City September 9, 2010 2:30 PM

Road Trip: NYC's High Line

Road Trip: NYC’s High Line

The High Line in New York City is open, drawing large crowds to a once sleepy section of the west side and earning rave reviews.  The 1.45 mile former elevated rail line, abandoned since 1980, was transformed into an innovative public park and promenade thirty feet over the streets of Manhattan.  It doesn't disappoint.

From Gansevoort Street in the Meatpacking District to 20th Street, the first section of the linear green space opened in June 2009 with views of the Hudson River and city skyline.  It has been a runaway success.  An estimated two million people have experienced the High Line, a mix of locals and camera-toting tourists.

DSC_0363.JPGFriends of the High Line, a community-based non-profit group, formed in 1999 when the relic was under threat of demolition.  Friends of the High Line worked in partnership with the City of New York to preserve, fund the park's creation, and maintain the structure as a public amenity. 

Construction of stairs, ramps, elevators, and installing drainage, paths, an amphitheater, hundreds of plant species, seating, and LED lighting in the first phase cost $86 million, a mix of public and private funding.  161 out of the 210 plant species in the design of the High Line are native to New York.

 

From Travel + Leisure magazine which called the High Line a "must see green American landmark":

The sculpted concrete walkways lined with meadow grasses aren't particularly high-tech or avant-garde, but there is something absolutely of-the-moment about the patchwork of old and new, man-made and organic.  Here's a hulking, disused piece of our industrial heritage, rescued from demolition and reinvented as a work of contemporary design--design in which nature is seamlessly integrated into the architecture.  It all makes for a surprising yet coherent whole: the High Line offers as good an indication as any of the shape and texture of the 21st century: recycled, green, and chic.

DSC_0360.JPGThe High Line was designed by architectural firm Diller Scofidio + Renfro, landscape studio Field Operations, and the lighting design firm L'Observatoire.

When the High Line was built in the 1930s, the neighborhood was predominantly industrial.  Now many of the warehouses and factories have been converted to art galleries, studios, stores, restaurants, and residences.  New construction has followed.

Since a June 2005 rezoning, the area surrounding the park has seen a boom in new development, much of it cutting-edge architecture including buildings designed by 'starchitects' Frank Gehry and Jean Nouvel.  An estimated $900 million worth of offices, hotels and residential space is in various stages of development.  The new Standard Hotel straddles the park.

The next section, due to open in 2010, will extend the park to 30th Street at a cost of $66 million.  Eventually, the park will reach 34th Street, nearly 1.5 miles long, 30 to 60 feet wide, and covering eight acres.

Other cities including St. Louis, Philadelphia, Jersey City, Chicago, and Rotterdam are looking to copy New York's success by turning industrial relics into community public spaces.

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Very cool project with very cool music....something Buffalo lacks the foresight to accomplish.

Unfortunately, I had a hoped for a while that Buffalo was on the upswing. After what I witnessed this summer, I think we are actually going in reverse. Buffalo is still very ghetto.

Furthermore, there is a going to be a healthy real estate correction coming soon to down town, especially the Elmwood Village! The properties downtown are over priced by at least 100-150k. The prices can not be sustained.

A few owners will walk away from their properties after their taxes are re-assesd and then everyone will realize that they grossly over paid...it has happened in almost every city of this country...Buffalo always lagged the rest of the market.

you heard it first here!

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I don't agree that Buffalo will experience a real estate correction because we never had an astronomic increase in housing prices in the first place - just a gradual increase over the years.

Even in Elmwood village: you can get 3,500 square feet on Richmond for under $200k right now. Plenty of 2,500 square foot houses for $200-$300k, which I think is appropriate for an upscale urban neighborhood. There's an unbelievable mansion on Norwood for sale now for $330k... These are houses that would cost twice as much in similarly sized cities (not to mention what they would cost in NYC or SF or LA).

What is more likely is that house values will stay at their current values for +/- five years, then resume their lackluster-Buffalo growth of 1-2%/year.

What WOULD cause house prices to increase is lower property taxes, but I don't see that happening...

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You want to know what Buffalo lacks more than foresight in a matter such as this? 152 million dollars for an 8 acre park.

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When the High Line was threatened with demolition, a world-wide competition for design suggestions took place. (Friends in Denmark said this competition received a lot of interest there.)

Buffalo could do well to present its challenges to a larger community for ideas instead of relying on folks like those who are master-planning Skyway Side.

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Buffalo is cool. Wouldn't live anywhere else. Think positive. We will convert part of the Skyway to a park. It will be cheaper than maintaining an elevated freeway. While we're at it, we will fill in the Kensington, replacing it with beautiful green spaced boulevards. Also the cheap alternative. See or get the bumper sticker: “TAME THE TRENCH-BURY THE KENSINGTON,” (in “Olmstead Green” and “Clean-fill Brown”) http://www.makestickers.com/addtocart.aspx?SKU=90&DesignNumber=100324085904&cid=she1hz45dncxwnamcmn3n155 (This is an independent site, & I get no money from them.) I stole the phrase from a previous BR comment. I'm trying to think of a catchy phrase for a Skyway-to-park-conversion bumper sticker.

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Once the Tifft Street Connector is complete (if it is not already) and/or the outer harbor Lift Bridges are in place the skyway wont be needed. Though Im sure that NYDOT will continue to make the argument that it is needed.

Will Buffalo Real Estate go up or down? I honestly dont know but my predictions are Fuit Belt, Masten, Larkin District will remain stable and continue growing and thus increasing property values. Canalside will help Niagara Street. Elmwood will lose Childrens Hospital to the Life Sciences District and Buffalo State will continue shifting towards Grant and towards Forest with classrooms in the Richardson moving students further and further from Elmwood. Not suburbs will remain stable and declining suburbs will probably continue to struggle because their old and losing their employment base.

