City October 27, 2010 1:13 PM

CNBC ranks Buffalo in 'Best cities to relocate to in America'

CNBC ranks Buffalo in ‘Best cities to relocate to in America’
CNBC has ranked Buffalo/Niagara-Falls as one of the 'best cities to relocate to in America' (see here). The buzz throughout the city's social media community is skyrocketing, as the news begins to spread. The news site links to Sperling's Best Places, as reference for the designation. It's another great boost for Buffalo, especially when you see the short blurb next to the image - a blurb that mentions all of the positives in a number of topics ranging from arts to cost of living. Check it out:

Buffalo is an older, industrial city that has "gone through a sort of gut-wrenching transition into the 21st Century," Sperling says. And now that it's gotten over the bumps, it's a great place to live.

The Buffalo-Niagara Falls area has a growing arts scene and it's affordable: The cost of living is 14.4 percent below the national average, and the average home price is $119,700, well below the national average of $171,700.

There are more than 20 parks in Buffalo, earning it the nickname, "City of Trees," and for all you sports fans, it's home of the Buffalo Bills football team and Buffalo Sabres hockey team.

The unemployment rate in the region is 8.3 percent, below the national average. Health care and education are the fastest growing industries here.

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I would have been impressed by this, if not for the fact that we came in #2 to Pittsburgh. Any list of liveable places that would rank a hole like that at the top has obviously used some questionable means to determine their ranking.

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Pittsburgh is a pretty interesting city. What is it you don't like about that city?

Interesting, yes. Has potential, yes. But the two years I lived there was like being in downtown Hicksville, Appalachia. Except for the college kids, nobody seemed to have any sense that the rest of the world existed. Even in the older folks, the prevalent attitude was that just because the grass and sky are no longer brown, they've turned into Paris or something. Traffic and transit were awful. Less snow, but colder and more ice (on steep hills, no less). Mine fires and sinkholes randomly pop up everywhere. Three potentially great rivers that you can look at from afar, but never get to, use or enjoy. Questionable food at best (ketchup on salads?). The hills are nice to look at, but every flat piece of land has a strip mall on it, so travel is difficult and sprawl is out of control. I enjoyed the first couple weeks, saw the museums, etc. But actually living there was just depressing...

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Hmm, lot of irony there considering a lot of the junk you just spewed is the same junk that some ignorant downstaters say about buffalo. Also, a lot of blatant falsehoods - temperature is something that's easily calculated, so I'm not sure why you'd try and lie about that. The people are both uneducated backwater AND think they live in Paris? Yeah, right. I'd agree their streets are a pain to navigate because it's so easy to get lost, but that's not because the city is full of strip malls and ice.

I grew up in the backwoods, pittsburgh is full of hicks, sorry, its true. Never thought id see a city that had more backwards fools than that place. Its not blind hatred, just the truth

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You don't think it's ironic that buffalonians are knocking a city by hating on the weather, the education level of the population, and sprawl...come on!

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I thought it was interesting that the pitts actually does get alot more ice than western ny, never would have thought so. Combine that ice with mountain roads and basically no plowing and you have great conditions for winter driving, haha

I moved to Pittsburgh back in '03 and have to say that the guy ripping on it is way off base. It's hard at first to move to a new city but the people here were and are friendly. That and the fact that the city has so much to offer made it easier to adjust (I particularly love kayaking on the rivers and hiking in the many parks within city limits). I have to admit my surprise at how beautiful and vibrant the city is. Another poster talked of how proud the people of Pittsburgh are of their city and that's absolutely correct. It would be nice if more of us felt that kind of passion as well. Even though I've grown to love Pittsburgh and actually enjoy living here, I'll always be a Buffalonian at heart. This is great for Buffalo and great advertising.

Its a pretty crappy place to live. Interesting? Maybe, but buffalo is nicer, and im not saying that bc im from buffalo, bc i am not, im originally from closer to erie, pa and have lived or worked in both buffalo and shittsburgh. I dont see a single redeaming quality in that place.

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Pittsburgh is a phenomenal city.

Really? I hope you are kidding! I lived there for 2 years and honestly the city sucks. I had a good job and lived on mt washington, easily one of the worst places i have lived. Transportation is awful, there is basically no neighborhood commercial within the city, no way can you live in the majority of areas within the city boundaries and walk or even ride a bike to a store, not even a mini mart or corner store. The city looks nice, at least the well traveled areas, but its not. Its actually quite dirty. The air is filthy, our walls would be covered in gray dust on a DAILY basis. The streets are terrible, people park on the sidewalks so if you do decide to go for a walk, you must do so on the very small mountain roads. The people are not friendly and there is no more to do there than anywhere else. I listened to these types of rankings when choosing to relocate there and must say that they are worthless. Pittsburgh is a dirty hole.

