Real Estate December 1, 2010 8:40 AM

Jeffrey M. Goldfarb & Associates Relocates to Downtown

Jeffrey M. Goldfarb & Associates Relocates to Downtown

In recent months both TVGA and Alliance Advisory Group announced relocations from suburban locations to a vacant downtown building.  Engineering firm TVGA has moved into 620 Main Street where its 50 local employees occupy the ornate 18,250 sq.ft. building.  On Delaware Avenue, Alliance Advisory Group has purchased 600 Delaware Avenue, a 21,300 sq.ft. building it will renovate and shift its 35 local employees from Williamsville.  Both are taking sizable chunks of commercial space off of the market.

Smaller tenants are also relocating to downtown.  They don't make headlines but often relocate for the same reasons as large firms: central location, convenience, amenities, and a sense that downtown is on an upswing.

Jeffrey M. Goldfarb & Associates, whose advisors offer financial planning and wealth management, is one of those smaller firms.  It has relocated its offices to the historic Ellicott Square Building's ninth floor. The move was made to accommodate the firm's need for additional space due to recent growth.  Jeffrey M. Goldfarb & Associates is an independent firm and was founded in 1988.

DSC_0252e.JPGThe company expanded from 1,200 sq.ft. in Williamsville to 2,100 sq.ft. of space and recently added one new employee bringing its staff number to five.  The company expects to hire two additional employees in the next year.

Their new office suite offers state-of-the-art technologies for the benefit of clients, while remaining user friendly.

"We wanted to keep things simple, and still incorporate cutting edge technologies," said Jeffrey Goldfarb, the firm's president and branch manager.  "The additional space gives us the opportunity to do things we couldn't do in our old space." 

For Goldfarb, the timing was right for a downtown move.

"We wanted to be in the heart of the city," said Goldfarb.  "We love Buffalo and believe in its future. The Ellicott Square building is not only one of Buffalo's architectural gems, but also the perfect location for our firm due to its convenience and accessibility. Historic preservation is very near and dear to my heart, so our move made perfect sense."

"We looked for space in the Larkin District and a few other downtown locations before choosing the Ellicott Square Building," added Goldfarb. 

"There's been a significant amount of creative reuse of buildings downtown, a lot of housing, new restaurants and urban amenities that are attractive to businesses like mine," he said.  "Slowly but surely downtown is developing critical mass.  Downtown is competitive again.  So much of the office space in the suburbs is bland.  Old is good."

"I always wanted to be downtown," added Goldfarb.  "I'm an urban guy, I live in the city."

Get Connected: Jeffrey M. Goldfarb & Associates, 716.842.0145

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The Ellicott Square Building really is a nice place.

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I'm very excited to see a business take a step like this towards downtown. Hopefully we will see others make a similar move and truly see, "downtown as developing critical mass. Downtown as competitive again."

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Agreed. Excited to see businesses relocating FROM the suburbs. Bring on the wave

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This is more good news for Downtown Buffalo. It got me thinking for a moment that all the worry people had about the events at City Grill last August and its possible negative effects on Downtown seem to have come to naught.

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Great news, a little here and a little and maybe, just maybe downtown won't be considered a job quarry for the exploitation by townships with cheap land but will again be seen as a part of a larger \ integral part of the region and its economy. Welcome downtown guys I am sure you will enjoy your new amenities and location!

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I also moved a small team of 4 people into Ellicott Square a few years ago. The smaller spaces in Buffalo's historic buildings are ideal for smaller companies, start-ups, small regional offices, etc. While our firm is a prominent new media company comprised of 600+ employees, we only have a few employees in Buffalo and needed a small space. I chose downtown vs. the suburbs due to the central location (employees from both Northtowns and Southtowns have convenient commute to downtown), proximity to airport is reasonable and nearby restaurants and hotels are convenient for when other employees are in town. Most importantly, rent is affordable, often less expensive than suburbs. With the abundance of older Class B and Class C space in Buffalo, it would be great to see these spaces more actively marketed as incubator space for startups, and small companies.

