Real Estate November 22, 2010 9:30 AM

701 Seneca: The Larkin Center of Commerce

701 Seneca: The Larkin Center of Commerce

Progress and development is gaining momentum in the Larkin District and if a trio of local developers have their way, the restoration of one of the largest buildings in the city will add to the transformation of the neighborhood. 701 Seneca will be restored and reused at the tune of $50 million. Seneca Holdings, LLC has big plans for redevelopment, according to Jim Cornell of Praxiis Business Advisors, one of the three principal investors involved with the project.

The property was purchased on October 12 for $3.1 million. Peter Krog of The Krog Corporation and Gordon Reger of Reger Holdings, Inc. are the other principal investors. The partners chose to team together because "It is the right mix of talent and resources, each of us have successfully developed complex real estate projects in the past, and Peter Krog is a gifted engineer with the ability to see solutions to problems often long before others have even framed the question" says Cornell.

701 Seneca is a leftover from the days when Larkin dominated the scene of mail order household goods. It appears to be one massive building, but in fact it's eight different buildings that have been connected into a single complex totaling around 1.3 million sq. ft.

Phase one of the 701 project includes improvements in the façade like windows, new/improved entrances, and elevator improvements. Currently there are negotiations with several large tenants to move into 701 and Jim has plans to move Praxiis' offices to the complex. One of the best qualities of 701 is proximity to the 190 and downtown as well as the large amount of parking. Currently the building has 550 people working in it with an expected increase to 3500 people in the future.

701.jpgAlthough it will likely take until March to get SHPO approval, improvements are currently underway to show progress and investment in the building. These improvements include the construction of a new entrance, replacing damaged stucco, and illuminated signage across the new first story soffit, reminiscent of the signage from the days the Larkin Company was at its peak in the 1920's. Unfortunately this section of Seneca was not included in the streetscape improvements but work is underway to secure funds to extend the improvements.

701 will be restored to the appearance it was in the 1950s/1960s with a full stucco façade. The main reason for this is due to the associated costs of the stucco removal and the resulting damage to the bricks beneath. When the stucco is removed it leaves multiple two inch holes in the brick and would damage the brick to the point of not being restorable.

One of the best improvements that will be made will be the installation of shop windows on the ground floor, as was the historical presence on Seneca Street. The plan is to allow people to window shop, but do so outside of the weather. Areas of the main floor will be pushed into the complex to allow people to step into the building and avoid the weather if desired. The completion date of Phase I is scheduled for December 2011. Subsequent phases will extend several years after that.

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Renderings by NH Architecture from Rochester, NY
Principal Architect, Norbert Hausner

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This looks like a great idea, I hope we can see work on this begin soon.

My question for the urban planners out there. What is the best way to connect the various districts that we are developing in a safe and cost effective manner. For example, how do you connect the Larkin District to the Waterfront, factoring in the railroad tracks, canals, BMHA projects, and industrial sites that divide the two. We want this to be walkable and bike friendly, how do we do that in a cost effective manner.

My fear is that we create little pods of development that are competing with each other instead of maximizing the benefit to the city.

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There are a couple things you do can to bind everything together. Transit is one way. An extension of the light rail to this area would put it just a stop, maybe 2, from downtown and the waterfront. If you worked downtown you could jump out here for lunch, or if you lived east you could park here and commute into downtown. Maybe parking is cheaper out here than downtown (can't really imagine how it could be any cheaper than it is now though, since it is so heavily subsidized by BCARs) It would mentally bring the two places together and almost create an extension of 'downtown' to the east.

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Another, cheaper way would be to work on the streetscapes between here and downtown. Add bike lanes, improve the sidewalks and lighting to make it safer and pleasant to walk back and forth. It isn't a fast walk, but it is definitely an easy walk. I have taken the train downtown and walked to the Larkin district many times. It's only 1.5 miles.

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I agree that simple streetscaping could go a long way in solving some of the disconnect between the Larkin District and downtown. I also made the walk many times this summer and I think it was more a function of the barren landscape than the actual distance that made the trip seem so long... there was just nothing interesting to look at (aside from the wild coyotes).

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I thought that the light rail expansion was deemed to be cost prohibitive and not feasible due to our low population in areas served.

The streetscaping sounds like a good start, but what else can we do? What do other cities do to make this work?

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Totally agree. The Larkin District is kind of out on its own island because of those barriers.

