City October 25, 2010 1:58 PM

BR taken in by a few disgruntled obstructionists

BR taken in by a few disgruntled obstructionists
Submitted by Francis S. Lucca:

I am surprised that Buffalo Rising could be taken in by a few disgruntled obstructionists in their quest to continue to delay the Plaza Expansion of the proposed new peace bridge construction (article in question).  Please allow me to set the record straight.  My name is Francis S. Lucca, owner of our family homestead at 790 Columbus Parkway. It was once occupied by my late parents, Mariano and Clara Lucca.  Mariano was instrumental in legislation proclaiming Columbus Day a federal holiday.  Following his death, the Buffalo Common Council renamed a portion of 7th Street as Columbus Parkway, in his honor. My wife and I lived with my parents as caregivers, and resided at 790 Columbus Pky for an additional ten years.  Four years ago, due to declining health, we put our house up for sale, found a buyer and purchased a smaller home in the Town of Tonawanda.  The  day  the new owner was to sign for our Columbus Pky home ,Homeland Security Secretary Chertoff came to town and stated that the shared border plan with Canada was scrapped and they needed our block for the proposed plaza expansion. As a result  the buyer backed out of the agreement and for the past four years we have been strapped with double taxes, insurance, the star program, combat veteran 's exemption, utilities etc.

The new plaza and construction of the new bridge could have been started years ago at a much lower cost, creating hundreds of jobs, and stimulus money such as 25 million dollars from the Peace Bridge Authority to enhance the entire neighborhood far beyond the bridge proper. Suddenly everything comes to a halt thanks to the concentrated efforts of the OBSTRUCTIONISTS who have not been truthful in their arguments.  The most glaring lie that found print in your publication is that none of the homes affected by the peace bridge plaza plans is in the Prospect Hill historical district.  The border line for that district is Niagara Street, and does not include any of the homes on Columbus Pky or Busti Ave.  These people arbitrarily included  them to satisfy their stand.  A gross misstatement. The three women quoted in your article are not even affected by the proposed plaza/bridge. One of them bought her home during the public outcry over the proposed new plaza/bridge. The second woman who was outraged that we would sell our home to the PBA neglected say that she sold her home three years previous to the same PBA at more than two times the assessed valuation, and bought a much grander home some two blocks away. The third woman mentioned in your article has nothing better to do than look out of her front window and watch progress being made.  That's just what my parents and I did back in 1927 when the Peace Bridge was completed when we lived two blocks away.  However I was too young to remember.

Another blatant lie put forth in print by the OBSTRUCTIONISTS is that my parents and I sought to have our home registered as Historic because of its Columbus association.  Simply, no truth at all. The most blatant demonstration by these same OBSTRUCTIONISTS was the gathering of a bus load of so called preservationists on our front lawn while my wife and I were burying our son in Florida. Needless to say we were outraged. There is no limit to the disgusting tactics these desperate OBSTRUCTIONISTS will take in their final gasp.  But we shall overcome.
                 
Respectfully, Francis S. Lucca
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I'm sorry you can't sell your house...

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Wow. I can't wait to come back and read the comments in a few hours. This is a great perspective that we typically don't get on BRO when it comes to this issue.

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This really doesnt address the arguments against an expanded Peace Bridge plaza. Nor does it really flesh out any position for it, besides the "construction jobs for jobs sake".

Your piece just seems to be acrimonious because others have a differing position. Im not sure this really advances the dialogue, but only will result in further needless animosity.

Though I am truly sorry for your loss, the final paragraph isnt really that pertinent.

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This comment is further evidence that obstructionists will show no regard for the viewpoints of others, dismissing a vaild argument which raises a number of excellent points as irrelevant simply because it does not support their obstructionist agenda which only leads to stagnation and decline.

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Point-

Im not sure what you are suggesting.

There really isnt that much substantive here. There just isnt.

Only one paragraph even addresses the actual debate, and most of that is just condemning three women who apparently greatly irk the author because of their location (On that note: I wonder how anyone would respond if a coal fired plant power plant or waste water treatment plant was going in a few blocks from your house. Would you be as blase? Hell, in the southtowns they worry about who is going to live in old folks homes).

I feel badly about the situation. I do. What a nightmare it must be to be stuck in financial purgatory. Certainly there are parties that are ethically liable for those losses. But does that justify a bridge/plaza should be built? Im pretty sure it doesnt.

