City October 20, 2010 2:32 PM

A Civic Going Out of Business Sale

A Civic Going Out of Business Sale

State and local governments from coast to coast are making major budget cuts as they grapple with plunging revenues and years of deferred investment and maintenance. One refrain of some has been that just like with household budgets, government simply cannot spend more than it takes in. Thus painful cuts are the only option.

There's no doubt this is true in the short term. Clearly, we have to make adult decisions about priorities and can't spend money on everything, no matter how much shrieking about the end of the world every single special interest group on the planet makes when they are asked to step up to the plate and do their fair share to balance the budget.

But let's take this household analogy further. Let's say a family is forced to make major cuts, to the point where they have to start cutting back on maintaining their car. They can't afford oil changes, tires, brakes, etc. when the old ones wear out. All they have money for is food and shelter. In a sense it would be true to say that they don't have money to spend on oil changes. But if you can't afford to pay to maintain your car, what you're really saying is that you can't afford the car, period.

4371525461_ed7f1afb30_b.jpgSimilarly for cities, if they can't afford to maintain their infrastructure, run decent schools, or provide any services other than basic public safety (and often even having to make cuts in that), what they are really saying is that they can't afford to be a city.

That's the situation too many places find themselves in. They can't afford to be cities, and so are really in the process of an extended civic going out of business sale. As with a company that has been issued a going concern warning by its auditor and is about to be delisted from the stock exchange, people smell the whiff of death about it, so it doesn't attract many customers or investors. Which is to say that people aren't moving there - they are moving out if anything - and businesses are staying away. Who wants to stake their personal or financial future on a place that might not have a future of its own?

This is something merely balancing this year's budget isn't going to fix. What's really needed is to restore investor confidence. That's going to take more than balanced budgets. Just as most companies don't fail because their costs are too high, but rather because of the forces of creative destruction, excess leverage, poor product positioning, quality and customer service issues, a bad strategic concept, etc., most cities don't fail because their budget's too big, but because they are no longer relevant to the marketplace. They are selling an inferior version of a product that customers no longer want to buy.

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For too many struggling cities, especially former industrial towns, even if their current service levels could be delivered for a budget of zero that wouldn't save them.

The real issue with many cities is that their leaders spend too much time grappling with short term issues, particularly budgets in the present day, and not nearly enough time thinking about where the trend line is taking them and what they need to do to drive a materially better outcome in the future.

That's the challenge - and a hard one. Cities with long standing enlightened leadership and populations - like Columbus, Indiana, for example - have been able to stay strong by staying ahead of the curve. For those where the rot has already taken hold, it's a far greater struggle. This applies not just to regions, but also struggling suburbs and inner city neighborhoods even within thriving metro areas.

By all means budgets have to be balanced and spending bloat can kill you. Fiscal and operational matters must be attended to. But until these places take a hard, spare no illusions look in the mirror and develop a compelling reason for a person or business to hitch their fortunes to these places instead of thriving ones elsewhere, too many older cities will continue on the slow road to oblivion.

 

Aaron M. Renn is a urban policy analyst and consultant based in Chicago. His writings appear at his blog, The Urbanophile, and in other publications.

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I know I've read this before but can't think of where.

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terrible, simply terribl

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The only thing is the City of Buffalo isn't in a dire situation like many cities in the rest of the country. Thank the control board.

This should be our time to step up and fill the vacuum that others can't. The time to step up is closing as the country gets back on track.

We should be leading at this time and preparing to take advantage of the eventual upturn (instead of watching on the sidelines like we have the past half decade)

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Two control boards, library cuts, culturals cut, schools broke, roads falling apart, blight spreading, unmet pension obligations...need I go on?

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My uncle would like to borrow some of the roses from your glasses for his flower shop

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hey man... the budget is balanced and as I remember the city had a surplus last year.

There are many cities that are very deeply in debt. Buffalo is not. There has to be something better than just to watch on the sidelines.

Its a chance to go an compete is all I'm saying.

For once Buffalo isn't a joke financially (AAA Bond Rating).

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Chris, I appreciate you bringing facts to the conversation but these guys have me convinced that blindly bitter nonsense can be much more gratifying. Substitute "AAA bond rating" with "duhhhhhh... da city cant get its act together", then repeat sprinkling in more generalizations and half truths and you will be on your high horse in no time.

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Substitute A+ bond rating for AAA bond rating and you'll actually have the truth. A+ bond rating is the 5th highest bond rating you can have, not the highest and it still puts our debt out of investment range for fixed-income and institutional investors.