If you built a pedestrian friendly road system, connecting Seneca to Louisiana to South Park, you could connect the Larkin District, the Goldman Ohio street bridge area, and the inner harbor.

Paint in the bike lanes and put trees up. A streetcar line would not be cost effective in the slightest, regardless of the route.

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that looks sooooooooo much better. what a perception changer coming into downtown from the 190

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Just having the facade restored with new windows and signage transforms the entire image of this district. I am curious though how it will only take $50 million when the Statler is supposed to take double that amount? Especially when the Statler needs minimal exterior work compared to this project. Just another reason I feel the $100 million estimate for the Statler is way over estimated.

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Are you serious?

The differences between this complex and the Statler are many. For starters, this will be commercial space, which requires a lot less in terms of build out and interior finishes. At times, the interiors are actually completed by the tenant. Whereas, with the Statler, everything would be turn key.

Go down to the local home store and price out high quality and fire resistant doors, trim, flooring, fixtures and drywall. The price adds up.

Not only to they range in price but the installation costs are massive. It is possible that some of the spaces here will be 5,000 sf with no interior walls and an industrial ceiling. Compare that to the Statler, which has many interior walls with varying finishes like plaster, wall paper and trim. Or if a hotel is done, you are looking at 100 bathrooms with intricate tile instead of 20 bathrooms with industrial tile.

The costs add up.


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I work in commercial construction and I am well aware of the cost of materials. You have to factor the new uses of both buildings. The Statler will most likely be used as a mix of office, retail, hotel and residential. It has been used as such for the past 30 years or more where as this building is being converted from a vast warehouse space to mixed use which will have its issues too. Furthermore, if 701 Seneca will be industrial mixed with office/retail, etc they will have more stringent fire codes to follow vs. non-industrial uses of the Statler. The Statler is already set up to have a bathroom in every room for the hotel floors and there are at least four floors currently set up as offices that only need new paint, flooring and ceiling tile. There are another six or so completely gutted ready for build-out. The Statler is in way more turn key condition than 701 Seneca.

Knowing what I do about the cost of construction and the current condition of the Statler vs 701 Seneca I just do not see a $50 million difference. That’s a lot of money. The fact they are replacing all the windows and completely restoring the massive façade on 701 Seneca puts the Statler way ahead of the game. Especially since both will have to follow SHPO guidelines making it an apples to apples comparison.

I just think the $100 million price tag is being very loosely used and is not realistic at all. I’d be willing to bet that you can make the necessary improvements for about half of that amount. In fact, I bet you could renovate both the Statler and AM&A’s building for $100 million. Oh and by the way, both buildings are considered “commercial” regardless of “residential, office, retail, etc” use.

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I see where you are going but I simply think the interior finishes for the Statler are going to be much higher in quality than 701.

By suggesting that the office spaces only needs new paint, flooring and ceiling tile makes me question your commercial experience. If the Statler was going for low end space, that is one thing. But if they want the class A space market, that is going to require much more than a couple coats of paint.

The comparison should not be between the Statler and 701 but the Statler and Avant and the Avant cost $85M. So to suggest that the Statler could be done for $50M seems off to me...regardless of whatever 'experience' you have. Avant is 400K SF while the Statler is twice that. I think $80M is a safe number if the project is going to be high end.

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I agree that the Statler will definitely require higher end interior finishes but not $50 million worth. My point about some of the office floors just needing “new finishes” is that they do not necessarily need to be completely gutted. I doubt there will ever be class A office space in the Statler. I don’t see the return on that investment anytime soon. The Avant is a good comparison as well. They completely re-skinned the building with a new glass façade and had to gut everything down to the steel and concrete due to the amount of asbestos and it still cost $85 million. The Statler already has a lot of infrastructure in place as well as a lot of demolition completed. My point is that I feel like the $100 million figure is quite of an high estimate considering what has already been completed for less (Avant) and what is projected for a larger facility (701 Seneca).

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I think it's interesting that the large amount of parking is cited as one of the best qualities of this building (and other nearby buildings, while at the same time the people backing the whole "Larkin District" vision talk about returning to a bustling mixed-use neighborhood full of people walking around window-shopping. The two things are rarely compatible, and the newly improved streetscape on Seneca will rather go to waste if everyone just hops in their conveniently parked car, gets on the 190, and drives home after work.