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It is all about the City vs the Suburbs, isn't it?

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No, It is about creating a density and critical mass of people which will then support the kind of vibrancy that is found in the most attractive and successful cities. When companies concentrate toward the center the entire region benfits.

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Real news that we need to hear is a company relocating from Charlotte to Buffalo, or Chicago to Buffalo. Hell, we can't even get dedicated expats like Steel and WestCoastPerspective to move back, and they love this place. It is no wonder that we aren't attracting larger corporations to the area. In the meantime we will keep fighting with the suburbs and rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic while we tell the passengers that there is nothing to worry about.

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I agree with Bobby. Most of Charlotte the city is banking headquarters. What incentives can we give business to move to Buffalo or From NYC to Buffalo or other cities in the US. Maybe we need the Hong Kong money like Toronto and Niagara Falls gets with Asian populations. Build huge Chinatown or something. What is the answer? Gentrification just dosent seem like its enough population sprawl back from burbs to Buffalo to make a huge enough impact. Seems like the Casino was not the answer even gamblers feel the effects of the bliss economy.

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The suburbs have pirated business from Buffalo for the past 50 years by using tax breaks and subsidies. That short sighted and selfish action has "rearranged the deck chairs on the Titanic". When only the city was suffering few seemed to care but now that the whole region is affected there is a new awareness and demand for action.

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Businesses weren't pirated, they chose to move to places that were better for business. I am glad that some of them decided to stay in the area instead of moving south.

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The suburbs didn't take Trico, Bethlehem Steel, Republic Steel, Standard Milling, General Motors, Ford, Rich Products, National Gypsum, American Brass, Carborundum, Buffalo Forge, etc.

These companies chose to leave Buffalo, or lay-off the majority of their Buffalo workforce while keeping workers employed in other cities. Take a trip through Buffalo and Lackawanna, it is a graveyard of Buffalo's industrial and business past. There are very few of these companies that moved to the suburbs. Most either relocated to other cities or countries, or ceased operations all together.

This had a much greater impact on the region than the handful of companies that relocated to the suburbs and the handful that chose to locate in the suburbs instead of the city.

There are many reasons that companies chose other locations over Buffalo. Most of those reasons have to do with the political and labor environment that we, Buffalonians, created. If we are pointing fingers, we need to point them right at ourselves, because we caused the majority of the issues we are dealing with today. Things like a government that punished non-union businesses in the city, government that continually delayed approvals, or over-inspected new builds to the point that building became prohibitive.

The suburbs play a role in our demise, but they also play an equal role in maintaining some stability for our region. If the suburbs were not offering competitive incentives for companies, there is a good chance that many companies would have left WNY, or chosen not to locate here in the first place.

Bobbycat is correct, we need to increase our region's attractiveness for companies to locate here. Right now, we have so many things stacked against us. These include the unfavorable business climate of NYS, the perception of our horrible weather, our rust belt image, the perception of a hostile workforce, and taxes, taxes, taxes.

Open your eyes and move beyond the victim mentality. Our entire region is seriously suffering. Moving a company from the suburbs to the city is no more of a victory than a company moving from the city to the burbs.

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Rich's has 1300 people working in the Buffalo area.

replied to sho'nuff
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Rich Products has 630 employees working in their offices on Niagara Street, down from over 1,000 a few years ago. They do have 1,300 total WNY employees working for various entities under the Rich Products umbrella. This is according to a Buffalo News Article from August, 2010.

They have decided to move all manufacturing out of Buffalo, with the last line closing this year. These jobs have gone to Arlington, Tennessee; Waycross, Georgia; and Brunswick, Georgia. These are lines that used to work in Buffalo. Some other work has been sent offshore or consolidated to subsidiaries that Rich has purchased.

This leaves the Rich Headquarters in Buffalo, with primarily sales, support, and front office jobs. The lower-skilled jobs have moved to more favorable climates. The company is also starting to backfill corporate sales and support jobs in other markets instead of Buffalo. A quick search of Indeed.com shows 93 of these jobs open and cross-listed with Buffalo.