That said, AIG collapsed under the weight of the claims made against their AAA-rated CDO's, because ratings aren't worth a damn.

please understand your metrics before using them to make a point.

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Well A+ certainly sounds like a healthy municipality which I believe was the point Chris was making. That counters the "reality" of a train wreck at city hall that the crybaby crowd likes to perpetuate.

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You need a reality check

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Lol! Another "reality" lecture delivered from atop Mt. Talk radio. Brilliant. Simply brillian.

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If by Mt Talkmore you mean WBEN and Rush Windbag then I agree with you totally. There is no need for more conservative brainwashing by right wing teabaggers and repuklicans in America. The conservatives have set our country back by decades they should just quit meddling before they mess things up even more than they did when they blindly followed the bumbling Bush for 8 years.

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Keep electing democrats and here we are...poor and broke ass city

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You know what the cause of all this Poverty is? Poverty.

-BlackRockLifer

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The solution is to build more new stuff further out into the farm land. Then you will have all new stuff and you can just abandon the old stuff.

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My God give your one note trumpet a rest already. It's quite a bore.

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renn doesn't say it, but surely part of the problem is that americans have been persuaded that taxes and government are evil. never mind that we pay the lowest taxes in the industrialized world.

americans want all of the goodies (highways, bridges, social security, medicare, schools, police protection, courts, prisons, firefighters, garbage collection, soldiers fighting terrorists, environmental protection, safe airplanes, food, drugs, and water, etc.) but don't want to have to pay for them.

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spoken like a true renter who makes minimum wage. Easy to talk about taxes when you hardly pay for them.

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short terms issue attention is what wins votes

city government is only as good as the electorate that votes them in

bottom line - this city is highly uneducated, so are its leaders and the decisions they make

education is the building block - but scumbags like james williams, any union ever established and basically anyone in the baby boom generation are out there for themselves and dont care about tomorrow(i.e., investing in education of youth), they would rather build roads and suburbs

once they are all dead i think the united states goes bankrupt from the commy unions, social security and nancy pelosi, then we will have an opportunity for change and maybe a future that doesnt involve being china's biatch

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Greed and selfishness cause poverty. The rich create poverty through their minimum wages and lucrative system that they created to benefit themselves at the expense of the poor. These are the same people that have turned their back on the city and built their sprawling mcmansions in the whitewashed suburbs so Aiden and McKenzie don't have to go to school with the untouchable caste. The saddest part is that they think they are doing a noble thing by throwing a few scraps to the poor a few times a year with donations to the soup kitchens or by giving away a few of their unneeded outfits when they have bought 10 to replace it. They don't see themselves as part of the problem but figure that they are the white knights who are going to solve it by giving a paltry donation that amounts to only a fraction of a fraction of a percent of their net worth to those who live paycheck to paycheck, if they are lucky enough to work for someone who hasn't shipped their job to India or China so they can save a few bucks an hour so Muffy can afford that new Hummer2 for soccer practices and PTA.

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What about the concentration of wealthy who have decided to live within the city limits? Clearly there is a larger concentration of very wealthy who live in the city vs the burbs.

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I see that broad stroke generalization and demonizing is alive and strong. Bravo to you sir for encouraging the ever expanding gulf of ignorance and irrationality. Ohh, ohh, let me play too . . .

Flipping the coin . . . ok, here we go:

The city is full of criminal, drug addicted, single mothers with ten crack baby children who sit around all day on their lazy butts living off the hard work of tax paying, god fearing, suburbanites who only want to enjoy their Starbucks double latte as they whisk their dear little ones, who are watching DVDs on the SUV’s built-in entertainment system, at the highest speed possible down yet another highway out of the blighted sludge of the city’s core to the promised lands of subdivisions, peace, and conformity.

Or . . .

The suburbs are full of uppity “white” folks that hide their trashy and ignorant blue collar origins behind a poorly constructed veil of materialism and self-centeredness and refuse to embrace their downtrodden and helpless neighbors in the city who are only looking for an honest break and long for a job – any job – that will restore their sense of dignity and purpose; however, they cannot since the insatiable and empty greed of the great suburban coven consumes more and more in a wanton and brazen manner with its almost maniacal lust for the destruction of historical properties and the creation of urban prairies, which continues to keep them on the run towards marginalization and insignificance.

Just a bunch of meaningless babble - and so it goes.

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"Listen, someone's child stomach just growled. Did you hear it? You've gotta listen like me.

