As for the change of appearance and functioning components, the circle will serve as a splash pad in the spring and summer, a shallow reflecting pool in the fall, and a gigantic circular skating rink in the winter. The work signals a very real commitment to MLK Park - a park that has suffered from a major lack of investment in years past. Take the time and visit Humboldt Basin and walk the surrounding grounds... this park has so much untapped potential. Thankfully the potential is finally being addressed and moneys are being allocated to bringing the original historic qualities back to life.
Restoration of Humboldt Basin
As for the change of appearance and functioning components, the circle will serve as a splash pad in the spring and summer, a shallow reflecting pool in the fall, and a gigantic circular skating rink in the winter. The work signals a very real commitment to MLK Park - a park that has suffered from a major lack of investment in years past. Take the time and visit Humboldt Basin and walk the surrounding grounds... this park has so much untapped potential. Thankfully the potential is finally being addressed and moneys are being allocated to bringing the original historic qualities back to life.
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Leave a commentLove the idea! Can't wait to go skating there in the winter. :)
looks awesome - thanks for the update, would like to see the same done at caz
for mlk park, good idea would also be to increase police patrolling nearby, otherwise the money will soon go to waste
Great news!
I always forget how BIG that splash pad really is.
This is such an amazing and extraordinary park feature. It will be great to have it back again.
Yeah b/c I totally wanna travel 30 MPH on city streets in the morning to get to downtown...Sweet. All it will do is just result in more people taking the 190. Not much will change. Then they will probably have to widen the 190 to 3 lanes where it runs near the river or something so the people coming from Grand Island or where ever out there are happy. Almost guarantee that it would never get built. I bet even a group would rise up on how historic the 33 is or something dumb like that. Work with the areas of the city that are succeeding first. All this sparadic development seems stupid to me. Oh can't wait to see the finished park by the way! :)
LJP Show>" Sweet. All it will do is just result in more people taking the 190. "
Winner winner chicken dinner. For those who insist on traveling through the city without violating their birthright to drive fast and unimpeded, the 190 will be able to accommodate them in the 33-198s stead. Thankfully it may be impossible to widen this road at least between Vulcan and Smith st.
Others can move east-west on one of the numerous woefully underused roads like William, Broadway, Clinton, etc.
Paris - a city 12 times Buffalo's size - manages to exist and thrive with no highways entering its core. Buffalo on the other hand has FOUR. Seems kind of outrageous when you look at it logically.
I agree with LJPShow and sho'nuff, and I think most others in Buffalo agree also that it's good to have the 33 as a highway.
It provides an efficient convenient way for city residents to drive to/from the airport, the Galleria, the Thruway, and other points east, and to go between downtown and the norteast part of the city.
Although I've read calls to remove it on blogs, I've never in real life heard even one person say they wish it wasn't there. There'd be huge opposition from many city residents and city businesses if there's ever a serious effort to remove or downgrade it.
Whatever> "There'd be huge opposition from many city residents and city businesses if there's ever a serious effort to remove or downgrade it."
Thats strange. The downgrade of 198 from 50 to 30 mph is proceeding without a tear shed from any residents or businesses. I would think a similar downgrade on the 33 would face similar "opposition."
Everybody knows the differences between the 33 and the curvy 198.
Why haven't there been any plans (other than in blog comments) to downgrade the 33?
There have been. The DOT is currently considering whether to rebuild the 33 as is, or install a cap over it (making it a tunnel) that can support a grass lawn.
Other groups in Buffalo are pushing for the DOT to consider the much less expensive but overall best option (IMO), which is to fill in the trench and convert it back to a tree-lined at-grade parkway. The mayor sent a letter to the DOT urging them to include this option in their study.
So, no, it's not just blog comments at all.
Back to the main topic... does anyone have more information on the new splash pad? Will it cover the entire surface now? (instead of the small inner area) Will it have features that make it an entertaining fountain as well? I'm thinking of the splash pad in Toronto at Dundas that is fun to just watch as much as to play in. A 5-acre splash pad like that could really be an attraction that will bring people to the park.
Its good to think rationally about a multi-million dollar modification to infrastructure. If the 33 would stay in its current condition forever with minimal maintenance, I would have a hard time supporting the cost of removing this road even though I personally would rather have a parkway over what exists now.