I take it you have no argument with the other companies I mentioned.

BTW, you also missed the point of my comment, but I am not surprised by this. You generally only cling to one line that you don't agree with and use that to refute the entire post.

replied to STEEL
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Actually - The manufacturing jobs went to a company in Ohio. They outsourced the manufacturing because the stuff they made in Buffalo was not part of their core product mix. There are people working all over the world for Rich's which is mainly a result of their purchase of commapnies all over the world. Only 31 employees lost their jobs becasue of this. Their WNY employment base has steadily grown in WNY and they say it will continue to grow.

Making a point is valid. Making stuff up to make a point is a waste of time. I know it is fun to be all gloom and doom about Buffalo all the time but you should just stick to real stuff.

http://www.buffalonews.com/business/article99420.ece

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Actually Steel, you will need to trust me on this one, and if you don't trust me then check your sources again. There is manufacturing in many facilities across the country and around the world. The jobs that were moved from Buffalo primarily moved to Tennessee and Georgia. Your reference is to the final closure of the line that was announced this year, this was great for the current number of employees but falls painfully short on details regarding the relocation of jobs. You will need to research back from 1995 - 2002 to find references to the mass loss of Rich jobs in this area.

I am not making things up, but you are making assumptions and arguments on only a small sliver of the facts. Please don't try to paint a rosy picture with such a limited palette of colours.

I listed ten other companies above, and can probably list a dozen more. You are focusing on only one, and quibbling over insignificant details. The fact is that these manufacturing jobs have left the area, whether they went to Ohio, Tennessee, Thailand, or the Moon, the fact is that they are no longer here. Rich Products, and other companies, made the decision to relocate from Buffalo for various reasons. We need to stop making excuses and analyze these reasons to figure out what we need to do to make our position and condition better.

I know that people give you a hard time about living in Chicago and posting about the future of Buffalo. You have said yourself that you would move back to Buffalo but we do not have the... you said it.. JOBS! That is what this post is about, stop the lateral hostility with the suburbs and look at improving the economic viability of the entire region. Take care!

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There were once 300 manufacturaing jobs at Rich's in Buffalo all of which are now gone. This last 31 was not substantial nor is it major news. They were lost to a company in Ohio according to the story you quoted. The HQ on the contrary expanded substantially over the last few decades as evidenced by the very large white building they renovated not long ago and they state in that same story that it will continue to expand. Rich's also states that they have something exciting in mind for the site were the closed manufacturaing facility is.

I made no mention or comment on the other businesses nor did I question your point. All I am saying is that your point is not made by making crap up about Rich's.

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Give it up, Steel is preaching on deaf ears these days. If he really wanted to live in Buffalo, he would move here, you can't tell me someone with his education can't find a job here. He's safe in Chicago and that will never change. I agree with you, we need to find try to keep companies here in Buffalo. A few new apartments and condos downrown won't cut it.

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Your right on Tom, Steel can pick and chose his arguments because he has no real stake in the game. My view is the collapsing buildings and vandalized grain elevators along Route 5, his view is Chicago from his hi rise urban condo. He is doing more to tear apart and divide the good people of Buffalo and we all know that we don't need any more of that here.

replied to sho'nuff
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Your argument always starts with the false premise of equality between the city and the suburbs, and with that implies the city was equally responsible for creating the problems we face.

Almost every post war decision by Federal, State, and Local government undermined the cities while enabling suburban developement. Highways built purely for convenient commuting were rammed through the heart of stable old neighborhoods destroying the livability and driving down values. Mortgage dollars were directed out of cities by the FHA, VA, and other lenders. Suburban governments used zoning, car dependant design, and outright intimidation to contain the poorest and minorities in the city. Business's were aggressively pirated from Buffalo with bribes of taxpayer dollars. Just a few examples, I am sure others could add more.