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“. . . politics as usual . . .” indeed.

If Jonathan Swift and Mr. McMillian could span the gulf of time and combine in some form of bizarre Cronenberg genetic smashup the resulting being would be a fountainhead of unending bemusing pearls of wisdom . . .

Enough of that, though, I have a dinner date with a shoe.

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What you don't know about the wealthy in Buffalo is a lot.

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Although I do not like to partake in the city v suburb debates that occur on this site, as I feel that the battle lines that exist between the two sides add to the inability for our region as a whole to improve, I have to side with the city side here and argue that if cuts must be made in order for our particular region to survive and hopefully thrive again in the near future, than the cuts must be made at the suburban/county level. These cuts need to made via laws/regulations that end all new developments (include all residential/commercial/industrial) outside a certain radious of the downtown core. By continuing to build new developments further from the city core we are only putting our region further in a financial/political/safety stranglehold.
I am not stating that all new development needs to be restricted within city limits though, as the health of our first ring suburbs is just as important to our region. Many first ring suburbs have whole sections that developed along with (and in some cases before) many parts of the city (while many parts of North Buffalo was in its infancy it relied more so Kenmore than on the rest of the the city).
That being said though, a successful region is dependent on a strong urban core and the further out development occurs the more weakened our urban core becomes.
If you look at the cities/regions that have been hardest hit by the great recession they are areas where new suburban style development has occurred at a rapid pace...areas in the south and southwest predominantly. Our version of this growth is Amherst East of the 290, Clarence, Lancaster, Wheatfield and Orchard Park, and it is precisely these ares of our region that have and continue to weaken our urban core.
By preventing new growth in these areas and funneling back into city and first ring suburbs it will allow our region to rebuild the foundation that originally developed during the heyday of growth in buffalo and wny. Without a strong foundation though any structure will fail.
Thus that is why the cuts that need to be made here are not to be found in the old, decaying urban core and its 1st ring offspring that is a necessity to our regions being but in the new and "plastic" out ring suburbs that are really a luxury for our over-bloated region...it's time to trim the fat...and work on the core (px90 for wny?)..ok bad joke to end my rant

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BuffaloBeer – I don’t think you are siding with the city or rallying against the suburbs in your proposal for a regional plan. I am with you on the whole “us versus them” arguments that so oft appear on this website and sincerely concur with the concept of a regional plan that removes incentives for expanded infrastructure and adds incentives to refill the urban core. The city and its suburbs do not live in a vacuum exclusive of one another and until more folks at the street level up to the town, city, and county government recognize this, we can only wish for progress, or, at the very least, stabilization.

I grew up in the sticks outside the city and have watched brokenheartedly as the majesty of the city is allowed to rot and the peace of the country is gouged by encroaching “development”. Since this is a website called BUFFALO Rising it is no surprise the focus is on the city, but the rural landscape that supported the city’s development has also suffered and continues to. The death of industry started the decline of the city. The birth of industrial farming and the improvements to national level transportation weakened the surrounding rural economies (smaller family farms are no match for the productivity and transport power of a corporate farm). The weakening of the local farm cultural opened the land for development in the form of suburbs – the “American Dream” of a lawn and somewhere green. Who paid the price? The city and their rural counterparts. Both sides of the fence sold off their soul piece by piece and allowed themselves to be pimped out by their elected officials and lack of policy.

A comprehensive plan is needed for WNY. Erie County, Niagara County, and all of the municipalities within them need to partner to create a vision and course for the region backed by real enforceable policy. We rose together and we will eventually sink together if we do not all “man up” and start rowing the boat in the same direction.

How (and if it is even possible) to get this done is the big question . . .

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See Framework for Regional Growth:
http://www.thepartnership.org/files/pdfs/Framework_Full_Rpt.pdf

It's not the plans we're lacking, but rather the legal mechanisms to implement and enforce them.

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The church pictured at top... when did I miss the building to it's left being demolished?

There was a story about a year ago on BR about the property, and I enquired about purchasing it. The church said they had no intention of selling, that they'd be building something else on the site. (This was completely contrary to the public statements made by the church.)

The building to the left was in good condition (well, better than it appeared at first look).

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I take issue with a number of assertions this author makes. This post was nothing but fluff.

Most businesses don't go out of business because their costs are too high? How does he know that? What business has he ever operated?