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"Really? I hope you are kidding! I lived there for 2 years and honestly the city sucks....there is basically no neighborhood commercial within the city, no way can you live in the majority of areas within the city boundaries and walk or even ride a bike to a store...."

You lived in Pittsburgh two years and you never visited Shadyside, Squirrel Hill, Central Oakland or the South Side? All of these areas (and many more) have walkable and bike-friendly commercial strips with many viable and safe residential areas surrounding. The city also ranks as one of the safest of its size in the US.

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Yeah, i visited them, not impressed. I looked at houses in those areas and again, not impressed. As for crime, i lived in a nice area and it isnt all that safe of a city. Murders, robberies, etc, every day, in the nice areas. Ive lived in othrr cities, never had similar concerns.

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Btw, you mention 4 areas that have SOME NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. Those 4 places make up a very small part of the city. Try getting to those commercial areas from another part of town. Its a nightmare, especially considering that other than southside, they really dont offer that much. Four neighborhoods dont make up a whole city.

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I can't say that I lived there, but my sister lived in Squirrel Hill for several years, so I had the chance to visit often. I loved it. Her neighborhood certainly had quite a bit of urban commercial development, nice streetscapes. Frick Park was a few block walk away. Phipps is an amazing conservatory. The topography adds immensely to the character of the city. We ate at restaurants that overlooked downtown. I also really liked the Oakland neighborhood. Pittsburgh also has a tremendous housing stock from the steel money days, really preserved because so much is brick construction. If I was looking to relocate, its certainly a city that I would consider.

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Thats what i thought prior to moving there. Like you now, i was dead wrong.

replied to townline
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You are 100% correct my friend. I had the misfortune of attending college there for 4 years. Very backwards, very icy, verry cloudy. According to the weater service Pittsburgh has the cloudiest summers east of the Mississippi. In fact Buffalo's summers average 30% more sunshine than Pittsburgh's

The Rent ain't too damn high in Buffalo!

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The property taxes are.

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Not really, any city that has low proprty values has to make it up with a higher tax PERCENTAGE. The actual amount owed on a mortgage combined with taxes isnt too bad imo

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Even more evidence that the economic crisis has leveled the playing field.

What are our public leaders doing now that we have a competitive advantage?

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Public leaders? What's that?

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"City of Trees"? That's from over 60 years ago. At least 80% of those trees are long gone. Buffalo is one of the least forested US cities.

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A bit surprising, but it really depends on the metrics used to evaluate a region's "livability". I've decided to stay and set up shop for several reasons, but foremost is the quality of life Buffalo offers without the cost or hassle associated with other cities. Plus, I've come to really appreciate the humble, but quirky character of the area.

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I relocated to the area from Utica a few years back and I love it here. I travel regularly for work through upstate NY and New England and in my opinion its one of the nicest places to live in the North East. The people here have a much nicer demeanor then most New Englanders, and its less congested.

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Moving from Utica, this must seem like a world class city.

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Which is better:

The Mohawk Valley

or

the Hudson Valley?

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Imagine what Buffalo would be like with real, solid political leadership? There would be no stopping it...

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The commentary reads "The Buffalo-Niagara Falls area has a growing arts scene and it’s affordable..."

I think the arts have grown along with with city and probably one step ahead.

Theaters continue to be the most stabilizing element in the 600 block of Main Street. Nightly audiences and brightly lit, open buildings keep the area safe for all visitors. Without an active theater district, the Chippewa Strip would not have developed as it did.

Look at the current rebirth of the Amherst-Grant area. It is an attractive area to live because of music venues and galleries there.

Artists of all sorts thrive in areas where rents are low. The fill in those spaces making it more attractive for all.

The business of art is good for all. Arists are good citizens. The average artist returns most of his/her income to local businesses more than the average industrialist or professional athlete.

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Buffalo puts down a list when it is not positive news and adores the list when it is what they want to hear. I really don't think people will be uprooting and moving here any time soon do to the "latest" list.

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You would be surprised. When you have a couple job offers in different cities and you are trying to choose, the lists are one of the things you look at, especially if you dont know anything about the cities or anyome who lives there or has in the past. Not that that means they are right, but its definitely one of the thongs that goes into the equation.

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Well there you go then, the key is job offers, not likely to happen here. SHOULD an offer happen not many adults stive to earn $35,00 a year. Also, Pittsburgh is not as bad as a few make out. Not much different from here, just bigger and better buildings.