Then there is the crude and rude hate of the city by some that we see here or in conversations in anyplace WNY. More disturbing is the quieter, gentler form of offering false concern while making it clear that there are too many problems with "the schools, crime, neighborhoods or undesirable people" to consider living here. That is usually followed by some incredulous look when volunteering that your children were raised in Buffalo and have survived unscathed.

There are a hand full of suburban critics here on BRO but for the most part it is a steady stream of city bashing pretty much everywhere else. There is no evidence that our city or citizens have ever taken any action detrimental to the well being of our suburban neighbors, sadly that favor was not reciprocal.

To claim we are equally responsible for the state of WNY is dishonest and ignores history as well as the experience of many city residents during the past 50 years.

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Your lack of perspective of anything but the view from your tiny Blackrock window and your inability to play only the victim card would be funny...if it was not so sad.

Every one of those Federal, State, and Local government decisions that you want to bitch about today...were made across the US. Yet Buffalo has fared so much worse than other regions. Other cities have grown or maintained stability, in step, with suburbs, yet Buffalo just marches to it's own drummer.

The political and labor environment is what did the most damage. The legacy's of Brown, Masiello, Griffin and the dirty politics they thrived in are what did the damage.

50 years of bad decisions is why Buffalo is not like Chicago or Boston but closer to Cleveland and Detroit. Other areas were able to make better decisions. Period.

The reality is the suburbs were going to happen. Ignorant fools like you can wish that a wall was put up around Buffalo 50 years ago...but if it was...Buffalo would be a town today. Like it or not, as sho'nuff pointed out, the region has benefited from the likes of Amherst and Orchard Park. Without them, people would not choose to live next to you in Blackrock but rather in another region entirely.


Places like Amherst and Orchard Park have been waiting for Buffalo to pull its head out of its ass and move forward. They want to be a part of a thriving region but they are not going to sacrifice their well being for the good of a city that can not make the right choices on their own.

But the mindset that you have, which in my opinion is shared by far too many, is going to have to die off before any significant changes are made.

Clean your house and the burbs will follow.

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Your moniker says it all, you obviously don't understand pride of place or commitment to a city and neighborhood.

As for my "tiny Black Rock window", your ignorance of my perspective simply displays arrogance and lack of respect for a view that is outside your narrow window of understanding.

To your points, cities across the nation have and continue to suffer from those government decisions that favored suburban developement, even those deemed successful today.

As for Brown, Masiello, and Griffin, they are recent history, the damage was done long before they took office. Maybe you are too young or uninformed to have known that.

Your suggestion to "clean your house and the burbs will follow" is just silly and again displays the ignorance and arrogance I referred to in my previous post.

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So anyone who does not live in the COB..should not have a say or opinion? Great...I look forward to you telling WCP and Steel the same.

My two favorite replies are:

If you left, regardless of who you are, what you do, what your education is, what value you bring to your community....Buffalo is better off.

You have to live in Buffalo to understand Buffalo. No matter how much time you previously live there or how much time you visit or how much time you spend tracking changes...you have to live inside of the city to understand how it work.

I would not think you were such an idiot if you could simply admit that Buffalo voters had a hand in creating the current situation. Were there outside forces and items that led to some of the issues the city faces today? The answer is yes. However, a lot...if not the majority of the issues facing Buffalo today are a direct result of the actions..or inaction of the residents.

As I mentioned before, the items that you claim are the only reasons for the decline of Buffalo have happened all over the US. Each city/region dealt with these issues differently and thus found different levels of failure and success.

The only thing that is unique to Buffalo is how they deal with challenges...not the challenges themselves.


If you were to say...what is done is done and we need to move forward, I would not find you to be so ignorant. If you were to say WNY needs to move forward..together..to build the future..that would make sense.

If you were to say, we need to build Buffalo back up...but do it without taking down the surrounding towns..that would make sense. But you can not do this.

The reason is once you accept this, you then have to expand your view of the world and compare Buffalo to other cities. You would have to say how can Buffalo beat out Charlotte for a company, instead of how can Buffalo beat out Amherst for a company that is in Orchard Park.