Businesses don't relocate to particular cities because the pall of death hangs over those cities? Really? Much more likely they don't locate to a region or city because of real world cost of doing business in those regions/towns and because market/production efficiencies don't make those citie/regions as good a locale as some other.

The cities now experiencing fiscal problems are doomed to fade into oblivion? Really? And they're failing not because their costs are too high, but because they haven't managed to somehow be relevant? What? Sure: it's not the cost of the municipal unions' pensions and health care; it's the uncreative government leaders lacking in vision that doom towns. Right. And the fact that we are the most heavily taxed state in the union has no relationship to the economic dolldrums that are upstate NY. Every single city in upstate is hemorrhaging jobs and population and has been for decades, but this isn't because the cost of government here is higher than other states. No, that has nothing to do with it. And all those growing regions thrive not because of low cost of doing business, but because those region's leaders have vision. Yeah. Sure.

I found myself quite annoyed with this author's vapid essay.

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Bini,

Your bullshit detector has been on point recently. Good post.

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To boil that down past the sarcasm, low taxes=job growth right?

If NYS found a way to magically bring its tax burden to say Montana levels we would stop the "hemorrhaging"?

I think what makes a region attractive is its overall value which can include lower taxes as well as strong schools, healthcare, arts, etc. In other words blindly slashing the budget, as papa bear Carl suggests, may make upstate more appealing to a select few but would also negatively impact features that make the region appealing to others.

We should be working to improve our overall value to residents and businesses instead of simply being the low bidder. Having the vision to play to our strengths is more important to upstate's health than arbitrarily cutting taxes and hoping "The Market" does the rest.

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What you think makes a region attractive is largely irrelevant to large companies who would like to relocate services here. For them it is all about taxes and the cost of business.

For those entrepreneurs who would like to start and grow their own business, then those factors begin to matter. Unfortunately, The tax and regulatory code of the state and county is punitive to those risk-takers and will find it tough to compete with the big boys who can ameliorate those costs over a larger corporate structure.

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You are oversimplifying things by linking "cost of business" to taxes. Taxes are one of several factors influencing the cost of business along with labor, utilities, inventory etc. For example, high taxes in NY can be offset cheap hydro-power, cheap labor etc. I am told one of the reasons banks and other back office institutions have significant presence in WNY is they can find skilled labor willing to work for less than other parts of the country.

Don't get me wrong, I think an extremely high tax rate diminishes our region's marketability. I just think a lot of the programs those taxes pay for (education, healthcare, environmental responsibility etc) enhance upstate's desirability.

The tricky part is cutting the budget without cutting valuable services.

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You are oversimplifying things by thinking I am only referring to taxes.

Every rule and regulation, every required permit and authorization requires an expenditure of both time and money (hiring lawyers or accountants, for instance) That, in effect, privilages those firms who are already large enough to spread the cost out over their entire corporate structure. And it does so at the expense of start-up firms whose margin has just been wiped out by those very same regulations.

And yes, there are other ways to lower the cost of doing business. You mention low-cost hydro, which is only available to those who the NYPA deem worthy, so that does not favor small-business or the unconnected.

You also mention low-cost of labor, which is funny because you would throw a hissy fit is someone suggested that cost of labor decline below that artificial delineation you call a "living wage.' Labor should be much cheaper in Buffalo than it is now (think Bangalore, without the aptitude for mathematics), but due (again) to governmental interference in the price discovery process, that doesn't happen.

FYI- A+ rating might sound healthy, but it is as far away from AAA rating as it is from Junk Bond Status. So in the spectrum from Junk to AAA, Buffalo is smack in the middle.

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Reggie-q > "You are oversimplifying things by thinking I am only referring to taxes."

You're giving me the "I know you are but what am I" defense? Saying "Its all about cost of doing business and taxes" certainly sounds like you are focusing on just one of several costs of doing business.
Also, If you have ever looked at a P&L statement for just about any business you would see that state and local taxes represent a very small portion of overall costs. Payroll, inventory, and in some cases, utilities have much more of an impact on a budget.

Reggie-q > "Every rule and regulation, every required permit and authorization requires an expenditure of both time and money "

Are you referring to our stringent environmental regulations? Those do add costs to companies who pollute but provide a considerable public benefit to the public in the form of cleaner air and water. It is too bad that low bidder states make it easier for these places to pollute by whoring out their environment. Had they adopted similar restrictions these companies may have improved their efficiency.

Reggieq> "You also mention low-cost of labor, which is funny because you would throw a hissy fit is someone suggested that cost of labor decline below that artificial delineation you call a "living wage."