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This is going to be a great addition to the district, hopefully they'll land tenants from outside of Buffalo or local companies looking to expand rather than poaching from the current market.

I think hoping for retail on the street without having any parking is a case of putting the cart before the horse. You're not going to get tenants without decent amounts of parking, and without any office workers and employees of the tenants. As it is today, projects like these require auto-centric amenities.

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Don't get me wrong - I think these developments are great, too. I just think they are promoting two somewhat incompatible things at the same time, and perhaps they should just decide what they want the neighborhood to be and aggressively promote it as such.

Where are the "decent amounts of parking" on Elmwood? There are a couple municipal parking lots, and a very few businesses have private customer parking lots, but for the most part it is on-street parking on Elmwood and the side streets, and seems to work pretty well. I would suggest that if Elmwood had a "large amount of parking" in the form of giant block-sized parking lots it would not be nearly as vibrant or bustling a neighborhood as it is.

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Very true, if Elmwood had ample parking.. it would be like 90% of downtown. So much parking there isn't anything to do there except for park. buildings and people create vibrancy. If the place if worth coming to people will find a way to park and get there.

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the artist rendition is so cosmopolitan all the cars have European plates!

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Good eye. They're all Mercedes Benz, Audi and VW. Ich bin ein Larkiner!

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Haha nice catch!

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Not extending the Metro Rail to the Larkin District at this point would be unforgivable.

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The artist's rendering of the new facade is beautiful and the renovation of this building will inspire redevelopment of the entire area. I know there are a few artists and cultural groups as current tenants of the building under month to month leases. I just hope they are not squeezed out as their inexpensive current rents will inevidently rise as the complex and area become trendy.

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Point of order on light rail:

Although it seems simple enough to extend Metro Rail along the CSX right of way toward the Central terminal and airport, it isnt quite that easy. Due to FRA regulations, all rail passenger vehicles used on shared ROWs must meet heavy rail crash worthiness guidelines - which metro rail (or any other light rail) vehicles do not.

A more expensive alternative (but possibly just as good, if not better) would be to use Exchange St, with potential to go down Seneca.

Also another option would be to use a heavy rail Diesel Multiple Units on the CSX/Amtrak line as part of a Niagara Falls, Buffalo, Airport route.


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Why does it have to be light rail? If the goal is moving people from A to B, why not use trolley cars that go in a loop on the existing streets? The result would be similar but the construction costs would be minimal.

You could do a loop every 15min down Exchange to the Larkin traffic circle and back to Main down Seneca. Run this for a couple of years and show the numbers. Then go after light rail.

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This is when a mayor should be proactive and exploring this type of idea. Some sort of transportation, not involving a bus, needs to connect Larkin to downtown for it to continue its growth or else it will shortly reach its plateau.

Imagine the increase in property values for the area if residents could live and work in the area and take a safe inexpensive ride to downtown for activities.

A Street trolley line would not be expensive(compared to light rail) and will have the same effect.

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I agree, streetcars are a lot cheaper to construct.

But there are longer term costs associated with maintaining 2 vehicle fleets (particularly with the relatively short length of this route).

For example, parts stocks would have to be duplicated for each vehicle type; The repair shops crews and operators would have to be trained on both vehicles; Any proprietary equipment and software may not be compatible; etc.

Additionally, using light rail allows for an existing route to be lengthened instead of creating a separate operational entity. A driver would take a train the length of the system, instead having additional crews.

Further, successful transit systems always seek to reduce the number of transfers to arrive at any point. One seat trips always attract the best ridership. Transfers also add time to a commute, which generally has a negative effect on ridership numbers.

Thats, of course, assuming that its a viable possibility given projected ridership.

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To extend metrorail beyond the HSBC station, they would have to go beyond the larkin district and into south buffalo to make the contruction cost effective.

I can't see any leadership bringing this up, so while I feel like it would be a great idea, I'd be surprised to so NFTA even mention an extension like this.

I completely agree about the reduced staff cost and the importance of having a single line but construction cost difference between the two modes of transportaion is probably atleast 200 million dollars.

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Urban,

I dont know about those numbers - light rail can start at under 20 mil a mile and run up from there - depending on a number of factors. Sure its possible to pay more than 150 mil a mile, but then you are building bridges/elevated stations/tunnels/viaducts/etc.

Streetcars can start much lower - even as low as 3 mil a mile. But a 200 mil difference? Seems improbable to me.