I fail to see what the purpose is for the highline in BuffaloRising. Buffalo's problems are not a lack of artistic talent or history or culture or architecture. Buffalo very simply has to much government, a lack of commitment to mass transit (trolleys and light rail) and a lack of commitment to infill with office and light industrial...as well as residential. The only sections of the city and the older suburbs that are doing well have a stable and or expanding job base. It doesnt take a genius to figure that out.

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i was at the highline park last year, awesome park, great views of the hudson and midtown manhattan. just added/or adding a water feature to it soon also.

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Keepitsimple...are you kidding...the skyway will NEVER become a park..not in your lifetime...

Attea...although there are a few "reasonable" deals out there, the majority of properties are grossly over priced, especially multi units...you have to remember that these people have NOT been reassessed yet...350k for a home in the Elm village is about 13k/year in taxes....its not sustainable with the maintenance of these old houses and the level of security down ther..

There will never be the policy protection in Buffalo that is required to sustain a meaningful recovery...there will be a correction...there always is! waterfront has already corrected by 15% and counting!

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I live in elmwood village and pay 3k a year for taxes

Actually - tax on a 350k property (which is more the exception than the rule in elmwood but you are an idiot guastad) is around 9K (the actual amount is 2.8% of the assessed value of the property - but again, you already knew that right?). I know its hard to conceive becasue your mommy and daddy have done this all your life but one day you might actually own a house and figure it out for yourself

also, the city lags in assessing properties at their full market value, which keeps taxes down. in my experiences, property tax level mgt is one of the things the city actually does well. when is the last time someone left the city of buffalo for the suburbs because 'the taxes were too hi"

Prices in elmwood will be fine - in fact, i'd be more concerned if i just bought a mcmansion for 350k because those houses have a lower potneital to earn income off of, as opposed to an elmwood house that is usually split into 2 homes or can be easily done

can we get an IQ check for some of these ppl posting...

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Slobadan, Vladamir, whatever...another genius making assumptions on people that you just don't know. So you pay 3k/year in taxes...where do you live? in the fruit belt?

New York State does not discriminate and neither does the city. I am well aware of the tax rate because my taxes just went up as did many others. Where have you been? Do you really think city hall isn't going to to gouache homeowners?

Bottomline, is that taxes will spike for most homeowners who saw their properties double in value. The additional debt burden coupled with the cost to maintenance a home from 1905 through a Buffalo winter will make it difficult to keep the prices where they are. They have peaked and will correct.

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first line of my post was "i live in elmwood village"

hooked on phonics buddy - try it

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3k a year in taxes in EV = the alley behind Wilson Farms

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The highline in a public/private venture NYC high society is what made this project come to life. It's one of the great examples of what can be done at thegrass roots and what investments can be spurred by such a venture. It is one of the most authentic parts of the city.

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Slobadan...Do you really live in a tent in the alley behind Wilson Farms? Is it a two unit tent?

what goes up must come down....Elmwood village has come a long way, but it is far from being "one of the top ten neighborhoods in the country!"

Slobadan, you're tent will be reassessed. Don't give the city too much credit...you're taxes are going up!


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Gausted: You're is a contraction the means you are. It's painfully obvious you don't know that. Also what does any of the crap that you are spewing off about have to do with the High Line?

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you're your, there their they're, then than, its it's, to too two, and because someone wrote it over on the Sabres uniform post won and one. I know IT's the internet but THERE doesn't need to be errors in YOUR comments that should have been learned in the second grade. Unless you're from a third world country.

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Oh, I love this rant (It sounds like me !!!).

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I've walked the High Line two or three times and am so pleased that it was saved. It's really needed in this part of town. I continue to believe, however, that the Promenade Plante in Paris knocks the spots off the High Line. Grasses and wild flowers are OK but the plantings on the Promenade are just spectacular.

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What does the High Line have to do with Buffalo?

Why should we be celebrating high taxes, big government, big union liberals in downstate when the downstate mindset is exactly what has been killing upstate for the last 50 years.

It is my understanding that downstaters visiting upstate think their complimenting us on having paved roads, indoor plumbing and shoes. Someone should tell our downstate friends that we can read too! Though our lapdog representatives like Stachowski refuse to demonstrate that talent.

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ChristieLou, considering your comment in response to WCP's nice article, I don't know if downstaters can award you any points for being able to read; however, they will award you 10 points for wearing a nice pair of brown loafers. They're lovely.

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The point is to look beyond the borders of Buffalo a couple of times a week and, you know, be inspired by what other urban areas are doing. Is this a template for a project that Buffalo can copy directly? No. Is this a project that someone reading can apply in a creative way to an issue Buffalo is facing? Yes, maybe. Put a little effort into thinking instead of bashing. It's sad that articles like this are so commonly hijacked by people hating on liberals, government, NYC, or Buffalo itself (Elmwood will collapse...really??).

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jag, really?..."apply to a creative issue Buffalo is facing".

Doesnt Buffalo have a backlog of the obvious!

Infrastructure: pothole ridden and tree-less streets, broken curbs and sidewalks, non-functioning arc and street lighting, 50% leak rates in water mains and sewars, un-used Port of Buffalo, a light rail that is begging to be extended...even NFTA says Elmwood and Delaware are viable for a trolley line.

Buildings that brand Buffalo but are unused and undeveloped: AM&As, Statler, Central Terminal Complex, DL&W, Graystone, Lourdes, Bosch, St Vincents, etc.

