City October 3, 2010 4:25 PM

Ideas from Buffalo Teachers

Ideas from Buffalo Teachers
Submission by Paul Wolf:

In an effort to obtain $42 million from the state to improve Buffalo's seven lowest performing schools, teachers were asked what they wanted to help improve their schools. In many organizations ideas from front line employees are never sought. I assume that people become teachers because they want to make a difference in the lives of children. We hear a lot of talk from administrators, politicians and policy experts as to what needs to be done to improve school performance but rarely do we get to hear directly from teachers themselves.

I found the 30 page document (PDF) of teacher requests to contain some interesting thoughts. A few items that I liked are below, with some comments from me in bold type:

Supplies - Flash drives, calculators, smart boards, computers, DVDs, projectors, enough text books for each student to have their own book, review books for each student to take home, new library books, binders, notebooks, science equipment, carts for traveling teachers. It is amazing that students don't have their own text books or review books to take home.

Immigrants - A GED program that includes English as a second language to help older incoming immigrant students to become successful, language dictionaries for all students available in their native language, grant money/partnerships to help more teachers get certified as English as a second language teachers, bilingual teachers/aides, invest in computer programs that will translate information to parents in all languages, have a satellite office from Journey's End and the International Institute to help communicate with parents. A lot of suggestions involved assisting immigrant students & parents. Entrepreneurial immigrants can be a plus for the City of Buffalo but more needs to be done as far as providing immigrants the educational tools they need.

Positions - Reading coaches, attendance teachers, social workers and more ties to community agencies,staff to assist students with college application process, coaches/mentors for teachers to develop better skills/knowledge. The interest and need for training and development of teachers was mentioned often.

Programs - Student leadership, anger management, conflict resolution, life skills, team building for faculty & students, more interesting & fun electives, software programs that teach keyboarding to students as students often have poor computer typing skills, field trips to businesses, cultural events, colleges, character education, programs to increase parental involvement, programs to encourage attendance, allow parent access to school libraries, bullying programs, more common planning time to focus on curriculum & best practices, training for teachers on gathering and understanding student data. Buffalo students who live primarily in poverty come to school with a host of issues that impact their school performance, teachers are seeking more resources and help to allow them the ability to focus on teaching.

There were many good ideas mentioned by teachers, hopefully their ideas will be heard and followed up on. What do you think about the ideas mentioned?
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We hear from teachers each time their contracts come up...

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There is absolutely nothing in this story that should incite negativity towards teachers. This seems like a legitimate and heartfelt attempt by teachers to address some much needed issues in the schools. There is nothing to do with their contracts, their salaries, or their union.

The comments on anything teacher related has become so predictable and absurd. This idea that they are somehow overpaid and/or bad employees can only come from people who have never set foot in a Buffalo Public School or have something personal against a particular teacher.

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Agree, teachers are the whipping boy for those that are unwilling to accept the overwhelming evidence of school performance being driven by the demographic of the district.

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I love your opinion. It doesn't matter how much you pay teachers, or how well or poorly the teacher does, because the kids are a lost cause due to their poverty. The poor students just cannot perform as well as other kids, no matter how well we teach them. The only thing that will work is to give them money so they won't be poor anymore, then they will be tamable and teachable. Is that correct?

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No, give people opportunity, not money. Reward work, here in WNY over half of all workers make less than 30K, they are part of the bottom 40% of Americans that share just 1% of our nations wealth.

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We give opportunity to attend school, to attend GED classes, free literacy classes, free vocational training, free or discounted college classes, all things that are proven to reverse the trends of poverty; yet a large number of the poor leave them on the table in favor of something easier. We shouldn't have to spoon feed and constantly pity someone who have the ability to help themselves. The majority of the poor that I have worked with do have the ability, they lack the drive and motivation to do it.

I recently started counseling at-risk students at Bennett. I was shocked by the apathy and probably more shocked by the willingness to be dependent on the system instead of taking care of themselves. We have raised many of these children to think that it is the government's responsibility, no duty, to pay them just because they are here. I ask them about work, and most of them say "I'll work here or there for cash", so as not to mess with their benefits.