Something to consider, as the annual operating costs build from operating two different systems, the differing modes' start up costs begin to look much more comparable.

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I was just estimating from projections in the 2035 Growth plan, which expanding south to north campus costs around 500mil. I figure to go to larkin would be roughly 300 mil and a trolley route would be roughly 100mil. I am not saying that I know the real numbers just estimations.

I wonder if connecting south buffalo via seneca st or south bailey would make the route more attractive to the NFTA. I don't know the exact population of S. Buffalo but a route connecting from south buffalo mercy hospital to the main st. line would be something amazing.

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This is tremendous. I was driving on the 190, and came in via Elm Oak and thought what an awful, ugly port of entry into Buffalo. This renovation will certainly help to show a revitalized area, but I can't help to think what a cold, parking-lot-ridden city Buffalo can appear to be...at first glance. I love any and all thoughts of more trees, fewer cars, bike/pedestrian friendly lanes, re-fill, etc. I know I am singing to (mostly) choir members here, but it just struck me as an unfortunate (un)welcoming part of our city.

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i vaguely recall that this building is red brick and got plastered over with concrete in the mid-20th century. i appreciate that it'd be cost-prohibitive to remove the concrete, but i can dream. it'd be so much more handsome without it.

well, full speed ahead anyway!

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Any idea on who the architect is?

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So let me get this straight. They are taking a massive underutilized historic industrial building and renovating it in phases as demand requires? ... And to generate the demand they are actually upgrading the building systems and appearance? What a great idea. Good thing the former owners were farsighted enough to actually keep a working roof on the building.

I wonder if there are any other massive buildings in Buffalo that could benefit from this kind of thinking and action.

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I agree that purchasing a few diesel locomotives might be proactive for the NFTA. Case in point, the current CSX line that Amtrak's passenger trains use are in such proximity to the Buffalo Airport, the Larkin Complex but also to is a line that stretches all the way to Toronto, ONT.
What I would do if I was on the Board of Directors at the NFTA is to look into a partnership with GO Transit and VIA Rail in Ontario. The potential ridership is astronomical, especially for Canadian shoppers from the GTA.
This is not rocket science NFTA.
I have never understood how in the early 20th Century the IRC managed a world class transit system with street cars, high speed trains, etc.
It's great to see the reuse of the old Larkin District, now what is needed is improvements to the residential area and perhaps the parking lot across from 701 Seneca where the great Larkin Building stood, we could build a Buffalo Wright Architectural Museum, as well as look into the construction of the Wright Designed row houses designed for Larkin.

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Great!!! Stucco isn't my thing, but it does look good!

Everyone is out of their mind with this light rail stuff. Buses are the new thing, read any new metro plan it revolves around buses.

Light rail looks cool but costs a ton. Reliable frequent bus service is the fix to the problem. It is cost effective and does the same exact thing.

The only problem here is that Buffalo has such a good road system and parking is so cheap there is little to no reason to use public transit other than if you can't afford or drive a car.

Metro Rail will only extend when we see high rise residental on the outter harbor.

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I agree, no need to reinvent the wheel.

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I agree that buses are the cheapest most effective way to move people....but that can't be the goal. The city needs to re-invent itself in a way that differs from other city plans. We need to find somthing that will make us special.

Buses don't incease property values, and its not the worst thing to trade running a public tranportation system for a loss while increasing tax revenue from the private sector value increases it creates.

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Light Rail is a bad investment. There is not enough use to warrant the cost of construction.

Your opinion on buses is not uncommon, but other cities have changed this perception on buses. It just needs to be able to do better or at least equal to a car. Buses can do this a whole lot cheaper than light rail.

and just because a light rail extension isn't in the cards now doesn't mean it won't ever be.

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The reason for new modes of public transit should be for projected growth not current usage. If Buffalo thinks in current population, then there would be no reason to expand metro rail.

Investment in the future is what I'm talking about.

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Chris,

Its not entirely true that buses are cheaper and light rail (or streetcars) are more expensive.

Yes, rail start up costs are higher (although they are generally not borne locally in there entirety). However, while every situation is different, in general, long term costs for rail are lower.

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You should see the buses on the Vegas strip - they are like space shuttles

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How great would a new Amtrak Station be down there? Dosen't the line pass right through? That little shack on Exchange is embarassing.

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Your Right, but lets not make the same mistake of building the main station several miles from Downtown again!