Business, Education and Residential: UB and Buffalo State are slow in expanding smalling business incubators, classrooms and dorms; the city has a terrible record of brownfield re-development into urban light industrial, warehouse and office space, as well as, residential infill.

Historically and Culturally: No Pan Am restoration projects, no War of 1812 restoration projects, Olmsted Park restoration projects are stalled, no presidential libraries, nothing about Mark Twain House, no restoration of LaSalle ship that explored the Great Lakes...

Creative solutions...like urban farming...this is just a pat on the back for downstate during an election cycle next month when downstate will once again put their boots upon the necks of upstate.

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Oh, don't worry, I agree that there's plenty of low hanging fruit out there for Buffalo to fix. But I don't think that means articles like this about creative, constructive reuse are worthless.

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JohnQBuffalo FOR MAYOR.....thank you for the most poignant post that I have read on this site since its inception. You pretty much summed it alll up.

Jag...no one said "collapse," but a "correction" is in order...Buffalo it still too underdeveloped to command top dollar for its real estate...it will happen.

Salaries around here do not support the mortgage payments or the rents.

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Gaustad 1 = Clueless.

Elmwood Village is the type of lifestyle that more and more people are looking for. And unlike Phoenix or Vegas, there was no real estate bubble (slow and steady wins the race), and there will never be any significant new development in EV.

Supply constrained + steady demand = a good real estate market.

Also,typical buyer of an EV house is there to stay, and has no intention of flipping it (you can't flip when prices go up 3% annually). Vegas and Phoenix (and other places) were loaded with flippers who crashed and burned with the market.

How many foreclosures have there been in EV in the last five years? I don't know, but I bet the number is shockingly low.

Finally, a 2-income family making 75K (plenty of those around), can easily afford a 200K house, especially with today's rockbottom interest rates.

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The Highline is such a great place full of the perfect balance of pedestrians. I live a block from the park and spent many summer evenings on the public lounge chairs reading a magazine while the sun sets. The park attracts a nice mix of tourists, but mostly locals. It's nice because you are forced to walk on the Highline, but there are plenty of resting places that don't block the flow. The plants are all low growing shrubs that are native.. so nothing feels out of place or forced. It's such an interesting place. I love this video that shows the park plan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o_5cbPDQoY

Skip the tourist traps.. and enjoy the Highline! I'm as relaxed there as I was hanging in Delaware Park. It's a great escape. :)

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3 minutes of photographs and no shot of Lady Liberty?

Go to the corner of 10th and 17th, where the beech(?) trees are planted, and look south down 10th ave., over the harbor and bay and you get a perfect shot of the Statue of Liberty.

Follow with dinner at Morimoto.

Repeat.

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Rubagreta = Naive

There is and has been plenty of "flipping" in the Elmwood Village including Allentown...I have personally seen several projects that have failed!

Although Vegas and Phoenix are different markets, our market is chalk full of 100 yr old homes that need to be completely renovated. In addition, the housing inspectors and fire inspectors are really catching on to generating additional money for the city. Fire inspector has been at my house three times this past month and still going...

Many of the properties in the Burroughs in NYC have also crashed...similar multi unit properties, densely populated, but just overbought.

Most properties in Elmwood Village are NOT woth more than 200k, but are selling for 300 and up!

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The High Line in New York City is one of my favorite places to swing by. Right now it can get a little crowded but the view is totally worth it. I highly recommend it if you find yourself in NYC. :3

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Gustad - The properties you are referring to in NYC were funded by subprime mortgages. 1,200-square-foot old single-family houses selling for $450,000 in lousy neighborhoods like Jamaica, Queens. EV is one of Buffalo's most sought after neighobrhood, and there were no subprime mortgages.

Nice try.

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"EV is one of Buffalo's most sought after neighobrhood, and THERE WERE NO SUBPRIME MORTGAGES."

prove that statement.

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Reggie, No call for "Gaustad1" to prove the nonsense he has posted in this discussion?

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he's clearly just trying to goad the pollyanna's of BRO into posting nonsense.

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Ruba...you are making a very broad generalization...I worked in the Burroughs for the last several years...almost all of the properties are multi-units in very nice areas, i.e. Brooklyn and queens are very nice and clean...even parts of the Bronx.

There was plenty of subprime and FHA lending lending in Buffalo, ie. high LTV borrowers and buyers with less than perfect credit.

I am not trying to argue with you...I am stating a fact...the Elmwood village, is NOT one of the top ten neighborhoods in the country. This ranking was based a small poll based on a very limited opinnion, but is far from the truth.

The properties in Buffalo have doubled or tripled in a a three year period, mainly because of the 8k tax credit. The economy in Buffalo is marginal at best.

There will be a correction. The city is catching on now and have inspectors all over the place, in the meantime taxes are going up! This is something that should be considered by all.


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it is true that very little of EV is sub prime.

THE EVIDENCE - sub prime lending evaporated 2-3 years ago, which is why the floor fell out from under other markets

elmwood village and allentown have continued upward price climbs despite lack of credit availability

WHAT ALL THIS MEANS - prime loans and/or cash buyers are backing allentown/elmwood/hertel purchases

also - when a loan is underwritten for a 2 or 3 unit property, the rental income CANNOT BE USED. therefore, the bank is saying - mr or mrs whoever, your income and the collateral alone support this transaction and the rent is gravy

Therefore, is wrong because prices are supported by the following:

1. ample income from the borrowers
2. continued steady climb in housing prices in not just buffalo but other upstate ny markets

the only thing that is overpriced in Buffalo is the minimum wage salary that is paid to Gaustad1 for his time

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Actually, as a person who underwrites mortgages, I can say you're only half right (at least when it comes to mortgages sold to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac). Rental income can not be used if the property is being purchased as an investment. However, if the buyer is going to occupy one of the units, market rents for each unit can be included in total income.