Where the heck are you getting this stuff from? In the event large amounts of subsidy are involved I would be in favor of a CBA but not so in normal cases. Besides, the jobs I mentioned earlier start well above "artificial delineations" like minimum or "living" wages. Like the local loser drama influenced jab you threw in there about Bangalore. Take that Buffalo!

Reggieq>" FYI- A+ rating might sound healthy, but it is as far away from AAA rating as it is from Junk Bond Status. So in the spectrum from Junk to AAA, Buffalo is smack in the middle."

Here is a scale showing the grades for municipal bond rating agencies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bond_credit_rating

Both Fitch and Standard & Poor's list A+ bonds in the "upper medium" category just one grade south of "high grade" status. On the flip side Buffalo would have to fall five grades (unlikely short of an unforeseen catastrophe) to fall into the
"non-investment grade" or junk range.

Sure that isn't head of the class but considering the multiple challenges Buffalo faces (late state budgets, fixed borders, age etc) I would say being on the high range of the credit scale is a noteworthy accomplishment. Considering all of the hot air the local "realists" blow about the evils of the city, you'd think our credit would be somewhere in the toilet.




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yeah, those great Buffalo Public Schools are really making this area attractive!

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yeah, those great Buffalo Public Schools are really making this area attractive!

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for what it is worth, bini, renn's website says he is a consultant, analyst, speaker, and writer. he is not anyone's career civil servant, though he probably gets contracts from various municipalities. it isn't clear if he has any staff or not, but even so, his business still has to make at least one payroll every week: his own.

http://www.urbanophile.com/bio/

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"That's going to take more than balanced budgets.... but rather because of the forces of creative destruction, excess leverage, poor product positioning, quality and customer service issues, a bad strategic concept, etc., most cities don't fail because their budget's too big, but because they are no longer relevant to the marketplace"

I agree with this whole heartedly.. this says a lot about the aspect of branding and how it is really non existent in the city of buffalo.

The tax issues vs. quality of life (bang for your buck) theory is a fine line. As ArmChair MBA states is that you can have a higher tax muncipality that provides a higher quality of life/environment that will thrive vs. a bare bones environment that just provides the basics. The main issue in wny is just that, getting the most for your tax dollars and making sure the lionshare goes to improving quality of life and environment.

On a diffent note I heard Pittsburgh is one of the top 5 cities in the country to start a small business?? Does anyone know why?

Also what specifically in Buffalo can be done to encourage small business creation in wny?

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I saw that Pittsburgh stat...I must say it is a nice city, but other than a few large corp HQ's and a pro baseball team, it is the same as Buffalo...which means we could end up similarly hopefully

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BAS>" On a diffent note I heard Pittsburgh is one of the top 5 cities in the country to start a small business?? Does anyone know why?"

Thats interesting. My guess is the presence of institutions of higher learning and financial institutions help. And yes, WNY has similar assets. Perhaps they are underutilized?

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Regarding Pittsburgh (numberphobes, move to next comment), I don't know how much of a factor it is, but the tax environment is a difference between there and WNY. According to this year's rankings at http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/22661.html NY state is 49th best (same as 2nd-worst) of 50 states for business tax climate. PA is near the U.S. median of states at #27.

If you were a business deciding between WNY and PA for a location to open or expand and knew in one you'd pay nearly nation-leading taxes and in the other you'd pay near national average taxes, it might affect your decision. Even if it didn't, it could affect your company's growth and hiring.

From the bls.gov, 20 year job growth 1990-2009:

In two western metros in PA:
Pittsburgh 1990: 1,090,296
2009: 1,136,459 (jobs gain +4.2%)

Erie 1990: 125,789
2009: 127,662 (jobs gain +1.5%)

In two western metros in NY:
Buffalo 1990: 556,379
2009: 537,745 (jobs decline -3.3%)

Rochester 1990: 505,187
2009: 492,132 (jobs decline -2.6%)

Jobs growth in western PA metros vs. shrinkage in western NYS metros all coincidences? Possibly. And perhaps some shorter time intervals can be found in which WNY does better.

Job growth in all 4 of those metros was weak. The U.S. job growth 1990-2009 was much higher, over 19%, as 109M jobs in 1990 grew to 130M in 2009. The Great Lakes region has been very weak for job growth in recent decades. But at least those two in PA had some long-term growth while the two in WNY shrunk jobs. The 7.5% difference of Buffalo's jobs shrink vs Pittsburgh's jobs growth looks pretty big. Higher taxes in NYS could be a factor.