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This is one of the best articles I have read on here. It's amazing how the obstructionists will twist and distort facts to support their own viewpoint. It's like the spoiled brat in school who wants and NEEDS to get everything their own way and will make everyone else's life miserable until they do. I applaud the author of this post for providing some real factual information that the obstructionists have swept under the carpet for far to long.

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its actually not a good article if the discussion is whether or not the plaza is a good idea when including a long range viewpoint. you're a victim of confirmation bias.

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Same thing happened to the Ethanol Plant. 3 old women stopped that from happening too. University at Buffalo downtown? I heard that was stopped by Mrs. Butler from the news who did not want her view obstructed outside her office.

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BR has been very successful providing a shared forum for a vocal minority to quickly assemble resulting in the stoppage of a number of development projects in WNY in a very effective manner. BR deserves kudos, although they should rename the site: Buffalo Stopping.

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OBSTRUCTIONISTS! YELLING!! LOUD NOISES!!!

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"Mariano was instrumental in legislation proclaiming Columbus Day a federal holiday."

Well, hot damn.

"OBSTRUCTIONISTS" in all caps, many times, and then ending with "Respectfully" is just too funny.

This person just wants to dump that extra house and get on with it, that's cool. Just imagine what'll happen when we do NOT wipe out that neighborhood - they'll be able to sell it. Probably. :)

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I don't know how the PBA will "enhance the entire neighborhood" by demolishing much of it. A large parking ramp and duty-free store on the land of a neighborhood is an enhancement? A larger truck processing facility is an enhancement?

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The fact remains that NO viable alternative is or was ever presented other than the razing of a Buffalo neighborhood. THIS PLAZA DOES NOT BELONG AT THE PEACE BRIDGE. Plain and simple. If this project is allowed to proceed, it will forever rank with the bad ideas that have ruined this city- The Kensington Expressway, The 198, The 190 separating neighborhoods from the waterfront, UB locating in Amherst.. I could go on and on. This plaza belongs on GRAND ISLAND, which, last I checked, is 65-70% undeveloped land. Whether or not the houses are listed as historic places is irrelevant. I am glad that there are people willing to stand in the way of this project, because it is a HORRIBLE IDEA that will not benefit anyone who lives nearby.

Also, the writer of this letter should be ASHAMED- you take the time to write about your family history in the neighborhood, but seem to put your own financial interests ahead of the interests of your former neighbors. And to try and buy sympathy from the readers by mentioning that the protesters showed up the day you were burying your son is shameless and not relevant. OBVIOUSLY they had no idea that was the case, and it was a cheap shot to your son's memory to include it in your letter. You, Francis Lucca, are no doubt as big a part of the problem as the PBA is, and your former neighborhood (and the city of Buffalo) is better off with you living in some horrible sub-division in the contaminated sewer of a suburb Tonawanda. You certainly don't deserve to live in this beautiful neighborhood any longer, since you obviously don't appreciate its value to the rest of us. Enjoy living out the rest of your days in Tonawanda- they deserve you.

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that's not necessary.

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Agreed. Even if you disagree with the original article, have some respect for the author not hiding behind an anonymous screen name.

Again, you may disagree with the author, but this might serve as a reminder to all those that would weigh in on matters that aren't in their immediate back yard, that these matters have real life implications for those in the neighborhood.

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"that's not necessary"- I'm not sure what you're referring to, so I'll assume you are referring to the razing of a great neighborhood as being "not necessary".

His letter does nothing but show how disgruntled he is about his financial situation, which would not be an issue if they were building the plaza somewhere else. Sorry, I don't feel bad for him one bit. I feel bad for the people who HAVE NOT fled to an (awful) suburb like Tonawanda, but who remain in the neighborhood and are fighting the good fight to preserve the place they live.

He is on the wrong side of history, as is everyone else who supports this insanely stupid project.

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I think now its clear to see that you were one of the people mentioned in the writers outing. After reading this I can say with no due respect that you are a real piece of crap, and I hope your house gets bull dozed into the ground, good day. :-)

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no, I am most certainly not one of the people in the article, I am just a city resident with an opinion and to call me a "piece of crap" because you disagree with my admittedly strong point of view on the senseless destruction of a great neighborhood, reenforces the fact that the people who support this project are not good neighbors, or good citizens. And they certainly don't care about the well being of their fellow citizens. That you would wish anyones house bulldozed just shows you are some ignorant fool tea-bagger who lives in Salamanca and trolls BRO to harass concerned citizens. Get a life.