What type of opportunity would reverse that mentality? What type of living wage would attract someone to work for Walmart or McDonald's if they truly believe that the job is beneath them?

This is the culture and values issue that I addressed before. I don't understand the drivers of this mentality. I try, but it actually runs counter to what I was raised to believe. It runs counter to my work ethic and my beliefs, but I need to put that aside in an attempt to get to the root of why they are failing and dropping out of school.

I fear that giving more money for menial opportunities won't work. The days of getting a factory job that will propel you to the middle class just through menial labor on an assembly line or in front of a furnace are over. Our economy today is based on knowledge, service, and education. We offer these opportunities in many, many, many forms today. I don't see how throwing more money for menial jobs is going to help, and I don't see where we are going to be able to revisit the opportunities of the 50s and 60s again, so where does that leave us?

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Our economy will always require a large number of unskilled and semi-skilled workers. Paying those that are willing to do the less desirable jobs a decent wage is not only the right thing to do but also greatly reduces the need for government assistance of all kinds. We pay one way or another, I would rather see work rewarded and Americans workers treated with dignity.

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I don't necessarily agree. Let's look at this example.

The Living Wage Calculator for Erie County: http://www.livingwage.geog.psu.edu/counties/36029 tells us that the hourly rate that an individual must earn to support their family, if they are the sole provider and are working full-time is $29.35 for a family of four. This translates to $58,402.50 net per year, or roughly $45,490.33 take home.

The average teacher, with a master's degree will receive a starting salary around $35,000 per year (per Godismakebelieve's post). It will take that teacher roughly 10 years of working to reach the amount of pay that the living wage worker. Do you think that the teaching profession will just accept this disparity, or will they demand that, due to their education and responsibility, that they should start at a wage higher than the hourly worker above? So let's say we start the teachers at the living wage of $58,402.50, this is roughly a 66% higher starting salary than what they have today. What do you think the administration staff will demand? Will it be the 132% increase that the living wage offers to workers currently receiving the minimum wage, or the 66% increase offered to teachers? What happens to salaries of the rest of the middle class?

Will the living wage truly propel the working poor from the depths of our class system, or will it just create an inflation in salaries and consumer prices that will put us completely out of reach of salaries and wages for the rest of the first world?

I guess in some ways this might be a good thing because the taxes received on the upper, middle, and working classes would increase, if rates weren't adjusted for the inflation in salaries.

But you are right, all the poor need is more money and they won't be poor anymore. /sarcasm

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What could possibly be the basis for the argument that teachers are overpaid? Starting salary for most teachers is about $35,000. Is this considered a lot? Looks like a pretty typical entry-level salary at most bullsh*t jobs in most industries. Why would anybody consider that overpaid? Sure, they get modest raises every year, but it's like a few thousand bucks maximum, and that's if the salaries haven't been frozen. Again, similar to most mainstream corporate jobs. I don't know many professionals who would consider themselves overpaid if after 20 -30 years on the job they were only making $75k. Anybody?

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I don't believe you would find many people who would admit to being over paid regardless of their profession. However, if you consider working professionals in the private sector, their health care and retirement isn't public funded. This is where the true disparity lies between teaching professionals and their private sector counterparts, not to mention job security. In fact if teaching professionals were contributing to their own health insurance and retirement like private sector employees, I doubt we would even be having a discussion about teachers’ salaries.

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Interesting information on teacher pay:

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=1955153

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Well I think teachers in urban areas are underpaid.

Suburban teachers are like naval vets who never saw combat, while urban teachers are like Marines on the front lines.

They have to deal with more diversity in the classroom than suburban schools. This makes things more challenging to make a curriculum where students can feel a personal connection to what they're learning.

If urban areas could pay more than suburban areas, it would attract better teachers back into urban areas. From NYC to here, a lot of teachers in cities are tired and stressed because of urban factors.

They are severely underpaid for the amount of work they have to do on top of the diversity in the classroom, the poor socioeconomic conditions, and the bureaucracy. It's like they're fighting with one hand tied behind their back.

