they visit the waterfront? "Ohh, look at the beautiful rusting monstrosity of concrete. Hey kids, let's get a family picture next to that to send to Grandma." C'mon people.

Maybe we should also put some high end condo's across from the Bethlehem Steel property. The condo's with views will sell for a premium because for the opportunity to have unobstructed views, 24/7, of America's industrial past.

Last I heard, the Port of Newark-Elizabeth in NJ has been one of America's most popular waterfront tourism destinations too. Right up there next to Cape Cod: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Container_port_facilities_in_Newark_Bay.JPG

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I have been in and around this particular elevator many times. In the ‘90s my parents kept their boat at the dock and facilities on this property. It was not uncommon to have debris from the upper portion of the structure blow onto the boat after a strong storm. There were numerous fires and other acts of vandalism, which, strangely, never involved the boats . . . Either way, this place was (is) in bad shape, but (I am not a professional) I think it commands such a presence when you’re next to it that allowing it to continue down the dangerous path of deterioration is foolhardy.

Back in the Bass Pro era when the Inner Harbor model was first displayed, it depicted the bridge running through the middle of this structure. Back then, despite that portion of model lacking detail, I thought it was pretty damn neat. This rendering, despite the Soviet Bloc bridge, is even “cooler”. The way the bridge penetrates the building, it looks like the mighty ruins of a castle with its drawbridge down.

I personally think this would make an excellent gateway to the Outer Harbor and could play nicely with the theme of Canalside. Is it practical? I know not, but my “SimCity”/geek reaction is overwhelming positive.

I second brownteeth’s recommendation for a grain elevator tour boat. This could be a really cool add on to the architecture/history bus tours of the city – just replace the bus with an old surplus DUKW that could go from land to water using a launch near Canalside. When I lived in Baltimore they had a very popular “Duck” Tour of the city’s architecture and history (the building I lived in – a converted pre-Civil War era sail cloth factory turned Victorian era pajama manufacturing facility – was a “stop”). The small booth on the inner harbor grew in a few years to a large post-modern/industrial designed building of compelling design. At times, there would be a line going out the door to get tickets (most frequently around Memorial Day or July 4th).

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Building a road through a grain elevator is as stupid as building a road through a redwood tree!

Building the bridge at Main Street requires building two bridges and taking property from General Mills.

But I agree that building two bridges is the way to go. One bridge at Michigan Avenue and one bridge at Erie Street.

Of course, in the spirit of the Robert Moses build the longest bridge possible across the Tapanzee, another State agency wants to build a bridge across the widest place on the Buffalo River.

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the "through" option would preserve the structure for historic reference and create a unique attraction. I love the idea. For the progressive, it gives you your bridge to the outer harbor and for the preservationist, it largely saves the structure from demo. It is as close to a win-win as we can get.

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I see this as a win-win too. It's taking two steps forward while taking no steps back.

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The skinflint in me wants to rebuild the old drawbridge by General Mills and call it a day. I'm a little skeptical of the necessity of building another big span across the river (and paying more bridge operators 24/7 on top of construction and maintenance costs). But that ship seemingly has sailed and they didn't agree with me, so based on the above . . .

I have to say I find the idea of driving through a grain elevator pretty appealing. It would be an authentic symbol of the city; it would provide a concrete (no pun intended) connection to our past. I do like it.

Maybe at night we could shine old industrial movies at the walls--black and white mid century industry movies showing things like steel making and grain loading, etc., showing what Buffalo was back in the day. A little entertainment as you drive up and through.

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We def need people paying attention to a movie as they drive throught the grain elevator, great suggestion.

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I knew that would cross everyone's mind, but I don't think it would be that distracting. It's going to be pretty slow traffic to begin with. But I'll admit it's an off the wall idea.

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I don't like this idea as it cuts right through canal side. Through traffic should be put somewhere on the edge.

The mayor needs to step up with a plan on what to do with these elevators. Pick out which ones to keep and which to let go.

I could see this one in particular being redeveloped more easily than the others once a bridge is up. Its proximity to downtown and unobstructed views would make it desirable.

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As I commented before MAIN ST. is RAIL ONLY! What am I missing?

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I think they have two options.

If the grain elevators are in good condition and they build through it, then the grain elevators will most likely be preserved as best as they can with the "through" option.

If the grain elevators are in bad condition, then the ECHDC would want to demolish it. However, the preservationists would go nuckin futs over that, so no they won't demolish it. With the cost too high, they might work on an Erie street Bridge instead. A ferry between main st and the outer harbor might be a better option if the Erie street bridge is built.

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If you've read the OSC "debate" then the abandon grain elevator - our cathedral to the past - will have more say in our future than the bridge connecting downtown and the OH. Sounds like the preservationists will stop ANYTHING related to grain elevator re-use.

They'd probably rather have a bridge go around it and let it rot, like GLF, rather than come up with a unique project. They talk about other cities and their reuse projects, but if Buffalo comes up with its own ideas then its ridiculous.

Driving through this elevator would be awesome, but I'm sure we'll never see it happen here. We can only hope they do it to a grain elevator in Cheboygan, then it'll be OK!

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