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Haha, yeah right! Ive lived or worked in both areas. Btw, i have had plenty of luck with jobs in the buffalo area, if people cant find a job in buffalo, i tend to blame the person, not the city. As for better buildings, other than a fewin the downtown area, i disagree.

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I think they meant it one of the best cities to relocate "from", not "to".

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Once again I find myself groveling with the malcontents. Have you nothing better to do than use words to bitch-slap each other over two industrial cities that are actually very similar, save the topography? The benefits and the rewards of living in Buffalo can no longer be ignored and, apparently, are not. The way Buffalo is turning around has been a joy to see since I moved here in 1992. It's visually beautiful, actually. The skyline, having escaped mercifully, from the 1980's glass and steel modernism, is a sight to behold at night driving North on the I-190. Equally important as the impression this vista gives is what's going on inside the city. Health care, education and banking becoming driving forces to continued recovery. This is all further enhanced by the influence of cosmopolitan Toronto to the north. Great things are happening. Enjoy it.

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Doc...you are smug...that's what Buffalo needs more of.

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Pittsburgh is beautifully situated city but getting around could be quite difficult with the topography. It has a great downtown and the Carson street area is cool and has a very compact but walkable downtown; it feels isolated and suppose what makes the people so insular.The musuems are excellent and the city has a real unique feel; whereas Buffalo is easily travelled, kinda of quirky and has unbelievable potential. Every visit to the city I notice a continued gentrification with neighbourhoods clawing back and a real feeling of rebirth of an urban spirit. Buffalo has the advantage of feeling less generic than many other similiar cities and ,therefore; has a greater appeal than visiting Disneyfied urban core such as Niagra on the lake and others.

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I agree, buffalo is on the upswing!

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I love Buffalo don't get me wrong, but when people from Buffalo call people from Pittsburgh 'hicks' is kind of hypocritical. Its like the dwarf making fun of a group of midgets for being short.

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Dude, i grew up in a town of 2000 people in the middle of nowhere, i know a hick when i smell one, and boy did pittsburgh stink. I honestly dont think of hicks at all when thinking of buffalo.

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Good news for Buffalo!!!! I moved here from Long Island not quite 6 years ago for a job offer (a job I thankfully still have) and love it. I had only planned on staying for a couple of years but now I am married (to a local girl) and am a homeowner in N. Buffalo and have no plans on ever leaving.

GO BUFFALO!!!!

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Pittsburgh is cool.

And so is Buffalo.

And we're close-by!

Go RustBelt!

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Buffalo a place you can buy a house for the same price as a big screan TV. Kidding, sort of. I love Buffalo you can walk or bike for most anything you need little traffic problems just in the burbs has the traffic problems. I would rather pay higher taxes than have a 250k mortgage on a 2 bedroom ranch house like you see in other citys. I've lived other places they don't compare. There is always something to do here. If you get bored in Buffalo maybe its not the city thats boring.

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I also like Pittsburgh but, wouldn't want to live there

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Even if Buffalo was considered the best place in the world by the most respected magazines, experts and travel guides, ya'll would still bitch about it. Have a little pride for pete's sake.

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Pride? - Pride comes before a fall... not after one.

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We lost half of our population... is that a fall yet?
and Buffalo is still one of the only cities people still brag about that they're from. Basically half the population of the Carolinas has ties to Buffalo

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We didn't "lose" half the population. They're mostly still here; they just moved 10 miles to the north, east, and south (maybe a few of them moved west to Fort Erie, I guess).

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I am happy to see Buffalo being Re Branded as well as being touted as one of the best places to relocate to. However I think that the list itself and supporting statistics are only telling half the story. While the stat cited on unemployment suggests a rate of 8.3% vs 10.2% nationally may make it sound as though there are jobs here in Buffalo that assumption is false. If you consider the -4.21% rate of population growth the picture becomes more clear. IE: we have low unemployment rate due to the brain drain effect and loss of population. Those who can/could not find work here have left and continue to leave by all recent reports.

I would agree that there is a growth in the Health Care industry here but little else. Education and arts funding are also diminishing leaving question as to where the list drew its conclusions from.

Low cost of living and home prices are great draws. The Buffalo Bills not so much..


At any rate I find this list more sensational than factual.

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This is not a scientific study. I'm not sure they extensively explored the county budget.

This is basically an advertisement for the publication. Every publication in all of these cities will link to it just as this one did. I'm sure we'll see this on the buffalo news blog and business first.