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I need to get a life, you need to get a clue. The loud screams and uninvolved lives of a few are the reason why Buffalo is stuck in 1975. You think that a secure border, hundreds if not thousands of construction jobs, a new "signature bridge", a real economic boost to the region. All of this is worth not taking down a few houses? On top of that have you ever seen the master plan for this area? I highly doubt it. I have seen the plan twice, and the nice house on the corner of Porter and Columbus and not razed. So stop lieing and crying about the quality of life. The new truck plaza with highly improve the flow of traffic in that area so THERE ARE NOT TRUCKS SITTING IDLE. Inform yourself before you jump on here with your "go hug a tree" attitude. Your mindset and outlook is the single most irritating thing about living in Buffalo. Thats right I do live in Buffalo so save the "teaparty" "republican" "suv" "suburban" bashing for someone else.

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And you are who? and you live where?

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Why does it matter?

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Do you live in this neighborhood? The city is far more contaminated, downtrodden and a blackhole for crime and murder. How many murers in the city compared to the suburbs?

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More murders in the city, but more beheadings in the suburbs so it's probably a push.

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GRAND ISLAND.

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grand island

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What's unfortunate is that all residents of the "forbidden zone," or those within the proposed plaza footprint, are in the same limbo: we can't sell, but we must maintain; and if the project does proceed, we will never recoup the investment of any major repair/improvement (e.g., new roof, furnace, porch, etc).

To blame "disgruntled obstructionists" for the plan's failure is disingenuous (and if the "obstructionists" are so successful, they'd be anything but disgruntled). The action that started this spiral, the federal government's denial of shared border management, had nothing to do with the "obstructionists."

To presume that homes left behind are unaffected, is another stretch. What homeowner would welcome the chance to live 100 ft. from a concrete truck plaza, visitors center, the world's largest land-entry duty free store, and 500 space parking garage, not to mention endure the years (and years) of construction.

And to be clear, the historic zone boundaries mentioned in the post are artificial and designed by bridge authority contractors to serve their own purpose. And it's an insignificant point anyway.

If the bridge authority has the competence--and the cash--to execute this project, they've yet to demonstrate it. In fact, they've demonstrated quite the opposite. That a few unfunded residents could present such a roadblock for an international authority such as this speaks more to the incompetence of the authority than the strength of the opposition. The fact is, the plan is flawed and the location is wrong. The best solution is to remove commercial traffic from this bridge, restore it to its original purpose, residential/tourist traffic; only then will this location begin to provide the true "gateway" experience it should. The commerce needs to relocate to a sensible, less traumatic landing, one that affords the tie-in with other forms of commercial transportation--rail, sea, air. Only with an enlightened logistic plan can we realize any benefit now and into the future from another bridge crossing.

Pick up a copy of the current issue of Buffalo Spree magazine for an important and informative overview of the historical/architectural significance of our fine neighborhood. And see in this article, four photos of my own irreplaceable 1880's home, two doors up from Mr. Lucca's and suffering the same fate. The difference in our opinions of the Peace Bridge expansion plan is that I cannot ignore its obvious failure for the sake of my own benefit.

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What would expect from one the Main obstructionists.

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Hey, PeteJo You are only in it for yourself and your other obstructionists budies. You don't care about the crime and other problems facing this area.

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I don't know if you live in the neighborhood, Rita, but I do, and to suggest I "don't care" about crime is absurd. And exactly WHAT do I have to gain by "obstructing" the plan?

In fact, the crime in this neighborhood is a direct result of the blight engineered by the bridge authority, its seeds sown almost two decades ago, when the bridge authority purchased almost an entire block of homes here and left them vacant and rotting since.

I am not only concerned with the crime that bridge-engineered blight has fostered, I'm in the middle of it. In the past few weeks, my wife an I both have confronted vandals/burglars in the neighborhood.

Not until the stranglehold on this neighborhood is released can we begin to reclaim, reuse, and restore this threatened tract.

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Can anyone refute the authors accusation of lies?

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Well done Fran. Finally, the truth comes out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ps to all the OBSTRUCTIONISTS our there OLD DOES NOT MEAN HISTORIC!