You, and people who think like you, would have to swallow the pill that is coming to terms with YOUR mistakes and then working on fixing them. Playing the victim, which you love to do, is easier.

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Name calling like "idiot" or "fool" just verifies that you lack the intellectual capacity to debate the merits of the issue. No surprise from someone with such a pessimistic and arrogant viewpoint. Probably some misplaced guilt for not being able to make a go of it here.

The decline of Buffalo had everything to do with the concentration of poverty and the inability to annex the surrounding towns. This was not something the citizens of Buffalo could control. The inner ring suburbs are starting to experience the same problems as the city and will likely follow the decline. Kinda negates your whole "blame the city first" argument.

As for the usual claim of "playing the victim", it just doesn't hold up. Pointing out the inequality and past mistakes is the only way to move forward. Too bad if it makes you and others uncomfortable in acknowledging the role suburban developement has played in decimating our city.

Finally, your comment about "coming to terms with your mistakes and fixing them" is especially insulting. I have worked for over 30 years to better my neighborhood and city along with countless others throughout Buffalo. Maybe people like you need to step up and take responsibilty for your part in bringing us to where we are today.

replied to longgone
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I am not assuming equality between the City and the suburbs, in fact the city had a significant upper-hand for most of the 20th Century. Prior to the end of WWII, the citie had the expensive real estate, the jobs, the factories, the schools, the universities, etc. The suburbs were the one at the disadvantage until as recently as the 70s and 80s.

We all know that there are a lot of factors that contributed to the spread of the suburbs. These have been discussed at length in the past. Things like reactions to Civil Rights, the new affluence of the booming economy, the availability of affordable automobiles made possible by Henry Ford, high prices for real estate in the city, government programs that enticed people to move to the suburbs.

The facts are that there were programs that supported the city and programs that supported the suburbs. There is no equality or parity, sometimes the pendulum swings right and sometimes it swings left. The fact remains that Buffao had a lot of chances to reverse the negative impacts of suburban sprawl and the mass exodus from the region. Our elected officals, business leaders, and union leaders didn't react to the changing environments. Our schools didn't adjust to the changing demographics and socio-economic conditions. We continued to feed into the machine politics instead of looking objectively at what we needed to survive the crisis that we have been in for the past 40 years. We worship Jimmy Griffin as a hero in Buffalo, but the guy did nothing to help us economically during the peak of our crisis. These are our issues in the City. The suburbs may have provided an escape for residents who didn't like what was happening in the city. THe suburbs were then replaced by the government sponsored economic boom in the south. The migration out of state had a much deeper impact on our region than the migration from city to suburb. Even our elected officials were making comments about taking their NY retirement to the south as far back as the early 70s and 80s.

I don't see the suburbs or city competing on par against each other, just the opposite. They need to figure out how to pool their collective strengths to fight the real threats. This is similar to the GM, Ford, and Chrysler fighting amongst themselves while the Japanese auto companies kicked their collective butts. We need to learn from the past, stop playing the victim, and figure out what we need to do to move forward as a region.

Stop blaming the suburbs for what happened in the city, we had every chance to stop it but didn't bother because it was too damn hard.

replied to Blackrocklifer
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Speak for yourself, we do not "worship Jimmy Griffin", he represented the redneck, racist, and hateful. He was like a precursor to the Tea Party today.

I also take issue with your blanket statement "we had every chance to stop it but didn't bother because it was too damn hard". Nothing could be further from the truth, many in Buffalo have worked hard for decades to stem the decline and invest in their neighborhoods. Many continue to do so even when the ROI is unlikely to be positive. You need to stop being so quick to blame those in the city while consistently acting as an apologist for the suburbs.

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BlackRock PatheticLifer, your ignorance and hypocritical statement about the Tea Party shows your complete ignorance and lack of intelligence. The TEA Party is about taxes and smaller government, not race...YOU make things about race. Obviously the majority spoke loud and clear about whether the Tea party is relevant with the biggest election sweeps Nov 2 in modern day history. Wake up BlackRock, your victim mentality makes you a sad sad liberal.