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Gaustad - I was in the subprime industry (honest). The amount of subprime lending in Buffalo (and all of upstate NY) was a pimple compared to what went on in other parts of the country.

And if subprime were a major factor in Buffalo, there would already have been fallout.

Unless HSBC pulls all its employees out of Buffalo, I do not see any signficant correction.

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Gaustad - I was in the subprime industry (honest).

Classy. Were you unable to to find work in a more respectable industry (child pornography, perhaps?)?

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Slobadan...you must be still upset over the "tent" comment...and I am well aware of the underwriting guidelines.

Ruba, thank you for partaking in a reasonable discussion. FHA is the new subprime...high LTV's, less than perfect credit, higher Debt/Income ratios. Very similar to subprime without the stated borrowers of course.

I agree, Buffalo is a pimple compared to NYC, however, the market here is frothy and our economy is very weak. In addition, lending standards are increasing every day.

Many borrowers were overbidding for properties in N. Buffalo just to get the 8k FTHB money. Many banks didn't approve appraisal values in N. Buffalo even after a purchase contract was executed.

My opinion is that we have peaked and there will be some kind of correction in the near future.

Buffalo has never seen a spike in prices like the last 3 years.

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On the High Line:

Great example of a piece of infrastructure and a neighborhood being adapted from "obsolete" to something great. I wonder if the "tear-it-down!" or "eyesore" crowd in NYC is disappointed in the end result of what was preserved? Again, good things almost always come out of preservation projects.

Although we don't have many (if any) intact examples of elevated railways here, the linear park concept on abandoned railroads can be accomplished relatively cheap on the numerous former rail networks. There is a trail running from Wherle near Harris Hill to Perry's Ice Cream and a new rail park running from Clifton Hill to Downtown NFO. Something like that would work well for the rail property north of Taunton or the DL&W line along the Buffalo River.

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Gustaud - let's agree that the 8K subsidy was dumb, just like cash for clunkers was dumb. The federal government should butt out of lots of things, and long term we will be better off.

Maybe we should get rid of the FHA. Or require 10% down.

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On the pending doom of the Elmwood Village:

Gaustad1, The crap you are posting appears to have more to do with bitterness, wishful thinking, and the need find things to cry about and less to do with reality.

The chance of a drastic "market correction" is very unlikely here or anywhere in WNY because, as others have pointed out, the values got to where they are slowly over time. Peoples houses may have "doubled" in value but that didnt happen overnight.

Gaustad1>" Salaries around here do not support the mortgage payments or the rents"

The people paying the rent and entering bidding wars for these houses would disagree with you.

Gaustad1>" FHA is the new subprime...high LTV's, less than perfect credit, higher Debt/Income ratios. Very similar to subprime without the stated borrowers of course."

Garbage. FHA mortgages like others are much harder to get than they were a few years ago. People with less than perfect credit and less than 20% down are going to have a hard time getting approved across the board. There is no more "sub-prime" and it likely is not coming back.

Gaustad1>" Many borrowers were overbidding for properties in N. Buffalo just to get the 8k FTHB money"

More garbage. Houses in N. Buffalo have been moving quickly before the tax credit and seem to be doing well since it expired.

For someone who claims to have a good handle on the housing market, you seem to be ignoring some long term changes in the industry. With tougher standards for purchasing homes you are going to have a lot of people leaving the single family house market and entering the apartment market. That is bad news for places that have successfully zoned out multi-family housing for decades. Neighborhoods like NB and EV with an abundance of multi-family houses and large singles that lend themselves well to apartment conversions, are going to do pretty well in the new housing market. Stable values, rental income, and the desirability of the neighborhood are going to make these neighborhoods in demand even as homeownership declines.

Im sure you have other reasons for not liking the EV. But dont go pulling stuff out of the air to make a silly, baseless argument that the place is heading for a decline.


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pit>"pending doom"

So Gaustad predicts "some kind of correction" of prices in EV and downtown, and some of you want to pretend he said "collapse" and "pending doom". You guys really love making straw man arguments.

pit>"Im sure you have other reasons for not liking the EV..."

Where did he say he doesn't like it?

Again, short of 100% acceptance of BR political correctness is then spun to be "not liking" something here. In fact he complimented it saying "Elmwood village has come a long way". But you want to say he doesn't like it because you don't like his reasoning for price prediction. As with any prediction, time will tell about it. Back when he was predicting exactly what eventually happened with Bashar Issa's Statler project, maybe some Bashar hero worshipers on BR were accusing Gaustad of not liking 90-year-old buildings.

Spin, spin, spin....

(About the Top 10 list of urban neighborhoods, it was an honor for EV to be named - keeping in mind it's a yearly list on which they don't repeat recipients. So in the 2000's, 100 neighborhoods were named to it - including EV, and last year the Walgreens neighborhood in Kenmore was named to the same list. One could say the list makers named EV one of the Top 10 U.S. urban neighborhoods of 2007, or one of the Top 100 since 2000, or one of the Top 200 since 1990, ....)

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"Gaustad" has a long history on this site of proclaiming that 90% of the people downtown are crackheads, among other absurd statements. So I'm not sure this is a straw man so much as a reasonable extrapolation from past hyperbole.

And incidentally, the APA named the entire Village of Kenmore to its top 10 list, and I highly doubt Walgreens played any part in earning that award! "Walgreens neighborhood"... too funny. :-)

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Whatever> " So Gaustad predicts "some kind of correction" of prices in EV and downtown, and some of you want to pretend he said "collapse" and "pending doom". You guys really love making straw man arguments."