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And similarly - not historic and/or not old also does not mean "better off demolished"

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What's unfortunate is that all residents of the "forbidden zone," or those within the proposed plaza footprint, are in the same limbo: we can't sell, but we must maintain; and if the project does proceed, we will never recoup the investment of any major repair/improvement (e.g., new roof, furnace, porch, etc).

To blame "disgruntled obstructionists" for the plan's failure is disingenuous (and if the "obstructionists" are so successful, they'd be anything but disgruntled). The action that started this spiral, the federal government's denial of shared border management, had nothing to do with the "obstructionists."

To presume that homes left behind are unaffected, is another stretch. What homeowner would welcome the chance to live 100 ft. from a concrete truck plaza, visitors center, the world's largest land-entry duty free store, and 500 space parking garage, not to mention endure the years (and years) of construction.

And to be clear, the historic zone boundaries mentioned in the post are artificial and designed by bridge authority contractors to serve their own purpose. And it's an insignificant point anyway.

I'm at a loss relative to your final two points:

1) I have no idea to what you're referring about claiming your parents/you wanted your house placed on the historic registry. Please correct me if I'm wrong, mustn't a property be at least 100 years old to qualify for this designation?

2) I have participated in all of the neighborhood tours of the past few years. Only once was a bus brought into the neighborhood: when the entire board of the Preservation League of New York State toured Western New York, and our neighborhood was one of the stops. And I have never observed any tour-goer disrespecting the property of any homeowner (i.e. "trampling" lawns).

If the bridge authority has the competence--and the cash--to execute this project, they've yet to demonstrate it. In fact, they've demonstrated quite the opposite. That a few unfunded residents could present such a roadblock for an international authority such as this speaks more to the incompetence of the authority than the strength of the opposition. The fact is, the plan is flawed and the location is wrong. The best solution is to remove commercial traffic from this bridge, restore it to its original purpose, residential/tourist traffic; only then will this location begin to provide the true "gateway" experience it should. The commerce needs to relocate to a sensible, less traumatic landing, one that affords the tie-in with other forms of commercial transportation--rail, sea, air. Only with an enlightened logistic plan can we realize any benefit now and into the future from another bridge crossing.

Pick up a copy of the current issue of Buffalo Spree magazine for an important and informative overview of the historical/architectural significance of our fine neighborhood. And see in this article, four photos of my own irreplaceable 1880's home, two doors up from Mr. Lucca's and suffering the same fate. The difference in our opinions of the Peace Bridge expansion plan is that I cannot ignore its obvious failure for the sake of my own benefit.
New York

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Someone should lead the way in getting rid of the Columbus Day Holiday.

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Do you mean Thankgiving, eh?

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with all due respect to mr. lucca, anyone could claim that your efforts are obstructing the viability and livability of an attractive, successful, middle class neighborhood. it is always the other side who are the "obstructionists."

i doubt that whoever scheduled the bus tour was privy to your personal schedule or sat around devising ways to hurt your feelings. bus tours are usually scheduled weeks or months in advance.

having said that, you have my deepest sympathy on the loss of your son.

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This house is 2100 sq. ft. his house in Tonawanda is 1500+ sq. ft. not much diffrence. Did he realy try to dump this house on some unsuspecting buyer and it blew up on him?

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Actually it's a pretty big difference, The City house is almost 50% larger than his Tonawanda home.

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600 sf is quite a difference when we're talking gross living area. Also, the author mentions they moved due to declining health. A smaller house is much easier to get around. Tonawanda is dotted with ranches, so they may have moved to one to reduce the number of stairs.

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Oh my goodness! Mr. Fran Lucca, as I have known you my entire life, and you just beeped and waved to me from your car the other day as I was on my porch. For the sake of some who think we are hiding here, being anonymous, I am Liz Martina. My grandfather and Fran's Dad were very good lifetime friends. Actually both of my grandfathers, and our families have been friends and neighbors with the Luccas forever.
I am pictured in the earlier referenced BRO article from 2007. As far as I know, none of the three of us have ever been offered any money by the PBA for our homes.......let's get that straight Fran! Even if they had, I don't think any of us are willing to be sell outs. Hmmmmm.......I thought it was illegal for the PBA to bargain with owners before the final vote!