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Actually Ron, the Tea Party lost more elections than they won but keep on believing, they depend on uninformed and ignorant people to stay relevant.

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If the Teabaggers were about smaller government and taxes, then where were they during the past 8 years under AWOL bush and the repukes who were handed a surplus and over 22 million jobs and gave us a great recession with only just about ONE million jobs created in eight pathetic years.

They only got upset when a black man dared enter their "White House".

All teabaggers are racists and bigots at heart. Period.

I've been around them when they think that as a white man I'd agree with their racist garbage - heartily spewing the "N" word to make their endless bigoted points.

Sorry if the truth hurts...

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I like many of your points which seem to be valid concerns. We have to remember that Buffalo's story has been repeated in many cities in the Great Lakes region. Urbam sprawl Has happened every where.

In areas with a better economic base we have megacities. I think everything is economically based.

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Last I checked the Ford plant on Buffalo is doing pretty solid. Ford recently invested $218 million in the plant and they employ 1000 workers.

http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=28317

replied to sho'nuff
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This is a good move for the city, I am glad to see new life along Main Street and in othr areas of the city.

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I wonder if Mr. Goldfarb is related to Seymour Goldfarb Jr., heir to the Goldfarb Girdles fortune.

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Companies are choosing downtown over the suburbs? Oh no that must be a mistake. In other discussions arguing against downtown redevelopment, "realists" have told me that the office market is fixed and new construction will only pirate tenants from other downtown buildings. The fact that other companies may chose to do business downtown would turn that idea on its head. A "realist" cant be wrong... right?

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I grew up in the suburbs during the 60's (Elma) and never travelled into the city until I moved to University Heights in 1976. Have lived and worked in the city ever since. Growing up I wondered why anyone would ever want to live in Buffalo. Dirty, crowded & unsafe - that was my perception.

Blackrocklifer is more right than all of you attacking him. The national gasoline tax of the 50's which funded the interstate highway system essentially ensured the rise of the suburbs across America. Got it. And I'll concede that Buffalo has a history of electing leaders who were incapable of understanding the issues, let alone addressing them.

But how does any of that affect the reality that over the last 20 years, we have tripled our land-use footprint in Erie & Niagara Counties, despite the fact that we are losing population. The sprawl is killing us economically as a region, yet the towns continue to aggressively pursue development. Their logic - more development = more taxes. You want 200 Verizon jobs? Don't provide national & state programs that make it worthwhile to locate massive server plants on former industrial sites - make sure we give them 150 acres of farmland so that we can turn the entire region into one large suburb.

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But how does any of that affect the reality that over the last 20 years, we have tripled our land-use footprint in Erie & Niagara Counties, despite the fact that we are losing population. The sprawl is killing us economically as a region, yet the towns continue to aggressively pursue development.


The sprawl did not kill the region. The lack of population to fill in is what hurt the region. The inability to shift the economy to keep jobs in the area is what hurt the region.

Honest question...

If none of the infrastructure improvements and public policies that people claim to help sprawl were put in place...do you honestly think the COB would be a dense city of 600K + residents?

The answer is NO. Buffalo would still be where it is today but Erie County would have 200k residents instead of 700k residents. The people where were going to move to the burbs...were ALWAYS going to move to the burbs. They just would have moved to another region if WNY did not provide for it.


All in all, WNY has a solid foundation for growth. But for that growth to be achieved, the COB needs to compete with other cities and not with the surrounding towns. The COB needs to leverage the solid suburbs to its advantage and grow...not deplete them to infill.


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Another factor in the demise of the American city and the rise of the suburbs was precipitated by the Cold War. Among growing, and real fears, of nuclear attack, the government took a path towards decentralized living. By encouraging a populace to be dispersed, rather than located in one easy target, the Federal government believed this would ensure a better scenario for survival of America come a full scale exchange with our Soviet foes. It was not until the mid to late seventies (although the concept had been bandied about the DoD since the early sixties) that the folly of this was exposed when the true impact of a full scale exchange was revealed. MAD became the moniker which brought about agreements like SALT – no one, anywhere, was safe from the resulting environmental cataclysm caused by a full scale exchange.