See for yourself...

Gaustad>" Buffalo is still very ghetto."

" A few owners will walk away from their properties after their taxes are re-assesd and then everyone will realize that they grossly over paid..."

"a "correction" is in order...Buffalo it still too underdeveloped to command top dollar for its real estate...it will happen."

No whatever. Gaustad never typed the words "pending doom" or "collapse" but just because he didnt use those exact words, me using them to describe his blindly pessimistic assessment of the EV and the rest of the city doesnt mean I'm making a strawman argument. "Pending doom" and "collapse" were mild exaggerations and are along the same lines as what he said so there is no "straw man".

(pst.. a straw man argument is when you misrepresent another person's point of view ie: "I am against the war." reply "So you hate freedom." Paraphrasing or using different words to express the same idea is not a straw man argument. I thought you should know the meaning of the term before accusing more people of making them)

Whatever>" But you want to say he doesn't like it because you don't like his reasoning for price prediction."

I dont like his "reasoning" because is based on stuff he made up.

" 350k for a home in the Elm village is about 13k/year in taxes.." Not true unless the EV has their own tax rate much higher than the rest of town.

" Do you really think city hall isn't going to to gouache homeowners?" What the f#$@ is a gouache?

"The additional debt burden coupled with the cost to maintenance a home from 1905 through a Buffalo winter will make it difficult to keep the prices where they are" Actually the fact that the houses are so old is one of the reasons why they are in demand.

"Most properties in Elmwood Village are NOT woth more than 200k, but are selling for 300 and up!" What happened to the "market"? If people are willing to pay over 300k that means they are worth over 300k.

"FHA is the new subprime...high LTV's, less than perfect credit, higher Debt/Income ratios. Very similar to subprime without the stated borrowers of course." C'mon! both of you know that is a load of crap.

Interesting that when somebody posts something that is a stretch but has a positive slant on the city( or at least the parts of the city that vote for the Hoyt-Kearns-Satan faction) you do a full blown wiki linked critique. When somebody blows hot air in the name of bashing these places you join the sob fest.

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A gouache is a method of painting with opaque water colors prepared with gum. What this has to do with the High Line totally escapes me......but, hey...........whatever !!

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Whatever> "Back when he was predicting exactly what eventually happened with Bashar Issa's Statler project"

Yes I am sure Gaustad-Buffalo Obesity knew all about Issa's legal and financial trouble abroad (mind you that was before Issa, or anybody else knew about them). Im sure he also knew Issa expected skilled electricians, steelworkers, and other labor required for the two large projects to work for $4/ hr( again before anybody else). Ill bet Gaustad's crystal ball also predicted the global recession and credit crisis killing both the tower and the statler rehab.

Or maybe he saw an ambitious plan that ran counter to the "I hate Buffalo drama" and cried "it wont happen" and by coincidence, happened to be right.

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iluvpitbulls, lets make something perfectly clear right from the beginning. The Statler is a good development project that is only going to get better once the Federal Courthouse opens and starts attracting business into its neighbor.

People believed in the Statler and in Buffalo, not necessarily in Issah Bashar.

This entire post on NYC highline should be offensive. Here we have rubber stamp elected representatives like Stachowski in the NYS Senate and NYS Assembly getting re-elected in roughly 30 days. They write law after law for downstate interests, downstate lobbies, downstate unions, downstate cost structures and then treat upstate like an after thought that they will fix 10-20 years after they have proved it wont work for upstate.

And here BuffaloRising is raising a champagne toast to celebrate downstate so voters will have warm kind feelings to re-elect our rubber stamp idiots.

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'This entire post on NYC highline should be offensive.'

I agree. How can WCP continue to write articles that he knows you will not comprehend yet will still induce you to write totally unrelated gibberish? A simple article about the High Line is construed by you to be something about downstate interests. We all know you get confused on BRO and the least WCP could do is dumb down his elitist 8th grade reading level articles with subliminal messages. I've got your back, ChristieLou. You're a true patriot.

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May I ask PaulBuffalo, is your NYC/LA bias is so full of cr*p one has to wonder if the smell is equally pungent.

With all the issues facing Buffalo and I could add a few more:
-Census statistics show Buffalo dropped over 7% in the last decade putting Buffalo in the top 10 fastest shrinking cities.
-Central Terminal is endangered yet NYSDOT is spending nearly $800,000 on the Depew train station.

These are huge issues and completely ignored by BuffaloRising. Yet with elections roughly 30 days away BuffaloRising does a puff piece on downstate...when its common knowledge that downstate lobbies and downstate political party hacks pretty much use upstate for rubber stamps for the downstate laws they write.

Oh how easy it is for you to sit back in NYC/LA and tell Buffalonians your liberal viewpoints. Let me say this nicely. On the other hand...I will leave it at that...its Rosh Hoshanna...Happy New Year.

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ChristieLou, I'm so sorry. I didn't connect all the dots. I get it now: WCP and, by extension, BRO, is under the control of downstate interests in order to shift local election patterns thereby allowing the aforementioned downstate interests to take greater control of western New York and siphon it dry. You're a genius. Now, how does the Bilderberg Group tie in to BRO's master plan?

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Dear BuffaloRising readers, PaulBuffalo keeps directing all his focus in every response toward me. Even in his latest post he is using sarcasm and twisting the intent.

I invite everyone to tell this liberal downstate NYC/ and liberal Los Angeles the meaning of BuffaloRising is to make BUFFALO RISE like a PHEONIX.

Yes albany holds back Buffalo, WNY Upstate because it is overly burocratic and its laws are written by downstate leadership (governor, senate and assembly), downstate majority, downstate lobbies.