I don't understand how wanting to stay in our homes and neighborhood and caring about what happens to the health of our city brands one as being an obstructionist. If we were greedy, I suppose we would just jump at the chance to leave here, and take the money and run. I would call that kind of a person an opportunist!
I also know that another private person offered to buy your house from you, but you refused, holding out for more money from the PBA. It is so easy to call us obstructionists, a popular and easy targeted explanation, for actually exercising our civic pride and our right as citizens in this country to challenge our elected officials, a public authority and to hold them accountable to us. After all, spending over 750 million dollars of tax payers money should demonstrate some benefit more than some short term construction jobs, that could happen if the bridge were built anywhere. There were times in years past when you supported our efforts to preserve the community.

I do feel sorry for you that the deal turned sour on the sale of your home. You should be able to sell your house when you want to for a fair price. The only ones really to blame are the PBA for not doing the plan right from the beginning. The other neighbors who also want to sell, should be able to for a fair price, as well. You should really vent your anger towards what the PBA has done to create the engineered blight, such as the vacant Episcopal Church Home and the former residential properties on Busti Ave.

Where are your facts about the historic homes? The National Trust naming this community one of the Eleven most endangered in the country is no trite matter. The PBA hired someone to come up with their own made up Disney Historic District deciding who was in and who was out. They just happened to leave out the homes they wanted to destroy. When you have unlimited resources to sway and influence people, this is what happens. The PBA has lied to all of us for years. Why would you even begin to trust them now. Even you believed that the plaza and bridge were going to be North of Rhode Island Street, until the announcement from the PBA in July 2007. That is why you thought you could sell your home for the price you listed it at before then.

Are you saying I should have wanted to uproot my parents as lifetime residents, who lived in the other side of our duplex and who you knew were suffering with Alzheimer's disease, before they were ready to transition to a costly care facility for the so called good of this community or should I have done that for you, so you could turn your back on this community and cash in? After all, you cared for your parents in their own home, as well.

We also were not responsible for a busload of people stopping at your house, as that is a separate preservation group. I do believe your house was listed as a museum at one time, showcasing the many artifacts you had there from your parents related to Christopher Columbus. It is historic in the fact that your Dad lobbied to have Columbus day a national holiday. I am sure you are proud of his influence in our history.

I am proud of this community and proud of all of the people who have spent countless unpaid hours, researching, writing, talking, studying, meeting and educating themselves and the community on all of the issues involved without the unlimited resources the PBA and government has, or a team of paid employees. I want to remain here now more than ever!

THIS PLACE MATTERS TO US! I am sorry it doesn't to you.

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Fantastic comment!

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Wow, that last comment was one the most thoughtful I have read on this site.

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Also, Fran, my house is slated to be condemned to become a parking lot for 500+ cars. Kathy's house will be left behind and she will be looking at the parking lot. Any resident who is left behind will be putting up with years of construction, pollution from the construction, noise and the demise of a big part of their neighborhood. Do not minimize the people who are left behind to deal with the mess! Do you think those left behind will have an increase in property values?

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Liz and other homeowners,

Just remember that today's 'obstructionists' are tomorrow's visionaries (see Sheas, Babeville, Canalside, corner of Main and Virginia, etc, etc, etc.) Keep up the good work.

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Sounds like the house was inherited. I think he would not have any problem selling it if he put it up for a reasonable price. Its not looking like he is taking any sort of loss on it?

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Sorry Mr. Lucca, but your argument is not persuasive. And the name calling doesn't help either.

I have relatives in the Peace Bridge neighborhood. They love their homes and they love Buffalo.

They want a new bridge and plaza that does not destroy the beautiful neighborhood they live in.

If standing up for your neighborhood is being an "obstructionist", then count me in!

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Thank you Francis S. Lucca for confirming that the plaza is bad for Buffalo.

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The thing about this whole arguement is you don't even need a new bridge. The bridge itself can handle the traffic, the problem is the customs processing. The bridge is just a parking lot, so you have cars parked on 2 bridges? I don't think that is worth any investment in another bridge.

So how do you do it? Be inovative and work with confined space just like other URBAN areas do all over the country. Double deck the plaza on the US side allowing for 2 times the processing in the same foot print and on the same bridge.

The granduer of these plans to me sometimes seem like its more about having a bridge to point at than alieviating the root problems.