Now – you’re probably wondering what the hell does this have to do with the demise of Buffalo? A lot. The Federal and State programs that made the suburbs attractive to “middle class” Americans and business were partially predicated on this decentralization concept. By the time the folly of this concept was exposed, it was too late. The groundwork had been laid down and a generation of people born under the shadow of the mushroom cloud were raised to believe the American Dream consisted of a home in the ‘burbs, a car (or two) in the garage, and a nice sprawling wade ‘o turf. We have forgotten why the suburbs came to be (it being complex and multifaceted), and we now accept them as a part of life.

I assure you, there is no evil coven existing in the suburbs which hexes and conspires against the city. People are too concerned with their day to day lives to be bothered with the idea that each new subdivision destroys a neighborhood somewhere else (in a place such as this with a static population), consumes more virgin land, and increases the overall tax burden of everyone in the form of increased infrastructure. What they see is convenience, jobs, and that glittery “something new”. It is not a conscious effort, but one symptomatic of this Nation in general (and humanity as a whole) – ingrained ignorance and short sightedness. Of this, we, ALL Americans, are guilty of and have played a role in destroying everything good about the Urban and Rural landscape by allowing our elected officials to develop the purgatory know as suburbia.

I think it’s great when a business elects to move into the city – this makes sense to me since it (presumably) reduces the overall footprint of economic burden by concentrating money in one place. I do, however, mourn the fact that there is a place somewhere else in WNY that is now empty.

Here in WNY we are suffering from a new form of MAD – city versus suburbs. If we all do not “pull our heads out of our asses” we will surely all sink together. The city, suburbs, and rural governments/economies of WNY need to work together to ensure we do not all become another Gary, Indiana.

I am one of these nitwit dreamers who believes we need to stop pointing fingers and bury the hatchet. While we argue over the tit-for-tat and the various factors, both internal and external, that led us to this current state, the rest of the country is (was) moving forward. We need to adopt a regional plan that has merit and teeth. We need to curb our outward growth and encourage revitalization of what we already have. We need to encourage both large and small businesses to come back to WNY, focusing that growth on the city. We need to encourage the growth and maintenance of local farming and the use of their products right here in WNY. You all know this already, so . . .

The easiest way to start is to be sure you elect like-minded representatives to your government and encourage them to do what’s best for the long term, which is support a regional plan.

Wow – that’s a helluva to do list!

Oh – and congrats on all of these companies/firms on their growth and relocation!

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I don't think anyone would disagree with the need to work together for the sake of the region. The problem is and always has been the self interest of the suburbs and their history of working against the city. The city has no such record of working against the suburbs and has always gotten handed the sh*t end of the stick so to speak.

It is very similar to the Obama Administration attempting to work with the Republicans, they consistently obstruct any move towards compromise or fairness and simply look out for the interests of the wealthy and powerful.

Anyways, appreciate your comments, always reasonable and well thought.

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Blackrocklifer – first off, thanks for taking the time to read what I posted. I know it can be a bit trying since I tend to be a bit on the verbose side. I also appreciate the fact that you agree with the regional work that is needed. The one point that I have to disagree with is the portrayal of the suburbs as a unified front against the city (and rural areas) and its residents.

The self interest you describe I completely agree exists, and the city has been poked in the eye repeatedly by the policies in place that have subsidized the expansion of suburban America; however, this self interest is not isolated to the suburbs. People on a day to day basis and in general are unwilling to measure the affect their own life and personal or political decisions have on others. Suburbanites vote for what benefits them most. City people vote on what benefits them most. “Country folk” vote on what benefits them most. There are very few people that want to expend the energy to see the big picture and recognize the vital symbiosis that has developed in this Nation between these three, very distinct, places/lifestyle. I do not think there is anything personal in these decisions – it’s just ignorance, short sightedness, and the want to preserve the familiar.