It is positive! We have good things in WNY! Lets play to these advantages (even if some of them are not entirely true)!!

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Good point. Brilliant advertising strategy.

I wonder how or if Buffalo could develop such a strategy to highlight some of the other positive things Buffalo has to offer in a way that would draw national attention.

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To sum it up; up here in Toronto we used to say barfullo and now we reserve that for Hamilton and rather hear great things about Buffalo now especially architecture, neighborhoods and restaurants, a far cry from the perception of years lore . Be proud!

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I'm happy I relocated back to Buffalo a year ago from NYC. It has alot to offer just like in the big city. Many local's don't know how good they have it here, or what we have. Go out more, pick up a flyer, brochure, artvoice, check out BUFFALO RISING and see what we have to offer here and enjoy it!

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Pittsburgh and Buffalo are both great places.

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Thank you. I'm not sure why the conversation turned into a Pittsburgh hate fest. Both cities have a lot to offer.

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Sorry if I turned this into a Pittsburgh hate fest. I've lived in several cities, and it was always at the bottom of my list, so I was just giving my honest experiences. Every place has good and bad qualities. But the one thing that Pittsburgh DOES beat Buffalo in is PRIDE and optimism. Folks there think the world revolves around their city (a few superbowl titles and Stanley cups no doubt help!) The fact that they cleaned up their steel mills is an enormous point of pride (deservedly), although it has led to a somewhat stagnant vision of what still needs to be improved. Most people from Pittsburgh are not at all ashamed to beam with pride that they grew up there, and will immediately start telling you why they love their city.

Whenever I meet fellow Buffalonians away from home, I get the sense that they are almost embarrassed to admit it. There is often an admission that they do miss Buffalo, but wouldn't want to go back unless whatever drove them away had changed.

I think that Buffalo's sense of it's own faults is good, in that it keeps us realistic on what needs to be improved... but the self-loathing isn't good for public relations. Both cities have a sense of 'home' and 'place' that is quickly becoming rare in most other transient 21st century American cities.

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I’m not sure why people complain the property taxes are high here? I know they are rather high in Amherst, West Seneca, Clarence, etc but I assume most people who post here do not live in those areas. My taxes are around $1700 a year all together and that is the reassessed rate. Even if they are high the low home cost more than makes up for it. I don’t mind paying taxes if I get the necessary services with it. I figure my house in any major city would be worth nearly seven figures so if my taxes are a couple hundred bucks higher than other states so be it, my monthly mortgage is a couple thousand less.

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First of, I was born and raised here and have no idea why anyone would want to relocate to this area? What does it really have to offer, yes we have great education, and summer festivals but that’s about it.

Cheap place to live, are you kidding? If you drive down any street in the suburbs or buffalo there are at least 2-3 houses for sale?? Taxes are crazy in this area, you go to places like Raleigh, NC or PA anywhere and you pay 6% for sales tax, not 8.75%. People are selling there houses left and right, because of taxes, and job loss.

Where do you figure we have new jobs? There are far and few companies that hire these days... I personally feel bad for the recent college grads... good luck on the job search...


Sports team... Please... The Sabers, Bandits, and Bisons are the only good thing as teams... The Bills sorry people are a joke, always have been always will be...

Politicians are corrupt!! What does Buffalo have to offer for young professional to stay not much...? Waterfronts and other areas are more developed...where 50 years behind the times...

Heres a thought...lets get rid of the Bills and then we can have our FAMOUS BASS PRO!!

My advice doesn’t stay here your whole life... I know I’m not planning on it.


Too many services that are needed for schools, health care..etc are cut in Erie County... The middle class and poor people suffer and its not fair!!


There is no job growth, with outsourcing and high taxes… MOVE and DON’T RELOCATE HERE!!

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I am so tired of the high percentage tax rate business.

Assuming you had the same income, would you rather buy a house in Buffalo for $150,000 and pay $4,000 in taxes (2.6% tax rate), or the exact same house in another city that costs $250,000 and also has $4,000 in taxes (1.6% tax rate)?

I would rather pay the 2.6% tax rate.

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Does anyone get the fact that home prices are lower here becouse it is a less desirable town to live in? If Buffalo was an active town with job growth, companys and people both moving here prices would go up according to demand. As to our taxes, a lot of good it does anyway. Cultural cutbacks, library cutbacks, Delaware park looks like crap the list goes on. But hey, we have pretty teachers with great bikini hair lines!

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This is the problem with Buffalo. It's the negativity.

Real estate values are RISING in Buffalo, and the foreclosure rate is one of the lowest in the nation. Any banks go under here?