How can he claim patriotist or loyalty if he doesnt understand out local issues but sees our issues through the lense of NYC and LA? No wait, because his only contribution is cyber stalking me and my posts.

Positive press may or may not swing elections or votes but downstate doesnt need the positive press. BuffaloRising is about raising civic awareness and commitment so that we can focus priorities, right wrongs and build a better more vibrant city...not highlight downstate and their hegemony upon us.

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"iluvpitbulls" -- you really seem to have a lot of time of your hands. Is it really necessary to copy and past my words and respond to the things I say. Why so argumentative? Are you a lesbian with a German shepherd in the elmwood village driving a Subaru hatchback too!! Yea you are!

"Whatever" - thank you for having some rationale and sanity. It is good to be remembered!

I have no crystal ball and wasn't trying to make predictions...believe it or not people it was based on fundamental economics and common sense...similar to the fact that Obama sucks as a president, but I wont get into that right now.

Yes, I did predict quite adamantly:

1.) THERE WOULD BE NO BASS PRO, EVER!

2.) THE WOULD BE NO CITY TOWER, BASHAR HIGH RISE

3.) THERE WOULD BE NO STATLER

4.) NO HIGH SPEED TRAIN

5.) NO TIFT STREET CONNECTOR

6.) NO EXTENSION TO OUR LIGHT RAIL

7.) NO TRAFFIC ON MAIN ST

8.) NO CASINO

NEED I GO ON!

It doesn't make me a negative person to see that someone is wasting my time while all of you are dreamers...perhaps, most people on this site need a reality check...wishing and hoping that Buffalo will improve is not what is going to create change!

"Iluvpittbulls" -- if you are such a genius, tell me why FHA just raised their upfront premium to from 1.75% to 2.25% before theY even get to MIP (Mortgage Insurance Premium). DO YOU KNOW WHAT UPFRONT PREMIUM IS?

Maybe its because FHA is losing A ton of money through defaults and needs to cover their ass....FHA is a very risky loan!

Once again, common sense and simple economics....a sharp run up in prices during the worst recession in 80 yrs is not sustainable. The 8k tax credit artificially drove up prices and pulled demand forward; Taxes WILL be reassessed, and old homes are expensive to maintenance and heat coupled with fire and building inspectors crawling up everyone's ass to generate more money.

How could you possibly disagree with the fact that there is going to be some kind of correction in Buffalo!? Its already here!

why do you take my words so personal, as if I am personally offending you?

THINK! You are not doing your homework...ask yourself, there are properties, condos, multi's, and SFR that have been sitting on the market here forever. NOTHING IS MOVING. Waterfront condos have tanked....where have you been?

Elmwood Village is a joke....and there ARE CRACK HEADS still looting the streets...cars being broken into, murders "400 apartments."

Where do you live? In the tent behind wilson farms with Slobadan...come on! Get informed

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Lol! You respond with petty name calling and JQ Buffalo style all caps screaming and I'm the one who's "argumentative"?

In spite of your like minded buddy "whatever's" best attempt to get your back, that whining post backs up what I was saying about your "predictions" being based on your own personal bitterness and have nothing to do with "common sense and economics". As most of the people in the EV already know their property values are going to be just fine for a long time. To tear soaked blog comment will change that.

I don't blame you though for coming to this site to cry your eyes out. It is a lot cheaper than professional help.

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Lets not get too bent out of shape by Gaustad's doom and gloom rants. As others have pointed out he has a long history of attacking Liberals, hippies on Elmwood, The Elmwood Village, Allentown, Downtown, the waterfront, and anything city or non-conformist.
He is most likely a far right angry white man with an axe to grind. Doesn't seem to care for minorities, gays, women, or the downtrodden. He must feel threatened by the positive changes in Buffalo and our overall society that challenge his tea party/ Ayn Rand/ conservative ideology.

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I am learning more about how you see the US as liberals vs. everyone else. You might benefit from understanding the differences between Conservatives, Republicans, Democrats, and Tea Party members. You might also benefit from learning what Ayn Rand wrote about instead of listening to the typical far left hype.

Ayn Rand would not qualify as a conservative, she was against war, was an atheist, was against big government and against government's intrusion into our lives. She was a believer in reason being the primary motivational force in men, conservatives and others believe in obedience or servitude to a higher power (be that religion, government, pity, etc). She spoke out against legislating morality, she was appalled by talks of abortion and the sexual / personal restrictions that our government imposes on us.

Think before you type, there are vast differences between the groups that you are lumping together. This is no difference between your ignorance and the ignorance of those who claim that democrats are close to marxists. Big differences.

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I am repeating a bit here but, I read Ayn Rand in the 70's, probably before you were born. Luckily I rejected that nonsense because I was enlightened by the experience of real life.

Ayn Rand was a bigoted, homophobic, pill popping, chain smoking egotist that rejected humanity and community. Her "study" of philosophy was seen as cursory at best.

The tea party and other conservatives through revisionist
history have reinvented Ayn as an inspiration for their agenda of covert racism, classism, and general intolerance.

I am a grandfather and I am still raising children after 32 years. I would not want them to live in Ayn Rand's selfish and cold vision for America.

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I am not even sure where to begin with a response, but here goes. First, there is a huge difference between the tenets and beliefs of the Libertarian movement and those of Conservatives. The Tea Party may have started out in the shadow of Libertarianism, but it was hijacked by conservatives and other disgruntled Americans who no longer identify with the Republican or Democrat agendas. These people tend to pull a few citations from Atlas Shrugged, but few have ever read that book or others from her vast library. I am glad you categorically reject the "nonsense" that you don't agree with, or that doesn't fit into your narrow view of the world. I tend to read books and papers from a variety of perspectives with the goal of coming up with my own thoughts and ideas on the issue. If I don't agree with it, then I tend to challenge it instead of pushing it away and turning up my nose in disgust and disdain.