Urban schools need to be centers of the best education. Centrally located high performance. This goes for all cities.

replied to sho'nuff
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I see your point, the black city kids aren't as teachable as white kids from the burbs so we should pay city teachers more because it is a lost cause.

replied to Greg
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great link. John Stossel is the true voice of reason. Any links on what Rush limbaugh or Al Sharpton have to say about teachers?

replied to sho'nuff
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btw, the premise of Stooge's article is that teachers make more than the average American worker... which includes greeters at Walmart, Mini Mart clerks, KFC fry cooks, etc... how about comparing their average salaries with college grads with master's degrees.

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Considering mediam income and not starting salary teachers in NY State are all overpaid. The big question is why isn't the school year a full year? 3 months off, so we can fall futher beyond the Asians in education. The East side will love it b/c now mom has f/t daycare to squeeze out some more welfare babies.

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nice racist & generally ignorant comment. let me guess, you went to Buff Tech for one semester, dropped out, now you're a line cook somewhere on Elmwood making $8.00 an hour.

A couple things, summer vacation is two months, not three. Where did you read (sorry) what TV show or radio station did you hear that America is behind Asia in education? It may be true but can you articulate the exact reasons behind that? So if we had 365 days of school American children would all be physicists? Not quite.

The bottom line, if it's such an easy over paid job ask your mommy to co-sign your student loan again and get certified to teach.

replied to Toolbox
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I would but both my parents are teachers so I don't qualified for any student aid.

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"I don't qualified for any student aid." I'm guessing your parents weren't English teachers.

On second thought, you may want to stick with that line cook job.

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I once asked a teacher at the Buffalo Performing Arts Academy what could be done to improve that school.

He said: "drop a bomb on it."

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That "teacher" should not be working in education, with that attitude.

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I wish there was an easy answer. I always thought it a good idea to require a school uniform. This eliminates many distractions for the kids who may be bullied or feel they dont fit in. I know that this idea has been implemented in some NYC schools with much success.
I think the reality is that more needs to be done outside of school. IE: more community programs, more options for low cost athletics programs, arts programs etc. Give the kids something to do other than dream of becoming Lil Wayne. I blame much of the distraction on the boundless impression that pop culture has on the youth. Times are changing and if you still believe that the way a child learns is by sitting in front of a text book you are mistaken. Schools need to embrace technology and it is my belief that all classrooms should have a computer for every student.
Years ago my mother worked on a program with Sony that taught children via interactive games. This was way ahead of its time and is only now being realized.

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I have a family member who is a Buffalo high school teacher ad the article above is fair and accurate from what I hear.

They often tell me they wish they could teach more and spend less time on discipline and the basics that high school students should already know, let alone getting them to pass a Regents exam.

I am talking Buffalo high school students can barely write a sentence, and some who can barely speak/write English. What is a teacher to do with foreign students that don't speak English (and I am not talking Spanish speaking).

What are teachers to do? The whole system is failing and it starts at home. There is a serious lack of parental involvement overall.

Lack of supplies (including spending their own money on notebooks, pens, etc).

The district is also highly unorganized, changing assignments, lessons plans, principals, etc. since school has started.

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Many of these comments are part of our culture of bad attitudes about learning, education, and educators that teachers face in trying to overcome the too often disrepectful attitudes that taint city district students.

Should we blame our police and say they are overpaid because their job is to try to turn things around in our cities and yet crime happens?

Don't hear much talk about the excessive pro athelete salaries here in town- they must be beyond reproach in their mission of good- and especially their outstanding accomplishments!

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whoops, i accidentally voted thumbs up on a post i disagreed with. so now i'll chime in for a minute.

when you want to b-tch about how much a teacher or garbage collector makes, ask yourself this: how much would -you- want to be paid to do that job day in and day out? would you consent to collect garbage for minimum wage, or whatever you think -those people- deserve? what wage would persuade you to take responsibility for a classroom in a struggling, low-income neighborhood?

or did we abolish the golden rule in favor of 'i deserve my paycheck but you don't?'

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Teacher's Unions have killed education...Teachers only look out for themselves... Watch "Waiting for Superman" for proof... It is so sad that they want what's good for them and not for the children...sick

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