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Black Rock faced a similar threat a few years ago with the proposed Ambassador Bridge. A diesel truck plaza is not compatible with a densely populated area, it is that simple. No sane person would want to live and raise a family in the shadow of such a noisy, dirty, and unhealthy environment. Diesel exhaust is a serious and well documented health threat, not just a nuisance. Proponents of the plaza are either really naive, or cold blooded and concerned only with their own interests.

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Diesel isnt as bad as you try to make it out to be. Almost every car in Europe is run by diesel. They arent all suffering its effects. Many European countries have a greater life span than ours. And they have less stringent emission laws

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Steel, Blackrock, Poodle, Hamp, etc.: Let's take Francis down with our bleeding heart arguments. You go you trolls.

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Well, Fran; your response?

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One of the few stories not covered at is the fact the PBA has hired several employees (Canadian accents) to act as thugs and commit crimes in this neighborhood for years. The intent is to scare residents away. I saw Ron Rienas himself shove a gun down a resident's throat and point blank ask in a southern thwang, "Move ur ass mother (u know the rest). I'm shocked the Buffalo Beast (I mean Buffalo Rising) hasn't uncovered this story yet.

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I wonder how fast this author would change their mind if a giant truck depot was being planned next to their new Tonowanda house?

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Tonawanda is a giant truck depot already.

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Come on man, THERE IS ALREADY ONE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET!!!!

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Knock knock, Mayor Brown, is anyone home?

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Have you actually read your link? Hmmm nothing concrete but a lot of PROBABLY thrown around in the article. Like I said this isnt a problem in other parts of the world where diesel is the prevalent fuel. Look at cities like Paris, Brussels, Munich, Madrid, the list goes on and on. These are much bigger cities with a lot more traffic than what the Peace Bridge experiences.

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I completely applaud the efforts of the people in the neighborhood to not only preserve the community and historic homes (and they are historic, as I understand the word, some having belonged to former Civil War officers, and a mayor of Buffalo, etc.). To me, "community" as a concept is not to be taken lightly. Buffalo is known as the city of good neighbors, but all too often in today's modern world, we make little time to get to know them. Despite disagreeing with Mr Lucca, eam demonstrates she knows him well and has done for many years, that he knew her family. Can we really put a price on having people to have block parties with, who help push your car in the snow, who look out for your kids as they play outside, who come with food and kind words during a bereavement? These residents are there for one another. Just the *threat* hanging over these people to to uproot some (and as it has been pointed out, leave others behind) is at least as stressful and harsh a reality as not being able to sell a house, and is arguably worse. You may be losing money, but these people are under threat of losing homes, personal histories, friends scattered and an entire way of life gone. Can you put a price on that?

These PRESERVATIONISTS are not financially or selfishly motivated, so far as I understand it, but are chiefly concerned with saving this community and not endangering the future health of generations of other Buffalo residents *outside* the few blocks that would be given over to the parking lot/plaza. Asthma and cancer are at a higher rate in the surrounding area, not just on the few blocks in question. I wish that Mr Lucca had expressed some concern for his neighbors who have been living with these serious ailments.

Diesel is a major carcinogen! I am hoping that in the coming years there will be greener alternatives, but I don't think double decking the plaza is a viable alternative, health-wise. I would like to see more solutions that reduce the fumes such as shipping goods over by train - please research what is being said on this subject as an alternative before dismissing it! It works in other cities and as far as National Security, it is a safer alternative, too, because they can scan the goods more easily. As a nation, we need to be forward thinking, beyond a dependance on fossil fuels. If we can't be free of them now, what will do the least damage?

"Primum non nocere" - first do no harm - or, "given an existing problem, it may be better not to do something, or even to do nothing, than to risk causing more harm than good."

I'm sorry to say this, because I don't like to judge, but Mr. Lucca sounds mostly interested in a financial outcome that will benefit him and some other residents who want gain monetarily, without much thought to the legacy of the area. Unfortunately, it's an open secret that the PBA has now de-valued the area and will call all the shots when it comes to property values. Those hoping to cash in may be very disappointed indeed.

The so-called "obstructionists" - a term I'm hoping we drop as fast as "socialist" or "Nazi" for those who disagree with us - are interested in preserving something greater than themselves. That's true altruism, to be thinking of future residents, and not just of the here and now.

I think eam was quite diplomatic in her reply and it's nice to see that level of sane discourse on a subject that so many feel strongly about. Let's hope that sets the standard.