I don't really care if she was a bigot, homophobic, smoker, or pill popper. What does this have to do with anything? Martin Luther King Jr was a chain smoker and preached a few times about the immorality of homosexuality. Does that mean we should ignore his writings and preachings as well? Take it in context and grow up a little. Are you teaching this intolerance to your grandchildren? Don't agree with anyone who has any vices, disregard anything that you don't agree with, see things from only one perspective that you feel is right and stick with it for life.

I would hope that you would teach your grandchildren about diversity of thoughts and perspectives. This should include a full scope of thoughts and ideas, not just those of a select few who fall within your narrow scope of "deserving your pity" or who fit within your idealistic view of the world.

If you don't like an author, then I encourage you to read more until you can understand the author's perspective and background. This goes beyond Ayn Rand, for example I think that everyone who is protesting against Mosques and Islam, should read a copy of the Qur'an.

I truly think that the majority of Tea Partyists should read Thomas Paine to understand what Common Sense and the Age of Reason were really about.

Those opposing Gay Marriage and Gay Rights should read Richard Mohr and Rosalyne Bloomenstein to gain a better understanding of what they are fighting against.

Knowledge is power, enlighten yourself to free yourself from the limits of your own perception.

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I was a member of the Libertarian Party as a young man and I am well aware of the nuances between the different conservative ideologies. There was a time when conservative thinkers added constructively to the debate, that time has passed. Today the conservative movement is dominated by racist, greedy, hateful people that are an embarrassment to our country and the ideals it was founded on. I will not give respect where none is due or pretend they are somehow a legitimate voice.

My children were raised with tolerance and respect for all and they are well educated, well rounded, and most importantly decent people. They are liberal, they reject materialism, and embrace community and altruism. Let me know how you make out when you raise a family.

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Blacrocklifer -- you again...weren't you the genius that claimed that there was going to be a waterfront park built in blackrock with a pier going out into Lake Erie, with beautiful trails to bike, walk, and roller blade. As a consequence, Blackrock was suppose to flourish again like it was 1940 and the homes were going to triple in value...wasn't that you!??

Tell me...what had happened in Blackrock? NOTHING!

you can criticize me all you want. I want change. Living in this town is like ground hogs day... all you people do is spew that same crap year after year...comedy

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No, sorry Gaustad, I never posted about a "waterfront park" but there is a project in the works. You must have me confused with another Black Rock advocate, there are many of us working to improve our neighborhood. Lots of good things happening here in Black Rock, new investment along Amherst St and a soon to be released Historic Resources Survey.

By the way- Black Rock is on the Niagara River, not Lake Erie, I would think a real estate "expert" would know that.

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Fill. Thanks for running spell check. Do you work
for Nasa??

Comical. I make a few simple pts over
values in the EV being over inflated and
I receive responses about Marxism, far left, right
whatever. Property just sold on Ashland ave
for 145k private sale. What does that do to the
rest of the street??

How many condos sold on the waterfront on the
last 4 months during the summer?!!

I know the answer. Do you??!

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Krusty are you trying to gouache me?

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I'm trying to guazzo you into a corner.

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Blockrocklifer - you will have to forgive me; I don't spend much time in Blackrock, and unfortunately, I don't ever see it making a comeback.

Perhaps you should put down "Ayn Rand," it seems to be disturbing you.

Ilovepitbulls...you sound like every other frustrated gay hippi on this site...why don't you try to switch it up and take more of a heterosexual tone; people might take you more serious.

No one has my back on here...there are, in fact, some independent thinkers that recognize you are a flaming, radical, liberal, unable to see past a certain point.

Admit it, you voted for Obama and believe we should give money to minority farmers. GO AHEAD!

Yentl, I have expressed an independent view of the inflated home values in and around the Elmwood Village. I have presented facts. And have asked you direct questions regarding FHA financing and recent comparables that you chose to ignore.

It is only one "man's" opinion...you don't have to agree with it...but based on recent macro-economic trends I would say we are heading for some kind of correction.

OBBBBAAAMMMAAAA, YES WE CAN!! LET MAKE THAT CHANGE!!

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What does Yentl mean?

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Hey everyone, The corner of Kenmore and Delaware was just named to the countries "top ten" best neighborhoods by a no name poll.

Lets quadruple the price of homes in Kenmore too! Afterall, if people are willing to pay 350k for a home in Kenmore, then it most certainly must be worth it!

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Gaustad- "I don't "spend much time in Black Rock" we know, good thing for all of us, and it speaks volumes to your "predictions" of our future.

I have a millionaire cousin with a private jet, he idolizes Ayn Rand and attacks President Obama. His 95 year old mother (my aunt) lives in subsidized housing, he doesn't see a conflict.

You must have a short memory, it was 8 years of Republican policies that almost destroyed America. Do you believe you could turn a business around in 18 months let alone the largest economy in the world? Obama took over on the deck of the Titanic, we have done pretty well considering.

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oh, here we go with the politics...you don't know me from Adam. Don't misconstrue my sarcasm as anything more than entertainment...for myself; and thank you.

Having said that, I am not republican and not a George Bush supporter...the man was a moron.

One thing I do know is that Obama has had over 2 years and has spent close to one trillion dollars in stimulus, we have nothing to show for it; the US still have close to a 10% unemployment rate including decimated 401k and stock portfolios. His approval rating stands at 41% and his very own constituents have run for hiding before the election Nov 1.