You cannot tell me that if there was an issue to be voted upon that would benefit the city but irreparably harm the suburbs you would not vote in favor of it. You cannot tell me that if there was a building of historical importance in the Town of Colden threatened with demolition and one of equal local heritage in Black Rock, and there was a vote to save one and only one, you would not elect to save the building in your neighborhood. It’s human nature and the sense of “place” you mentioned in an earlier post that drives these decisions. I am sure you would not be thinking “screw the Town of Colden” as you voted to save the landmark in Black Rock, but rather justifying the choice built on your familiarity with the place you call home.

Now – don’t get me wrong – I fully understand the economic hobbling and political erosion that has been laid upon the city. With little capital to leverage and a populace discouraged with the choices available to them, coupled with the aforementioned subsidies that benefit the suburbs, there is only a shadow of a hope for the city, no matter how well intentioned the leadership, to command the same level of attractiveness as the suburbs under the current model. It is this “current model” that I think has very few years left in it. With the country and state experiencing record deficits these subsidies will eventually dry up – including those that encourage a petroleum-centric society. All ready there is a reinvestment in cities across the country that, perpetually behind the curve, WNY is starting to embrace. In the 10 years I lived in Baltimore I watched the section of the city I lived in go from a virtual slum of drugs (I moved my furniture over two junkies shooting up on my stoop) and violence (a young man, determined to prove himself to a gang he wished to join, shot a medical student through her front door went she went to answer his knocks) to a lively place full of families, young professionals, and businesses. The Hydraulics remind me of a miniature and less “built out” (and not as aggressively violent) version of the area in which I lived – look what’s going on there now. Slowly but surely I believe Buffalo will claw its way back from the brink, but I sincerely believe everyone in WNY needs to work together to ensure success. You (and many others that post here) and your determination are an example those that choose to re-embrace urban living will follow.

Oh – and Chris Collins is a prime example of the type of “representative” we do not need – he too easily caves to the wants of his backers' pocketbooks instead of doing what’s “right” and “just” for all in Erie County.

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Erie County is one of a few urban counties in the country without a regional planning board. Partners for a Livable WNY lobbied Chris Collins hard for him to support such a board. Their request fell on deaf ears - he lives in Clarence. Coincidence? Nope - just plain old fashioned ignorance. He simply doesn't get it.

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Agreed- Chris Collins lack of leadership and vision has stalled any hope of a regional plan. We need an aggressive advocate of regionalism willing to make the hard decisions that will lead to real growth in WNY, not a conservative protector of the status quo.

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Regionalism has been proposed and shot down for years. Do you remember Joel Giambra's "No Hand-out / No bailout" plan when he was Comptroller of Buffalo? Do you remember the Giambra / Masiello Regionalism Commission formed in 2003/4 that was ultimately killed by Mayor Masiello because he could not get the Buffalo unions to agree to consolidating the Buffalo Police with the County Sheriff's Department, privatizing garbage collection, shifting the Common Council to the County Legislature, Merging city, county, and town offices, etc.

Byron Brown is outspoken against regionalism. This was part of his platform in 2005 when he was running against Kevin Gaughn.

I know you love to take a shot at Chris Collins whenever possible, but let's not throw him under the bus just because he is a Republican who lives in Clarence. Democrats who live in Buffalo have also been against regionalism.

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Great post!

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props to mr. goldfarb for putting his money and his offices where his mouth is. just wait till his employees catch on that they can have really cool loft apartments within walking, biking, or light rail distance from work and don't have to endlessly mow lawns anymore.

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You know nothing of my life, education, or salary, and your baseless assumption is wrong on all counts. You know nothing about my neighborhood, you are not even smart enough to realize Black Rock is two words. Black Rock is a place where pride, integrity, and determination are valued. It is probably hard for you to understand, your view has likely never been challenged by the experience of living in a real community.

I am wasting my time debating a person that lacks not only the basic decency but also the common courtesy necessary for intelligent conversation. Your know it all comments are tiresome, why not find an outlet for your animosity closer to your present home.

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