The reality though is the 33 is nearing the end of its lifespan. Like the 190 and Rt 5 before it, the road is going to require a major reconstruction that will likely cost somewhere north of 100mill. When that day comes, the public ought to weigh the option of downgrading the road versus rebuilding it.
If there is a significant cost savings in a downgrade, it would be foolish to throw scarce taxpayer money towards maintaining the luxury of a quick commute for a select number of people.
Let's take this one step further... return the 33 to above ground streets and the humbolt parkway. Just close the entire 33 span down from Eggert Road to Oak Street. Remove the 198 Scajacuda Expressway and return the street grid. Downgrade the skyway and put in a single-span surface level draw-bridge. We should close down the Thruway from the Peace Bridge to Ogden Street and return the surface level streets.
After we return the street map to 1940, we build a huge wall around the city to keep all the suburbanites out. If people want to work downtown, they have to live in the city. People in the suburbs can keep the suburbs. The only easy way in to the city is mass transit or bike path, these will provide direct access from park and ride lots to the business district, the consolidated ECC campus, Buffalo State, the downtown retail district (isolated from the suburb strip malls) and the new downtown UB campus. Isolate the suburbs and people will either decide to live in the city or businesses will move to the suburbs. The suburbs can't offer high-rise development, they can't offer the waterfront, and they can't compete with the existing infrastructure in the city. After people move back, we can take down the walls, expand mass transit, and build sensible highways. We need to take a few steps back to move forward.
I can't quite tell if you're being completely sarcastic or not. But I'll point out that many European cities are doing just fine without expressways carving up their city centers and plowing through neighborhoods. The fact that these cities are built for the benefit of people, not just for cars, is one of the things that makes them so attractive.
Exactly - hyperbolic exaggerations don't add to the discussion on how we reduce the ridiculous sprawl that has overrun our country.
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Speaking of Humbolt, how nice if plans to fill in and green the Kensington Expressway also come to fruition. What a beautiful and integrated neighborhood would result! See or get the bumper sticker: “TAME THE TRENCH-BURY THE KENSINGTON,” (in “Olmstead Green” and “Clean-fill Brown”) http://www.makestickers.com/addtocart.aspx?SKU=90&DesignNumber=100324085904&cid=she1hz45dncxwnamcmn3n155 (This is an independent site, & I get no money from them.)
Would be awesome to re-connect Humboldt Park to Delaware Park again. It may help bring business back to the long gone commercial streets like Genesee, Jefferson, Broadway, William, ect. ...Just a dream.
KeepItSimple is right, they should fill in the trench for an underused roadway. Expressways are for when the other roads are congested. There is no congestion on those roads anymore. The residences on Humboldt Parkway deserve something better than the view, sounds, and smell of a highway a few yards from their porch.
I'm also really excited for the skating there.
Take away the expressway and you will see congestion return to the city streets.
My understanding is that hasn't been the experience in several other cities that have removed expressways. In any event, the city grid is better at dispersing traffic without congestion than dedicated expressways.
It is my understanding that areas that have removed expressways either a) have a decent mass transit system to eliminate the need for car traffic, b) have removed incomplete highways (1.4 mile Park East Freeway in Milwaukee), c) removed severely underutilized freeways (I-290 spur to RFK stadium in Washington DC), or d) did so as a result of a massive disaster that provided the opportunity and luxury to rethink the layout of the city.
I don't believe that the 33 falls into these categories. I would like to see a study on how well Kensington Ave and Genesee Street would handle the 70,000 cars per day that currently travel on the expressway. I would hate to see Buffalo lose one of the true differentiators it has over other cities, the ability to drive on relatively uncongested streets and highways, which allows workers to get home to their families sooner and in a much less stressful manner than many workers experience in other cities.
http://www.forbes.com/2008/04/24/cities-commute-fuel-forbeslife-cx_mw_0424realestate.html
Well from other research groups in the city last summer, I recall 50,000 cars travel on the 33 daily. That was the same number in the 1950s travelling on Genesee, Broadway, and Sycamore.
The congestion called for it because they projected an increase in population.
In actuality, due to the vacant housing situation in the city of Buffalo, there are less people travelling on those three major roads. Throwing the cars back onto Genesee, Broadway, and Sycamore would probably do more good than bad, and with less congestion.
It's smart urban planning like re-creating Humboldt parkway that would make a metro line or Bus Rapid Transit from the airport to downtown feasible.
some of which sorely need it.