Btw, New Jersey at #50 was the only state ranked worse than NY. Their voters recently chose a strong fiscal conservative reformer as new governor Chris Cristie, instead of continuing their status quo with Corzine.

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I love it when you talk numbers.

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Seeing all the pictures of decaying property is frustrating. Property violation fines go to NY state, the mayor would like to see them go to the city's general fund. I'd love to see it go to a dedicated city fund for low income owner occupied improvement, homesteading,city farms,more staff for enforcement and the ability to foreclose if the uncorrected violations result in fines that exceed the assessed value of the property.Owner occupied properties, with violations, could access the fund for grants or low interest loans.

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something else for the cost/benefit analysis of taxes. canadian taxes are higher than us taxes, so manufacturers should be fleeing canada for our cheaper environs, right?

"In Canada total tax and non-tax revenue for every level of government equals about 38.4% of GDP, compared to the U.S. rate of 28.2%"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Canadian_and_American_economies

well, no. automakers can make a car cheaper there than here. why? because they don't have to carry health insurance costs for their employees.

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Great example grad. Higher taxes haven't deterred growth in Ontario and other parts of Canada partly because the programs those taxes pay for add value to their respective communities. Again, not that I wouldn't want to pay lower taxes, but I wouldn't want to see valuable services cut on account of blind teabager rage.

Maybe a good place to start would be putting a halt to expanding our overbuilt auto transportation network and other sprawl enhancements. You would cut spending without hurting the overall value of the community.

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grad, that 38% figure for Canada's tax % of GDP looks wrong in wikipedia.

For the most recent years reported by http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=REV
Canada's taxes are around 33% of GDP (2007) or 32% (2008).
And in the U.S. it's around 28% (2007) or 27% (2008).

Even the reference wikipedia links to (their ref 2) says a much lower % than 38.
http://www.heritage.org/index/country/canada
"In the most recent year, overall tax revenue as a percentage of GDP was 33.3 percent."

So the U.S. vs Canada difference looks much smaller, around half of the 38 vs. 28 your comment says.

And as I said, tax costs are one factor in business decisions - not the only. A better apples-to-apples comparison would be among Canadian provinces and regions within provinces, rather than comparing their provinces to our states.

If you were a business choosing between WNY and western PA, are you and armchair saying higher tax costs in NY wouldn't be a factor at all? You'd consider it a total non-issue and only look at other costs? How can you on the one hand say Upstate NY's low cost of rents is a big positive but its higher costs for something else is irrelevant?

I'd never say it's the only issue, but to claim it isn't important at all sounds strange.

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I don't know where the "tipping point" is between renewal and continued flight and abandonment but in Buffalo's case, we know the city's footprint and infrastructure exceeded its carrying capacity. As a result, we've experienced 50 or so years of decline and disinvestment. At the same time, we've witnessed the expansion of the Buffalo's urban boundaries, which has puzzled most of us. The good news is the city's finances are in fairly good shape and the economic/energy contraction may very well trigger the end of the expansion of the suburban frontier and Buffalo's exodus will stabilize.

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max, what does "the city's footprint and infrastructure exceeded its carrying capacity" mean?

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Grad - merely that the expansion of services and infrastructure outside of a shrinking urban core means the municipalities ability to fund them is gradually eroded. I don't have the reference but there's some exurban - really rural - counties near metro Denver which were part of the next cycle growth wave that ceased in '07-'08. They're now in very dire straits financially and are looking at cutting core services just to stay afloat.

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thanks. I usually see "footprint" used in an ecological context, referring to carrying capacity. an example is an island that can grow enough food for 500 people has 5000 and no money to import food from elsewhere. buffalo has never exceeded its footprint in this dire sense of the word.

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There are many wealthy families as well as upper middle class ones as well. We all know where they are like in the Delaware District, North Park, Central Park, and Central Park. Some might include Parkside. Zip Code 14222 has a 54% population with college degrees.

They are the ones aho have the resources to keep thier properties in good shape and the money to pay for private schools. One might say that they constitute an urbane, cultured, and educated population that rivals what the suburbs have.

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if you consider the root of the word, urban people are by definition "urbane." it would be more correct to say that the suburbs have some populations that rival what we have in the city instead of vice versa.

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I definately think u can include parkside..

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I think the critcal point between the whole city vs suburb chasm comes down to one single question: where would Jesus live?

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Probably in the country where he could minister to poor farmers working Gods land

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