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Here's an attached article about Europe and health issues from diesel emissions from the World Health Organization.

www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/.../e86650sum.pdf

Europe has been proactive with their emission standards, but also hasn't fully studied and gathered the necessary data based on this paper.

If we want to look to Europe for answers, let's look at how Europe values it's history and takes pride in preserving the past. Europeans wouldn't think of tearing down all that we do! They cherish even what remains of a damaged building because it tells the story of where they came from.

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This thread is about as sad as the governor's race.

Maybe there is a book out there that teaches how to negotiate and compromise with completely delusional people; maybe there is a book out there that helps delusional people realize they're delusional. There is a huge market for it in Buffalo.

The post on "imagining the waterfront" made me laugh out loud. The pun was intended? I doubt it.

I've realized the vocal whoever's in Buffalo are so gone that you can't even have a debate with them. It's just a complete waste of time. They've probably already forgotten about the last wall of bricks they saved the community from losing.

Somebody mentioned, in some other comment about "how great spaces like..."canalside" have become...(sic)" - delusional. Canalside is still nothing, yet somehow this person is so far gone they think it's something, in fact something 'great'. Does anyone else see this as really really sad?

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As I said in the other post, show pictures of the property's really affected. These residents are only posting pictures that they feel will tug on peoples heart strings, of beautiful, finished property's which in truth is false. Every post or article these people get, they only show the homes that in reality are not affected at all. Liers, the whole lot of them. Show people the run down valueless properties that will be torn down. I see why Buffalo is getting nor going anywhere soon.

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spell check?
Its obvious those supporting the demo's only are looking to cash out and not looking at the impact to the whole community (city/region). Good for you. We see the big picture = bad project!

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So your "big" picture is the right and only one?

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No one wants a giant truck depot next to their (Non Torn Down) house.

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Diesel exhaust contains over 450 different compounds with 40 of these compounds considered highly toxic. These compounds include benzene, dioxins, arsenic, toluene, and formaldehyde.

Diesel exhaust from trucks contains 100 to 200 times more small particulate matter than gasoline exhaust. As a result diesel accounts for 26% of the total hazardous particulate pollution from fuel combustion sources in our air and 66% of particulate pollution from on road sources. Small particulate matter is readily inhaled and is linked to respiratory disease, chronic obstructive lung disease, pneumonia, heart disease, and death.

The health risk from diesel exposure is greater for children,the elderly, people with existing respiratory problems, people that exercise in polluted areas and those who work or live near diesel exhaust sources.

Truck plazas and the surrounding areas have been found to be contain the highest concentrations of diesel exhaust, far exceeding all other areas and the limit set by EPA

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Wow now I know alot about diesel exhaust, thanks for waisting my time. If you look at the overall plan it clearly dictates that the trucks will not just be sitting idle, and will have a direct line of access across the bridge. Which will cut down on overall wait time. That inturn will improve the overall air quality.

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So, if they are not to sit idle, WHY DOES THERE HAVE TO BE A PLAZA? You guys are simply fortifying our argument.

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Your welcome, thought I might bring some facts into the discussion, otherwise all we get is a persons opinion and bias.

As for the plan, it is to attract even more trucks and yes they will idle in line as they wait. Idling trucks produce even greater amounts of diesel exhaust than a moving truck and that exhaust is concentrated in the area around the bridge. The air quality will not improve due to the increased volume, even the PBA makes no such claim.

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"Idling trucks produce even greater amounts of diesel exhaust than a moving truck and that exhaust"


.....please explain how that is possible?

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When trucks idle the combustion process is incomplete and inefficient resulting in a greater amount of particulate matter and other pollutants being discharged.

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Being the limited grease monkey that I am I can say, "That is one hundred percent completely falso." (no not a typo).

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Silly comment - The purpose of the plaza is to provide room for trucks sitting idle while they wait to pass customs.

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Buffalo has a failure complex. Plain and simple. We've done things that haven't so we do nothing rather than do something and have it fail. That's why 3 women can block a 25 million dollar development. Ever drive on the Thruway and see the sign board with border crossing times? WE NEED ANOTHER BRIDGE!

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Kind of ironic . . . .
that the writer would cite their father's history with history,
as their credential to be an authority on wiping it out.

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I have crossed that bridge probably 100 times. If I have had to wait, the number of lanes on the bridge has never been the problem. The bottleneck always seems to come at customs/immigration. I have been unable to find a compelling argument for a new bridge, and I have looked very hard.