Instead of celebrating this, and instead of celebrating the fact that a couple making 40K can save money and buy a decent house, and that an artist can live here because rent is cheap, all we here about how horrible it is.

Some people really need to relocate out. It's good for their mental health.

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rubas right. Don t forget there is the least amount of traffic compared to other city's. You money does go alot farther here. I wish Buffalo was better promoted to business to create jobs have incentive to move corporate headquarters in Buffalo. I know people from Jersey that come here would leave in Jersey in heartbeat if they could. Could you imagine if people on the other side of the Hudson realized how much they could save in time not being in traffic to go to work from the distance say from Manhattan to Melville NY!

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Duh, more people equals more traffic.

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What Adult couple strives to make $40,000? Thats a starting salary for most people.

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$40k is more than I make and I manage ok. People need to learn how to make their money work for them and I bet they would not complain about the lack of jobs or high salaries. You can live pretty decently on $35k if you re-evaluate priorities and spend accordingly to that. A $100,000 home is about $800/mnth with taxes and insurance. That's not much higher to own a home vs renting. I keep telling my friends to buy and put that rent into something that will make them money.

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man, this comment string is just craziness!

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I saw that, nice picture of the expressway, but it will do as there is no skyline or waterfront to speak of.

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Buffalo is really no better off or worse off than it has been. It is perpetually the same, like groundhog day all the time.

There have been no siginficant changes to position Buffalo for the future. No new bridge. No new convention center. No new waterfront development. No downtown stadium. Too high taxes, too big government, etc., etc.

Its real estate market is not in crisis simply because the boom of the 90's bypassed Western NY all together. It's simple supply and demand.

Western NY is best thought of for its population loss, especially to the Sunbelt. Many metro areas expanded significantly while Western NY has had no growth.

For example, take a look around Charlotte, NC. You will find more Buffalo Bills theme bars, and "Buffalo Style Pizza" joints that you will think you are in Western NY. Then you will look closer and see nice cars, new malls, multi lane highways without pot holes, new hotels, corporate centers, attractive people, and a light rail commuter train, and you will realize immediately, you are not in Western NY.

Buffalo missed out on the boom and bust that nearly every american city experienced in the past ten years. That is why it is hurting less. It's like bragging that you were never dumped by a girl, because you never had a girlfriend. I am not sure if that is somthing to be proud of.

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100% disagree. Unless I suppose new malls and highways are your barometer for how well a city is doing...

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Odd that you should complain about high taxes and then also complain about the lack of big ticket new infrastructure that would be paid for with taxes

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My point is that these type of rankings are more consequential than a true reflection of actual progress. Realistically, most are drawn to regions where progress is apparent, jobs are abundant, things are new and nice, and it is easier to make a good living, unlike Western NY. Sadly, droves of people will not be migrating to Western NY because of a positive article, or a restored building, or a proposed waterfront development site when really nothing significant has changed about the region.

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No boom and no bust... Buffalo is a good place if you manage to find a job. Its a place where you can be young and make 40k a year with your significant other and buy a house much quicker than your counterpart in many larger American cities.

I find it interesting that there aren't any jobs here, yet First Niagara, M&T, Hsbc have tons of job postings. One wouldn't think twice about coming here and working in Accademia and the same goes for Healthcare?? What are you guys talking about??

Ruby is right, the main problem here is the negativity. Nothing is ever good enough.. its like everyone on this website worked at Bethelehem steel and went shopping at AM&A's on main street when main street was something to see.

Me.Yahoo.. what are you 13?? Do you even know what you're talking about??

3 houses for sale on every block?? Tons of people leave because of the job loss and the taxes?? I would say no more than usual.

What I definately know is that there were 5 houses put up for sale on my block in the last month, 4 have sold (one within a week). Are you that afraid of change? (Nothing to complain about) With every month that passes as of late I feel we as a city have been better of than before.


Taxes are far too high, but its horrible b/c all these services are needed for schools and libraries and blah blah blah I like to complain about everything. But don't ask me to pay for it... right

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The Catholic Health System has over 300 open jobs on their site. Not all great paying, but quite a few that would be 50,000+.

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My previous comment scored a -21. That has to be a record! What's my prize?

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I think battleground threads like this (and any thread containing the word "Paladino") need more light humor/unrelated and useless comments to preserve civility. So here you go:

# Chrysler built B-29's engines that bombed Japan, Mitsubishi built Zeros that tried to shoot them down. Both companies now build cars in a joint plant call Diamond Star.

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Did they rank these cities by available free parking?

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