How great would a new Amtrak station look in downtown buffalo where you can walk under cover to metro rail, where you can park your car in a garage that also has a bus station and a hertz car rental kiosk (or zip car) in it.

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I like Hamburg at exchange. The wye there would allow thru trains to operate in any direction without turning or reverse moves.

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Come visit the building this Saturday 11/27 at 7pm.

We are showing a movie about Hydraulic Fracturing at the Buffalo Lab.

After signing in, take the elevator to the 4th floor and follow the signs.

More details are available at this page:
http://www.meetup.com/hackerspaces/calendar/15507653/

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Brilliant idea, only problem I forsee is all the busnesses moving here and leaving a black hole of empty space downtown as no new company's are moving here. Is the Larkin District the new Downtown?

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A company who (FNFG) who just purchased two other institutions in the last couple months, poised to grow and add jobs to all of WNY. Same with M&T, who built a new building in downtown on Delaware to consolidate and grow certain parts of its business since it has bought other banks recently. There is growth you just need to look for it.

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I don't see larkin competing. I would see it competing with the suburban office parks. Downtown is a different type of client.

First Niagara's move is a baby step toward downtown in my opinion. If they want to be a real bank, they will need a real building, their own real building. That is just how banks work... a statement.

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Tom>" only problem I forsee is all the busnesses moving here and leaving a black hole of empty space downtown as no new company's are moving here."

Actually the anchor tenant in the LCo building across the street relocated from Niagara County. This kind of activity in the Larkin District can only help development downtown not hurt it.

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Boss-

The costs are higher because the the Route is 2 Damn Short! Hmm, I think a political party is in my future!

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Seriously though, a hybrid bus can cost around half a mill, light rail vehicle can start at 1.5. However, the serviceable lives are greatly different. Depending on usage, a bus can last 5-15 years. A rail vehicle can last 30, 40, 50 or more years.

Additionally, because this extension is relatively short there may not be any need to purchase additional rail equipment.

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Also factor in the fuel costs. When gas prices went insane a few years ago, the NFTA picked up 25% more people, but it's fuel costs for its bus fleet also soared. The NFTA buys its fuel in bulk a year ahead, so high prices can really hit them hard for multiple years even if the price lowers in the interim. Light Rail uses electricity, which is a cheaper and price stable source of locomotion.

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Boss-

The costs are higher because the the Route is 2 Damn Short! Hmm, I think a political party is in my future!

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Seriously though, a hybrid bus can cost around half a mill, light rail vehicle can start at 1.5. However, the serviceable lives are greatly different. Depending on usage, a bus can last 5-15 years. A rail vehicle can last 30, 40, 50 or more years.

Additionally, because this extension is relatively short there may not be any need to purchase additional rail equipment.

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I'm a member of Buffalo lab, a hackerspace (non-profit electronics workshop and teaching center) in the Larkin Building. If they do follow through with all the improvements, we will be looking for a new space, most likely. But I welcome the changes, it starting to look like a viable downtown for South Buffalo, helping to cement the other recent improvements in the area.

Check Us out; look on our Buffalolab.org webpage:

http://www.buffalolab.org/blog/membership/

and our calendar page on meetup.com:

http://www.meetup.com/hackerspaces/calendar/

or the online Video Tour:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5hUDsTo1VU

Of course you're welcome to tour the Space in person, too!

Just check out an activity or
Call 1.877.701.HACK to set up a private tour.


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Interesting discussion on rail possibilities. It would be great to see rapid transit service there eventually.

A much cheaper (and quicker) first step would be for us to throw a Buffalo CarShare hub down there. We'd first need to get some buy-in from the employers there as part of a green transportation strategy...

If we can encourage professionals to carpool or take transit to work, and rely on CarShare, NFTA, and (someday) bike sharing to get them around during the workday, we can start to build the critical mass that would justify transit investment.

Help us do it! Give me a call.

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Why waste the money? No one needs to go from Larkin to Downtown and if they do they'll drive the car they drove to work from the southtowns. This is Buffalo not Portland.

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I think there is a Larkin Taxi service offered right now in funny looking little "vintage" cars.

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This would make a great designers showcase like they have in Boston, NY and Chicago, and sorely needed!

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Is the investment group correctly identified as Seneca Holdings, LLC, or does the author intend to identify Seneca Development & Management?

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Seneca Holdings, LLC is correct. It was personally added to the article by Jim Cornell himself.

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