He is a radical, liberal, muslim...the American people are not satisfied with his policies. You were duped by Obama just as you were duped by Bass Pro.

Not quite sure where you are going with the cousin/aunt thing, but as a well traveled, highly educated person, I can tell you that you can hope for progress, but in Buffalo, there is no job creation and therefore, no opportunity. This is welfare state. No reward for hard work.

Perhaps you should look a little deeper into the things I write...

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Well, we agree on Bush. Obama has been in office 20 months, not 2 years, there is a difference. How long do you think it takes to bring an economy back from collaspe? Reagan had an approval rating of 42% in 1982 with unemployment at 10.8%. Clinton had an approval rating of 46% in 1994. How is Obama any different?

As for Obama being a "radical, liberal, muslim" maybe liberal, certainly not radical, and only an idiot (or the tea party) would believe he is a muslim.

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All of you hippies are clueless. Gaustad is the only one who knows the reality of what's going on in this city. City and State Govt, highest taxes in country and the same liberal career politicians continue to ruin this economy here and country wide. Pelosi Reid Obama army will be removed this November, well 2 of the 3 at least and we can get back to a growth economy. You all say the last decade sunk us but I remember my house and stick market portfolio being worth double what it is now. NEWT FOR PRESIDENT 2012 or even Hillary would do! Anything but a Jr Senator community organizer who supports ACORN

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This has to be one person using multiple SNs. I'm not even going to comment on how flagrantly uninformed the "decimated 401k and stock portfolios" comment is. Or how embarassingly racist the muslim and african american comments are.

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Negative Jag. Off. I'm one of the 3 republicans on this site

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The fact is Muslims do not have the same beliefs as other religions. You can't beat an enemy who has nothing to lose

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wtf does that even mean? And what does that have to do with anything that's been said? I'm mostly just curious - don't mean to sound agressive, if I come across that way. Unless this is linked to Gaustad's racist comments, in which case, duh, you're going to hell.

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Jag, your president studied the Koran and supports a Mosque being built at Ground Zero -- SHAME ON YOU! Are you a terrorist?

Obama creates uncertainty in the markets...which exacerbates our economic problems.

He has single-handedly destroyed the Dem's chances for re-election on Nov 1...and as a consequence, both reform bills will be abolished or drastically altered.

The true unemployment rate is this country is around 16% -- no more using Bush as a scape goat...Obama's policies are geared toward poor welfare recipients on Elmwood Ave. They do no create jobs!

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Nice, Gaustad. You outdo yourself with every post.

Yes, I suppose I'm a terrorist since I was a poli sci major and studied the middle east in depth and have read plenty of the Qur'an. I agree, our president having knowledge of a religion that over a billion people follow is terrible. Muslims are evil and President Obama is a Muslim and your prideful ignorance means you're really smart.

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Jag = Al qaeda

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Sure is sad what most 21st century Republicans have devolved into. Oh well. Sorry for bothering to engage you in the first place. NYC High Line looks pretty cool.

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Jag, Obama didn't just study the Koran...he was a practicing Muslim for many years, he believes in the Muslim predictions; hence his advocacy for building a Mosque at ground zero!!

How do you condone this?

This has nothing to do with a political party orientation.

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Obama was never a Muslim, never practiced the religon, where did you here that? Was it the birthers or Carl Paladino? Please provide proof if you are going to repeat such nonsense.

There is no plan for a mosque at "ground zero", the project is blocks away. The "ground zero" crap is just a distortion of fact meant to stir up right wing hatred and voters and has everything to do with "party orientation".

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Typical liberal response...if your family was in WTC you'd have a different view...but since you have never left the confines of Buffalo, you wouldnt know that now would you?

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Sorry Assaroni, I travel on a regular basis and sad to say there are fools like you all over this great country.

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Not true, Muslims build Mosques on conquered soil after a war i.e., Ground Zero...blocks away..? Its almost across the street...did you know any of this...

You are "unamerican" and so is Jag - get a clue

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"Almost across the street"? is that the best you got, pathetic.
"Unamerican" wow, that's clever, you could work for Fox News.

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Fox News would be an honor, considering it is more widely watched than MSNBC and CNN combined

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BTW, I am still waiting for your "proof" that Obama is a Muslim.

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Goose, your profile image says it all. I try not to care about political parties but it seems Republicans cling to the Reagan era like a guy with a comb-over clings to what he once had.

Yours and Assaroni's comments are just like the whole reason we got into Iraq in the first place: fear. It's easier to push your agenda when you create a faux-fear. Building that mosque, blocks away from Ground Zero, does nothing to infringe on your freedoms. Freedoms I suspect you have done nothing to actually earn.

And, assaroni, I agree with BRL and I have left the confines of Buffalo to fight in a war started by a man I suspect you supported.

How did any of this get started on an article about the High Line?

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Good comments, my dad is a decorated WWII vet, landed at Normandy, was in the Battle of the Bulge, earned a silver star and bronze star. He never glorified the war or bragged. He was anti war and pro American, your take seems similar. These guys haven't got a clue what patriotism is all about.

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Mr World Traveler, rolling in the dough...must explain why you live in Crack Rcok

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That is your "proof", a photoshopped picture on a gossip website? Come on you must be smarter than that, well maybe not.

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Assaroni, My family has lived in Black Rock for 7 generations, I have the resources to live wherever I choose. It's about pride and committment, I know, you don't understand.

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How has he not called you al queda yet?! I'm so insulted that I'm the only terrorist on the board! Don't even bother talking to him, he's drunk so much koolaid in his life there's nothing that can be done for him.

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that's just sad

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