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BurchJP: What about all of the trucks that will continue to idle or restart while stopping and shopping at the newest largest duty free in North America? The plan is to bring 3.4 million more trucks through the area.....that will make us a little less sick!!

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Ummm for one you could move, especially is you are offered twice what you house is worth, and thats just commonsense. Plus all the times I've been to the duty free I have never seen a trucker in there with his truck idling outside. Truckers pass through the area, they dont use it as a destination for shopping. Do you think they care about buying a duty free watch or NF t-shirt?

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To clarify: with eminent domain, the DOT will offer homeowners "market value" for their homes (take it or take it!), and how has the engineered blight of the bridge authority affected home prices in the neighborhood? what do you think?

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...and if truckers are just "passing through" what sense does it make to pass them through (what would be left of) a stable historic neighborhood when they could pass at a more sensible location?

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I travel the FT Erie bridge to visit my family in Toronto. Only time I have issue is coming back to get into my own country US. Plus the maze of confusion you have to go though when trying to get off the bridge getting into the US. They always change the direction of the cones making it confusing. I have seen trucks lined up at times also during the day. But since the value of the dollar has dropped so much and with the stricter requirements getting in out of the countries i heard that less people are traveling over the bridges to shop etc.

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The trucks are there at the duty free all of the time. I can see them from Busti Ave. even though the PBA has put up a wall to block their view. If they restart their engines, the diesel emissions are at their worst for emissions, as with idling. And yes, they may not buy a watch, but they are buying booze and tobacco products.
It is a myth that the PBA would even think of giving us twice the value of our homes. There is a legal amount they are allowed to offer anyone. You just don't get it......we don't want to move! Move the trucks somewhere else!
Trucks coming through Buffalo don't add a dime to our local economy. They don't shop in our stores, they don't attend sporting events, go to any of our restaurants or visit any museums. There is no value added by these trucks tearing up our roadways and polluting our communities. Buffalo should not be a trucking thoroughfare to pass through. It has always been the wrong project at the wrong place.

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Truckers cannot have any alcohol anywhere on themselves or in or on their trucks (unless it is the load). They are not stopping to shop at duty free they are stopping for other purposes

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I visit duty free weekly. Truckers are always there, purchasing mostly tobacco, taking advantage of discounts offered to commercial drivers.

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Let's just forget about the Peace Bridge and have the trucks cross at Niagara Falls. I hope they build the distribution centers there instead of here. Let the commerce rebuild Niagara Falls so in 20 years we can all bitch about what a big mistake not expanding the Peace Bridge was. We can talk about how clean the air is from the GM plant that is operating at 1/100th capacity, or the Dunlop plant that is seeking a waiver from the DEC for an increase in sulfur emissions. If they don't get that they will probably close. Let the Tonawanda coke plant close and the power station on the river because they all emit carcinogens into the air. No need to be concerned about the workers who make their living in those plants or those who make their living driving a truck. Why not increase the amount of diesel the driver has to use to drive out of the way because we don't want them anywhere near our pristine neighborhoods.

I hope none of you ever complain about the lack of jobs in Buffalo. I hope none of you complain about poverty in Riverside and Black Rock. You are contributing to it.

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in 20 years, gas will be $10/gallon and supplies will be unreliable. trucking will be dead and rail will rule. we will have thrown away a stable, middle class neighborhood (as if we have so many that they're disposable) for a worthless truck plaza.

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Do you really believe that hype? Do you really think that we are going to fall into some Mad Maxx world due to the fuel shortages? I thought you were more intelligent than that.

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I don't remember freight trains in Mad Maxx, but it has been some time since I have seen the movie.

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no, actually, i think we will have more humane and livable communities after peak oil.

the department of energy recognizes it and says we're not prepared:

http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/news/news_detail.cfm/news_id=10691

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Gas supply on the planet is unlimited for Americans

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I am glad that Liz (eam) offerred a rebuttal. Things are rarely as simple as they may seem.

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Waaah! I can't sell my house because evil OBSTRUCTIONISTS are stopping a WILDLY DESTRUCTIVE PLAN from being implemented by the PBA! If my house was two blocks over I wouldn't care AT ALL what gets decided but because MY MONEY is at stake I suddenly care! Waaah! Get a good closeup of my tears as I cry, Waaah!!!

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